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  • Paperback: 272 pages
  • Publisher: Hachette Books; Reprint edition (March 29 2011)
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"Clear some space on your bookshelf for Mitch Albom's, Have a Little Faith, the story of a faith journey that could become a classic. Those who were born into faith, have lost faith, or are still searching will all be engaged and challenged by this powerful story of "finding faith" in relationships with others and with something greater than ourselves. Never satisfied with easy answers or soft platitudes, Mitch explores some of life's greatest mysteries and unanswered questions with great honesty, depth and self reflection." (Jim Wallis, CEO and Founder of Sojourners and author of The Great Awakening) --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

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Mitch Albom is an author, playwright, and screenwriter who has written seven books, including the international bestseller Tuesdays with Morrie, the bestselling memoir of all time. His first novel, The Five People You Meet in Heaven, was an instant number-one New York Times bestseller that has since sold more than six million copies worldwide. For One More Day, his second novel, was also a #1 New York Times bestseller. Both books were made into acclaimed TV films. Mitch also works as a columnist and a broadcaster, and serves on numerous charitable boards. He lives with his wife, Janine, in Michigan.

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22 of 22 people found the following review helpful By VC on Dec 4 2009
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Mitch Albom does it again!!! I've read all of Mitch's books and have garnered insight into my own faith as well as others. Mitch has shown that every human being has a story, many of which relate to faith, be it what it is. This book is a reflection of not only faith but trust, in our one God. It reinforces our belief that at the end of the day, if we surrender to God's will, all will be okay. In our daily lives, there are challenges to each and every one of us..this is the story of only two such people, whose lives will enrich yours, and allow you to believe, and trust, in our one God. If you are on 'a faith sabbitical' this book will lead you back...as it did Mitch. Having experience the loss of my husband quite suddenly in his 40's a year ago, I questioned my faith. I don't anymore.I find the blessings that he's left me....much the same as Mitch has found at the end of this book. Thanks for sharing the stories of these remarkable people Mitch. This book is a true blessing.
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8 of 8 people found the following review helpful By Mrs. Q: Book Addict on March 3 2010
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Title: Have A Little Faith
Author: Mitch Albom
Publisher: Hyperion
Pages: 249
Source: Personal Copy

'Have a Little Faith' was a heart-warming read. Mitch Albom writes an incredible story of an aging Rabi, and an African American pastor man who was addicted to drugs but managed to turn his life around. In the middle we have Mitch himself, learning, observing and growing. The book beginning with one question 'Will you do my Eulogy?' Mitch is concerned, confused and a little turned off from that morbid question. He believes that he is not the right man for the job, and why would his Rabi decide to ask him? Mitch does not decide right away to plan his eulogy, he agrees to meet with his Rabi for a few weeks and get to know him on a personal level. A few weeks, turned into a few years. Does he write the eulogy? Yes. Does this book turn out to be more about the Eulogy? Yes. Mitch recounts his own struggles with religion. He profiles his Rabi, and a convict turned pastor. Each has their own story and their own inspirational tales. One thing is clear in this story, it does not matter which religion you come from. Each should respect and love one another. One quote I loved was 'May your god, and our god bless you.'

I agree, I think there is comfort in religion. I felt that this book helped me with my own faith. Religions all have one thing in common: faith. Hope is what we need when our world is confusing. Faith supports and sustains many of us. While reading this book I was mesmerized. I couldn't put it down. I highly recommend this one, especially for someone who is struggling with their faith.

Here are some wonderful quotes from the book.

' It is far more comforting to think God listened and said No, than to think that nobody's out there.' P.
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1 of 1 people found the following review helpful By PoCo on April 21 2010
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I generally like Mitch Albom's books so I wanted to give this a read. As a lot of books do, given the time constraints of reality, this one languished on my To-Read list. I ended up finding a copy on a somewhat lazy weekend recently and ended up finishing it within 24 hours and am really glad to have done so.

The story captivated me. While I was expecting to look for some sort of message in the book, I ended up enjoying it for the simple pleasure of "hearing" a story. I liked the way the author revealed little bits about his chief protagonists here and there. I usually don't really like that type of storytelling but it really worked well for me here. I found myself engaged and curious about what was going to happen next.

I liked the fact that the author really seemed to put himself out there and recognize his own human quirks and biases. This didn't feel like Mr. Albom preaching to us readers but rather a glimpse into part of his life wherein he seems to have learned a little about himself and the people around him. I guess that's why I ended the story so much; I identify fairly well with the author. I also liked the fact that unlike some mysteries or dramas I didn't find myself guessing at what happened next; I really just enjoyed finding out in due time.

And yes I did get a simple message from the book. Essentially it was that good people do exist regardless of faith and that prejudgements are tough to overcome. But the message, in my opinion, was less important than the simple journey.
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I purchased "Have a Little Faith" by Mitch Albom, after receiving a recommendation to read this book.This was such an uplifting novel that I couldn't put down.Such an emotional rollercoaster.I felt so good after reading this novel."Have a little Faith" is a true story nonfiction book that can open your eyes and heart, and allow you to realize how precious life is.It is about believing in something and the two men who taught him how.

The novel centers around three people: Mitch, a Jewish man who inter married who no longer had time for religion, and Albert (Reb), a Jewish rabbi, and Henry, a pastor of "I am my Brother's Keeper Ministry", an intercity church. The Reb was Mitch's rabbi growing up. Both men play a very important part in Mitch's life.

Albert in the spring of 2000 was eighty two and had made a strange request of Mitch. "Will you do my eulogy?." Mitch had agreed to honor his request but wanted to get to know him better. And there starts the journey...

I am very proud to have had the honor of reading this book. Everybody should read this book...and they will never be the same.
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Hacker School is a combination of science fiction and biting social commentary, which is unsurprising given its dedication to Julian Assange of Wikileaks. Like most Sci-Fi, this story explores a couple of interesting "what if" questions: What if the sharing of innovations continues to be controlled by a small group of people? What if all our digital information becomes lost and we have no books as back-ups? What if the only way to preserve our way of life is through allowing the open exchange of information, with no secrets held back?

Unfortunately, the story line and potential to explore an interesting possible future get left behind in the author's obvious desire to get his point across: all secrets are bad. This is delivered in the form of dialogue between characters who all agree with each other, leaving little room for character or plot development, and certainly never exploring a differing point of view.

His points are interesting and thought-provoking, but could have been even better if written either in an outright treatise or hidden artfully in excellent science fiction. Unfortunately, the book was neither.

Having said that, it was a quick read, and I don't really regret the time I spent on it. I guess I'd just like to see the author develop his talent into something great.
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The story is interesting, the plot however is very bland. It is not very well written and there is no contradiction within the characters. The dialogue is confusing at times, and my concentration strays. Overall, it's a fair book, can do with or without it.
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Set in the future, Hacker School is a place for young hackers to access information that has been withheld from the people for a long time. These hackers must be smart, but also able to survive in a lawless society.
While somewhat lacking in character development, I am hoping that the next books in the series fill in the gaps. I definitely want to continue reading on.
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Note: when I downloaded this, it was only a short story. When I went back to the page to review it, I saw that it had been expanded to include a "trilogy," but I didn't really enjoy it enough to download and read the rest of it.

The idea of a post-apocalyptic future where a group of young people come together to hack into pre-collapse information may have potential, but the story was hamstrung by the author's unyielding desire to hammer his audience with a ideological point of view. Can an ideological novel be successful? Definitely. Can an ideological novel be successful if the author sacrifices components of basic storytelling to serve his ideology? Unlikely.

Char, the main character, is an eleven-year-old who never acts like an eleven-year-old. She's always the smartest person in the room - and not just the smartest, but also the best at fighting. A grown man trained in fighting tells her that he's confident that she could beat him - why, I'm just not sure. Because she fought other kids? When she finally gets to the hacking school, they - knowing very little about her - let her know that they're basically building the entire school around her. She says she doesn't trust anybody, but she's willing to lap up all the pseudo-profound insights the main school admin gives her about information and the nature of freedom. When she wants to talk about something, they suspend school for three days to give her a chance to lecture everybody and then they tell she's graduated. I really don't understand why the author didn't make her character older - maybe it becomes clear in later stories.

It's a farrago of sophomoric "insights" about the free flow of information and wish fulfillment. Whenever you run into a character who is the best at everything ever, you have to wonder - who does this character represent for the author? She's certainly not like any real person you could ever run across. Every couple of pages you're getting a stream of clunky exposition and political theory mixed with blandly unrealistic characters.
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I bought this because it was free on the Kindle, but after reading it started recommending it to people all around me. It is not that well written, but what was really riveting for me was that based on my insider knowledge of the information professions and the decisions being made by current leaders in those professions, the future predicted in this short book is very similar to the worries and concerns about the future of information access that nag at me daily. The story's premise is very realistic and plausible, and that is what makes this an important read. If you read this book, consider also reading the excellent nonfiction work Transparent Society by the rich thinker and contrarian, David Brin.The Transparent Society: Will Technology Force Us To Choose Between Privacy And Freedom?
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KANSAS CITY, Mo., Aug. 17, 2010 -- On Monday morning, Aug. 16, some 14 non-violent peace activists - mostly nuns, priests and other clergy - were arrested for blocking a Caterpillar truck on the site of a proposed WMD Facility in Kansas City, Mo.

The demonstration Monday came the same day as North Korea said it will deliver a "merciless counterblow" it described as "the severest punishment anyone has ever met in the world" against U.S.-South Korean military exercises which began the same day in the South China Sea. On that day, too, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton told Israel it has just three days left to destroy Iranian facilities (see story link on AR's homepage) that the United says are developing nuclear bombs.

There about 17,000 nuclear weapons on Earth in Europe, Asia and America, official sources say, in China, Russia, India, Pakistan, North Korea, France and Great Britain, as well as the United States and Israel, which has not acknowledged having weapons at its Dimona production facility. Israel is believed to have at least 162 nukes, according to a Top Secret report inadvertently released by U.S. Sen. John Glenn's office to the Los Angeles-based Committee to Stop Japanese Re-Armament in 1992.

The activists in Kansas City have targeted U.S. weapons production, but the world has already become a nuclear tinderbox where rogue and erratic leaders may choose faith or ideology over their own existence to advance their beliefs through cataclysmic destruction. As police approached the activists, former Catholic priest, Frank Cordaro of the Phil Berrigan Catholic Worker House in Des Moines, Ia, declared "It's an honor to be here and get busted! We risk arrest to awaken people from a kind of psychic numbing about the plant. We stand for an alternative to the war economy; we try to temper the U.S. death wish as an empire.

"Catholic Workers see people hungry; we feed them," he continued. "We see violence perpetrated by governments; we resist. It's just that Simple," Cordaro said.

It is not an accident that nine of the 14 arrested come from Midwest Catholic Worker communities. The Catholic Worker movement is a radical lay movement of Catholic peace activists, best known for houses of hospitality where they do the traditional "Works of Mercy." That means feeding the hungry, clothing and sheltering the homeless and providing water whenever needed.

"We live and work daily with the poor who suffer directly from the misuse of our national resources, directed towards making nuclear bombs, keeping the rich rich and the poor poor," Cordaro said. "We know firsthand that even if these god-awful bombs are never used, they kill the poor daily by denying them the resources needed to meet their most basic needs."

While choruses of "We shall not be moved" rose up and sunflower seeds were scattered, people of all ages and shades of diversity gathered to protest continued production of U.S. nuclear weapons, to demand a clean-up of the old Kansas City facility - and also exposed another collaboration of corporations and politicians who collude while the taxpayer pays for it all.

Over 100 people had gathered last Friday night for the Kansas City premier of "Countdown to Zero," a film released July 10 that decries nuclear weapons and warns of impending disaster at their hands (see a trailer on AR's homepage). Monday morning's action topped off a weekend conference that drew peace activists from around the nation.

The activists called the new facility a "crime against peace" and "crime against humanity."

The Kansas City plant will be America's first new nuclear weapons production facility in 32 years. The United States is also building new sites at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, which produces uranium components for WMDs, and Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, home to pits for processed plutonium waste.

The current Kansas City facility produces 85 percent of the non-nuclear components for the U.S. nuclear arsenal. The current plant and the future plant are also a direct threat to the environment, health and personal security of every resident of and visitor to Kansas City; the new plant is also the recipient of illegal funding by the city government.

The money trail begins and also ends with Zimmer Real Estate Services, a Kansas City mogul that has pocketed $5 million for 165 acres of "blighted land" sold to the city. Zimmer is also half of CenterPoint Zimmer/CPZ, which will receive all the money to build the plant. After a 20 year lease-to-purchase from the city, the company will take back possession for a fee of $10.

The Chicago-based senior partner of CPZ, CenterPoint will get paid for designing, building, and sub-leasing the facility, and in 20 years can end up co-owning a Federal Nuclear Weapons Facility paid for by taxpayers. A Baltimore-based underwriter will collect a percentage for arranging the $687-million financing deal.

Fourteen private bondholders will reap a government guarantee that their $687 million 2010 investment will yield a minimum of $1.2 billion in rent, representing a solid 5 percent annual return.

The family who founded and owns HR Dunn Construction, which has have already built over 30 prisons, will now be in charge of a new cloverleaf and other infrastructure improvements at the corner of Botts road and MO Sate Highway 150; that's adjacent to a residential neighborhood where children play. Earlier, neighbors there organized to stop plans to build a prison on nearby agricultural land.

The federal General Services Administration acts as the pass-through agency that attempts to curtain the money that funds the nuclear weapons. The government's real estate agency will get more bureaucrats, and the Department of Energy's semi-autonomous National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) gets a new facility built outside of normal Congressional scrutiny and amid a web of "alternative and private financing" apart from the authorized nuclear weapons budget.

Kansas City politicians are expecting to get re-elected for saving 2,100 jobs (the old plant employed 2,400) but their short-sightedness robs residents of much-needed and as yet unallocated funds to clean up the old plant, which has has been contaminated by over 700 chemicals and unknown numbers of new and unimagined combinations of them.

Barbara Rice, who ran the on-site day care center at the current nuclear weapons facility for 30 years, said she "lost count of how many of her colleagues had died of cancer after 110 passed away from various kinds of the illnesses.

While Rice said she couldn't prove that the deaths were related to chemical exposure at the current facility, Rice remembered one instance when a pipe burst at the plant and her supervisors told her to "go home immediately and destroy her clothes."

The old Kansas City complex houses offices for the Marine Corps Finance division, the U.S. Dairy Assn., and the NNSA. The NNSA is under the Dept. of Energy, not the Defense Department. The Defense Dept.'s annual budget of $705 billion, does not include upkeep and refurbishing of America's 5,113 nuclear weapons, nor pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which are paid for by taxpayers as "special appropriations."

The fire of resistance against nuclear weapons has been smoldering for three decades. It was last ignited when 36 nonviolent activists were arrested moments after the group's reading of the "Declaration of Independence from Nuclear Weapons" at Oak Ridge, Tenn. on July 5, 2010. A new reading of that document is available on YouTube.

Eileen Fleming is founder of We Are Wide Awake. Fleming has campaigned extensively for the release of Mordechai Vanunu, an Israeli scientist jailed for revealing facts about its nuclear arsenal.

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By Maj. James M. Durant III

A close friend and private practice lawyer once asked me why I chose government service. As an American of African decent and a lawyer with the U.S. Air Force Judge Advocate General (JAG) Department, I answered that my "firm" is committed by statute to equal opportunity and reducing discrimination in the workplace. My friend, also an American of African decent, pointed out that his salary is twice that of mine. True, I said, but money doesn't equal happiness, and noted the number of holidays, weekends, passes, work hours, and general leave I receive annually. Three law firm changes and one divorce later, my friend entered government service. Now, on federal holidays and weekends, he phones regularly to see if we can go to the movies, fishing, or dinner. He's married, has a child, feels content, and expects to finish his career in government service.

Being the minority is not comfortable. Most of my associates do not want to be regarded as the firm's "black lawyer," "Hispanic lawyer," or "ethnic guy." These labels detract from a person's professionalism and make one feel as if he or she belongs to a special class of lawyer. Don't get me wrong, I cherish my ancestry, but in today's America, placing lawyers in an racial or ethnic group often means we are seen as something less than a "regular" lawyer. Unfortunately, Hollywood has created cultural and behavioral stereotypes about Americans with distinct, ethnic heritages in which, for example, it's not uncommon for Americans of African decent to be portrayed as gangsters, Hispanics as domestic workers, and Pacific Islanders as laundry workers or cleaners. In my life, some of my "majority" associates have expressed surprise that I don't listen to rap, play basketball, or enjoy soul food. To my surprise, when I first met an associate whom I had only talked to on the phone, he exclaimed, "I thought you were white!" I couldn't help but wonder if from that point forward-for better or worse-he would regard me differently.

In government service I've experienced little discrimination. As a JAG lawyer there is freedom from the worry about rainmaking or generating profits. I received immediate responsibility, ranging from trying federal criminal cases (rape, drug distribution, grand larceny, and murder) to providing advice on million-dollar contracts to drafting ethics opinions and thousands of wills. In addition, as a military officer my professional limits are based solely upon my inherent ability and desire for challenge. While I've stayed with the same "firm" my entire career, many of my classmates no longer practice law because of perceived inequities they experienced in civilian firms.

And solo practice has its own roadblocks for minority lawyers-mostly in attracting clients. Friends in solo practice have told me that their potential clients were simply not comfortable with being represented solely by a black lawyer. Johnny Cochran and Willie Gary aside, these racial and ethnic classifications can still mean the difference between being hired or not.

Another roadblock to solo practice for minority lawyers is obtaining the initial capital. The years of slavery and discrimination mean many lawyers of color are not well-situated to financially back a solo enterprise. Times are changing, but for many attorneys of racial and ethnic backgrounds, solo and small firm practices are as far away as Jupiter.

If I had to start again, I would not hesitate to join government service. My quality of life and the congeniality of my colleagues is simply too attractive. Ten bulldozers and a tsunami couldn't pull me away from my career as an Air Force JAG.

James M. Durant III is a major in the U.S. Air Force, serving as a staff judge advocate with the Defense Threat Reduction Agency at Fort Belvoir, Virginia. His e-mail is james.durant@DTRA.MIL.

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PENSACOLA, Fla. (CNS)—A Florida bishop is urging Vice President-elect Joseph Biden to examine his conscience before receiving holy Communion in light of his public support of keeping abortion legal.
Saying he was writing with a sense of "urgency," Bishop John H. Ricard of Pensacola-Tallahassee, Fla., sent a letter Nov. 4 to Biden stating his views on worshipping at Mass and the reception of Communion. The letter was posted on the diocesan Web site two days after Biden attended Mass Nov. 2 at the Co-Cathedral of St. Thomas More in Tallahassee. The vice president-elect was in Florida on a final campaign swing through the state.
At no point in the letter did the bishop bar the vice president-elect from receiving Communion in the diocese, instead seeming to leave the decision to Biden.
A spokesman for Biden said in an e-mail message to Catholic News Service that the vice president-elect would have no comment.
Citing the U.S. bishops' 2004 reflection on "Catholics in Public Life," Bishop Ricard wrote that Catholics must be guided by the words of St. Paul as they prepare to receive the sacrament: "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord."
"Respect for the holy Eucharist, in particular, demands that it be received worthily and that it be seen as the source for our common mission in the world," he said.
The bishop reminded Biden that the Church teaches that human life must be respected from conception through natural death. He also thanked the outgoing senator from Delaware for his support of legislation and programs that benefit the poor and destitute.
"While grateful for the effective collaboration you and your office have offered on so many worthy projects and concerns, I also observe, by your support for laws that fail to protect the unborn, a profound disconnection from your human and personal obligation to protect the weakest and most innocent among us: the child in the womb," Bishop Ricard wrote.
Bishop Ricard concluded his letter by saying the vice president-elect was welcome to "nourish" his faith at any time within the Diocese of Pensacola-Tallahassee.
He also said he was praying for Biden so that "the Catholic faith you have been raised in, the faith by which you pray, and the life of virtue which flows from both may strengthen you so that you may have the strength needed to witness you proclaim your support to the person of Christ in the most vulnerable of his members: the pre-born child."

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I am not moving but during the next couple of weeks I am going to change things so that this name will appear in the URL of all my posts but Blogger (Blogspot) will only allow one of the addresses. The reason why I am doing this, and being a bit awkward - for which I apologise - is that it gives me greater control over my blog (weblog).

For example, I used to be on Blogger, then I moved to Wordpress but after a while I was disillusioned with Wordpress and moved back to Blogger. However, I have lost thousands of viewers by constantly moving. Originally on my first time on Blogger, I had viewers in 96 different countries around the world.

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First, I think Dan Schultz is wrong.  It is a HAM mission just as OSCAR
Number One was a HAM mission.  When it made little sense because few Hams had
the inclination to use that bird then.  Even today the majority of Radio
Amateurs don't do satellites.

Second, science is part of our Amsat-NA charter. It's in the Bylaws.
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I would be perfectly willing to send my donations to Amsat-DL instend of
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>  From: "Robert Oler" <cvn65vf94@msn.com>
>  Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] go ahead for P3-E and P5-A
>  The Mars mission is *NOT* a ham repeater and is not intended to benefit
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>  OK then why is it using Ham Frequencies?
>  If they consider themselves a scientific organization then use the
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>  Here is the sceanrio (remote I agree because this thing will probably
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>  but lets say that they get it up.
>  Then they are using the 60 foot dish to return data at some rate that is
>  "real" and joe ham next door decides to open up on the downlink frequency
>  calling CQ.
>  So the bird downlink vanishes.  Next thing you konw we will hear "we have
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December 1, 2010

Make it a mission to drive brand growth

By Bob Liodice, President and CEO, ANA

On November 2, the American electorate sent a very loud message to Washington about moving our country in the right direction. It didn't seem to matter which of our political leaders had the better ideas. Americans simply wanted them to "get it right."

Chief marketing officers and other industry heavyweights also spoke about getting it right at the ANA's annual Masters of Marketing Conference. Each and every one of them acknowledged the dramatic changes in the marketing and media ecosystem. Each and every one of them noted the impact of the severe recession - including diminished ad budgets, strained agency relationships, and leaner staffs. But each and every one of them refused to budge from their core commitment to drive continued growth and achieve superior results.

Many of them, in fact, pointed to the power of the brand and the fundamental need to get brand management right.

Mark Baynes, global chief marketing officer for Kellogg, said it succinctly and directly: "Unless you have absolute clarity of what your brand stands for, everything else is irrelevant."

Ted Ward, chief marketing officer for Geico, shared his brand philosophy: "Short, simple, and to the point - sales overnight, brands over time."

But getting the brand "right" is a distinct and unique challenge.

Michael Francis, chief marketing officer for Target, encourages us to "be bold enough to challenge assumptions. Boldly and frankly assess what consumers are telling you about your brand, and make the change."

Jim Speros, chief marketing officer for Fidelity Investments, echoed that call, reminding everyone that it's up to us. "Challenge yourself," he said. "If you don't have a big idea, then you are doing your company a disservice because that is what will fundamentally distinguish your brand."

Indeed, it's about each and every one of us and our commitment to the brand.

John Adams, chief executive officer for the Martin Agency, said, "It's not lack of knowledge, but lack of conviction and the will or desire to take big steps that will affect brand growth. It's your internal mindset that matters most."

Graciela Eleta, senior vice president for Univision, reinforced that point: "Ask yourself what your personal accountability is and what you are doing to drive strategic and brand growth."

The decisions that shape our relationships with consumers and customers are what will determine the trajectory for brand and business growth. Marc Pritchard, global marketing officer for Procter & Gamble, summed it up best: "Think about the best way you can serve people and make their lives better. This will lead you to big insights that can improve your brand and your growth."

Now that's "getting the message" - don't you think?

"From The Top: Getting It Right." Bob Liodice, President and CEO, ANA. ANA Magazine, December 2010.

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Video Seduction

© Moody magazine, March 1995
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I tried to tell myself that it wouldn't affect me.

My actions seemed so out of character for a Christian leader, an ordained minister. What had happened in my mind and conscience? I wondered. How had Satan's fiery darts penetrated so deeply?

It all started so innocently. The videocassette recorder was a gift to enhance my ministry. I also hoped it would provide some harmless entertainment.

I seldom attend movie theaters. West Side Story, Ben Hur, and Chariots of Fire are among the few films I have seen in a theater. With the VCR, however, I had access to thousands of titles. I could rent some of them for as little as a dollar an evening.

During the first months, my family and I viewed several Walt Disney classics -- Mary Poppins, Swiss Family Robinson, Peter's Dragon. But as I selected our family movies at the local video shop, an exciting selection of adventure films caught my eye.

I recognized that most were unsuitable for family viewing. But they didn't seem to be "bad" movies. Besides, I had heard Christian friends talk about watching them.

So I would select a family movie, and one of a more mature theme for my wife and me to watch after the children were in bed.

I enjoyed the action in these films, but I was also troubled. The actors used profanity. The women often wore skimpy clothing. Some scenes portrayed violence and sexual immorality. I tolerated these portions because the films were 90 percent wholesome entertainment. Before long, however, I found the sexual scenes more enticing and less offensive.

My son once noticed I had an extra movie and asked if he could see it, too. I explained that it wasn't a movie for kids because it had some bad language and things that were not very nice.

"Then why are you watching it, Dad?" he asked. I had nothing to say.

I had yet to rent an R-rated movie. Then one day I did. I was drawn by the title and the suggestive picture. I told myself that sex was not the attraction.

Before I realized it, I was watching a movie a weekend -- sometimes two. I found myself less interested in reading. I would pick up a book and page through it, but what I really wanted to do was watch another movie. There were several titles I couldn't wait to see. So came the midweek video.

During my video seduction, I experienced a perplexing spiritual struggle. I rationalized viewing discrete sex and partial nudity. I'm mature enough to handle this, I thought. There's nothing wrong with merely viewing these things. I'm not the one doing them. Yet deep within my heart, I knew I was guilty.

It was especially difficult to carry out an effective ministry during this time. Although I continued my personal devotions out of habit, I knew that my Scripture reading and prayer was a sham. My enthusiasm for teaching and preaching the Bible waned. I lost boldness in speaking on biblical commands against sexual immorality.

On several occasions I determined that I would not view another R-rated movie. I didn't like the profanity The stories were inane, never providing the satisfying entertainment I had anticipated. But then, while browsing the shelves in the video shop, I would see something I didn't want to miss.

Video was becoming a necessary element of my life. I looked forward to the midweek movie as a chance to "put my mind in neutral" and relax after a busy day When my wife was busy with housework or Bible study, I watched the movie alone, often selecting a sexually suggestive title.

Her moral sensitivity and presence in the home prevented me from viewing some of the more sexually explicit movies I noticed in the video shops. Then came a weekend when she was to be away at a women's conference. This was my chance to view an X-rated film alone.

I contemplated this decision for at least a week. I did not want to give in to the temptation. Yet I could not seem to get the film out of my mind.

On Saturday night I went to the video shop, intending to get a family movie. But I found myself laying $3 on the counter for an X-rated movie. It's just curiosity, not lust, I told myself. Perhaps as a Christian leader I should be aware of what the world is consuming.

What I saw that night was ugly. The film degraded men and women. The beauty of human sexuality as God designed it and as I had experienced it in marriage was absent. I felt empty, cheated, and defeated.

IT WAS AT THIS POINT that God brought me to my senses. He had been calling me to repentance all along, but I had been ignoring Him. Shocked by my failure, I realized that I was in danger of destroying my life and my ministry. If I hardened my heart and harbored this sin, what would entice me next?

I did four things that night before going to bed. First, I destroyed the identification cards that video shops require when renting tapes. Second, I wrote a letter to my wife, confessing my failure and asking her to pray for my spiritual recovery. Third, I confessed my sin to the Lord and appropriated His cleansing. Fourth, I made a decision before God to stay out of video shops.

Later, I took another step. I made myself accountable to a friend -- a pastor I greatly respect. I confessed my sin, asked for his prayers, and promised to let him know if I sensed I was slipping. We agreed to ask each other regularly about our spiritual lives.

I'm writing this not to provide a catharsis for my soul, for I'm assured of God's forgiveness (1 John 1:9), but to warn other Christians. No Christian is immune to the temptations of video seduction. Here are some commitments I've made to avoid the misuse of my video recorder:

I have stopped frequenting video shops. Even though I may not intend to rent an R-rated film when I enter the shop, I often come across those items on the shelves. Browsing for movies in secular video shops gives Satan the opportunity to get in some licks. I may escape without renting a compromising film, but I have exposed myself to suggestive titles that may come to mind when my guard is down.

Many Christian bookstores now rent family films. By renting my videos there, I avoid unnecessary temptation. If I must rent from a secular video shop, I call ahead to reserve the title I want and pick it up at the counter.

I have stopped watching video movies alone. When I'm planning to watch a video movie, I arrange to watch it with my wife, children, and sometimes another family. This helps me to be more selective in my choice of films.

I have limited my video viewing. Leisure and entertainment have their place, but I often gravitate to extremes. "If watching one video a month is enjoyable, one a week might seem even more so." Very few secular films, however, are worth spending two hours to watch. I have decided to save my viewing time for the few high-quality films that are released yearly I use other leisure time for reading, games, and more interactive recreation.

I'm cultivating opportunities to use my video equipment for ministry. Hundreds of evangelical films are now available on videotape, including Bible teaching series, tips for family life, Christian biographies, and children's stories. We look for occasions to share such materials with a friend or family.

I'm seeking to cultivate God's attitude toward things I view on video. Proverbs 6:16-19 lists the kinds of evil that God hates: lies, bloodshed, and wicked plans. These very evils are emphasized and exalted by the film industry I'm sad to say that I ha~e sometimes been entertained by activities that the Lord hates. Solomon reminds me that "to fear the Lord is to hate evil" (Proverbs 8:13). And the psalmist exhorts us, "Let those who love the Lord hate evil" (Psalm 97:10).

I'm limiting my viewing to films that meet the criteria of Philippians 4:8. Paul writes, "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure whatever is lovely whatever is admirable -- if anything is excellent or praiseworthy -- think about such things." If my video viewing meets this standard, it won't dishonor the Lord.

I forget many things -- phone numbers, names, Scripture references -- but explicit and violent scenes of some movies still remain in my mind. I now want to protect my mind from the stain of that corruption.

This article first appeared in the May 1987 Moody. The author wishes to remain anonymous.

Note from the Webmaster: I think the safest recourse in dealing with unwholesome videos, movies and shows is to avoid theaters and no longer have TV, VCRs or such equipment. That is the course of action, that is the lifestyle I heartily recommend.

I invite you to read three more articles along a similar vein as this, by three other authors:

A Call to Thought Purity
Handy Pornography!
Letter to the Other Woman

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AMD's first move made sense, and that was to dramatically reduce the pricing of its entire lineup to remain competitive. Most computer components are not things you can buy and sell off of emotions alone, and thus something that performs worse must cost less. Through the price drops AMD actually ended up with a fairly attractive dual core lineup, although our similarly aggressive pricing from Intel meant that the most attractive AMD CPUs were the cheapest ones.

But what was AMD to do about the quad-core race? Even though Intel would release its first quad-core CPUs this year, less than 1% of all shipments would feature four cores. It won't be until the end of 2007 before more than 5% of Intel's shipments are quad-core CPUs. But would the loss in mindshare be great enough if Intel already jumped ahead in the race to more cores?

Manufacturing a quad-core Athlon 64 or Opteron on AMD's current 90nm process simply isn't feasible; AMD would end up with a chip that is too big and too hot to sell, not to mention that it would put an even greater strain on AMD's manufacturing which is already running at capacity.

With the 90nm solution being not a very good one, there's always the "wait until 2007" option, which honestly seemed like a very good one to us. We just mentioned that Intel wasn't going to be shipping many of these quad-core CPUs and the majority of users, even enthusiasts who are traditionally early adopters, will stay away from quad-core until 2007 at the earliest to begin with.

Then there's the third option, the one AMD ended up taking; instead of building quad-core on 90nm or waiting until next year, around April/May of 2006 AMD decided that it had a better solution. AMD would compete in the quad-core race by the end of 2006 but with two dual core CPUs running in a desktop motherboard.

Of course dual-core, dual-socket is nothing new, as AMD has been offering that on Opteron platforms for quite a while now. But the difference is that this new platform would be designed for the enthusiast, meaning it would come equipped with a performance tuned (and tweakable) BIOS, tons of USB ports, support for SLI, etc... Most importantly, unlike an Opteron system, this dual socket desktop platform would run using regular unbuffered DDR2 memory.

Back then the platform was called 4x4, and honestly it was about as appealing as a pickup truck. The platform has since matured and thanks to a very impressive chipset from NVIDIA and aggressive pricing from AMD, what's now known as Quad FX may actually have some potential. Today we're here to find out if AMD's first four-core desktop platform is a viable competitor to Intel's Kentsfield, or simply an embarrassing knee-jerk reaction.

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  • JarredWalton - Thursday, November 30, 2006 - link

    Why is it that just putting the other 2 cores on the same package reduces power consumption so much?

    It doesn't. Core 2 Duo uses less power than Athlon FX-62, so two of them are going to use less than two FX-62 (or whatever) chips. Now, adding the second socket also adds additional voltage regulation circuitry, so the second socket will increase the power load, but I don't think the second socket accounts for more than a 20W power increase, and probably more like 10W.
  • Slaimus - Thursday, November 30, 2006 - link

    The odd thing for this platform is that the single CPU is actually really cheap versus comparable products. If only server boards can take these CPUs. Reply
  • Beachboy - Thursday, November 30, 2006 - link

    I wonder how many diehard AMD enthusiats will want to split a set of these "quads". Reply
  • mino - Friday, December 01, 2006 - link

    Count me in!

    IMHO enthusiast forums are will be full of guys sharing the CPU purchase... :)
  • peternelson - Friday, December 01, 2006 - link

    Very likely eg I would and thought of that, knowing the guys on forums I frequent ;-)

    The other option is just buy two motherboard/systems and put each of the paired cpus into each one.
  • rqle - Thursday, November 30, 2006 - link

    Best case scenario.
    100% price reduction in mainboard
    Assume these FX cpu perform as well as QCore
    Price it Similar to Performance
    Major Power Reduction
    Assume it a windows error =/ , no clue why you would run server software and e-commerce over softwares/games on this platform

    I still have a very hard time recommended this setup to an enthusiast. Already have a hard time reaching 3.0ghz, it going to have a very hard time going just 10% beyond that. The upper limit of AMD cpu doesn’t impress me right now. Cheapo Intel Core 2, with an overclocker in mind seem to have more potential.
  • photoguy99 - Thursday, November 30, 2006 - link

    I generally agree with your logic -

    But even your best case scenario is impossible because two 90 process CPUs have never come close to the power comsumption of a single 65 process CPU at the same performance.
  • mino - Friday, December 01, 2006 - link

    Depends. EE X2's are more efficient than C2D's. Even performance wise.

    Not even comparing IDLE C'n'Q and EIST enabled ....
  • Anonymous Freak - Thursday, November 30, 2006 - link

    Of course they'll sell more FX processors now than before. There was literally nothing to differentiate them before, other than clock speed. That, plus now they'll sell two for every computer built with them.

    But, I have a feeling that the FX processors are going to be even more niche than they were before. Before, it was at least a high end normal processor. Someone could buy a midrange system, and upgrade to an FX later. Now, you have to decide up front that you're going to pay a fortune for the computer. Presently, I have an el-cheapo $99 motherboard that I put my old Pentium 4 in. If I want, I can slap a Quad-Core Core 2 Extreme in there. I can't do that with AMD's setup.

    I'm not an Intel fanboy, either. The only reason I even have the Pentium 4 is because a friend gave it to me free when he upgraded his system. I was perfectly happy with my laptop and my AthlonXP 1700+. But a free 3.8 GHz processor is a free 3.8 GHz processor. I went and bought the cheapest motherboard and memory I could find. Spent about $200, and I can upgrade to quad core anytime I want. (Although I'll probably upgrade from the onboard video to a decent PCI-E card first.)
  • photoguy99 - Thursday, November 30, 2006 - link

    Of course they'll sell more FX processors now than before

    I don't know man, why would they sell any more?

    To sell more someone would have to buy this "Ford Excursion" of a system. But who is going to buy this?

    What boutique shop is going to even sell it?

    Is there one single person here who is planning to get one?

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AMD Launches Radeon Mobility 7700M, 7800M, and 7900M GPUs

Late last year, AMD pushed out the first of their Southern Islands GPUs for the desktop, the HD 7970. Around the same time, AMD also announced their first 7000M mobile GPUs. Since then, AMD has gone on to launch the HD 7950, the HD 7750/7770, and the HD 7850/7870. Meanwhile, on the mobile front we’ve had to sit back and wait…and wait. Today, the waiting ends, at least for one of the parts: the HD 7970M is now shipping in select notebooks, and the other GPUs will likely start showing up in other laptops and notebooks over the coming weeks.

As is customary for AMD and NVIDIA, new GPUs debut on the desktop, and after a while they trickle down into the mobile world. NVIDIA actually pulled a fast one with GK107 actually coming out ahead of the desktop GK104, which may be a sign of the changing times, but AMD’s GCN is sticking with the traditional route of using lower clocked power optimized versions of already launched desktop chips for their mobile parts. Not that there’s anything wrong with that from a business standpoint, but it does make laptop users feel like second class citizens. Before we continue the discussion, let’s list the specs.

AMD Radeon HD 7900M, 7800M, and 7700M
  Radeon HD 7900M Radeon HD 7800M Radeon HD 7700M
Core Name Wimbledon Heathrow Chelsea
Stream Processors 1280 640 512
Texture Units 80 40 32
ROPs 32 16 16
Z/Stencil 128 64 64
L2 Cache 512KB 512KB 512KB
Core Clock 850MHz 800MHz 675MHz
Memory Clock 4.8GHz 4.0GHz 4.0GHz
Memory Type 2GB GDDR5 2GB GDDR5 2GB GDDR5
Memory Bus Width 256-bit 128-bit 128-bit
Memory Bandwidth 153.6GB/s 64GB/s 64GB/s
PCI Express 3.0 3.0 2.1

Starting at the high end, AMD will have the 7900M series. Note that there will be more than one part for each family, but AMD is currently providing the configuration for the highest performance parts in each category. At the top, the HD 7970M uses a fully enabled Pitcairn core. The GPU clock is 850MHz compared to 1000MHz (stock) on the desktop HD 7870, but surprisingly AMD is going whole hog on the RAM and featuring 2GB of 4.8GHz GDDR5. That makes the 96GB/s bandwidth of NVIDIA’s GTX 580M/675M positively pale in comparison, and we’d wager the GPU performance will easily reclaim the mobile performance crown—at least until NVIDIA launches the inevitable GTX 680M, but we don’t know when that will be. Going by the core clocks, the HD 7970M should be about 15% slower than the HD 7870, and given the fact that no consumer laptops have yet shipped with an LCD resolution above 1920x1200, you can look at our HD 7870 benchmarks and subtract 15% to get a pretty good idea of how the HD 7970M will perform.

AMD was also "kind" enough to provide a comparison slide with their own benchmarks, showing performance relative to the HD 6990M. As always, take these graphs for what they're worth:

HD 6990M was certainly no slouch as far as mobile gaming is concerned; you can see how it stacked up against the GTX 580M in our Alienware M18x head-to-head in both single- and dual-GPU configurations. The quick summary is that across the eight games we tested last year, SLI GTX 580M averaged out to approximately 8% faster than CrossFire HD 6990M; for single GPUs, the result is more in NVIDIA’s favor: the GTX 580M was 8% faster at our Ultra settings, and 17% faster at our High settings. Assuming AMD’s numbers are correct (and given the amount of memory bandwidth and GPU cores we’re looking at, we see no reason why they wouldn’t be), it looks like HD 7970M will be around 45% faster than the HD 6990M on average, or about 25% faster than a single GTX 580M.

AMD also presented some data showing their estimate of performance results for HD 7970M vs. GTX 675M, which you can see below, though it appears that information was simulated using desktop hardware (Core i7-2600K) and while the numbers are likely accurate, the selection of games and the chosen settings could be debated. AMD obviously isn't an unbiased review source. Now we can wait for NVIDIA’s inevitable response with a high-end mobile Kepler.

The other two GPUs are an interesting pair. Both use the Cape Verde core, but where the 7800M is a fully enabled 640 core part, the 7700M disables a couple compute clusters and ends up with 512 cores and 32 texture units. AMD also clocks the 7700M lower, most likely to hit lower TDP targets for laptops rather than because of inherent limitations with the chips. Compared to the desktop parts, the (presumed) HD 7870M will run the core at 800MHz vs. 1000MHz on the HD 7770 GHz Edition, and memory is at 4GHz effective compared to 4.5GHz on the desktop parts. For the (again presumed) HD 7770M, the core will run at 675MHz compared to 800MHz on the desktop HD 7750.

There’s one other big difference between the HD 7700M and the HD 7800M: PCI Express 3.0 support will not be present on the 7700M. Before anyone gets too upset, we need to put things in perspective. First, while PCIe 3.0 has improved performance with HD 7970 on the desktop, for the HD 7700M we’re looking at a part that has only one fourth the compute power. Second, remember what we just said about HD 7700M being clocked lower most likely in order to hit TDP targets? We asked AMD about the removal of PCIe 3.0 support (given both families use Cape Verde, the potential is certainly there), and their response confirmed our suspicions: “The Cape Verde die itself supports PCIe 3; the reason we chose not to include it in our 7700M is because it mostly targets platforms where power saving is king, and the sacrifice (though not huge) in that regard would not have been justified by the small performance gain going from gen 2 to gen 3.”

And for the curious, once again AMD provided an estimate of performance for the 7870M vs. the GTX 560M (simulated using desktop hardware). Results are at 1920x1080/1920x1200 with a variety of quality settings, so take the following with a grain of salt.

GCN HD 7000M: Key Features and Technologies

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  • Meaker10 - Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - link

    "The GPU clock is 850MHz compared to 1100MHz (stock) on the desktop HD 7870"

    The 7870 is clocked at 1000MHz stock.

    I want the 7970M on a nice MXM-B module to slap in my notebook, cheers :)
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - link

    Right you are; sorry for the error, though I actually had the correct math and just wrote 1100MHz (the overclocked value) instead of 1000. :-) Reply
  • alterecho_ - Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - link

    I appreciate AMD as a clean company but they should really stop using non-zero values as their base line, in their graphs. Reply
  • Goty - Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - link

    People have really got to get over this point. AMD does it, Intel does it, NVIDIA does it; it's nothing new. If you still have trouble reading charts, you might want to consider going back to elementary school. Reply
  • BSMonitor - Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - link

    Pot, this kettle. Kettle this is pot. Reply
  • nPawn - Wednesday, April 25, 2012 - link

    I don't understand what the problem is in the first place?? Reply
  • suprem1ty - Monday, April 30, 2012 - link

    I think its because it's a bit misleading visually.

    Look at the first graph, on the Battlefield 3 results at first glance the difference in height makes AMD's card look 3x faster, when in reality its only (relatively speaking) 60% quicker.
  • Gc - Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - link

    Ugh, I agree. This contributes to giving the AMD marketing department a bad name,
    and hurts AnandTech for using the bad chart in their article.
    I had hoped the AMD marketing purge might have gotten rid of some bad players.

    Would be better if the vertical axis showed a gap before it intersects the horizontal axis.
    We are used to seeing the intersection of the axes as the origin 0,0.
    So just don't show a continuous axis, show a break or even a zigzag.

    Bar charts are harder, better to show a break or cut-off in the bars as well.
    These 3-d bars are bad, they look like the bars are sitting on a floor, not cut-off.
  • JarredWalton - Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - link

    As I comment below: Our text dissects the information, and right now these charts are the only indication of performance that we have. I just assume everyone who comes here is smart enough to read the charts and understand what they mean. I even say, "take the charts with a grain of salt."

    This is a press release for the most part, and we're not performing the tests. I certainly don't want to make an AnandTech style graph that people might actually interpret as being our own independent test results! These are AMD's tests and AMD's information, and what they do here isn't all that different from what I've seen elsewhere (e.g. NVIDIA and Intel "what to expect" guides).
  • doron1 - Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - link

    Actually this graph made me chuckle, I'm surprised no one saw why they did that -

    Btw never seen AMD use such graph before, but I could be wrong.

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Memory Configuration (continued)

Our benchmarks in Part 1 were consistent with the configuration recommendations in the Intel White Papers for Memory Configuration of the 875 and 865 chipsets. We concluded with the following performance charts based on our testing and the information provided by Intel. We differ from the Intel White Paper charts only in the first and second positions for the Intel 865 chipset. When Intel published their White Papers, we doubt that they had any notion that most of the 865 motherboards being sold would have some version of PAT (Performance Acceleration Technology) on board. Our testing of the ASUS, AOpen, and DFI PAT-enabled boards shows that the PAT 865 boards behave more like 875 boards. We have confirmed that the first and second positions on PAT-enabled 865 boards are, as we report, below — with four DS DIMMs performing faster than two DS DIMMs.

DDR400 (1:1) Performance DIMM Configuration Single-Channel or Dual-Channel
1 4 DS Dual Channel
2 2 DS or 4 SS Dual Channel
3 2 SS Dual Channel
4 4 SS/DS
Mixed Matched Pairs
Dual Channel
5 Any DS Single Channel
6 Any SS Single Channel

DDR333/266 Performance DIMM Configuration Single-Channel or Dual-Channel
1 2 DS or 4 SS Dual Channel
2 2 SS Dual Channel
3 4 DS Dual Channel
4 4 SS/DS
Mixed Matched Pairs
Dual Channel
5 Any 1 or 2 DS or SS
(1 DIMM or 1 in each Channel)
Single Channel
6 Any 1 SS Single Channel

While SiSoft Sandra UNBuffered Memory Test results demonstrated real differences in performance among these memory configurations, many of you asked what we might see in real-world performance differences with these different memory configurations.

Some of the configurations were easier to test than others. Kingston had provided us with four Single-Bank (single-sided) DDR500 DIMMs that allowed us to look at performance differences in two SS DIMMs versus four SS DIMMs. We looked at performance of 1000FSB/DDR500 at 3-4-4-7-1 memory timings at 2.65V.

1000FSB (3.0GHz)/DDR500 Performance — Kingston PC4000
2 x 256 MB SS DIMMs vs. 4 x 256 MB SS DIMMs
Number of Single-Bank DIMMs Quake3
Sandra UNBuffered Sandra Standard
Super PI 2M places
(time in sec)
2 386.30 INT 2821
FLT 2786
INT 5830
FLT 5748
4 394.57 INT 3218
FLT 3195
INT 5841
FLT 5818

While the differences in Quake3 frame rate and Super PI times are small, keep in mind that the only change here is using four SS DIMMs instead of two SS DIMMs. As predicted by Sandra UNBuffered Memory Test, the four SS DIMMs perform better than two SS DIMMs.

Comparing two SS DIMMs to two DS DIMMs was done using 2 x 256 MB SS OCZ PC4000 and 2 x 512 MB DS PC4000 at timings of 2.5-3-4-6 at 2.65V. It is almost impossible to keep DIMM capacity the same, which would be the most accurate test, as none of the samples using the same memory chips would have the same exact capacity in SS and DS configurations.

1000FSB (3.0GHz)/DDR500 Performance — OCZ PC4000
2 x 256 MB SS DIMMs vs. 2 x 512 MB DS DIMMs
Number of DIMMs & Configuration Quake3
Sandra UNBuffered Sandra Standard
Super PI
2M places
(time in sec)
2 SS 392.30 INT 2918
FLT 2926
INT 5761
FLT 5868
2 DS 400.10 INT 3282
FLT 3324
INT 5965
FLT 5934

Again, the differences are small but real in Quake3 and Super PI, but with 2 DS DIMMs performing better as we had demonstrated in Part 1 with the Sandra UNBuffered Memory Test.

The fastest configuration should be 4 Double-Bank DIMMs on the Intel 875 chipset motherboard. Our first efforts to test this configuration, with 4 x 256 DS OCZ 3700 GOLD modules did not show 4 DS DIMMs any faster than 2 DS DIMMs on the ASUS P4C800-E. This was a real puzzle considering that other predicted configurations were easily verified with Quake3, Super PI and other benchmarks. When we looked deeper, the problem became clear. In every configuration that we had tested with the ASUS P4C800-E, the Performance Mode showed “enabled” but with 4 DS DIMMs at any FSB speed faster than 800, CPU-Z 1.18C shows Performance Mode “disabled”. Our trial was failing here because we were comparing 2 DS DIMMs with PAT on to 4 DS DIMMs with PAT off. We have asked ASUS for the reason behind why PAT appears to be disabled at 4 DS DIMMs above 800FSB.

Since we were mainly concerned with comparing 2 DS with 4 DS DIMMs under the same conditions, we ran 2 DS vs. 4 DS tests at 800FSB/DDR400, so that PAT was enabled in both two and four DIMM setups. We compared prototypes of high-speed PC3700 memory that we tested, looking specifically at the performance of 2 x 512 MB DS to 4 x 512 MB DS at DDR400. Timings were 2-2-4-8 at 2.75V.

800FSB (2.4GHz)/DDR400 Performance
2 x 512 DS vs. 4 x 512 DS
Number of DS DIMMs Quake3
Flyby fps
Botmatch fps
Sandra UNBuffered Sandra Standard
Super PI 2M places (time in sec)
2 321.4 196.30 68.31 INT 2683
FLT 2722
INT 4704
FLT 4691
4 324.5 197.60 69.38 INT 2830
FLT 2923
INT 4678
FLT 4717

While the differences here are quite small, they still show 4 DS modules performing better than 2 DS modules. We suspect that we would see larger differences at higher speed, as we have in our other comparisons.

We have confirmed with game benchmarks and a number-crunching benchmark that the best 875/865 memory configurations can also be seen in real-world benchmarks. Because memory performance is only one component of game performance and overall system bandwidth, the effect on these benchmarks is, as expected, smaller than the variation seen in benchmarks that measure only memory performance, like Sandra UNBuffered Memory Test.

Does Memory Speed really matter in the Real World? The Candidates

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  • dshodson - Friday, September 05, 2003 - link

    So what is the best memory to put in my new dell server coming in a week which has the 875 chip. I heard u cant really overclock this system although i havent received mine yet. Reply
  • Anonymous User - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - link

    Sorry about the typos ( its 11:36 PM here )

  • Anonymous User - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - link

    Uberclocker ,

    If your having a problem with a OCZ part , email me directly , Most problems are related it simple setup issues , and your problem is verry likely fixed in a few simple steps , or with a bios update

    My email is oczguy@ocztechnology.com
    I will not like answer your email until tomorow ( tuesday ) as today is a holiday and I am not in the office today

  • Anonymous User - Monday, September 01, 2003 - link

    Hello, I have followd your recommendation and bought an OCZ 4000 in Germany, this weekend. Unfortunately it has not performed to its specification. Can you tell me if there is a special part number I should look for to get their special 'reviewers golden sample' ?

  • Anonymous User - Saturday, August 30, 2003 - link

    I think if you have a cpu that will do 250 FSB and you purchase memory based on this article and you get within 98% of the results posted in this article, you owe Wesley $10.00. If 20% of the people with favorable results donated, there would be no more need to advertise. Now for the people who did not purchase ram based on this article and are bitching about it being bias, what are you bitching for?. This article has not cost you a cent.

    Thanks Wesley, you saved me a $100 on ram. I almost got caught up in all the hype about 4000 and 4200.

  • Anonymous User - Saturday, August 30, 2003 - link

    This article goes part way to answering the question of what memory configuration is fastest but I was disappointed that there was no variation in ratio.

    I would like to see a review that tests agressive timings against high frequency to see what produces the best results.

    Also a test of all P4C chips running @ 3.6Ghz to see whether there's any benefit in buying the fastest chip.

    With most motherboards easily hitting 1Ghz are we likely to be seeing a P4D which supports a 1066Mhz FSB?
  • Anonymous User - Friday, August 29, 2003 - link

    I think the way to do these reviews is to tell the manufacturer you'd like to include them in a review, purchase the memory from a store you trust, and then get re-imbursed by the manufacturer. That way, there'd be no selected modules and you would know what you were going to put into the review (4 ss vs 2 ds).

    So, when do we get that part 2 of the 865/875 mobo roundup ?
  • retrospooty - Friday, August 29, 2003 - link

    I have run these tests myself on an IC7G at 200 , 230 250 and 280 FSB and found that 5:4 2-2-2 always beats 1:1 at 2.5-4-4, even 2.5 4-3 ... However SOME motherboards arent as efficient at 5:4 with some types of ram as others... If you try the same test on several different mobo's I think you will find that 5:4 2-2-2 is quite a bit faster in non-synthetic mem test benchmarks.

    Oldfart # 64, you are right about the reviewers and using the synthetic tests to boost sales. good point.
  • Anonymous User - Friday, August 29, 2003 - link

    If your not going to overclock, get low latency pc 3200 or 3500, the PC4000 wont help you at all

    even IF you ARE going to overclock, the PC4000 will not likely get you better performance.
  • Anonymous User - Friday, August 29, 2003 - link

    #67 I'm not an expert by any means but here is how I understand this discussion:
    If you are planning to use one of the faster processors such as the 3.0C you won't be able to achieve a big overclock because the multiplier for that processor is 15. If you want to use a higher speed processor such as the 2.8C or the 3.0c, you really dont need to spend the money on faster memory such as the PC4000 because you probably won't be able to overclock to a point that you will be able to reach a front side bus speed of 250mhz which is the lowest rated speed (x2=ddr500) of the memory module. So as the article has explained,you would be better off with
    slower ram that has faster timings. However, if you have a slower processor such as the 2.4C or the 2.6C, you should be able to achieve a higher overclock because these processors have lower multipliers. In this case you would need faster ram such as the PC4000, because with these processors many have been able to set their front side bus up to and beyond 250mhz. In most scenarios with fast processors/slower ram vs slower processors/faster ram, IMHO, the performance difference may be fairly equal. What is really happening is a cost/benefit consideration. As always be careful!!! Overclocking can damage your system...you do it at your own risk!

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As we mentioned before, the AMB interface is only 24-bits wide thanks to its high speed serial nature, but there's far more detail to this bus than meets the eye. The AMB bus is split into a 14-bit read bus ("Northbound" lanes) and a 10-bit write bus ("Southbound" lanes), with these buses operating at 6 times the DDR2 frequency (e.g. if you're using DDR2-667 FB-DIMMs, then the AMB runs at 667MHz x 6 or 4GHz). By having a dedicated read and write bus, reads and writes can happen simultaneously thus increasing performance in some circumstances. The read bus is a bit wider than the write bus since more often than not your system is reading from memory than writing to it.

In each bus, there are no dedicated lines for addresses, commands and data, all three types of signals are sent over the same pins. In conventional parallel interfaces, the address of the memory request is placed on a dedicated set of address pins and the data at that address is then placed on another set of data pins. With FBD, the data is sent in packets or frames (much like network traffic); each frame generally consists of either address/control signals or command and data signals. The data frames are 15 bytes large for writes and 21 bytes large for reads, but not all of that is raw data, some of it is ECC data that we don't normally look at when comparing bandwidths, so we'll have to strip that out.

For northbound traffic (reads), each frame is 12 cycles long and each frame that contains data can have a maximum of 16-bytes of data, meaning that our peak bandwidth with DDR2-667 FB-DIMMs is 5.34GB/s. For southbound traffic (writes), each frame is still 12 cycles long but only 8 bytes are transferred per frame, giving us a peak data bandwidth of 2.67GB/s.

Total data bandwidth then weighs in at just over 8GB/s for a single channel, but also keep in mind that not every frame will be a data frame, so the effective bandwidth will be noticeably lower. What we're touching on here is one of the major drawbacks to serial buses: there's greater overhead than with a parallel bus. Although there is more peak bandwidth on the AMB bus than there is between the AMB and its DDR2 devices (8GB/s vs. 5.34GB/s), there may actually be less peak read bandwidth once you factor in the overhead of the serial bus. There's of course less peak write bandwidth available, but writes take much longer to complete and generally can't ever reach peak bandwidth numbers. At the end of the day, despite the best efforts, there may be some situations where you are actually bandwidth limited by your AMB in a FBD system. How frequently those situations occur and what the average performance impact is are unfortunately both very complicated questions to answer and beyond the scope of this already long article.

The FBD proposition gets a little less appetizing when you look at the other major aspect of memory performance: latency. Since the protocol calls for point-to-point communication between AMBs, there's an additional latency penalty for each AMB that has to be contacted in the search for the right FB-DIMM to fulfill the read/write request. Intel states that the additional delay is in the range of 3 - 5 ns per FB-DIMM, meaning that a configuration of 8 x 1GB FB-DIMMs will be slower than 4 x 2GB FB-DIMMs. The argument here in favor of FBD is that even though you give up some latency, you make up for it in the ability to cram more memory channels on your memory controller and support configurations with more DIMMs.

There's one more issue worth talking about and that is power consumption. The AMB on each FB-DIMM has a pretty big job, converting the 4GHz serialized memory requests into 667MHz parallel requests that can be serviced by regular DDR2 memories. This translation process consumes quite a bit of power and thus causes the AMB to dissipate a noticeable amount of heat. The Mac Pro page on Apple's website states the following about the FB-DIMMs it uses:

"To help dissipate heat, every Apple DIMM you purchase for your Mac Pro comes with its own preinstalled heat sink. This unique heat sink lets fans run slower - and quieter - yet keeps the memory cool enough to run at full speed."

That heatsink is made necessary by the AMB on each FB-DIMM, which seems to dissipate somewhere between 3 - 6W. The reason there's a range is because how active the AMB is depends on how close it is to the memory controller. The first AMB in the chain will have to service all requests from the main memory controller, passing them along as needed, while the last AMB in the chain will only receive those requests that are specifically targeted to its module. With 8 FB-DIMM slots in the Mac Pro, you're looking at up to another ~40W of power if you've got all slots populated.

Despite being a lower pincount bus, current FB-DIMMs use the same number of pins as DDR2 DIMMs. The reason being that each AMB needs two sets of buses, one to communicate with the FB-DIMM before it, and one to communicate with the module after it, thus there are approximately 120 signaling pins needed for each AMB. Once you add your power and ground pins, not to mention your reserved pins for future use you're not that far off of the 240-pins used on current desktop DDR2 DIMMs. Rather than introducing a brand new connector and module design, FB-DIMMs simply take the current DDR2 DIMM design and key it differently to only work in FB-DIMM slots. Remember that the signal routing from the chipset to the first memory slot still only uses 69 signaling pins since it doesn't have to communicate with anything "before" it in the chain, so you do still get the benefits of a lower pincount interface.

Front and back of a FB-DIMM

The major benefit that the Mac Pro seems to get from the use of FB-DIMMs is that its memory bus and FSBs can offer identical bandwidths at 21.3GB/s (ignoring the unknowns we discussed earlier about the efficiency of FBD). By using a lower pincount interface, Intel was able to fit four FBD channels on its 5000 series chipset and thus offer the bandwidth equivalent of a 256-bit wide DDR2 memory controller. However the additional memory bandwidth comes at the high cost of additional latency, power consumption and more expensive DIMMs.

There are a couple of things you can do to maximize performance and minimize the cost of additional memory on your Mac Pro, and it starts with the number of FB-DIMMs you configure your system with. The Mac Pro ships with a default configuration of 2 x 512MB FB-DIMMs, unfortunately that means that you're only using two of the four available memory channels, cutting your peak theoretical memory bandwidth in half. You'll want to upgrade to at least four FB-DIMMs so that you can run in quad-channel mode, in the coming weeks we'll be running some tests to figure out exactly how much additional performance you'll gain by doing that and if it's noticeable or not.

If you do find yourself filling all 8 memory slots on the Mac Pro, we would suggest trying to move to 4 higher density modules instead. Remember that you gain an additional 3 - 5ns of latency (at minimum) with each FB-DIMM hop, so the fewer FB-DIMMs you have the lower your worst case scenario memory latency will be. But since you still want to be running in quad-channel mode you don't want to drop below four FB-DIMMs, making four the magic number with the Mac Pro.

As always, Apple's pricing for memory upgrades is much higher than what you can get elsewhere. We are going to try and test memory compatibility once our Mac Pro system arrives, but there's no reason that FB-DIMMs that work on current Xeon motherboards shouldn't work in the Mac Pro. We would recommend holding off on ordering a Mac Pro with any of Apple's memory upgrades until we can verify that 3rd party memory will work, if it does, the table below will give you an idea of the savings possible:

Memory Upgrade
Apple's Price
Newegg's Price

2 x 512MB

4 x 1GB

8 x 1GB
4 x 2GB
8 x 2GB

The prices above were for Kingston ECC DDR2-667 FB-DIMMs, which may or may not work on the Mac Pro. We will find out for sure in the coming weeks but the price differential is great enough that you may want to hold off on ordering a lot of memory just in case you can get it a lot cheaper from elsewhere.

Understanding Fully Buffered DIMMs Drive Options

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  • saneproductions - Sunday, August 27, 2006 - link

    I just picked up a 2.66 MP 2GB and got some SATA-eSATA PCI plates to route the 2 hidden SATA ports to my eSATA drive and it was a no go. I tried both having the drive powered up then booting (system hung at the gray screen) and powering on the drive after the MP was up and running (nothing happened). any ideas?

  • blwest - Monday, August 14, 2006 - link

    I received my Mac Pro last Friday afternoon. It's absolutely wonderful. It's also absolutely silent.

    The 7300 card also isn't that bad either. I could play World of Warcraft at 1600x1200 at reasonably high settings. Expose worked very smoothly, overall the system's performance screams in comparision to Windows XP. Running stock setup like on Anand's review.
  • mycatsnameis - Monday, August 14, 2006 - link

    I see that Crucial is shipping 4 gig FB PC5400 DIMMs. I wonder if these can be used in a Mac Pro? In the past the max memory capacity that Apple has quoted (for pro or consumer machines) has generally been conservative and related more to the size of DIMMs that are generally available than any actual h/w limit. Reply
  • nitromullet - Friday, August 11, 2006 - link

    With boot camp and a Windows XP install, is the Mac Pro Crossfire capable? I don't imagine that OS X has drivers for that, but that wouldn't be the point anyway - use the Windows install for gaming and the OS X install for everything else... Reply
  • dcalfine - Saturday, August 12, 2006 - link

    I imagine that getting crossfire to work is a matter of simple firmware flashing. With SLI, the motherboard supports it, but the Mac OS doesn't. But because crossfire depends mostly on the crossfire card, flashing the card with Mac firmware, which often works with other cards, (see Strange Dog Forums,"> should allow it to work. I'd be interested in trying this, if I had the funding.

    Apple should be doing something to get dual- or even quad-gpu solutions on macs, since now each mac pro is a quad-processor.
  • tshen83 - Friday, August 11, 2006 - link

    Hey anandtech, the more interesting option for GPU is actually the QUAD 7300GT powering over 8 screens. I was wondering if Apple's OSX is able to push 3D or overlay stuff on all 8 screens like Linux could. Reply
  • michael2k - Friday, August 11, 2006 - link

    As far as I know, Apple's been able to do this for far longer than Linux could :) Reply
  • tshen83 - Friday, August 11, 2006 - link

    Hey anandtech, the more interesting option for GPU is actually the QUAD 7300GT powering over 8 screens. I was wondering if Apple's OSX is able to push 3D or overlay stuff on all 8 screens like Linux could. Reply
  • OddTSi - Thursday, August 10, 2006 - link

    Are there any plans for non-ad hoc, fast serial RAM or is Rambus the only one even attempting something like that with their new XDR memory? Reply
  • kobymu - Friday, August 11, 2006 - link

    There is QDR.... Reply

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