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Things we learned from Brad Treliving’s chat with Bob McKenzie

The Young Stars Classic tournament is good fun. Not only is it a great chance to see prospects in action, but TSN’s legendary broadcaster Bob McKenzie does his annual lengthy chats with Canadian general managers. His chat with Brad Treliving is 51 minutes long and hits a lot of marks that you’d expect it to, with Treliving holding his cards close to his chest.

But here are a handful of things that McKenzie got out of Treliving that were a bit illuminating.

Treliving sought out an established, experienced number one goalie.

“We felt we needed somebody that had been there as a number one guy. Mike has done that.”

Treliving gave much of his “usual” answer about how athletic and motivated Mike Smith is and the low odometer on him given his age, but this was about as blunt as the Flames’ general manager has been about what he was looking for in the goaltender market.

Glen Gulutzan and Jordan Sigalet contributed to the decision to acquire Eddie Lack.

“Our goaltending coach Jordan Sigalet spent, this was a project for him for the last number of months is just looking at every available goaltender out there, watching clips of their last couple of years. He felt with some tweaks we could get Eddie back to the Eddie that was in Vancouver.”

Given that Gulutzan had Lack in Vancouver, him providing intel is logical. But the Flames utilizing both (a) their extensive video library and (b) their goalie coach to target potential backups was a pretty interesting detail.

The Travis Hamonic trade was as much about loading up the blueline as it was about properly slotting the kids into the NHL roster.

“We needed to solidify our top four. We feel we’ve got some young kids coming. It’s unrealistic at this time to place them or put them in a role where they’re going to be relied on in a top four role.”

The trade gives them the ability to transition the kids and shelter them on the bottom pairing, rather than having to play them over their heads out of necessity. (McKenzie paired together Stone and Bartkowski when asking a question about Stone, but Treliving cautioned that there are kids pushing for the six and seven spots.)

Matthew Tkachuk worked on his strength and his quickness over the summer.

Remember the three or four partial breakaways that Tkachuk got caught by defenders on during the season? Apparently Tkachuk does, because he trained with Gary Roberts over the summer. He apparently weighs about the same, but the distribution of the weight is likely different now.

Mark Jankowski is on the cusp of being an NHLer.

“He’s, to me, checked all the boxes. He should be pushing now for a job. … He’s doing all the things guys do when they make the step to the NHL.”

Treliving said he hates singling guys out, but Jankowski is the guy he’s most interested to see in main camp.

The Flames are likely holding onto their cap space as an insurance policy.

Right after discussing holding a couple roster spots open for kids on purpose, Treliving mentioned that sometimes you’re waiting on a young player and they’re not ready yet. The cap space they have allows them some flexibility to add at the trade deadline, or even early in the season if a player they’re hoping to take a step in camp doesn’t do it.

  • Skylardog

    Only thing that struck me was the influence of Sigalet and GG in acquiring Lack. Here’s hoping this isn’t another Grossman GG has close ties to. We have all been questioning Sigalet over the last season or 2. Not exactly the recommendations I was hoping for in picking a goalie.

    Maybe GG can get this one right.

      • BringtheFire 2.0

        I don’t know. HIller and Ramo were never gonna work. Elliott didn’t want to be here and Johnson was a backup, interchangeable with someon like Lack.

          • piscera.infada

            Elliott wanted to be back

            How do you know that? No one really knows either way, but it is somewhat reasonable to assume that the way everything ended last season, parting ways was likely what both parties wanted.

          • TheoForever

            @ piscera
            Because he indicated it. I can only find the following quote from Elliott after game 4, referring to possible contract talks:
            ‘I hope that doesn’t go into the decision. We’ve all been around this game long enough to know it’s a body of work and not just a couple of games here and there….’

          • Skylardog

            Spoke to a Flames staff member. He indicated that the parting was mutual. He said Elliott sat by himself, and did not interact with teammates. Not saying that is a bad thing for a goalie, but not really the culture the Flames have developed.

          • Skylardog

            I don’t know that answer. Not sure if he just felt like he never fit in or whether this was his personality. The very bad start may have made him feel like an outsider though. Tough on a guy when he feels he is letting his team down, even harder when it is a new team.

        • oilcanboyd

          Saw an interview with Elliott after season ended and he said he would have liked to come back , but that Tre told him that the team was going in a different direction. Problem with Johnson was that he felt he played his best game even when he was lit up…

    • supra steve

      I would think that GG and Sigalet also had something to do with parting ways with Grossmann and Elliott last season? GG also had to have had something to do with letting Chiasson walk. This assumption that GG has undying love for players that he has coached in the past seems like it really is not a thing.

      • piscera.infada

        Doesn’t fit the tidy narrative though. “Everything bad, is GG… Everything good is purely coincidence”.

        As for Sigalet. If someone actually wants to tell me that they have any real idea how to assess the job of a goalie coach, then I guess I’ll defer to them.

        • TheoForever

          ….most people would look at performance of a goalie and if he gets better under his direction….
          …since no goalie ever has gotten better with Sigalet, assumption is made…………
          It could be wrong to make such an assumption, but if he isn’t making people better why is he there?

          • Baalzamon

            Ortio’s best season ever was under Sigalet while he was with the Heat. Sigalet was also Calgary’s goalie coach when Hiller posted a .918 sv% (his best season in four years) and Ramo had a solid .912 (his best season ever).

          • supra steve

            So, it was Sigalet who was responsible for Elliot’s horrible start, then his ending the season strong, then him really sucking in the playoffs?

            Also for Johnson’s strong first half, then his so so second half.

            How did he pull that off?

          • TheoForever

            Hiller goes from good to bad. Johnson goes from good to bad.
            Elliot goes bad – good – bad. Ramo is consistently ok.
            Most of it is on the goalie, but the coach is there to help him along and get most out of him.
            Not every coach is compatible with every player, that’s a fact. As an example Lack and his struggles, everybody is blaming ‘the change in style due to the goalie coach’s influence’.
            People are hoping that Sigalet can fix that.
            It is clear that some coaches work best with some players due to style, communication, chemistry. etc. If the two don’t work well together, as in show positive results then you change one either goalie or coach, sometimes both.
            In case of Sigalet, one cannot show a Flames goalie that has drastically improved under his tutelage.

          • Skylardog

            I really was thinking more of the Grossman signing and him playing early in the season. Sigalet has been a target of many on here, whether right or wrong, but I tend to believe that goalies since Kipper seem to run into a career ending or near ending disasters here in Calgary.

        • BendingCorners

          Hard to measure since the biggest impact on a goalie’s numbers (besides his own performance) is how well the team in front of him plays defense. The Flames have a done a poor-to-average job of that the past few years so only an elite goalie should have been expected to have good numbers. Elliott, Johnson and Ramo would all look better this year because our defense is better and the forwards have a better more structured game – and more talent. If Smith and Lack are still even average goaltenders their numbers should look above-average.

          • Baalzamon

            The Flames have a done a poor-to-average job of that the past few years so only an elite goalie should have been expected to have good numbers.

            The thing is, that argument doesn’t really work for last season. The Flames were top ten in the league in both scoring chance and high danger chance suppression last season.

          • BendingCorners

            Baalzamon, can you point me to your source? Our bottom three defensemen last year were pretty bad so the team having top-10 stats in shot suppression would be a surprise. Overall I think they were #14 which isn’t bad, so maybe it was just the goalies. Dennis and two others were on the ice for 20-25 minutes a night though, so replacing them could lead to a massive improvement.

          • Baalzamon

            naturalstattrick has such numbers though the vanilla scoring chance numbers seem a bit suspicious. Nevertheless, the Flames rank 9th in HDCA/60. Basically it just illustrates how good the top three D were last year (and how good they look to be for next season, considering the problem players are all gone and upgraded).

          • BendingCorners

            You’re correct Baalzamon. According to that web site the Flames major problems last year were goalies that had trouble stopping the puck and skaters that had trouble shooting from HD areas in the OZ. The team may have fixed one end but unless they expect their young players to simply be better, there is still a problem up front. Too many passers not enough shooters. Sometimes volume matters.

  • McRib

    “McKenzie paired together Stone and Bartkowski when asking a question about Stone, but Treliving cautioned that there are kids pushing for the six and seven spots”

    Treliving has been so reluctant to give secondary prospects NHL spots the last few years, but I am fine with it, because it was explainable (our top young prospect weren’t ready). That said if Matt Bartowski gets a spot this year over Brett Kulak, Andersson, etc I am going to seriously start doubting if he will ever be willing to turn it over to younger players.

    I like this answer though from Treliving, it sounds like he thinks some of these younger players are ready, I just hope they get a shot. Brett Kulak in particular would have been a better performer down the stretch over Bartkowski last year.

  • Fan the Flames

    A lot of people talking about the Flames goaltending and it has been inconsistent since Kipper hung them up but a big part of the poor goaltending has to rest with the lack of depth on defence . Last year we endured Wideman Jokipaka, Grossman , these 3 made England look good and he was pretty marginal .

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    Nice work Ryan. Been a long time member, posting for the first time since the website changed. I listened to the full 53 minutes on TSN but you did well on drilling down some important messages. I, for one, am super excited about the upcoming season. I believe we have a legit starter in Smith for the first time since Kipper. We have a defense that can play efficient, puck moving game to complement his and our top two forwards will be amongst the top in the league given a familiar system and training camp. I also think a line of Chucky, Bennett and Versteeg will be dominant.
    We are looking good.

  • Ivan Drago

    Flames goalie situation is a dumpster fire as usual since kipper retired. That’s ok though it’s an overrated position. Lots of cup winning teams have had poor goaltending.


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    Heading to Pecatonica swap meet?

    Next weekend, April 24-25, 2010...

    Just wondering who is going. I picked up an R75/7 project a couple weeks ago so I'm thinking that I have to go. I'm looking for handlebars, a seat, maybe some handlebar controls, clutch, brake, and throttle cables, and whatever else I find that I can't live without like an "S" fairing or ???

    The downside is that I'll have to go in my cage so I can bring whatever I find home. The upside is that my cage is a new-to-me 545i (Titan Silver like my RT!), so the trip will at least be tolerable.

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    hope to see you there we are only about 60 miles from there . It's a good swap meet have gone the last 4 or 5 years this is the 2nd year for a 2 dayer I like it much better

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Discussion in 'iOS Programming' started by alibozorgkhan, Aug 11, 2009.

  1. alibozorgkhan macrumors newbie

    Aug 11, 2009
    Hi everyone
    I have created 3 UIViews: Main, Left and Right. I wanna switch between them with changing the Main subviews and I wanna do it with animation. My project works fine but without animation. I wrote my addSubview code after the
    [UIView beginAnimations:nil context:Null] and befor the [UIView commitAnimations]. any idea?
  2. dejo Moderator

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    What else do you have in your animation block to animate the addition of the subviews? Any kinds of frame adjustments? Or something else? Have you considered using the modalTransitionStyle property of UIViewController?
  3. yoichi00 macrumors newbie

    Feb 13, 2010
    Using presentModalViewController:animated: does not help addition of subviews. It is not for adding subviews, but it replaces the main view with the new view and create the parent-child relationship between the ViewControllers, although the switching will look like a new view moving in or fading in animated.

    If that is what you want, that is what you do.

    However, if you are just adding a new subview on top of another subview and you want the old view to be still visible (i.e. the new subview is semi-transparent or semi-opaque), you use [UIView beginAnimations:nil context:nil] and the [UIView commitAnimations], called an animation block.

    However, how you want to use animation blocks, and what you must do to make them work, depends on your exact code. Are the "subviews" simply UIViews added from the Library to the "view" of a UIViewController? Or, are they themselves "views" of UIViewControllers?

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MBP support 3360x1050 external monitor?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by btownguy, Jul 24, 2009.

  1. btownguy macrumors 6502a

    Jun 18, 2009
    I have a brand new MBP. I have 2 LCD screens at home - each 1680x1050. I was thinking of getting a Matrox DualHead2Go to allow me to connect both of these screens to my MBP. As I understand it, the MBP will only see one external screen (3360x1050) and the Matrox unit handles splitting the signal between the two screens. So my question is this - will the MBP support a screen resolution of 3360x1050 for an external screen?
  2. mgamber macrumors 6502a

    Jun 12, 2008
    Your mileage may vary, of course, but it worked just fine for me. The MBP display was sharper but the dual 1680x1050 monitors worked just fine. Make sure you get the digital DualHead2Go. The analog version doesn't go above, if I recall correctly, 1280.
  3. daee macrumors newbie

    Oct 29, 2009
    New MBP

    I have been using the Matrox dualhead2go digital edition on my good old macbook pro without any problems, with an external display of 3360x1050.

    However I just got a new 17" MBP, and after setup, I don't have an option for 3360x1050 anymore, only 1650x1050. So right now I can only use 1 of my external screens. Did you manage to make it work on your new MBP?

    I've got the latest software from Matrox and everything, it's really frustrating...

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Today Magda was cremated and laid to rest.

You were all with me when i stood up and walked to the pulpit to read my final goodbye to her in front of a full church.

Although overwhelmed with grief I managed to get a hold of myself.
I watched her coffin and read 2 pages.
A lot of it were things that would have made her smile.
She was stubborn, but Iloved her.

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YOu are in my prayers today. Even tho we have never ment my love for you is like my love for my brother. We are a family here and right now this family is feeling your hurt, and holding you close. Remember, she is not really that far away from you, you have your memories, and if you ever need to talk to her go ahead, she is there, in your heart and she will listen and you will feel her right beside you, loveing you as she always has.

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Birds hitting the car

I have not seen this topic ( I volkerized it), so I aplogize if this has been posted elsewhere.
I have only had my car for a week and this morning was really the first time I drove on a quiet two lane road. Two birds hit my car within a mile of each other. I am wondering if birds rely on sound to avoid cars. Anybody else experience this or was this just not unusual.

Bighorn | 4 ottobre 2015

Can they spell, too?

NKYTA | 4 ottobre 2015

Mclearly better than me. I dub thee the new BrainH. We'll just shorten your initials, they match.

For extra credit:

You Colonial, you.

All: BH == BrianH == Bighorn == BH

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Bighorn | 4 ottobre 2015

I thought the red letters were for when you were quoting me:)

NKYTA | 4 ottobre 2015

Gah. Can't keep up, some of us have schedules ;-),..but I'm nominating you forum spelling checking from now on, you are the perfect fit. ;-)

Bighorn | 4 ottobre 2015

I resemble that remark If elected, I will not serve.

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TC56 | 5 ottobre 2015

In the UK we get a large number of "game" birds dead on the road. They usually have ovloV stamped on their heads. I'm told it's usually the males who are trying to protect their territory. Trying to protect against a car or truck is a bit daft, but they are bird-brains.

Ross1 | 5 ottobre 2015

There are 2 solutions:

1; Get an after-market custom shop to provide a wire netting cage over your MS and partic over the big MX screen. For aesthetics this could look like a shipping container made from bird cage wire. You drive in - drive out in your driveway. Simple.

2: Alternatively wrap the car or at least the windscreen of your MS and MX with continuous strips of duct tape 2" apart. (so you can still see through) For the faint hearted slip into autonomous drive mode... This will both provide protection so your screen doesn't break, and provide the birds a visual barrier so they don't bomb into you. Also it will stop broken glass entering the cockpit.

3: If you can't fix it with duct tape you can't fix it.

douglasstuckey | 5 ottobre 2015

Not long after getting my S85 in May this year we were driving at about 50 kilometers per hour on a quiet back country road and came across a group of ducks and ducklings walking on the road.
I slowed down to let them pass and if I had not stopped quickly, would have run over them.
Could only be the lack of ICE car noise in my opinion.
We also lose many birds into our house Windows which have reflective film to reduce heat and glare.
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  1. Noir*Boudoir

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    Part the first:

    Well, with Halloween approaching, it has fallen (with a hollow and gloomy thud, naturally) on my shoulders to attempt an VFG-oriented appreciation of matters Gothick.

    Of course, I really should be sitting in a leather-upholstered chair in front of a roaring fire, but alas, the family mansion was sold off in 1932 to pay off the victims of Uncle Arbuthnot... And shortly afterwards it was burnt to the ground by angry villagers brandishing torches and pitchforks...

    Once upon a time, in the north of England, extreme boredom with the prevailing love of gelled perms and stone-washed jeans led me to adopt purple velvet & silk, black fringed hippy skirts and lots of eyeliner as my uniform, in an attempt to create some alternative image for myself. (If you look closely at the Lily Rubin skirt I have listed in my VC-mall store, you'll see an 80s Top Shop crushed velvet top that was one of my prized wardrobe additions at the time...no surviving pictures, alas).Occasionally, I was chased by angry villagers brandishing pitchforks and torches...(but I usually got away)

    Gothic music was at the time dragging itself feebly out the dead faint it had fallen into after the Sisters of Mercy's 'Floodland' in the late 80s. Much tape bootlegging was done (some of it regrettable, below).

    (Fields of the Nephilim - style inspiration: Sergio Leone, major fashion accessory: Homepride flour) Best not to go there.

    Leaving out a long story, in subsequent years I let my fully-dour subscription to Gothdom lapse (although I never lost the steer-towards-the-black instinct in the stores, nor my fondness for H.P. Lovecraft, nor the idea that leather cinching corsets could in principle be a good thing

    A couple of years ago, I rediscovered the active (or perhaps 're-animated' scene in London). In a little over 10 years, Goth has sprouted multiple heads and some pointy tails too. I felt a little like Rip van Winkle. Crushed velvet was seriously passe. All the records I owned were 'trad goth', and in the meantime, punk and cyberpunk (a little more separate 10 years ago) had cross-fertilised with gothic trends entirely. The separate club scene of the early 90s had also completely permeated the goth dance scene...

    I'll attempt to summarize a few points here, but bear in mind one major caveat. We talk about 'Goths', buyers search under 'goth' and 'gothic' on Ebay (on Ebay.co.uk, in the dedicated 'goth' category!), and Camden town still features the greatest concentration of black satin, sprung-steel corsets, humungous boots, Emily Strange merchandise and metal-accessoried pinstripe garments ever known in the entire world, BUT you will never get a Goth to characterize their own trends.

    Case in point. Take the website of Slimelight, the self-proclaimed 'longest running alternative club'. My membership card features silver spiders on a shiny black background. The club plays, now wait for it:
    'industrial, power-noise, cyber-synth, ebm, cyber-goth, darkwave, trad + modern goth, plus crossover and related alternative sounds'

    Er.(Pretty much everything, actually).

    And, in the side panel, one can vote in a poll to express one's own self definition. Are you:

    Goth- Fetish- Punk -Cyber Punk- Industrial - Nu Metal -Grunge - Cross-dresser- or, I don't do category?

    Guess which won? Yes, it was 'I don't do category'.

    Nevertheless, no matter how much a sizable number of Goths will protest the individuality and untrammelled freedom of Gothic trends, many of them will still be wearing New Rock boots, bondage trousers and a Lip Service top. Or possibly a latex dress.

    Next week, I'll post summaries, in the broadest strokes imaginable, of a few trends: major labels in demand by such people as may be called Goths, such as Lip Service, Cyberdog, Dane, Shrine, Omen etc.; some trends, including fetish and Elegant Gothic Lolita; a guide to the fearsome Goth Boot, perhaps?

    'Fetish' trends:His 'n' hers latex. Aw bless

    I'll also post pics of a few of the garments I've sold in the name of 'Goth'. And, you never know, I may have smuggled a disposable camera into the club this weekend...

    In the meantime, I hope anyone else who enjoys loping mysteriously around the dark side will chip in with their own contributions to the thread.

  2. elsewhere

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    I must say that although I find Dita's dress to be freaking fabulous, I didn't find her as a person to be worth supporting. I worked with her for ohh.. a year?.. and by and large she was always a b!tch for no reason.

    also-it may be worth adding a subsection to your summaries for Gothabilly :) (edited.. I'm a dork!)

    great topic-- As someone who often incorporated elements of punk, goth & other alternative styles into my own sense of identification, I look forward to your (and anyone else's) additions to the topic.

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    My music likes are very mixed. The Grateful Dead, Widespread Panic Peter Murphy, Skinny Puppy,DCD, NIN,Cure, Siouxsie...after an accident in 99 Siouxsie's words were taped next to my bed:

    in the fountains pink champagne
    someone carving their devotion
    in the heart shaped pool of fame

    Bad luck you say -- it's just not your day
    but you've got to reach out -- grab your destiny
    kick up the dust -- kick up a storm
    kick out the past and take control

    There's no-one else -- it's up to you
    are you gonna wake up, or cry boo hoo?
    No-one else but you can rise up
    you know what to do got to get up
    No more looking down -- look up
    Come and claim your crown -- got to get up
    Got to get up

    Dad and I watched every Bela Lugosi Dracula movie, I have great memories of him dressing up as a vampiro and stalking us around the house and tickle us till we couldnt breathe. Later I developed a major crush on Gary Oldman since his role in Dracula. Saw Marilyn in Tampa when he was an unknown opening up for the Genitorturers. His shows didnt do too much for me back then, he was different and I liked that and he is a sweet person.

    One must experience the ball in New Orleans at least once in their lifetime....and powder sugar fights at Cafe Dumond afterwards to end the festivities :)

    anyone see the new Frankestein on the USA network? oooh!
  4. Sipping a Cafe du Mond cafe au lait as I type. I fell in love with them when I was down in NO for Ebay Live and I was thrilled to see that my grocery store stocks Cafe Du Mond.'ummmm...

    Dita is gawjus!!
    I have never met her but I love her pin up site and she wears alot of vintage. I have sold several dresses to her and she has exquisite taste. I dealt mostly with her sister who was just a doll!
    My MIL was the GM at a hotel here in Charlotte that MM stayed at while in town for a concert.
    She asked if we knew who he was and so we filled her in. She could not believe it because she said he was dressed very plainly and looked just as 'normal' and sweet as could be. She also said that he was very soft spoken and polite.
    Of course she expects musician to tear up the rooms. Several years ago she rented to The Police when she was the GM at a hotel in Pittsburgh and they destroyed the rooms.
    Oops, sorry, did I get off topic?:)

    My early movie memories are of Frankenstein and I alway felt kinda sorry for the poor monster.
    I love old monster movies!

    As for goth, I am totally in the dark (pun intended).
    I think most ebay seller think black=goth and that is the extent of their knowledge.
    I would love know more.

    What I find kinda funny is the whole 'mall goth' thing.
    I mean isn't part of the whole mystique originality? Can you really be original when everything your wearing was mass produced for HotTopic?

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    Then there is paraochial goth

    you are old enough to determine what you will wear to school but too young to drive so cannot fully obtain true wardrobe autonomy. So you pair items from different outfits that do not go together really but are only united by being black. so that inky black sweater that bleeds on every other piece of clothing its washed with, the black fading into a dull mousey color stretch pants, almost charcoal gray jeans all figure into the mix. And you never knew that there were so many shades of black until you saw it all under the flourescent school lights and it all looked like a mismatched mess.

    so nowhere anywhere near what we would think of as really being "goth', BUT you WERE still within dress code rules.

    Something about being a preteen makes you want to wear black.

    oh, the above was not about anyone I know or any school I have ever attended :P
  6. This is FANTASTIC, Noir*Boudoir!

    On the down side, you've got me hooked. I want to be able to just keep scrolling and read more, now.

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    I can hardly wait either, Steph!
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    Lin, this is fantastic!! Looking forward to more!

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    Thanks everyone! Just checking back in to let you know that more *will* be posted tonight (on Elegant Gothic Lolita - style/inspirations/connections - need to do more scanning first... and Lip Service - the ultimate successful subculture/widespread marketing interface)

    Kristine, I wonder if what you call Punkabilly is pretty much what I call Gothabilly? I'd be interested to talk about this, since it's something that's been in transition this year, I guess... I'll perhaps post a few pics later in the week to get us going. I'm also thinking of inflicting a personal obsession on everyone and doing a 'pinstripe across the fashion genres' post...
    more later,

    ps. I *do* have a pic of me in last weekend's outfit, but I'll only post it at the end of the week if everyone's *very* nice! We did have a disposable camera in the goth club this w/end, but quite frankly, the only shots were of us pulling faces into the lens, and that's not very sartorially enlightening is it?? As for everyone else, the aesthetic horizon looked disappointingly same-y, with everyone in mix 'n' match black pvc and satin corsets, or UV-reactive gear and glo-sticks... I think all the exhibitionists must be saving themselves for next week...
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    Lin Plllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeasssssssssssssseeeeeeeee
    show us the pic of your outfit! I promise we will be nice! I can't wait to see what you have wipped up for tonight.

    I really wonder what people will think looking back on this 30-40 yrs from now.

    Take Mod for instance...people do not agree on when it was, when it ended, etc.....there are people who are purists who believe that the minute it had a definition and then as it was embraced by the masses that it was "over". Kinda reminds me about the "I don't do" answer on the questinoaire. And then there are folks who would say that Mod was still alive and well when it hit the states and its influence reached into the early 70s and such. and then there are people who were just born with Mod shoes glued to their feet like me were too young to have really been a part of that original scene. (and it becomes recognized for its components...slhouettes, etc...instead) so it lives on somewhat at least on the outside and in dribs and drabs in fashion.

    It is similar to Goth, etc...in that it had to do with culture/music/atitude and fashion was an end product or a work in progress that unlike other fashion styles started from the bottom up.

    I don't think fashion designers saw kids sitting around and wearing "new look" style garments after the war and Dior adopted it for the masses. That i think came more from the top down so to speak..versus from the bottom up, and then from the top out to the runways and masses if that makes any sense. but someone probably knows differently.

    Of course, I think Goth (my limited opinion) self adopts some of its roots from the "Turn of the Screw"/Mary Shelley/Edgar Allen Poe gothic era of literature in dribs and drabs just as it has perhaps elaborated on punk (both punkers and goth kids at my school wore dog collars) to some extent/mixed in with the neoclassicism that was starting again in the 60s, and leaning way over through the 70s....and period dramas of the 80s.. But i am no expert.

    Just random thoughts.

    So I wonder how will this sort itself out in the end? well, not the end, but as years go by... as we try to neatly fit it into a package.

    as Lin said what we thought of as Goth in the 80s is now passe by afficianados of the look. Like now that Goth babydoll lolita and goth like boots are out there on the runways and being interpreted next year in a kmart near you....
  11. Noir*Boudoir

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    Part the Seconde (clanngggg)

    Hello my pretties!

    Now’s the time to embark on a tale of corrupted cuteness and daring design. In my youth, the only stylish dolls wearing lacey dresses, bibs and otherwise leftfield nursery attire were the wonderful Babes in Toyland (and maybe occasionally, Alison Crane – any other progenitrices, propose them!). In the meantime, an influential fashion trend has snowballed, white lace, black velvet trims and maryjanes a-flying…

    The  Elegant Gothic Lolita has only a distant link with the character of Nabokov’s novel {brief plug for a great book}. In reality, she’s the haunted offspring of long-standing Japanese fashion traditions such as baroque design, exaggerated little-baby-doll-ness and anime caricature.

    You’re familiar with ‘Fruits’ as an Ebay keyword? It comes from the magazine founded by photographer Shoichi Aoki, who filled it with documentary shots of the young Tokyo style rebels who filled the ‘pedestrian paradise’ (hokoten) of the Harajuku district at the weekends from the early to mid-90s (the same district has since been de-pedestrianized).

    These exotic, avant-garde DIY-costumiers drew inspiration from punk, manga, Japanese rock and warmono a trend encompassing kimonos, obi belts and tweed jackets…

    Elegant Gothic Lolita was the dark little sister of these bright exhibitionists.

    (Despite being a bit punk and anti-label, Viv Westwood turns up a lot in these outfits!)

    The trend gained its own journal – the Gothic Lolita Bible (the scan of shots from Harajuku above comes from volume 8, as scanned and posted for wide dissemination at:

    ‘Mainstream’ EGL (if there is such a thing) draws mainly on exaggerated styles of Victorian little girl dresses, but the wider trend encompasses the long-line, frilled elegance of the Edwardian era too.

    The basic styles can be illustrated with garments sold by androgynous poster-boy for EGL, Japanese designer and musician Mana, who models many of his own clothes. The wares of boutique Moi-Meme-Moitie are divided into the bouffant ‘Elegant Gothic Lolita’ (first, below) and the elongated ‘Elegant Gothic Aristocrat’ (second)

    The presentation of Mana’s clothes in his own shoots and music sites is pretty vampirically-tinged. Having listened to only a small amount of his music, Malice Mizer, I can only describe it as, er, coffin pop.
Complete with church organs.

(Mana in Paris for the Japanese expo)

    There are numerous other Japanese designers and boutiques, only a few of whose work filters over here.

Here you see the style in a little less stereotyped form.

The larger ‘Lolita’ fashion category also admits colour. But if you have a flouncy, flowery mini corset dress to sell, call it ‘Lolita’ but not ‘Elegant Gothic Lolita’!

(From the online boutique, ‘Angelicpretty’)

Elegant Gothic Lolita has gradually permeated through to Western Gothic styles, which have long been in thrall (via their Cyber branch) to Japanese anime. Below is a recent range called ‘Morbid Legacy’ offered by Lip Service (of which more later) which draws on the Gothic Lolita spirit.

(from the Lip Service website)

 The full-skirted 50s/80s revival of the past year has meant that the EGL style is now a more accessible influence for mainstream style (the need for lacey petticoats collides head on!). I’ve just seen a spread of the new, much-anticipated garments designed by Karl Lagerfeld for H&M in British Elle, and they look like a direct cross-pollination of EGL with 50s satin ‘n’ diamante.
    I’ll add the full scans later, but here’s a teensy preview:

    Now, put your hair in pigtails like you're Miss Haversham's love child, go forth and skip!

    (n.b. I've irresponsibly stolen most of these images, although I think I've credited everything, so bear in mind they're for information purposes only! I think if you want to cut and customize Gothic Lolita Bible spreads for comparison purposes, it wouldn't do any harm though).
  12. Noir*Boudoir

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    la troisieme partie...

    LIP SERVICE

    ‘The Original Cult’

    Now, I’ve said it before, and I’ve hinted at it again: Goth is supposed to be an anti-label, individualistic and independent expression of personal style. And often, it is, as different aspects are carefully selected, mixed up and subverted in turn by various wearers (whether fully goth or not, as Liz and Kristine have pointed out, above).

    Nevertheless, ‘mainstream’ Goth clothes marketing, and particularly goth on Ebay, is very brand-led. Just see the KWS-rate for ‘Lip Service, Hot Topic and Torrid’ on any given day.

    In this brand-sourced Goth style, Lip Service is, frankly, pre-eminent. This label started out as a punky-rock/alternative wholesale clothing supplier in the mid 80s, when former ‘skate rat kid’ Drew Bernstein discovered he could make a whole lot of cash making skull-and-dagger-printed leggings for an uncatered-for market:

    ‘I figured if worse came to worse, I could always wear them the rest of my life’

    (The skull is now on the present label – read Bernstein’s memoir on the Lip Service site, it’s quite amusing!). Soon, he picked up on the British fad for PVC/vinyl and introduced clothing lines using that too. Lip Service’s 80s rawk credentials were sealed by their patronage by Guns N Roses (insert shrill guitar squeal here).

    Two retail stores were opened in Los Angeles (on Melrose and Hollywood Boulevard), although now the business is entirely wholesale, and Lip Service retails out of specialist boutiques (and Hot Topic).

    The key to Lip Service’s success is their ability to latch on quickly to coming trends. They’ve covered the whole range of alternative fashion desires, including fetish-lite (all styles that would be made in latex by a specialist in North London, transformed into easy-to-wear vinyl):

The fabulous ‘Lady is a Tramp’ 40s-style PVC suit, as modelled by bunny*page on her online store, DangerDame.

    Perennially classic-looking gothic gowns:

the ‘Sweet Sorrow’ range

the ‘Flowers of Evil’ mon coeur qui ecoeur dress

    Not only that, they distill and enhance some current fads to the extent that their ranges become the epitome (in European/N.American circles anyway) of that style. Viz, the ‘Hollywood Geisha’ range, now in it’s third incarnation after two years:

And the marvellous Gangsta Pranksta group:

    Lip Service styles turn around as fast as the style currents that drive them; one garment group can keep regenerating over 2-3 years whereas another may disappear as ‘discontinued’ within one season. For this reason, past Lip Service catalogues are valuable things! They give you the style group name and wittily specific blurb that go with each garment, and under which fans may still be searching for the last piece to complete their outfit years later.

    That said, the collecting and demand for ‘vintage’ Lip Service is patchy (and by this, I mean discontinued Lip Service from the last few years and older). One or two under-produced lines can be frantically searched for and bid on, while other more generic, or somehow less currently attractive lines, can lie lonely on the auction block.

    Lip Service goes for more money in the UK, simply because official customs and shipping are so astronomical. Boutiques like the Black Rose in Camden sell Lip Service for the same number in pounds as their original cost in dollars. In the US, garments need to be a desirable piece of a desirable line to be the object of a bidding war. I’ve seen samples and examples of older lines (such as the popular Hollywood Geisha) go for opening bids, somewhat unremarked, while current styles available on the website are lost in the foam of a feeding frenzy. People do collect Lip Service, though, so it’ll be interesting to see how these prime indicators of alternative culture appreciate or depreciate in value!

    In the interest of helping anyone who wants to navigate the 2nd hand world of Lip Service (and given that I don’t own any catalogues), I’ve appended a label survey, which sketches out a little more clearly how the brand is continuing to be redefined.

    LIP SERVICE – the labels

    The most well known lip service label is still the old standard rock-esque entwined rose ‘Lip Service, Los Angeles’ label. This is what you’re going to find on the majority of old Lip Service lines. Bret mentioned in another thread a while back that an earlier paper ‘black on white’ label was in use in the eighties.
    In the meantime, this is the earliest Lip Service label to show you, from a recent auction by Bonton.

    Now, this stayed in use up until approx. mid-late 2002 (or possibly early 2003), I think. This is when the launch of a new line caused a reorganization of the way Lip Service styles were grouped.

    In June 2002, Lip Service announced the launch of a new division, ‘Black Label’, geared ‘to customers between the ages of 25 and 40’. This was marketed as a toned down daywear version of the label’s youthful hard-edged styles. I suspect the sizes were relaxed a little in this line too. It was launched with the following vintage-tinged style groups: ‘From Dusk ‘til Dawn’ (a sort of frilly, Old Orleans, lacey empire-waisted dolly line), ‘Sgt. Pepper’s Paisley’, ‘Cross Hatch Denim’, ‘Dark Side of the Moon’ (plain, slightly grown-up coffee and burgundy chiffon with vinyl trimmings), ‘Lily Lace’ (more transparent mesh ‘n’ lace), ‘Sonic Temple Suede’, ‘Year of the Chinchilla’ (faux jackets etc.), and, my personal favourite, ‘Strictly Stripes’ (40s-meets-punk dresses & separates, in red/aubergine and black/steel colourways).

    The samples and early models of this line carry the ‘Black Label’ label, as follows:

    From a 1st sample Black Label Strictly Stripes jacket, ‘hot off the machine of Amparo’, dated 14th April 2002 (below)

    But this seems to have been changed quite early on to ‘Blacklist’, which is the more common label for these lines:

    From a Strictly Stripes vest top in the same colourway.

    The Blacklist/Black Label range was discontinued in 2003 (disappointingly, because in retrospect, the punked-up vintage styles were diverse and quite interesting).

    At around the same time, in 2002, several of Lip Service’s basic fetish style groups (like everything made of vinyl, or featuring straps etc.) were grouped in the new Fetish label:

    From a stretch shirt with pvc straps ‘Sexy Secretary shirt’ of the ‘Work Detail Stretch Poplin’ style group.
    I’ve seen the ‘Lip Service’ part of this label chopped off in remaindered garments on sale in London.

    I have another variant style group label, from a 2003 ‘Electro Company’ shirred mesh dress. This group is now discontinued, but contained a number of 80s-esque, Xanadu ‘n’ Rollergirl inspired garments (Fame goes Fetish, if you will). I’m not clear on whether this label was used on the several other 80s-inspired style groups launched in the last year, or whether it is part of a larger tendency to customize labels to each garment’s style.

    And finally, the new standard label, which seems to have taken the place of the old rose-entwined one as the most commonly used tag.

    From a spring 2004 Gangsta Pranksta ‘Bettie Bruiser’ skirt.
  13. Patentleathershoes

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    I am bowled over. This is impressive and I admit I am hooked.

    I think the most common look i have seen on the street so to speak is the "Sweet Sorrow" look. (but i must preface that by saying i used to live around Salem, Mass where many people also tended to dress with these leanings due to their employ - or the ability to express these leanings there. though there were different shops and fashion contingencies when i was there. the crushed velvet meets Johnny Depp in that Jack the Ripper Movie with a few buckles and studs for good measure is another look.) Of course the pre-Edward Scissorhands look was more prevelant back in my school days as well as the aforementioned "parochial goth."

    There is a lot of ideas more in mainstream media that Goth is about death obsession and the wanting to set your self as delibrately misunderstood. (as seen on tv!) perhaps that is perpetuated in the media but mainly by angsty dejected preteens.....however, many of the looks depicted here could not be further than that in many ways. Some looks have a more boudoir feeling to them...or also like you say...the "elegant goth aristocrat" look...
  14. Noir*Boudoir

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    Yup, I'm not surprised - it's kind of 'classic' goth. I'd say that outside of London, it probably still just has the edge over the club-influenced cyber look too (although the two aren't mutually exclusive). My experience has mostly been on the clubbing side, whereas there are other events that foster that wider romantic, 19th century style. Preeminent is the goth weekend at Whitby, that usually happens twice a year (the next one is this weekend, naturally).

    There, some of the same DJs and bands that play in London etc. take part, but somehow it appears more of a mecca for the trad goth contingent (perhaps it's the full-on Dracula associations?).

    There's a garment bring and buy sale there, so it's probably a hotbed of style revision and wardrobe refreshment!

    Just a couple of pics of what I suppose we'd call 'trad goth' garments that I sold a few months ago (and did quite well). The first is a party top from a high street chain, that with the right presentation becomes a romanti-goth poet blouse. The second is a chiffon-sleeved, be-crucifixed product from UK goth label Dark Star. I have to say even in my first goth incarnation this last one would have been a bit much for me and I did hide it under a number of other clothes when I had it waiting to auction... But somebody loved it!

    And yes, you're right, the media presentation of all goths as depressed and imminently suicidal, while frequently amusing, is a bit wide of the mark. All the goths I know are fairly happy people, they just want to look different!
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    Lin, you're amazing!

  16. Patentleathershoes

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    the trad goth contingent (perhaps it's the full-on Dracula associations?).

    what about that?

    what about the "vampire people". I know there is a contingency of folk who either dress like or associate with the vampire legend...some overlap to the aristocratic goth/Anne Rice book aficianados.......but then there are a whole other splinter group of people who ...i dunno don't really have to do with goth but for a fleeting sense of fashion...i mean the folks who take the vampire persona REAL far and buy coffins to sleep in and might even get their teeth cosmetically altered. Is that just a whole different thing psychologically or a far off distant cousin splinter group that is related far back somehow....

    I know that's kind of a weird question, but one hears about them from time to time.
  17. Patentleathershoes

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    ""so it’ll be interesting to see how these prime indicators of alternative culture appreciate or depreciate in value!""

    I know. and what is especially interesting is things become "vintage" before they are really vintage. the true example of the phrase "that was so last year." But i think to keep in perspective a lot of young people are wearing this as you say... to me when i was 20, things i wore and did and said when i was 18 or 19 seemed like ancient times. It's that "searching for identity...trying on many hats very quickly.." age so i can see why things change so fast. Heck to me my combat boots i stomped around in the early 90s seem to feel like 20-30 yrs ago vs just the 10-12 it actually was.

    not to say that people of course that are 25-30-35-40+ aren't wearing it, but the changes and the splinterings off of styles that go on almost monthly (well not monthly...but you get the pic) as you seem to say, have that more frenetic tormented rhythm that would be more of a young person's persona.

    I do't know if i make any sense anymore..you certainly are making sense! And i hope that i am learning to apply what i am learning....
  18. bigchief

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    Lin -

    I am speechless, this is just too much fun! You write GREAT. Don't stop.

    And re: the photos of you from the club last week -

    don't make me beg :D

  19. Noir*Boudoir

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    Mwahahaa! Carolyn - I'm going to engage in diversionary tactics first... (pinstripe & cyber, when I get my act together)

    Chris, your comments are really interesting! About the vampire thing. I've never got into that (I'm more of a H.P.Lovecraft kind of a girl) - but the vampiric tradition is one part of the old-skool horror genre that does, by style association, influence quite a lot of goths.

    "Hear the chil-d-rren of the niiight - vot mewsik they maaake!"

    It's funny, vampire literature & style is one of those long-standing popular culture sectors that has always been available to goths as part of their style (see Mr. Cushing, above - I've also seen the occasional Gary Oldman impersonator. They must think the beard looks good...)

    However, it really doesn't seem to link up with serious blood-fetishes etc. that often (although the occasional blood fetishist *may* dress up like a goth, for all I know)

    Eg. my BF regularly plays one of these ridiculously complex & sociable card games using decks of vampire characters & settings (don't worry, I'm brilliant at relentlessly taking the p*ss). But he's not an Anne Rice fan, let alone someone who would consider a cape as an actual *garment*. Vampire material is more of a kitsch, traditional fun/associated style resource (see Buffy, & the film 'Underworld' - full of goth fashion! - although Van Helsing was a little more 'rawk' and, frankly, more naff).

    We had a good laugh when one of CSI's (surprisingly frequent! strangely!) fetish episodes was set in Las Vegas' blood-drinking 'goth' scene. All that po-faced masochism just didn't ring true.

    I think the 'dracula' trad-goth connection here is more to do with preferring that elaborate frock-coated, foppish style of dress - like a slightly less camp version of the brilliant Euro-trash Dracula in that episode of Buffy (which season was it? that was fantastic).

(Dracula, yesterday)

    Now, I don't have *any* knowledge of this at all, so please jump in and correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect the magical/wicca/ satanic associations are similar (and I'm not equating the three there, just listing them as cultures assoc.'d with goth).
    'Witchy' style is a key look in gothdom, but that will have little or nothing to do with anyone's serious involvement in that world. Nevertheless, I'm dimly aware of the fact that a whole bunch of black magic practioners in Belorusse may dress like goths.

    Or maybe I just know lots of boring, un-experimental goths??

    The one 'belief' connection with gothdom that I have speculated about is Catholicism. I was the only goth in my (non-denominational) high school, but gothic (and indie, for that matter) styles were much more prevalent among the groups of people I knew at the local Catholic schools.

    Again, I don't think this is by any means something to draw genre-wide conclusions about (especially since I have no idea now what the proportions of the cultural backgrounds of most goths are). But I have sometimes wondered whether one of the attractions of the style is how it becomes a showcase for manipulating or playing with (and not necessarily subverting) overt Christian imagery - and that this could sometimes be a response to the rich visual world of the Catholic church, in particular.

    That's a bit of a wildcard I'm throwing in - it's not something I believe one way or another, just something I've thought about!

    Back to the pics later.
  20. Noir*Boudoir

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    (Parentheses) Hmmm, have thought about this again, and to simplify wildly:

    I think with all these alternative or slightly subcultural groups that are associated with looking goth, and all the different goth trends that I have mentioned (or will talk about), we've just got to imagine a whole series of overlapping and intersecting but separate circles. All have one or several things in common, but they're not quite the same.

    Like an overcaffeinated Venn diagram or something. Or one of those old invasion maps that has multiple arrows pointing in all directions. All of these groups of people have something in common, but they all (as I have been doing, really) distance one from another by some criteria (including total denial of being anything goth at all).

    Just forcibly deport everyone looking vaguely goth-like to a series of deep valleys in a small, concentrated section of the Caucasus, and you'd have everyone speaking different obscure languages and declaring war on each other in seconds.

    It's a long way from 'Stunning witchy Black lace dress GOTH Fetish REN Cyber PUNK 0.99 @[email protected]!' isn't it??

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In the beginning, the earth was formless and void, but that did not deter the Almighty. He looked into the fathomless depth of its darkness and concluded, "All it needs is light!" Likewise, in the beginning of our spiritual lives, we also are "formless and void" and God, just as confidently, is still saying, "All they need is a little light!" Remember: it's the Lord's responsibility to create and our responsibility to submit to His creating.

The Lord only needs three things to fashion life. First, He needs a "nothing." The Almighty always begins His great, creative works with a "nothing" (this is very important because this is where we come in!). Then, His Spirit needs to be hovering over the "nothing." And, finally, He needs His Word, which is the "something" He's going to put in the "nothing's" place.


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Having a true vision is not the same thing as having a godly motive. A person could have a vision directly from God, yet be driven by self-promotion and ambition in seeking to fulfill it. Jesus preached that the kingdom of heaven was at hand. This is vision. But He also taught: "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross" (Matt. 16:24).

If we will follow Jesus, notice we each have been given our own unique cross: "let him take up his cross." God has a cross specifically designed to crucify our fleshly ambitions en route to reaching our vision.

Consider Joseph: God had given him a dream of his future, but rather than quietly ponder the divine experience, he exalted himself to his ten older brothers. He assured them that one day they would each bow, like stacks of wheat, in subservience before him. His fleshly immaturity awakened a fleshly, even diabolical plot among his brothers: they sought to kill him. Joseph's vision was from God, but his motives lacked character, and his actions nearly cost him his life (see Gen. 37).

Yet, God was with Joseph, even in his lack of spiritual knowledge. And, we should rejoice for God is with us as well, even in our immaturity and ambition. Yet we should also understand: A true vision will kill you before it will fulfill you. Joseph had to learn to trust God in whatever circumstance or injustice he found himself; he had to become patient, serving others until the time arrived when his dream bloomed into reality.

"Until the time that his word came to pass, the word of the Lord tested him" (Ps. 105:19).

Consider: the Almighty could have certainly brought Joseph to Egypt by a less threatening route. Joseph could have grown to maturity among his family without being sold into slavery. Since he was given the gift of dreams and interpretation, the Holy Spirit could have simply given him a dream and told him to move to Egypt (as He did another Joseph centuries later). Once safely there, Joseph's fame at dream interpretation would have reached the ears of Pharaoh at precisely the right time, say the morning after the king's night of ominous dreams. Joseph, the "dream merchant," would have been positioned in the right place at exactly the right time.

Instead, God brought him to Egypt thirteen years earlier than needed. The young man had to face and overcome repeated experiences with an inward dying to self. He faced betrayal and abandonment; he was enslaved, tempted sexually, slandered and imprisoned. How hopeless could his situation be? Yet, he then faced the challenges of being forgotten. In spite of all these things, Joseph trusted God and grew in both wisdom and spiritual integrity.

God didn't merely want a man to interpret dreams, but a man who could rule his heart when it suffered abandonment, injustice, slander and rejection and betrayal, and still remain the man of God regardless.

Joseph kept his heart free from the bitterness that overwhelms the soul. He was a man who wept when he finally saw his brothers. These were the men who laughed while he cried to them from the pit, then would have left him to die a long, agonizingly slow death had not a caravan passed by and Joseph been sold to traders. Joseph could have had his revenge – off with their heads! But the scriptures record that five times Joseph turned away and wept in the discourses with his family; once he "wept so loudly that the Eyptians heard, and the household of Pharaoh heard" (Gen. 45:2).

Joseph was a man of character, a man whose ambitions died but whose vision lived. He drank the cup given him by God, and his dream became a reality. Jesus drank the cup given Him, and we experienced salvation. But each of us has a cup to drink en route to our destiny. There will be no shortcuts to power. We will swallow the full dregs and though it kills us, we shall live. Yet, it shall not be us, but Christ living in us.

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DON’T: Go without storage

If there’s one feature of a bathroom remodel that doesn’t get much attention, yet is still appreciated, it’s storage. Whether you want to store extra toiletries or a few sets of guest towels, having them on hand whenever they’re needed is an incredible benefit.

If you have the room, consider bumping out a wall to include an extra storage closet and built-in shelving. Even if moving walls is outside your budget, find an organization unit that fits in with your aesthetic. Doing so will give your space a polished quality that’s well worth the added effort and expense.

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Highlight the shower.

Make the shower your showpiece. Image: Roost Interiors

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DO: Splurge on the shower

Just like any other room in your home, the bathroom needs to have a focal point, or a design element that’s meant to draw the eye. According to research by MarketWatch, luxurious showers are one of the most popular features among home buyers, so it may be a good feature to highlight. Think of it this way, you’ll get to enjoy multiple shower heads and heated floors now, with the added benefit of knowing your investment will probably pay off down the road.

Interestingly, the same research found that soaking tubs have fallen out of favor. Many feel they aren’t used often enough and take a lot of effort to clean. Consider skipping this expense, if your main goal is to eventually sell. That said, it’s also important to take personal preference into account.

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Choose a nice vanity.

If possible, include an impressive vanity. Image: Mark Williams Design Associates

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DON’T: Skimp on the vanity

The bathroom vanity is another feature where you can make a big statement. Options that feature double sinks, large mirrors and plenty of storage are on-trend. If possible, opt for one with a luxe top in a material such as granite or marble to add even more visual interest to the space.

Keep in mind that you can always change up the look of your existing vanity, if needed. Giving it a new coat of paint is a relatively simple DIY project that will change the room’s look. You could also switch out the drawer pulls or even buy a new topper from a home improvement store to freshen up the bathroom’s aesthetic.

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Tips for a successful bathroom remodel

Follow these do’s and don’ts for a successful bathroom remodel. Image: Peterssen/Keller Architecture

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Completing a bathroom remodel can be an exciting yet daunting experience. On the one hand, there are few things more satisfying than knowing you’ve put your own personal stamp on your home. On the other, these projects can get so pricey that taking the first step can be intimidating. If you’re looking for a guide for how to make your remodel a success, look no further. These are the tips you need to transform your bathroom into an oasis.

Have you ever completed a bathroom remodel? What tips can you share from your experience? Let us know in the comments.