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anthropod 31st July 2007 07:14 PM

Out of shape beginner....need help :-)
I have been in the windsurfing world for 4 whole weeks now.

I have now been 8 times.... anyone impressed? Well I love it, and I am truly hooked.

One problem, I'm out of shape. I'm 6'1" (185.42 cm), 216 lbs (98 kg).
After only a few weeks I can tell that windsurfing works you pretty good.

My problem is that I am so hooked, I know I need to work out on the days I can't go so I am better on the days I can.

What exercises are the best to help you on the water?

Also, right now what gets the sorest are the bottoms of my feet... Is that weird?

I have flat feet and that might be my problem, but I think it has to do with balancing.

Thanks for any advice.

Roger 31st July 2007 07:47 PM

RE: Out of shape beginner....need help :-)
Hi Anthony, and welcome to the Starboard Windsurfing School Forum!
I suspect that the reason yoiu are "getting worked" has to do with how you are doing things, the gear your are using to learn, and perhaps the conditions you are trying to learn them in.
Have you taken some lessons, or are you "teaching yourself"?
Just like many other sports, there is an easy way to learn, or you can tough it out and try to teach yourself which takes 2 (or more) times as long and has a huge frustration factor.
Can you describe for us a few things, and perhaps we can suggest an easier way for you to learn the basics with provides a strong solid foundation for further progress.
How much wind are you sailing in (windspeed in knots if possible)?
What size board are you using? (brand/model/width and volume would be most helpful.
What brand/model sail are you learning on and what mast are you using (length/IMCS/weight or carbon percentage here please)?
Also,how many times do you fall in the water in each of your sailing sessions? A few, every time you need to turn around, lots of times between your turns?
The above questions are designed to determine your current skill levels, what gear you are on, what conditions you sail in so that we can give you solid advice that's going to work for you and give you some immediate solutions to problems you may be having.

Does your board have an EVA rubber deck pad, or are you learning on something with just non-skid?
My guess would be, having taught a ndred or more guys your size, that you are moving your feet around on the board and also trying to hold onto the deck with your feet. We will give you some techniques so that you place your feet in the correct positions and simply stnad there, not moving your feet at all.
Your feet do not need to be "attached to the board" and trying to hold onto the deck with your toenails is completely unnecessary, but most beginners (end especially larger guys) seem to think intuitively that they need to do this, rather than placing the feet comfortably, where they need to be to give the best fore and aft and side to side stability (i.e. over the centerline, both feet behind the mast foot BEFORE you apply any power)
When you learn to stay over the centerline, and do any "balancing" with your knees and hips, it all gets much easier and falling in the water happens a couple of times per session.
As far as exercises, anything that gives you a full body workout (rowing machines/ weights/ AB exerciers, etc) will help improve your overall stamina, but "time on the water" is the best conditioning.
Hope this helps,

ml 31st July 2007 08:43 PM

RE: Out of shape beginner....need help :-)
Roger has nailed it again :)

A few quick thoughts from a 245 lbs guy who just went through all of this relatively recently :)

(1) With your weight, watch how you are falling into shallow water. It is really easy to twist your ankle. At my age (45) I begin to notice, these things do not want to heal quickly at all and leave behind some nasty residual, arthritis-like pains.
(2) Loosing some wight in any way you can will be really good for you
(3) If you are having the same problem I had at first with wrist and elbow pains, the good news is, they eventually get used to the increased loads. I was initially suffering immensly at night, especially with some minor arthritis problems i have.
(4) The foot and back pains are mainly a function of poor posture and position on the board. These will go away really fast as you progress. real soon, you will be probably quite amazed as how efrotlessly you can do certain things that used to be such a pain.
(5) Limit your wind speed/wave height exposure at first. Strong wind/high wave combinations are not only a spirit killer for a beginner, but will leave you totally exhausted sometimes after just a few attempts to get on the board and uphaul. That too improves greatly with the technique improvements and the sense of balance you gain with time.
(6) If you are not using shoes, try it. I have water shoos with relatively rigid soles and that has helped me with my initial strong foot fatigue. Off course, it may be a required safety item, depending on the bottom in your area.

Windsurfing will teach you humility, as you body will be defeated by the weather time after time in the months and years to come, and you will be tested to your limits. However, that is exactly what makes it such a great sport. If you persevere, you will eventually get a very rewarding sense of accomplishment. And that is true at any skill level...

anthropod 1st August 2007 01:10 AM

RE: Out of shape beginner....need help :-)
Thanks for all the great help!

Here are a few answers to some questions.

1. I'm teaching myself. Lake Waccamaw is a great lake to windsurf on, but there is not really many folks that do it. I could not find a place to buy a board in a 75 Mile radius. Wilmington NC had several surf shops, but none of them had windsurfing gear. I ordered my gear online. I have a DVD and a subscription to a magazine. The only guy I could find to "teach" me has just had shoulder surgery and will be out of commission for a while.

2. Sailing in wind that is 3-10 knots ish. My first day I had the board I tried to sail in 18-21 knots. :-) Stupid, but I had a few 300 foot runs. The next day it was around 4 knots and I was able to stay on for a while. Now I can stay on the board and do basic tacks and jibes. (T&J's with 80% success rate.)

3. Equipment:
Board: Fanatic Viper 85. 85cm/220l,
Sail: Gaastra Pilot, 6.0
Mast: Fiberspar 3200 30% Carbon 420, IMCS 21

4. Don't fall off that much now. 20% of the time when I turn I fall off. (Basic no frill turns.)

5. I think I am moving my feet a bunch. I have not used the straps at all, and at this point, I would really need to move them for them to be useful to me.

"If you are having the same problem I had at first with wrist and elbow pains, the good news is, they eventually get used to the increased loads. I was initially suffering immensely at night, especially with some minor arthritis problems i have."

Good news.... I have had some issues with my elbows, wrists, and forearms...but I have also been hauling concrete blocks under my house....I didn't know what it was from I bet it was the windsurfing.

Thanks again for all the help.

Roger 1st August 2007 02:55 AM

RE: Out of shape beginner....need help :-)
Hi Anthropod,
OK, I looked up Lake Waccamaw on Google Earth.
Since yoiu are so close to the coast, why not head down there for a bit more wind?
As far as moving your feet around, where do you try to place your feet on the board after uphauling?
If you set your feet like I will describe, you should not need to move them at all. Until, of course, you are ready to mo0ve further back on your board. Leave the footstraps where they are, you will soon be back there and the location will make sense.
As far as the wrist/elbow problems, you guys are "hanging on for dear life" I would bet.
This tells me you are not balancing your rigs and you are working a couple of magnitudes harder because you aren't getting your rigs balanced BEFORE you add power.
Also, does you boom have a 1 1/8" grip diameter (std. smaller dia boom) or a larger 1 1/4" grip diameter?
The larger grip dia. may seem good for you, but it's one of the things that cause extra ordinary forearm/wrist/elbow problems.
What is the title of the DVD you are using?
That could tell us alot about what you are trying to do and whether that is appropriate for your equipment and your conditions.
According to my windsurfing physician, Advil (a little more than the bottle recommends i.e. 3 tablets) often will relax the hans/wrists/elbows and help with the evening pain from holding the boom way to tight for way too long.
Learn to simply balance the rig and then you can control it with just a couple of fingers hooked lightly over the boom.
You are big guys, and I'll bet you think windsurfing requires big muscles.
If that were true, them my 100 or so (per year) < 80 lbs. students would never be able to windsurf.
Give up on trying to out muscle moterh nature and learn to balance things first, then apply only enough power to make the board go it's fastest.
Sheting in more just increases the side force the rig can generate and basically kills the forward drive.
When in doubt, sheet out and then use one or 2 fingers on your back hand to just sheet in until you "feel the power" in both front and rear hands. Pulling things in any more than this just make you use alot of muscle and cannot make you go any faster until you are planing; in the footstraps; and hooked in. Then all the pull will go onto your harness and thru the big mucles in your thighs and calves, not thru your arms.
Come up to Cape Hatteras sometime and we'll have you doing things the easy way in no time.
Hope this helps,

anthropod 2nd August 2007 05:52 PM

RE: Out of shape beginner....need help :-)

Since you are so close to the coast, why not head down there for a bit more wind?
I really want to, and will. I live a couple of blocks back from the lake and have a dock so it is really easy to get there. My wife and I can be there and have it all rigged up in less than 15 min. When we feel more confident we will have to try somewhere on the coast.

"As far as moving your feet around, where do you try to place your feet on the board after uphauling?"

I think this is it. Also, where the straps are pictured is where I have them set. should I keep them there or move them to a more "basic" position?

Also, does you boom have a 1 1/8" grip diameter (std. smaller dia boom) or a larger 1 1/4" grip diameter?
It is the 1 1/8" diameter.

What is the title of the DVD you are using?
Basic Windsurfing "New school BEGINNERS and FREERIDE instructional DVD" by Flow

Can you suggest a better, or different DVD that could be helpful?

Sheeting in more just increases the side force the rig can generate and basically kills the forward drive.
Thanks for the great advice on sheeting more! I played with that on Wed and I truly could tell what you meant. I had been really trying to sheet a lot thinking I would go faster.

Roger 3rd August 2007 11:13 AM

RE: Out of shape beginner....need help :-)
Hi Anthony.
Tell me how you did your photo, and how I can move the feet to a better place.
If you place your feet as you have them in the photo, getting planing and not heading upwind all the time is goig to be difficult.
The rear foot should be further forward on the board (like between the front footstraps in your photo, but with the arch of your foot right over the fore/aft centerline of your board.
Unless you are really tall person, I think your feet (as depicted in your photo) are too far apart.
Trun your front foot so your toes face forward with your front foot 4-6" upwind of the mast foot and 4-6" behind the mast foot.
I'll have to see if I can find a copy of the DVD you have and perhaps offer some alternatives.
Yes, keep the straps were they are as your board isn't going to plane very easliy if you put them further forward.
It a strange situation as they are easier to get into when they are further forward, but that affect the fore and aft trim of your board too much and the board "plows along" becuase you don't have your weight far enough back to get the nose up and the planing surfaces inclined higher at the front.
Hope this helps,

anthropod 4th August 2007 04:44 AM

RE: Out of shape beginner....need help :-)
I did the feet thing in photoshop. Just in case you have it, here is the download link:

I think I understand the feet thing now and can't wait to get back out there.

Thanks for the strap advice as well!

Roly Gardner 5th August 2007 04:34 PM

RE: Out of shape beginner....need help :-)
Hi Anthropod, Hi Roger,

Roger has recently cured a basic problem I had by purely changing the position of my feet and therefore stance. It has had such a dramatic effect on my sailing that I want to share it with you- hope it works!

My main problem was that I was overly keen on getting the power on BEFORE getting my feet in the right place on the board. Your diagram shows exactly where my feet used be.

Now when uphauling I first get the mast up and the sail pointing directly downwind ie no power wharever, and the board across the wind which is at your back. Moving your rear foot to between where the front footstraps are and your front foot BEHIND the mast foot puts you in the correct stance. Picture a fencer (swordsman not construction worker!) with his rear foot at roughly 90 degrees with knee slightly bent and front foot pointing more forwards and straight at the knee.I find this more comfortable and more stable. THEN if you slowly put the power on by sheeting in with your back hand you begin to move off.

I am learning too so this is NOT gospel just my experience in trying to crack the basics. Roger got me doing this and many things have led off from it in a matter of 2 to 3 weeks including;more controlled steering;staying upwind;more comfortable stance so less pain in my back and arms;more stamina because it hurts less;even my first beach start yesterday.

Recommend the wet shoes too-much less pain. Best of luck!

Roger 5th August 2007 09:21 PM

RE: Out of shape beginner....need help :-)
Hi Roly,
Thanks for your input here.
Getting input and feedback from a sailor who is currently working to get beyond precisely the same issues and problems as the sailor who's asked the question is really the most relavent advice possible.
I only see one item in your post that I would take issue with.
Are you still "sheeting in" by pulling in with your back hand?
Want to make the "sheeting in" process even easier and more precise, as well as getting you ready for the next level (hooking in to a harness)?
Try this.......
Once you get your rig to the balance position (I'm not quite certain that you are really getting to a fully balanced position as big guys have alot of muscle so they have difficulty finding the tiny nuances of a truly "balanced on the mast foot" rig.
So, when you have moved your feet back and are in your comfortable stance (this will be very stable, so there's no hurry here) try this.
Tip the rig until the mast is vertical (front to back) but the mast extends well to the upwind side of the board (side to side). Take your hands off the boom and see what the rig does. If you "get it correctly balanced" the rig will simply stand there balanced like a top on the mastfoot. You can even clap your hands together and the rig will still be standing.
Now it's truly balanced, and you are ready to sheet in and go.
But, instead of "pulling in" with your back hand, try to rotate your upper body so your shoulders stay parallel with the center line (center of the mast to the centerline of the boom tailpiece at the clew) of the rig.
Only rotate about 5-10 degree, NOT MORE!
Your rig will power up and your board will sail away across the wind.
There is no need to sheet in more, unless you head your board upwind.
Use only 1 or 2 fingers on your back hand so you remain sensitive to when the rig is powered (sheeted in to the correct degree to make the maximum forward drive and the minimum sideways (downwind) force.
You will move alot faster, with alot less effort as you are now sheeting in so that you are always getting the best forward drive and the least sideways "pull". The sideways pull may seem like it's making your go faster, but until you are planing in the footstraps and sailing faster than the windspeed (on the apparent wind) sheeting in further than the max. forward drive angle just slows you down and uses up your energy fighting the sideways pull.
Hope this helps,

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if it was me, and this is just my personal openion here, but in the windspeeds people are talking about here, i think your best bet is gona be an aussie 18 with two light friends ;p very tough to beat those boats in such litle wind, so this is what i do since i A) dont have two light friends that i would trust to sail an aussie 18 with me, B) dont have an aussie 18, and c) dont have anywhere near enough spare coins to fork over to buy one, this is what i do...

5-10knts (gusts of 15 max) A) sit at home and grumble that is there is no wind, or B) sail a 29er with my friend.

10-15knts (gusts of 20 max) A)7.2/6.6 (both race sails) on 115L slalom board or B) have ALLOT more fun with my friend on his 29er.

15-20knts (gusts of 25 max) 6.6/ maybe 5.8 (race and freeride) if the base is in the high teens on 88L slalom board, or B) may take the 29er out if we are feeling lucky;p

20-25knts (gusts of 30 max) 5.8/maybe 4.8 (freeride sails) on the small slalom board again.

25-30knts (gusts of 35 max) 4.8 (freeride sail) same board.

after that 3.5 up to gusts of about 45knts but that happens once in every two or three years where i live so not much practrice for that set up...

the norm around here for a windsurfing day is probobly the 15-20 max of 25 so u can imagine i gruble allot at home !!! haha
take into consideration that i could easily use much bigger sails if i had them and if i wanted to for the same wind speeds, but i find it kind of tasteless in my openion to use such big sails with the entire leach twisting when a smaller sail could be used almost as if not with the same succes (for me anyways with my barely 70 kgs) and have a much easier time uphaling or water starting if the wind is constantly over 15knts (still kind of an ameture ;p )
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Exactly my point. It's hard to make recommendations if you don't know the goals of the sailor asking the questions. Free sailing or racing a formula board suggest two very different sail / fin needs.

Most formula sailors are committed racers and have learned to handle large sails in demanding conditions. If you are a formula free sailor, there is little reason to push yourself to be able to handle a 11-12m sail in 15-20 knots of wind.

The planing threshold in light winds (under 10 knots) is pretty hard to estimate. Since whitecaps begin to form at 10 knots, that's a pretty good measuring line, but if there are no whitecaps, then it's a guess for the most part. The consistancy of the wind is just as important. Generally for free sailing on my formula board with an 11.0, I need to see a an occasional whitecap to get me on the water. Otherwise, I don't know if it's blowing 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 knots. Since our wind is so variable where I live, if I see a few white caps, it is usually blowing between 4 & 14 knots. Planing most of the time, but do slog from time to time.
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Kirkpatrick is the author of "Century's Road," published by Holy Cow! Press. Her work has appeared in Prairie Schooner, Threepenny Review, Antioch Review and elsewhere, and has been anthologized, including in "She Walks in Beauty," edited by Caroline Kennedy.

Three of Kirkpatrick's poems open this month's issue of Poetry Magazine -- poems that will be included in "Odessa."

The poems of "Odessa" sprang from frequent trips Kirkpatrick has taken to Western Minnesota over the last seven years, where the prairie landscape, a diagnosis of a brain tumor and the myth of Persephone all came together in her mind.

"'Odessa' is a dark book, but not for me without a sense of hope and wonder," she said.

The finalists for the competition were selected by Milkweed editors, with the final selection made by poet Peter Campion.

"The emotional power of Kirkpatrick's poetic narrative corresponds here with her mastery of craft," Campion said in his judge's comments. "I am convinced that 'Odessa' will move its readers for many, many years to come."

The book will be published in December, and Milkweed will host a reading and reception for Kirkpatrick on Nov. 28 at Open Book in Minneapolis.

The Lindquist & Vennum Foundation was established by the Minneapolis law firm of Lindquist & Vennum. The award goes to poets in the Upper Midwest.

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The final regular season middle school track and meet was completed Wednesday afternoon at Kentucky State University.

Second Street continued its dominance on the boys side, winning with 155 points, followed by Bondurant with 74 points. Capital Day finished sixth, Franklin County 10th and Frankfort Christian Academy 11th.

On the girls side, Shelby County held off Capital Day 108 to 98. Second Street was next and FCHS came in seventh. TFCA was 10th.

Double winners included Second Street's Cameron Jouett and Josh Smith on the boys side and Capital Day's Lauren Ramsey and Emily Gardner for the girls.

Next up for the local middle school athletes is the county championships, set for Wednesday at KSU.

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April 10, 2008

Storms Paths(Columbia,SC)–Saturday evening, March 16, 2008, at least 17 confirmed tornadoes touched down across South Carolina. The South Carolina Forestry Commission has performed reconnaissance flights and ground checks to determine how much damage these storms caused.  SCFC personnel have clocked approximately 50 hours in the air and many hours on the ground conducting surveys.  This initial estimate shows at least $150,000.00 in damage to SC timber stands, primarily in Allendale, Orangeburg, Newberry, Williamsburg, Kershaw counties.  This is a conservative estimate based on the damage that has been confirmed so far, and the Forestry Commission believes there is much more widely spread damage that has gone unreported.  Landowners should contact their local Forestry Commission office to report significant timber losses to help complete a full assessment of the situation.

Tree damage in urban areas was mostly limited to single or small groups of trees broken or uprooted. The South Carolina Forestry Commission’s professional foresters are available to provide technical assistance to landowners, whose forests received significant damage from these storms, including information regarding timber salvage, reforestation assistance, forest pest concerns, and hazard tree identification.  To find their local SCFC office, property owners can visit

Damage has been confirmed on approximately 750 forested acres. In Allendale and Williamsburg Counties, damage was most evident in pine plantations that were recently thinned. Because damage from severe weather is scattered and sometimes difficult to locate, landowners and managers are encouraged to check their forestland and advise the Forestry Commission when damage is found.

Storm damage can be particularly devastating to private forest landowners that can lose a majority of their timber assets in one event. Even light to moderate damage can increase the susceptibility of standing timber to certain insects, diseases, and wildfires.

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Bullying: ‘Alive and Well’ at Penn State and Other College Campuses

by on October 14, 2010 6:27 AM

The recent suicide of Rutgers student Tyler Clementi has reignited discussion about bullying. Clementi’s roommate and another Rutgers student used hidden cameras not only to humiliate Tyler, but also to share that humiliation with the rest of the World Wide Web. This young man’s torment and his family’s indescribable loss may serve to bring about changes in how our culture looks at bullying.

In addition to the focus on cyberbullying, Clementi’s suicide demonstrates that bullying is not just a function of middle school or high school. Bullying is alive and well on college campuses.

As a university faculty member and a parent, I have seen it myself. Students using Facebook to denigrate their peers. Use of websites, such as the now-defunct, to identify who are the “sluts” of each sorority or which fraternity brothers might be gay. A personal e-mail or text message that’s forwarded to a student’s social group to embarrass and humiliate.

These are not 12-year-olds on a playground, picking on the nerdy kid during a kickball game. These are educated, young adults at a major university who are acting out their own insecurities through the Internet.

Bullying as a potentially lethal phenomenon came into the national limelight in the '90s after school shootings at high schools like Columbine and Paducah, Ky., revealed that the perpetrators had been bullied prior to the incidents. Bullying has been extensively researched since we began to understand that kids who experience repeated mocking and physical aggression from others may demonstrate extreme behaviors, but will always be harmed by these acts. It has largely been assumed that bullying decreases as kids develop and mature. We assumed they “grow out of it.”

Bullying at college has historically been defined by “hazing”—specific behaviors that have to do with seeking membership in groups such as Greek organizations, sports teams and secret societies and in military-related programs (such as ROTC).

Then came the Internet.

In 2004, a major study on college bullying asked college students about bullying. A questionnaire designed by Dan Olweus, a Norwegian expert on bullying, asked students if they had witnessed, participated in or had been a victim of bullying at college. Olweus defines bullying behaviors as having three characteristics: aggressive or intentional harm, occurring repeatedly and over time, and in a relationship where there is an imbalance of power. The results suggested that a significant number of students had witnessed bullying behaviors, including some bullying by teachers. Sixty percent of the students surveyed witnessed bullying by peers and five percent reported being victimized by fellow students on a regular basis. This research challenges the notion that bullying decreases as kids get older. In fact, bullying at college is a growing concern.

What makes young adults bully? What motivates a college-aged woman to sit at her computer and blast another girl on Facebook? What motivates a male student to go on the Internet and rate a girl he may or may not even know as a “whore”? What motivates a student to videotape his roommate in a compromising position and then broadcast that videotape to the rest of the world?

The experts at identify causes of bullying. Boredom and ignorance can be a factor. A student with some downtime posts something online that he or she thinks is funny without thinking of the consequences. A university community the size of Penn State can imply anonymity; anonymity can bring out the worst in us.

Other students bully in defense of a peer or friend who he or she believes has been wronged or even bullied by someone else. The communal living and “group dynamics” of roommates, dorm floors, apartments and other college housing can feed the groupthink effect. I was just doing it to defend my friend.

Most of the time, however, bullying takes place because the bully feels powerless and insecure. Sadly, the “power bully” usually needs an audience to feel more important. The Internet meets that need perfectly. It’s not always the “fat kid” or “the gay kid” or the “nerd” who is the victim of bullying. Sometimes it’s the popular kid. With adolescents, particularly females, there is often the urge to try to bring down the peer who is seen as confident, as a way of feeling powerful.

The developmental issues of early adulthood and the immediate access and gratification of the Internet can be a bad combination. The victims of college bullying experience the same harmful effects as an elementary student bullied on the school bus. Fear that no one will listen to the complaint. Fear that telling will aggravate the aggression. Feelings of helplessness and hopelessness. Fear of loss of friendship or status—particularly if that person is a fraternity brother or roommate. Add on the additional pressures of managing the transition from high school to college, embarrassment and the pressure to handle the situation as an independent "adult," and it becomes overwhelming.

At Penn State, the Code of Conduct clearly identifies bullying behaviors as cause for disciplinary action, including expulsion. Our job as faculty and as parents is to enforce the code. I have not reported the students I have seen engaging in bullying behaviors in the past either because I wasn’t thinking “bullying can happen at college” or because the student being bullied asked me not to. It’s difficult to regulate because of fears of stepping on free-speech rights. Sometimes the bullying behavior is insidious, such as a post with hidden meaning on Facebook. We need to do a better job. Everyone deserves the right to earn an education in a safe and healthy environment.

My sympathies and prayers go out to the family and friends of Tyler Clementi. May this tragedy be a wake-up call for all of us.

Patty Kleban is an instructor at Penn State, mother of three and a community volunteer. She is a Penn State Alumna. Readers of State College Magazine voted her Best Writer of 2010 and 2012. She and her family live in Patton Township. Her views and opinions do not necessarily reflect those of Penn State.
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This home is immaculately presented with modern quality furniture & beds. Offering a large open plan living area, huge chais sofa, 55" Plasma TV/DVD player, FOXTEL, coffee table. Large 10pp dining table in meals area plus another large flat screen TV, equipped kitchen with dishwasher and breakfast bench with 4 stools. Cd player/ Radio with iphone. We now have Wi-Fi for the professionals wanting time away with work commitments or to get the children out of our hair for a while.

Just off meals area is sliding door out to a massive paved outdoor area fully undercover and complete with pvc awnings. This area is outlined with a dining setting, outdoor lounge suite and a gas BBQ. Not only is this facility a relaxing feature of the house, we have heated lamps for added comfort, that can be activated, with a flick of a switch. For the big kids their is a table tennis table and fully enclosed rear yard with trampoline safe for kids. Fully manicured gardens with privacy.

Bdrm 1: 1xQB, WIR, ensuite with shower & toilet, A/C, ceiling fan, 32" LCD TV, alarm clock radio with iphone.
Bdrm 2: 1xQB, BIR, A/C, alarm clock radio with iphone.
Bdrm 3: 4xSB (2 bunks) BIR, A/C
Bdrm 4: 1xQB, BIR, A/C,alarm clock radio

Study/2nd living area: Desk, 32" LCD TV/DVD with Foxtel, sofa, A/C

(Total Beds 7: 3xQB, 4xSB)

Patio area has 10pp dining table and relaxing soft cushined lounge chairs and coffee table. While the kids play table tennis or on the trampoline.
Main bathroom has a shower and bath tub and there is a separate toilet.
Laundry has washing machine, dryer and ironing equipment.
Double remote garage for 2 cars and off street parking for a further 2 cars (4 cars total off street).
Strictly no pets permitted.
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Easy drive to Peninsula wineries, Golf Courses and Peninsula Hotsprings. Take a drive to Dromana hub were you can relax with a coffee and watch the day go by.

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For the parents looking for freedom, why not take the children to the park which is located 100m away. Great quiet street with beautiful gardens. What are you waiting for ?

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Steamboat Marathon

Sun. Jun. 7, 2015

7:30 AM - 12:00 PM

Routt County Courthouse, 522 Lincoln Ave

34th Annual Steamboat Marathon, Half Marathon & 10K

Run alongside the roaring Elk River through the emerald green pastures on Country Road 129 with the snow-capped Rocky Mountains of Colorado all around and find out why the Steamboat Marathon was ranked as one of the “Top 10 Destination Marathons in North America.”

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"The Steamboat Marathon is a unique combination of beautiful scenery and extraordinary people, which makes this race fun for everyone who participates,” says Paul Sachs, the Steamboat Marathon Race Director.

"Runners from all over the country look forward to the Steamboat Marathon because it is still a relatively small race with a hometown feel and it’s a race where every runner counts."

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Early check-in and late check-out available. Shuttle available to the marathon pickup location.

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The Steamboat Marathon will be teaming up with the Marathon Maniacs and Half Fanatics Pace Team in 2015. The pacers have literally run hundreds of races. These pacers are some of the most experienced runners in the world. Running 26.2 and 13.1 is their passion. Their confidence will put you at ease while being paced to your personal bests.

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Run for a Reason! For the second year in a row, the Steamboat Marathon is bringing awareness and support to kids battling cancer through a charity partnership with Children’s Hospital Colorado (team name “Miles for Tuesday”). 100% of the funds raised will go directly to Children’s Hospital Colorado Center for Cancer and Blood Disorders in support of families being treated right here in Colorado.

Join the (local) fight against childhood cancer, and consider getting involved through one of the three ways below:

  1. Make a donation to Children’s Hospital Colorado as part of your Steamboat Marathon registration
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About Children’s Hospital Colorado Center for Cancer and Blood Disorders

Children’s Hospital Colorado Center for Cancer & Blood Disorders (CCBD) provides around-the-clock care to children in a seven state region and beyond. CCBD physicians treat 200 to 250 new patients each year and follow 600 active patients as well as 600 long-term survivors annually. The Center is the only dedicated pediatric cancer center in our region, and it is home to numerous specialized programs, which provide state-of-the-art methods for diagnosing and treating complex diseases. As a top-10 cancer program in the nation, CCBD aspires to be the very best.

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Miles for Tuesday is comprised of runners of all experience levels with one common goal… running in local Colorado events to raise funds in support of kids battling cancer at Children’s Hospital Colorado. Miles for Tuesday was named in honor of Tuesday Whitt from Castle Rock, CO who lost her battle to neuroblastoma (a childhood cancer) at the age of 2, and whose courageousness has inspired so many. Since 2009 runners have been joining Miles for Tuesday, and have collectively raised over $125,000 for the CCBD in memory of Tuesday Whitt.

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Chicken run

There's more to this competition than just 'winging it'

With 35 minutes left in the Cluck Off, the first chicken wing-eating contest at the Tap House Thursday, Aaron Murphey's elbows were on the table and his hands were cupped around his forehead.

The goal for the seven competitors taking part in the event was to eat the most chicken wings in an hour. The winner got to ride home on a brand new yellow cruiser bicycle customized with Fat Tire beer decals by New Belgium Brewery.

Murphey, a 16-year-old Steamboat resident, was in the lead. He inhaled 50 wings in the 17 minutes after Tap House owner Dave Daggett thumbed the stopwatch to start the competition.

Now Murphey was slipping.

"Do you get disqualified if you puke?" asked competitor Walter Copeland, while eying Murphey from across the table. Copeland and his friend Alex Epp were both far behind, with maybe 30 wings eaten.

"Yes you do," Daggett said. "And you have to leave the Tap House after you clean it up."

There was no talking when the competition started. The only sound was the chewing of meat and the sucking of chicken bones. Now chatter began with competitors, focused on Murphey.

"Oh, he's gonna to boot," said Ben Truitt, sitting to Murphey's left.

"Yea, he's gonna boot," agreed Ben's brother, Nick.

Nick said he vomited after the qualifying round on Sunday, which saw 18 people compete. So the Truitt boys, each around six or seven years older than Murphey, ordered a pitcher of beer 10 minutes into the competition and were taking a back seat, enjoying the wings.

"I feel fine," Murphey insisted. "Good enough to beat these guys."

He motioned to two of his friends sitting to the right of him, Carter Dunham and Cooper Howard.

But with 30 minutes to go, both Dunham and Howard had passed Murphey and were neck and neck with about 55 wings eaten. The rest of the field was nowhere near that mark.

The boys had perfected a unique style of wing eating that proved to be paying off. Instead of sucking the meat off the bones, they used their fingers to scrape the chicken meat from off of four wings and gathered the meat into a pile.

Dunham used his fingers to eat the meat while Howard used a fork.

At 22 minutes left, Howard took the lead by eating 65 wings. He was then served 80 wings. He scraped wing 67, 68, 69 and 70 and slowly began eating the meat.

Howard said he prepared for the competition by going to Wing Night on Tuesday but admitted that he really doesn't eat large portions of food at one time.

Dunham had slowed, too, with about 63 wings eaten. Murphey had stopped.

"There just isn't enough room," Murphey said, now in better spirits.

A standoff between the leaders, each who had taken on a sickly green color, lasted for about 15 minutes, while the rest of the field steadily picked at their plates.

"I'm waiting for him (Howard), to go (vomit)," Dunham said. Being in second place, a disqualification for Howard would make Dunham the winner.

At seven minutes left, Dunham realized that waiting it out wouldn't produce him the win.

He also realized that if he ate just a few more wings, he'd be able to take the lead. So Dunham began eating again, rapidly. That lasted for about 30 seconds; then he was the one with his head in his hands.

With five minutes to go, Dunham was "ejecting" himself out of the competition into a bucket between his knees. Howard was on his feet, distancing himself, until Daggett stopped the watch.

According to the rules, Howard had to keep the 70 wings he ate down for five minutes until he officially won, which he did by walking.

"I feel really bad," the 170-pounder said after winning. "That was the longest five minutes of my life."

However, he said he is not swearing off chicken wings.

"They are one of my more favorite foods. I'll eat them eventually." he said. "I'll come back next year to do it. I have to defend my title."

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Steelers Injury Report: G Ramon Foster Suffers Pectoral Injury In Loss

The Pittsburgh Steelers are now 0-4 following there loss Sunday in London to the Minnesota Vikings and they may have lost another offensive lineman as well.

During his post-game press conference, head coach Mike Tomlin said left guard Ramon Foster suffered a pectoral injury of some kind during the game and that it will need to be evaluated.

Also according to Tomlin, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger suffered an injury to the index finger on his throwing hand in the fourth quarter. Roethlisberger did finish the game, however.

Safety Da’Mon Cromartie-Smith suffered a left quad injury in the game and linebacker Kion Wilson suffered a hamstring injury.

Rookie wide receiver Markus Wheaton broke a fifth finger on his hand during the game but Tomlin said he was able to return.

The Steelers have a bye next week and then will face the New York Jets in week six.

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  • Mkeller

    The Jets off a bye. Not that a win will do a damn thing other than give them a win. But if they don’t win that then they will have officially become the worst team in the NFL. It’s a sad state of affairs.

  • Fire.Mike.Tomlin

    Will become?
    LOL. You’re 2 weeks late to the party.

  • Mkeller

    Not willing to anoint them over the Jags just yet. Close….but not yet.

  • sean mcmartin

    now we have Whimper, Gilbert, Adams starting..Time to take chances with other teams Practice squads..someone is trying to hide a starter.

  • treeher

    It was the defense today that lost the game.

  • RW

    The offensive line wasn’t so great, either.

  • pittsburghjoe

    We can all breathe a sigh of relief knowing Obama care is here to help these needy individuals.

  • Chad H

    Don’t forget the Rooney family puts money and supports that guy. He is as good at being President as Tomlin is at head coaching.

  • pittsburghjoe

    Every ticket sale is a campaign contribution.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    good point

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Hard to be worse then the Jags.

  • RW

    You’re an idiot.

  • RW

    If only we played them to find out…

  • pittsburghjoe

    Just realistic. Don’t be mean because Im right.

  • jtw

    Instead of Suck for Luck the Steelers need a suck for an offensive tackle campaign for next years draft.
    Clark and Cortez killed the defense this game. Clark keeps trying to blow people up and missing assignments

  • Bob Loblaw

    Ben frequently had room to step up in the pocket and they were facing one of the best pass rushers in the league. Not saying they should win any awards, but it wasn’t all bad.

  • GunsDontKillWoodleyKills

    Please explain how….

  • pittsburghjoe

    Rooney is a huge contributor to his campaign. The more money Rooney gets, the more money Obama gets. Not to mention nice appointments (i.e. throw a complimentory ambassadorship his way)

  • Chad H

    He is an idiot because he based his statement on facts.
    Funny you must be a liberal because when you are wrong you resort to name calling.

  • GunsDontKillWoodleyKills

    So being that I am a Steelers ticket holder, I should give up my tickets if I don’t agree with Obama? You interested in buying them?

  • RedCarpetDefense

    Ben will not finish the season behind this O-line.

  • Chad H

    Looking at the rest of the schedule I believe we will finish 4 and 12.
    We will have a top 5 draft pick and a new system to learn with the exit of Haley and maybe Tomlin. It is also possible Dick is gone after this season.

  • CrazyTerry

    You are idiots because all you morons do is inject politics. Get over your insane hatred.

  • retiredmd7

    More lies, utter stupidity and hypocrisy! You clearly know NOTHING about the ACA. Virtually every comment and criticism made by the lying Republicans concerning Obamacare is deceit and typical fear mongering (ie Death Panels), designed to persuade the ignorant American public not to support the law. What are the Republicans afraid of? That the majority of the public will come to appreciate the ACA? Or that the insurance exchanges include voter registration making the Republican effort to disenfranchise voters more difficult?

  • CrazyTerry

    The Rooneys supported republicans too. Seriously, are we going to go after who they support politically just because you are pissed at their team?

  • CrazyTerry

    Foster was havin a bad year. But where his injury hurts is we can no longer use Beachum at LT. Adams was so clearly the weak link on a much improved offense that I wanted to strangle the coaches for being so blind to notice this for weeks. You want to fix the team? Start with Adams going to the right side as a backup. Denver’s BACKUP LT was better than Adams when their starting LT went down.

  • CrazyTerry

    maybe you should go support the Redskins or the Cowboys whose owners did not support obama. What a bunch of morons we have today. Keep politics out of this. Last time , I checked, Lebeau had full control of this defense and as a unit, they were 100% responsible for this loss. Adams may have been the worst individual player, but the D has been showing signs of this for weeks. We just did not notice it as much because our O was worse in past weeks.

    I see some racist idiots here who cant stick to bashing Tomlin for his mistakes alone. Hell, I bash Tomlin for some really stupid moves. But I dont link it with Obama.

  • CrazyTerry

    They were passable. It was Adams who stunk up the joint. Adams grade : F-
    Rest pof the OL: C

  • retiredmd7

    Sure, lets turn over the country to the likes of Cruz, Paul, Cantor, Ryan and the rest of the Tea Party hypocrites and liars who would rather damage the economy with a shut down than enforce a law passed by both houses of Congress, reaffirmed by the 2012 presidential election and ratified by the Supreme Court. Or the likes of McCain and Graham who want to go to war with Iran tomorrow. Or the rest of the right-wing Republican scumbags who NEVER sought accommodation, negotiation or bipartisanship with Obama. Their primary concerns were and remain destruction of the Obama presidency no matter the cost to the nation while pushing for tax reductions for wealthy individuals and corporations while gutting Medicare and Social Security.
    I thought the gross ineptitude, deceit and incompetence under G W Bush, the worst president in a century, was bad. However, the Tea Party represents an even greater potential danger to the welfare of this nation. Should they come to power, this country will become a second-rate nation economically, socially, educationally and, ultimately, militarily. Just like our Steelers.

  • SteelersDepot

    Knock of the politics. Talk football or go somewhere else.

  • Nolrog

    The Jets had a rough game today, but they haven’t been all that bad. Their defense is pretty good in fact, and if they QB was decent, they could clock in 8 or 9 wins. The thing that worries me, is that (if I remember correctly) Tomlin doesn’t have his teams well prepared the week after the bye.

  • joe

    they look a lot better then the Giants or the Jags
    the are scoring points but the O-line only has a couple of good drives
    and the defense is missing tackles

  • HopalongCassidy

    Sorry pal, you’re the low-information voter.

  • RW

    He is (and you are) an idiot because he throws politics into a message board about the Steelers, and has everyone on here up in arms. Aside from the fact that there were no facts, this is ridiculous.

  • T R

    Please no.. i dont not want to embarrass us and play them or the Giants.

  • T R

    thats what i will do.. just start cutting and grabing practice squaders..

  • RW

    DeCastro and (surprisingly) Gilbert were good. The rest of the line was below average in my opinion. And just having one lineman play the way Adams did constitutes a poor game overall.

  • Shannon Stephenson

    Dont want to know the outcome…lol

  • Shannon Stephenson

    or any game that comes on Sunday or Monday and sometimes Thursday.

  • Chad H

    You are so correct.
    Passed by all democrats in both houses. Americans said no and guess what we got it.

    Sorry we are all Steelers fans here and you are entitled to your opinion but that was the biggest rumblings of bullshit I have ever read.
    Kool-aid anyone .

  • Rob

    Yep gas prices less than half of what they are now, unemployment under 5% an economy that was growing instead of shrinking yep that was all bad. But hey don’t let the facts get in your way. Lets just continue to destroy the energy infrastructure in this country, never mind that we have 300 years worth of coal, instead lets continue to throw money at things like Solindra and spend as much every year as G.W. spent in eight while fighting a war.

  • r4kolb

    When are HIS teams ever well prepared? He rode Cowhers teams his first couple years. This is HIS team for the most part now.

  • WilliamSekinger

    Well, this looks like a great thread to stay away from…

  • Dan

    There were several plays where Adams caused us to “lose” on the play. If Adams would have held his block, decided who to block, or at least yelled at Ben that somebody is coming, on any of those plays, the whole game could have been different.

  • 70’s Fan

    Why in the hell can’t someone disagree with Tomlin without you and others on this forum calling them racist or worse? I don’t give a shit what color he is. He and a lot of other Steeler employees are doing a lousy job right now.


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Cruise Your Illusion, the new album from stoned punkers Milk Music, marks the moment where the band leaps completely out of the wilds of the Pacific Northwest DIY scene into the larger world, the one where they start using labels and publicists and other such bourgie tools. The band recorded the album live to four-inch tape, and it’s still got plenty of their sneery murk working for it, but it’s also got more than its share of draggy classic-rock melodies and honest-to-god triumphant guitar solos. We’ve posted the early songs “I’ve Got A Wild Feeling” and “Cruising With God,” and now the whole album is streaming over at Pitchfork.

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When the EBA gets a fourth turn at bat this year, the authority can -- and should -- make use of a growing body of knowledge and experience regarding stress tests.

The Federal Reserve’s 2012 stress tests of U.S. banks suffered from some of the same weaknesses as the ones it conducted last year.

We hope the same won’t hold true of the European Banking Authority, which has delayed another round of exams of the region’s banks until 2013, after failing to credibly carry out its supervisory mandate in 2011.

The EBA’s swing-and-a-miss followed similar disappointing performances in 2009 and 2010 by its predecessor in this role, the Committee of European Banking Supervisors. Now, euro-area banks are deleveraging, deepening the recession by starving European companies of financing. They also lack the capital to support an eventual recovery in the region. Until the capital shortfall is measured and addressed, there will be no end to the twin sovereign and banking crises in the euro area.

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When And Where Lyrics

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When And Where It's a busy day, I'm a busy man
Gotta hectic schedule and my whole week's planned
People say I'm hard to reach
But she knows how to get ahold of me

I can tell it's her by the way the phone rings
When she calls I drop everything
Snaps her fingers and I'm there
Hello darllin' when and where

Climbing ladders, punching clocks
Love and money it's a paradox
I'm motivated as the next guy
But man's gotta prioritize

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The Quietest Mutiny Or Dear Leader for you, darling, I’ll wear this smile
I will walk that long extra mile and I’ll pretend we’re tight as friends
ass over tits, baby, I’ll bend but it’s an act
behind your back, it’s just a means to an end
I ain’t saying nothing to your face
I tell you, darling, mum’s the word
ain’t saying nothing lest you get hurt and I’ll falsify my loyalty
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it won’t be easy because you’re a prick, I hate your fucking guts
I’ll show up everyday, for sure
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Who wants to believe?

In a new day
What do you say?
There's no room no need to compromise
There's an open ended dream ready and waiting on the inside

When the heart is strong
And the morning comes and your spirits free
To take on tomorrow
Do you see yourself, beyond that place
Where you know you started from
Bring on the sun
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Take a lifetime to remember
Take a minute to forget
Like the eyes of a child rejoices, love lifts them away

In the presence
Of our innocence
Was the truth or who do you follow
Where's the shelter when you feel
Scared and alone in your sorrow

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It's all in what you got inside
Leave nothing to hide
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