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December 1, 2009

Some Conversation-Framing Concepts in Free Discourse

Filed under: media — ononehand @ 11:13 pm

When we talk about free speech and the media, we often delve into intellectual absurdities and passionate yet bizarre mentalities that derail conversation. Since I talk a lot about talk, about language, oppression, speech and pop culture, I frequently encounter conflicted views on what “free speech” or “discourse” means. The White House vs. Fox News debate is offering up a litany of examples.

That’s because the Fox News agency is just aghast that the President of the United States is opposing their “free speech” by telling the world that Fox News is unfair and unbalanced. Commentators compared Barack Obama to Hugo Chavez, the leftist president of Columbia who shut down newspapers that were critical of his government.

Whenever somebody criticizes the effort or purpose of an entity that is exercising “speech” (such as a news organization, a pundit, or even just a loony person ranting), indignant self-proclaimed First Amendment advocates rise to the surface. “How dare you criticize my argument!” the self-serving defendant will say. “My opinion is my free speech! You can’t oppose it!”

Which brings is to the first component of free speech, as part of a set of three components I think need to be acknowledged by all parties to frame healthier conversations about speech. That component is:

You have a right to “free speech,” meaning freedom to make your controversial point or offend somebody, and to express views that are sane, controversial or even forehead-smackingly ridiculous. Inversely, others are allowed to respond to your statements, even to offend you back. People may respectfully disagree with what you say, disrespectfully disagree with what you say, tell you that they don’t like you any more because you said it, tell you that you shouldn’t say it at all or even say that you are a vile scum-sucking cretin and your mother was a lunatic. This is because free speech is reciprocal; their rights are equivalent to your rights, and everyone is allowed to respond to speech with speech.

People have a hard time understanding this. For example, when I posted How to Confront Hate Speech on the Internet on YouTube several months ago, I got comments and personal emails from people essentially saying “how dare you condemn hate speech, that’s so totalitarian!” because I am infringing on a hate speakers free speech by responding disapprovingly, or asking others to respond disapprovingly. They said that my video was one step on the road to a fascist society because hate speech is hard to define so who knows what other kind of views against minorities could be argued against using that very video! I struggled to explain that telling somebody who made a racist comment that her or his comment was racist is hardly an infringement of a racist’s rights and is considerably less antagonistic than racism itself. I also struggled to explain that telling someone her or his ethnic slurs are “not cool” is not to infringe on that person’s right to use them, which I even specifically explained in the original video.

I do think that hate speech should be called out and that public misinformation should be called out and condemned. But that doesn’t mean I advocate censorship; I advocate discourse. Which brings me to point two in the components of discourse.

Saying somebody should stop saying a certain thing is not “censorship.”

Understanding this principle requires your ability to make a distinction between force and encouragement. It explains why telling your mother to go jump off a bridge is just frowned upon but throwing her off a bridge is murder.

Censorship entails the use of force. When censorship occurs, the language being censored is removed from discourse by a moderator on an Online forum, by a publisher, editor, or most critically, by government (government censorship of political speech is the only kind that is protected by the First Amendment). Responding to the comments and saying that they are inappropriate is not censorship, because the original comments are still available.

People have a hard time understanding this. Let me use the following reader comment on an NPR online poll over the White House vs. Fox News debacle as an example:

The “White House” and it’s Czar’s are Socialist….the type of people that I feared most when first learning about this type of government in my junior high social study classes. Limiting our freedom of speech and controlling the news is the first step toward absolute tyranny…

This is an example of conflation at its finest, which seems to epitomize the way wacky people of all strips (I’m choosing not to single out the Far-Right) deal with political conflict. First, the commenter conflates “socialist” (which is an economic system practiced in Norway and Sweden) with the totalitarian governments of Orwell’s 1984 and Stalinist Russia. The two may overlap, but do not coincide. Second, the commenter conflates a political comment from the White House with tyranny.

Shutting down news agencies would be a step towards tyranny. Using laws or coercion to remove certain viewpoints from the public discourse entirely would be tyranny. Those are the things that the Bill of Rights seeks to protect Americans against. Censorship is, acknowledgedly, very problematic.

But the White House never made an attempt to shut down a news agency or to control news content; it issued a public statement that it will henceforth treat the Fox News Channel as a political opponent (because it is) and claimed the Fox channel’s news reporting is often conflated with opinion reporting (which is not outrageous to claim, especially considering that Fox constantly accuses every single other news network of doing that). The people who work in the White House have the right to say and do that because the people who work in the White House are protected by the same right to free speech that everyone else is. You can consider their comments inappropriate if you choose to, but it’s a pretty distant stretch to say it’s “totalitarian” for them to make the comments. The Bush White House did the exact same thing when it maligned NBC’s “liberal bias,” and political leaders have always been free to criticize their critics. Any leader who could not do that would be ineffective. Yet 40% of the comments from Fox News fans on the NPR comment forum seem to carry the assumption that the White House took some form of legal action against the Fox News agency.

What the White House essentially did was say, Fox News can say what it wants, but we don’t find it to be legitimate. As in, we don’t find them credible, and anyone listening is invited to decide whether or not to agree.

Ironically, Fox News, which is up in arms over the Obama White House’s statement, was very supportive when the Bush White House launched similar criticism of NBC. Which leads me to my third and final conversation-framing concept in free discourse.

Reciprocity, revisited.

Other peoples’ rights are based on your rights, and vice versa. Think about whether you would be willing to abide by the rules you call for, or whether or not you are doing exactly what you indignantly oppose somebody else doing. Do you ever criticize people? That means they get to criticize you. It is stupid to call somebody out for being mean when you are both being mean. It is stupid to call somebody out for being violent when you are both being violent. It is stupid to call somebody out for being combative when you are both being combative, and for being critical when you are both being critical. If you want to call a “new rule,” you have to stop doing the thing that breaks that rule before you can even consider holding the other person to it.

Interestingly, conservative commentators who celebrated the Bush White House condemning NBC launched scathing attacks on the Obama White House for condemning Fox News. Keith Olbermann, who had criticized the Bush Administration, defended the Obama Administration and criticized the pundits. These sorts of double standards are rampant in political discourse, and make useful bits of opinion or information particularly difficult to find.

Intellectual reciprocity is an important component of any constructive discourse. It is impossible to force compliance, but for any two sides to come to agreement they must first agree that both parties are allowed to respond to each other in analogous ways. It seems that it is the responsibility of K-12 English and Social Studies teachers to explain this concept, and where they fail, we must pick up the slack. That is why I have written this, as a free exercise of my own free speech, and critique of but not an infringement of the rights of those who claim otherwise.

  1. Haha, Glen Beck crying cracks me up. Gah, what a lozer.

    Comment by seanshawn — January 3, 2010 @ 9:25 pm | Reply

    • tsss. Rude.

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Answers to your questions about 1st UMC Hillsville’s New Worship Service

August 19, 2010

Over the next days, weeks, and months I will take the opportunity to try to answer your questions about the New Worship Service that is being started by 1st United Methodist Church Hillsville Virginia.

I have not had a lot of questions come to me personally but I am now getting questions for some who are getting questions from others. I hope that the information here will be helpful in making our move forward a smooth journey.

1st let me say that I am thankful that our church has seen the need for such a ministry and I am thankful that we are on our way to getting things off the ground.

This new worship service is a work in progress. The entire church body here at 1st Hillsville met together on several occasions for information sessions and this culminated in a church vote to either accept or return the offer of financial and coaching help from The Holston Conference of the United Methodist Church.

I am happy to say the offer was accepted and we are moving forward.

I will try to answer as many questions that I possibly can that come to me. If you have a concern or a question, feel free to come and see me, call me, fb, twitter, or email me.

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    I absolutley LOVE the new design! I love the different weights of the fonts-the streamilined clean look and the use of the cross and flame. Excellent! We need SHIRTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      Love, Love, Love, the shirts idea.

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Essen Day Zero

I left the halls a several hours ago for dinner and am still fairly speechless. (That’s a good time to write some things up, yes?)

Here are today’s acquisitions:

I will photo confirm that there are games in the Japon Brand booth. They were still being set up on display as I arrived and there appeared to be stock behind a curtain:

Altiplano t-shirts in case you can’t get enough of his face.

Size of this year’s advent calendar:

Um, so then I started trying to pack. First the weigh in:

Then the punching station. Also tossing inserts and foreign language rulebooks.

I always assumed that when folks talk about nesting game boxes that they mean with closed lid, but somebody suggested tonight trying open face nesting…for now I’m going with it.

Post punching weigh in:

Is that bad? I thought it would be less. Luckily Rescue Polar Bears and Altiplano are two of the heaviest on my list, and most things are lighter.

Other things I saw around the halls: here’s that 40,000 piece puzzle again…

Spiral potato, schmiral schmotato- has there always been a choco-kebab?! (Also, what is it?)

There was also a vending machine of sorts at the Repos booth that looked quite interesting, but I couldn’t get close enough to tell what it was.

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Weds first news from Essen

Well, setup day is always hectic. Everyone is still too busy to talk.

The Japon brand booth still empty…

The good news is that I just heard that the games were cleared thru customs so there should be a happy ending there.

Lots of companies are having to sticker their games.

Made it to the Zoch event. Was able to eat the weisswurst correctly. Apparently the Bavarians will castigate you if you don’t peel the meat out of the casing.

The press event was larger in square footage but it felt like fewer exhibitors..

Found Time Arena from Blam! An hourglass based game that was described like Clash Royale, a game that you may have played on your phone.

Catan was there in the Game of Thrones sense

Doppel X from Schmidt. No English rules, but I’m still gonna try it

For you Benndorf fanboys, Wurfel. Blitz

Tummple. From game Factory

A tale of Pirates. What a cool 3d ship

A lot of people missed Fold It last year

There’s a. Magic maze expansion

One of my favorite puzzle series has more expansions

Agra is gonna be a table hog, but a beautiful one

No one there to explain Noria, but i want to know more

Benndorf part deux. A new Qwixx expansion

Charterstone is in the house

Finally, a huge shout out to Friedemann for bringing me some of my wife’s favorite candies from Bremen.

Only about sixteen hours until my first fried potato spiral

Until your next appointment

The gaming doctor

About Dale Yu

Dale Yu is the Editor of the Opinionated Gamers. He can occasionally be found working as a volunteer administrator for BoardGameGeek, and he previously wrote for BoardGame News.
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  1. Wouldn’t be a Dale Yu Essen update without the spiral potato! :) Man, I love this time of year! :)

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1 of or relating to a taxonomic order; "family and ordinal names of animals and plants"
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  1. Of a number, indicating position in a sequence.

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Shocking But True: Theresa Knorr, The Nightmare That Was

(Theresa Knorr, mother, torturer, murderer)

One of the cases which can accurately describe the evil and degeneration that a mother can carry within her soul is the case of Theresa Knorr, who literally tortured her children, forced them to be prostitutes, and then brutally killed two of them.

Theresa had three daughters, Sheila, Suesan, and Terry. There were also two sons in the family but the sons were treated much better because Theresa was jealous of her daughters. Suesan received much of the abuse and was forced to eat massive amounts of lard. If she threw up, she was then made to eat her own vomit. The children were forced to beat each other and to hold one another down for beatings.

Sheila Knorr, age 15

(Sheila Cross age 15)

At the age of twenty, Theresa forced Sheila into prostitution in order to pay the bills. Although Sheila was horrified at the idea, she did what she was told. She also found that prostituting herself allowed her to come and go as she pleased. Her beatings also ceased as long as she was providing the income by selling her body.

This shows how much control a parent has over their child. Sheila could have told authorities at any time what was happening in the home -or at the very least- she could have run from the family. She instead obeyed her mother and suffered the life of a prostitute. Sheila was twenty years-old. If Sheila could not bring herself to tell anyone about the abuse, then how can society be surprised when a small child does not tell anyone they are being molested or raped by their parent?

In time, Sheila contracted a venereal disease and her mother proclaimed that Sheila might give it to her through the family toilet. Terry, the youngest child, was subsequently told to handcuff Sheila to the leg of the kitchen table at night so she could not use the bathroom.

Suesan Knorr

(Suesan Knorr)

Sheila was beaten, hog tied, and was made to live in a small closet where she lived out her final days without water or food. She eventually died inside the closet and her mother had the oldest son put the body in a box and dispose of it. This shows the lengths that siblings will go to in order to keep the family secrets and to obey the parent.

Suesan, the second oldest daughter, was also made to prostitute  for family income but Suesan continued to receive beatings and other abuses at the hands of her mother.  One day, in the house of horrors, Suesan was shot by her mother in the chest and Suesan fell into the bathtub. She lay there with the bullet lodged in her back, and without any mercy, her mother then handcuffed her to the soap dish. Theresa Cross “nursed” her daughter back to “health” by keeping her chained to the tub and administering treatment while Suesan lay in agony day after day.

Somehow Theresa found the decency to prop her daughter up with pillows during her ‘recovery’ in the bathtub. Amazingly, Suesan managed to survive and her mother put her right back to work on the streets as soon as she was well. Suesan finally decided that she had enough and promised not to tell anyone about the abuse if she could just move out. Her mother said Suesan would allow her to leave, but only if the bullet could be removed from her back (to remove the evidence).

Robert Knorr, mugshot

(Robert Knorr mugshot)

In order to gain her freedom from her living nightmare, Suesan agreed. Her mother gave her Whiskey and drugs to anesthetize her and forced one of her sons to perform the procedure. With a small knife, the bullet was removed. Suesan was then handcuffed to the leg of the kitchen table where she was given diapers to wear and left to either live or die.

A week later, Suesan became demented and developed jaundice. This caused her mother to think that the yellowing of her skin was the sign of a demon and that her soul needed to be “purged by fire.” Suesan was then bound, gagged, and thrown into the trunk of the family car. Theresa and her two sons took Suesan into a deserted area and set her on fire; she was burned alive by her own brothers.

William Knorr, mugshot

(William Knorr mugshot)

The youngest daughter, Terry, figured she would be the next to die so she gathered all of her strength and confronted her mother. She said she wanted her freedom and surprisingly her mother offered it to her, but only if she would burn down the family home (once again, in order to get rid of the evidence). Terry did what she was told, and despite her mother holding a knife to her throat and trying to back out of the deal, Terry stayed strong and she was free to leave her mother.

Teresa was charged with torture and for the murder of her two daughters. She plead guilty and was given two consecutive life sentences.  One of the brothers was given three years in a state prison. The other was placed on probation for his role in the murders.

This case sounds like fiction but it is true. It is an extremely disturbing case of child abuse, torture, and murder. Of course it is not commonly found in families, but this  kind of family exists. No one knows what horror goes on behind closed doors and what kind of evil sits at the dinner table.

Sources: Notorious Murders/Death in the Family, Mother Knows Best: The Story of Theresa Jimmie Cross, Unforeseen Discovery, by David Lohr, Court TV’s Crime Library

Crime Library

Cold Case Files, Arts and Entertainment Channel, July 11, 2004

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51 Responses to Shocking But True: Theresa Knorr, The Nightmare That Was

  1. Eldest Son says:

    Will you people stop it!!! This story is tragic enough without people making up little “Tim Burton Tragic Endings”, get it? Fairy tale! She is alive, she did not die, she is doing the same work as my mother was doing, when my mother was arrested (home care giver) in the same city as my sister was living in @ the same time, Salt Lake City, Ut. She is going through upteenth divorce just like my mother & is going back to jail for DUI just like my mother. I agree like my brother Robert says “Some of bent in the wind bro & some of us broke in it” but she was far from the saint you people try to make her out to be, even as tragic & lost of a soul she really is! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS, IT IS TRAGIC ENOUGH WITHOUT YOU PEOPLE MAKING SHIT UP!!!! And until anyone of you condensending pieces of shit walk in mine or my brothers shoes you would not know what the fuck you are even spouting out your shit for brains mouths, asswipes! Fuck yourself! And as for anwsering to anyone, that is between us & whatever is after this life! So you get a fucking life & try walking a mile some elses shoes, jackoff! Howard Sanders

    • Eldest Son says:

      I wrote in anger just now & that does not help either. Theresa is alive & is going through what I said.

      There are no fairy tale endings, I wish there was but life is some much more tragic of a comedy then that. No we don’t get off so easy as to not be around, no we live on when others did not, walk a mile in anyone of our shoes & you would see the real, true & only monster here is my mother & she was made, not born. Still does not give her any right, or in anyway explain her cruel & inhumane actions!

      Howard Sanders

    • Alethea says:

      Out of respect for the family and all who suffered in it, and for the brothers, I am closing comments on this thread.

  2. Sharon says:

    Hello. When I heard (at the end of the ‘Wicked Attraction’ show) that the youngest daughter, beautiful, strong-willed Terry Knorr, had died of a heart attack at the age of 32 (shortly after her appearance on the ‘Cold Case Files’ show, “Mommy’s Rules”), I nearly cried out in sadness.

    This is a even sadder footnote to this horrifying story of a mother’s hate for her daughters. She hated all of her children, but the girls got the brunt of the hate, fueled by mental illness and jealousy. Also, Theresa had murdered her 1st husband, but she was found “NOT GUILTY”, because she claimed self-defense. Perhaps if she had not received this free pass for murder, her daughters would not have been born only to live to be brutally murdered by their own mother. G-d Bless the sweet souls of the Knorr daughters. Aleva Hashalom.

  3. Sharon E says:

    When I heard that the youngest daughter, beautiful, strong-willed Terry Knorr, had died of a heart attack (at 32) only months after her appearance on the Cold Case Files show (A&E, “Mommy’s Rules”, Ep #48), I nearly cried out in sadness. It sickens me that the so-called mother will be granted parole in 2027. I ask (retorically) how can someone have 2 “life sentences” and receive a parole date? I guess the lives she took weren’t worth much to the courts)

  4. Karisa says:

    I personally all you people who are criticizing this family just need to shut up. You all talk about how the brothers could have done more and they participated but the girls could have left too. It is apparent that their mother in her sickness had that much control over her children’s minds. What happened is no ones fault except who ever abused Theresa. Nobody is born like this. events that take place in your life pave the way to the end. Thank you eldest son for sharing your side.

  5. jill says:

    To Eldest Son.
    My heart goes out to you. My father died when I was 7 who was a cop and wonderful man unlike the man in your life then. I totally understand you being in constant fear of your mother and doing as she says and my mother was molested at age 7 by her own uncle who babysat her and no one believed her. My mothers father bet her mother everyday of her life while he carried on so many affairs, although he was so jealous over her good looks so bad the he poured bleach all over her head to ruin her highlights. He tried to kill her several times in front of my mother who was scared to death of this man. He tried drowning her and even tied her to his car dragging her down the road as my mother screamed he just kept slapping her and finally stopped when he saw a car coming. This was when there were a lot of dirt roads. His final day came after that and my mothers grandfather had enough so he came and ran her father down and shot him twice in front of the house as my mother watched. He was dead. My mother is in her fifties and has never received any help and after my daddy died I lived in hell under her mental and physical abuse until I ran away got married young she was killing me. I cannot begin to tell the hell I went through but your mother and my mother needed some true help for their prior problems. Not excusing what they have done by no means. I wish you a much better life.

  6. Rhonda Newman says:

    I cannot really comment on what I don’t know. I was never in this life burned alive or made to endear such a horrible person as my mother. I just can’t get the image of the young daughter with duck tape over her mouth and not allowed even a scream as she was burned alive. No words can match that picture. I do Know that God exists, not just believe. I know from my own experiences, that our universe has an answer to this and we are not suppose to know it now. The main thing is to let go of the anger and try to love to the best of your own ability and pray for a time when all the pain is gone from this world, finally. God Bless you all. Rhonda

  8. Julie says:

    Dear Eldest Son ~H~
    I am currently reading the book “Mothers Day” about Theresa Cross and you and your siblings. It comes through quite clearly most of the information given to the writer about your mother comes from youngest sister Terry and brother Robert.
    There are absolutely no excuses for what she did to – and how Theresa treated her children.

    Clearly you all lived a living hell and I feel deep remorse (for the children and adults you are now)in that because as a mother myself? nothing, not even a husband was as dear to my heart as the 3 daughters I gave birth to.

    The saddest thing is people had known something wasn’t right in your family but they all just gave up, like the school officials, which allowed Theresa to have great power over innocent children.

    SO sad that Theresa (as many women today still are) could only validate herself by having a man in her life, yet she lacked the skills or the desire to feed and nurture any such a relationships, therefore it was taken out on her babies.

    Robert Knorr Sr. was but a baby himself when Theresa sucked him in with sex. It is no excuse again and I am so sure many details are missing from the story I am reading. But real love of a woman for her man would not have rejected him for the damage done to his body in the Viet Nam War, as I read in the book.
    Theresa only knows self love is my final thought about her.

    I know nothing I say here can truly offer you any comfort in the pain that has and will continue to reside deep within your mind and heart.

    I as a fellow human being, would like to tell you that my empathy and compassion lies with you and your siblings and I pray that God gives you a taste of peace and contentment at this point in your lives.

    You all are worthy and deserving of being loved, not abused.

  9. Peggy says:

    The boys were spared by their incestuous mother,and helped her with these inhumane duties to their sisters,they will burn in hell as should she.At one time people could count on their mother…what happened??

    • Lisa says:

      Those boy’s were tortured too, just in a different way. I don’t think it is up to judge whether they should burn in hell, as Christ will do that for us.

  10. tjk says:

    Eldest Son are you married or have you been able to maintain a relationship ? Do you work ?

  11. Ricke says:

    Shocking story.. I really feel sorry for you.

    But you americans have to stop with the “God bless this and that” crap.

    This person will not go to hell because hell does not exist.

    God does not exist. It has been proven in Stephen Hawkings new book “The Grand Design”, sorry.

    Why the hell would God create such an insane human being?
    A simple logical arguement like that makes no difference. How about I tell you in quantom physics why God does not exist?

    As I said I feel sorry for you and your family.

    • Alethea says:

      Greetings Ricke.

      Not sure who you mean when you say, “I feel sorry for you.”

      I agree ONE HUNDRED percent that Americans need to stop saying “God Bless America!” Americans ought to instead be saying, “Thank you God for all the Blessings that you have bestowed on us. Please now Bless those who are not as fortunate and those whom our Government have murdered, abused, and maimed in our unjust and illegal wars of aggression.”

      It’s your God-given right to believe that there is no hell, heaven, or God.

      You ask, “Why the hell would God create such an insane human being?”

      Because God loved us so much that He/She gave us FREE-WILL. It was Theresa Knorr’s own will to do what she did. I would rather live in a world with free-will, and thus, in a world with abuse, murder, and suffering –than to live in a world where man was NOT given free will and thus, in a world where I am FORCED to behave, think, feel, and act in a certain way.

      Free will means there will be suffering and pain on this earth. Until mankind CHOOSES to change his consciousness, collectively and individually, there will always be suffering, child abuse, and murder.

      Actually, quantum science has PROVEN the existence of God.

    • Ty says:

      First and foremost I want to say,I dont hate you or even blame you for what u said.I dont really know what to say about the situation myself,but I know God is real.Its true that if you asked me or anybody else to prove it for a fact that we could not.

  12. zoma777 says:

    Hello Eldest Son,

    I wept when I found out about what happened to you and your sisters. From what I understand your mother has the same mental illness as my mother. My mother was a lesser version of your situation, but she did fracture my back, herniate my disc and starve me almost to death among many other horrible things. My brother was put in a similar situation as you were. He too was urged to be abusive to me, however I never blamed him because I knew he had no choice. In fact I would defend him on the rare occasion when my mother would turn on him. I thought my brother and I were the only people to undergo the bizarre mind games we did until I heard about your case. (Even after years of therapy.) In my mother’s case my father died of a heart attack when I was 10 and this is when my mother really turned her rage toward me rather than toward her preferred victim – my father. She had had a terrible childhood and never gotten help for it. I hope you are seeking therapy. I have found it to be lifesaving. My heart breaks for you, your brother and of course your sisters. Being raised by someone like your mother is impossible for a normal person to understand. I used to tell (and still do tell) my friends about things my mother did and often felt they thought I was exaggerating or lying. The worst of my mother’s offenses didn’t even come to my conscious mind until I was in my 30s. I had blocked them out. As children we love and want and need desperately to be loved by our parent(s). When you have but one, all your security is invested in that person. And when that one person is erratic, volatile and violent one moment and loving the next, it makes one feel as if everything is your fault (as the child). You feel you deserve the horrors you are enduring and you have no choice or recourse. You are trained to obey at all costs, to disconnect and rationalize about everything – to objectify other human beings as if they are objects or you can not survive. It’s a very complicated thing and I urge you to be strong in yourself and allow yourself to let go of the pain with help. I have many physical problems due to the abuse and at the same time I have many gifts as a result. You can become the phoenix and rise out of the ashes – all it takes is patience, compassion and facing your demons. Of course this is big and will probably be a life long process, but you will evolve into a more enlightened person if you allow yourself to feel the pain of all you lost – all that was stolen from you, allow yourself to grieve for it and realize you can create what you need now for yourself. I hope your mind and soul find peace and you work through the pain and get another chance for security and love in this and the next life.

  13. tjk says:

    Eldest son is there a movie about your situation or your mother ? Where are you living now and have you been able to enjoy your life now ?

    • Eldest Son says:

      No movie; there has been 3 books, 1 Cold Case Files, Couple Inside Editions, Couple Montel Williams. ~H~

      • aletheamarinanova says:

        I think that if they made a film about this family, it would have to be put in the horror film category and audiences would not accept it as a factual story. I think mainstream America would think it was all invented or that most of it was made-up. This story (because the story is true) might be too gruesome –even for blood-thirsty, violence-addicted Americans.

  14. tjk says:

    Eldest Son is your mother still alive and if so is she still in prison ? Also did your youngest sister Terry pass away ?

  15. Eldest Son says:

    Sorry for all the typos & spelling errors; I was just so rattled getting these things out of my memory~H~

  16. Eldest Son says:

    The story is so much longer & tragic then anyone can even imagine. I feel better now! Good bye & go luck to you as well! ~H~

    • aletheamarinanova says:

      Eldest son,

      I’m sorry for what you have endured but it seems as though you are a survivor. I’m sorry for your pain but happy that expressing yourself helps you. Feel free to do so.

      I agree that your mother was not born a monster, but I have to think that something horrible happened to her in childhood as well for her to have escalated to the point that she did.

      Peace to you.

      • Eldest Son says:

        Yes there was, but there was all the things that happened to her before she actually went completely nuts but after her childhood. She made terrible choices in life & in men after my father, including boyfriends. As I said I know what the story is & I know the most important things are that made her the way she is- BUT LETS BE PERFECTLY CLEAR HERE ” I DO NOT & WILL NOT BELIEVE IT WAS EVER AN EXCUSE TO DO WHAT SHE DID”, because I should nuts too but yes there are some mitagating factors. ~H~

    • aletheamarinanova says:

      Eldest Son,

      Childhood abuse and trauma does not usually affect the person until they are in their late teens and twenties, sometimes not until their thirties. I wouldn’t discount her childhood as the least important influence in her mental health. Nevertheless, my comments were not made to excuse her, I just always like to point out that people are not born monsters, there is always a root cause.

  17. Dorothy says:

    Terry Knorr unfortunately died of a fatal heart attack at age 32. I guess she suffered so much that her heart could not take it. God bless her soul!

    • aletheamarinanova says:

      Thanks Dorothy. Poor thing, she must have had so much pain and repressed rage built up in her heart. I’m sure that passing on was a blessing for her.

    • Eldest Son says:

      No she did not, find me her death record but you can’t because it does not exist. She lives in the St.Jo, Mo area!~H~

  18. South Africa says:

    Eldest son – I can identify with your history, as i have been involved with an “unfortunate” situation myself. Dont let these people criticise you or give you a hard time. Ive also been there myself and know its best to have supportive people who know what they are talking about around you, not people who live in glass houses and make judgments from protected little worlds.

    Good luck to you friend!

    • Eldest Son says:

      Thank you South Africa for the kind words. I read these things & I get angry because people have only heard what my youngest sibling barely remembers about the way things were. She would have been next there is no doubt in my mind & my mother is one insane bitch, but she was not born that way! I read something like Kimberlee Pierce writes & think you have no fucking clue how abusive this prick of a stepfather was- 1.He beat my mother some many times I cannot even begin to count 2. He raped her on the floor in front of me & my now deceased grandfather(who by the way was in a wheel chair with parkinson’s)3. He beat me so often & badly that I can clearly remember playing,as children do,pretending I was one of the animals @ the Zoo, Quess what animal,thats right a leopard,becuase I had so many bruises on me I though I looked like the cat! 4. That mother never pay a dime of child support in his worthless life! No body knows the Pre story,the making of the monster, the hell that was our lives for years! The journey of insanity that was Theresa Jimmie Francine Cross/Pulliam/Harris! Not even me but I do know 75%+ of it, because I was there 8 years before Terry was even born!

      • Eldest Son says:

        So I agree there is a special place in Hell for my mother but it is right next to the spot that Robert Wallace Knorr Sr resides at! I rmember in kindergarden she left him & we moved back to North Highlands, Sacramanto County, California from San Fransico with the help Aunt Clara(Tapp) becuase she new what was going on! Although he found us eventually but until then we literally lived on pinto beans & potatoes for 3 months solid. There is so much it makes my head hurt. ~H~

      • Eldest Son says:

        I have rad the books & watched the shows and they have none of the people including Robert Wallace Knorr Sr that should have & could have done more but let things slip through the cracks. For Bob it was his new family with Geargia DeSouza(which I have read that he was being accused of cheating, well the women he was accused of cheating with by my mother happens to be the women he married after my mother divorsed his sorry ass)!~H~

      • Anonymous says:

        thank you for opening up about this – i sometimes struggle to talk about the things i have seen, but thats my cross to bear and i work at it everyday!!
        I hope you and i both find peace, there’s days and even years where i dont think it possible but every now and then there are a few glimmers of moving on and just “forgetting”. im tired of carrying this with me to be honest!! anyway whatever

        if you dont mind me asking! have you ever gone to see your mother in chow chilla?

        south africa

      • Eldest Son says:

        No, I have not been to see her. Have read on this website letters from her in prison they are trying to sell. I have rad some exerts from them & she seems the same man starved, crazy bitch she was. ~H~

      • aletheamarinanova says:

        Thanks for posting that link. It’s not okay that people are trying to make money off those letters, but it’s amazing how normal she sounds in her letters, and how she can say that her niece is “not a nice person.” How strange that comment is –coming from a person who has committed such horrific crimes.

      • south africa says:

        -H- I saw the letters your mom wrote, is the penpal a real friend or is it just someone who writes to her to be able to sell the letters

        do you ever keep in contact with your half brothers, the Knorr boys William and Robert?

        what murder was robert junior involved in, in Nevada?

        where are the now

  19. angel says:

    If have read before that she had 6 childeren. The oldest being Howard. what happened to this child ?

    • aletheamarinanova says:

      From Wikipedia:

      “Theresa Knorr was born Theresa Jimmie Cross in Sacramento, California. She was the youngest child in the family and very devoted to her mother. When her mother died in 1961, she went into a depression. At the age of 16, she married Clifford Clyde Sanders. They had a son, Howard Clyde Sanders in 1964. Their marriage ended when Knorr shot Sanders, 22, to death in the summer of 1964 while they were living in Galt, California. She was tried but acquitted of the crime, having claimed self defense. She was pregnant at the time and would shortly deliver her second child, Sheila Gay Sanders, in 1965.

      In 1966, when seven months pregnant with her third child, she married the child’s father, Robert Knorr. The child, Suesan Marlene Knorr, was born in September 1966, followed a year later by a son named William Robert Knorr, and in 1968, another son, Robert Wallace Knorr, Jr. In 1970, Theresa gave birth to daughter Theresa (Terry) Marie Knorr, named after herself.

      None of Knorr’s children were spared her physical, verbal, and psychological abuse. However, Knorr had a special hatred for her daughters…”

      • Eldest Son says:

        None of the Sanders children were spared either! Remember Sheila is a Sanders & as for me? I’m alive

  20. gee says:

    im sorry but those 2 boys would know right from wrong if they went to school and just as human beings you love your siblings its really sad. and for those 2 poor girls the suffering they indured its just like that case about sylvia likens who was brutally tortured by gertie wright that terrible woman and had every child from the nieghborhood abuse her carving “im a prostitute and proud of it” on her stomach.. evenutally her frail body gave out and she died from blunt trama to her head. i pray for any child who is going through this now and hopefully they get the strength to get out. and any witnesses to this type of abuse on children come foward.

    • aletheamarinanova says:

      Hi Gee. I agree that the two sons were far from innocent, but people need to understand the dynamics of these families. The mother has a deep psychological hold on the children and keeps them in control through fear and favoritism. You have to study other cases of victims, who were able to go freely to work or to school while they were also being raped and abused, to understand the hold that the perpetrator has on his or her victims.

      *However* those two boys will have to answer to God for having participated in the torture and murders. They have some immunity because of their ages at the time and because of their mother being the demon in that household, but they do have some moral responsibility.

      • Allison says:

        Look up Stockholm Syndrome. It is similar to post traumatic stress disorder, and little was know about it in the 60’s. Many victims of extended kidnap, torture and abuse develop this afflicition. It’s the only way they know how to survive. You can’t fault the boys if she abused all of them from the time they were little. They will have to live with the memories for the rest of their lives.

      • aletheamarinanova says:

        Hi Allison,

        I am well aware of Stockholm Syndrome, I lived a form of it during my entire childhood.

        When a child or adult is a VICTIM of this psychological dysfunction, then indeed they cannot be faulted. But when a teenager or adult takes part in the torture, abuse and murder of another human being, they are no longer innocent.

      • Eldest Son says:

        The hold she had on them was total. I know! If you haven’t been there you will never know! And yes will & do live with our nightmares forever! Do not speak on things you have no idea what you speak about!

  21. kimberlee pierce says:

    i can only say this about this “woman”,because she was no mother,my best friend in this whole world was robert wallace knorr,until the day he died he wished nothing more than to see this woman die for the mental abuse she put all of his children through,he had hoped that suesan would see justice served for crimes commited against her by the one person she was supposed to trust…but she shouldnt worry hell will still be there when this old bat gets there.

    • aletheamarinanova says:

      Hi Kimberlee. I’m so sorry for your loss. I feel deep sympathy for what those two boys had to endure. I understand the psychological dynamics that can cause a person to fear a parent so much that they will do anything for them. Yes, Theresa will suffer the consequences of what she did (as do we all). Hopefully her soul will experience remorse for the torture she inflicted on her children.

    • Eldest Son says:

      He was no Saint in this! He could have & should have done way more then he did. I know the whole story & he ain’t no saint

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Great and Holy Pascha

The Paschalion of the Orthodox Church combines the metonic and solar calendrical cycles to determine the date of Pascha for a given year. A common formula to determine the date of Pascha was created in connection with the First Ecumenical Council, held at Nicea in 325 A.D.

The Nicene Formula

From 326 A.D. (the first year following the Council), Pascha has been officially defined as the first Sunday following the date of the Paschal Full Moon ("PFM") for a given year. The PFM is not, however, as commonly thought, the first full moon following the vernal equinox. Rather, the PFM is the first Ecclesiastical Full Moon ("EFM") date that follows March 20. Ecclesiastical Full Moons are calendar dates that approximate of astronomical full moons using a cycle that repeats every 19 years. March 20 is the date used for determining the PFM because it was the near the date of the vernal equinox in the early 4th century A.D., when the Paschal cycle was being developed.

Because of the inaccuracy of the Julian Calendar, Pascha is drifting later into the year for those who use the Julian Paschalion. Thus, while according to the calendar, for those using the Julian Calendar Pascha will always be sometime in March or April, it will eventually be celebrated in the northern hemisphere in the summer, the autumn, and then the winter. (For those using the Revised Julian Calendar, the calendar date of Pascha is drifting along with its astronomical position.) Additionally the Julian Ecclesiastical Full Moons are deviating further with time from the astronomical full moons: The EFM now falls 3 to 5 days after the corresponding astronomical full moon. The Gregorian Calendar, which includes its own revised Paschalion, has neither of these problems.

The Gregorian Reform

In October 1582, the Roman Catholic Church adopted a major calendar reform designed to correct for the 10-day drift in the vernal equinox since the First Ecumenical Council. The Julian calendar then in common use was based on an average year of 365.25 days, slightly longer than the mean tropical year of 365.24219 days and the mean vernal equinox year of 365.2424 days.

The new calendar was called the Gregorian after its sponsor, Pope Gregory XIII. The reform also introduced refinements to the calculation of Pascha.

The Rejected Proposal of 1923

A congress of Orthodox bishops meeting in 1923 under the presidency of Patriarch Meletios IV agreed to set Pascha by means of precise astronomical computations referred to the meridian of Jerusalem.[1] This proposal was, however, never implemented in any Orthodox diocese.

East and West Today

The Roman Catholic and Protestant West eventually adopted the Gregorian Calendar for civil and ecclesiastical purposes, including the determination of Pascha. The Orthodox East, however, was not so quick to change. Even when the traditionally Orthodox countries began to adopt the Gregorian Calendar for civil purposes, the Orthodox Church retained the Julian Calendar and original Paschalion. For the sake of convenience, the date of Pascha is often transposed to the coincident date on the Gregorian Calendar for reference.

Because of the difference in calendars and formulas, Western Easter and Orthodox Pascha do not often coincide. Under current rules, they can differ from each other by 0, 1, 4, or 5 weeks. They are in separate lunations (meaning that they 4 or 5 weeks apart because their respective cycles identify different lunar months as the Paschal lunar month) in years 3, 8, 11, 14, and 19 of the 19-year cycle, and in the same lunation (0 or 1 week apart) in the other years.

Many notable mathematicians have developed algorithms for determining the date of Orthodox Pascha over the centuries. This simple and elegant one was devised by the brilliant mathematician Jacques Oudin in the 1940s:

N.B. -- In this formula MOD is the modulus function, in which the first number is divided by the second and only the remainder is returned. Further, all division is integer division, in which remainders are discarded. Thus 22 MOD 7 = 1 but 22 / 7 = 3.

G = year MOD 19
I = ((19 * G) + 15) MOD 30
J = (year + (year/4) + I) MOD 7
L = I - J
Easter Month = 3 + ((L + 40)/44)
Easter Day = L + 28 - 31 * (Easter Month/4)

Easter Month will be a number corresponding to a calendar month (e.g., 4 = April) and Easter Day will be the day of that month. Note that this returns the date of Pascha on the Julian calendar. To get the corresponding date on the Gregorian calendar, add 13 days (14 days after March 1, 2100).

Online Paschalion Utility

You can find the date of Pascha and many Pascha-dependent dates (e.g., the start of Great Lent, Pentecost, etc.) through this online JavaScript Paschalion utility (works best with IE3 or Netscape 3 or above).

This site allows the user to enter a year and uses Oudin's algorithm to compute the relevant dates. Although the Orthodox (Julian-based) formulas are used, the utility returns the corresponding Gregorian calendar dates. For example, in 2006 Pascha falls on Sunday, April 10, on the Julian calendar. That date corresponds to April 23 on the Gregorian calendar.

A perpetual Paschalion utility is available here. The utility was created by Aleksandr Andreev of Duke University and calculates Pascha and associated feasts for any series of years. It also calculates the numbers used in Paschal calculations which can be found in an Orthodox Typicon.

1. M. Milankovitch, "Das Ende des julianischen Kalenders und der neue Kalender der orientalischen Kirchen", Astronomische Nachrichten 220, 379-384(1924).

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How to Make Hair Silky With Vinegar. A vinegar rinse is an excellent way to remove residue buildup caused by old hair spray, shampoo and conditioners from your hair. However, many people don't know that you can make hair silky with apple cider vinegar. Just by following a few simple steps, your hair will have a beautiful healthy shine and the silky texture you love. Before long, your hair will look like liquid silk.

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  • Shampoo your hair a second time after applying the apple cider mixture, to make sure your hair doesn't smell like the vinegar, although once your hair dries, there won't be any vinegar odor. You can substitute white vinegar for the apple cider vinegar. For extra soft, supple and shiny hair, use an egg shampoo. Simply massage two raw eggs into your scalp and through your hair. Follow with a vinegar rinse.

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How to Replace a Lost Birth Certificate in Arkansas

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There are several ways to acquire a copy of a birth certificate.

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A lost birth certificate can pose a huge hassle for anyone trying to apply for a passport, prove citizenship or obtain a driver's license, among other processes that require you to prove your identification. If you were born in Arkansas and have lost your certificate, don't worry; you should be able to get a new one online without much trouble. Birth certificates in Arkansas are available for births from Feb. 1, 1914, to present, with a limited number available before 1914 and a limited number available from 1881 in Little Rock and Fort Smith, specifically.

Ordering a Birth Certificate Online

You can use VitalChek, an official service authorized by Arkansas, to order certified vital records. Your first order costs $12, and each additional copy costs $10. Just head to VitaChek's website and have the following information at hand:

  • Location of birth (county, city and hospital name)
  • Month, day and year of birth
  • Full name
  • Reason for ordering the birth certificate
  • Parents' names
  • Shipping and billing addresses
  • Credit card information
  • Proof of identification (Social Security number and/or photo identification)

If you choose regular mail, your order will be processed in 20 to 25 business days and be delivered in another seven to 10 days. If you go with express delivery, expect a processing time of 15 to 20 business days, with overnight delivery.

Ordering a Birth Certificate Through the Department of Health

If you're uncomfortable ordering the birth certificate online and would rather do so in person, you can visit the Arkansas Department of Health at 4815 West Markham St. in Little Rock with $12 (the cost of your first copy; subsequent copies are $10) and a completed birth certificate application, available online at the Department of Health's website.

Remember that you'll need photo identification to accompany your application. If you're paying with a check, make it out to Arkansas Department of Health.

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If the lost birth certificate in question isn't actually yours, you should first make sure that you're authorized to order the certificate. You can do so if you meet one of the following qualifications:

  • You are the parent or legal guardian of the person in question.
  • You are entitled by court order, attorney or a licensed adoption agency to receive the birth certificate.
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Featuring Camp Cope, Compassion Gorilla, Lonely Stretch and more

Violent Soho – ‘Viceroy’ [AU]
The Preatures – ‘Girlhood’ [AU]
Camp Cope – ‘Lost: Season One’ [AU]
The Scientists – ‘Mini Mini Mini’ [AU]
The Scientists – ‘Perpetual Motion’ [AU]
Lonely Stretch – ‘Not Very Much’ [AU]
Tough Age – ‘Everyday Life’ [CA]
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The legendary Scientists, fronted by Kim Salmon, are back with a surprise single Mini Mini Mini / Perpetual Motion – their first since the late 1980s! We air both tracks which feature the unmistakable swamp-rock sound that defined the records they released after emerging from Perth, WA in the late 70s. We introduce listeners to Melbourne band Camp Cope, Night People from Vancouver and Compassion Gorilla from Victoria, BC whose upbeat tracks feature a most excellent brass section.


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A-Rod menu’s all his own

Alex Rodriguez is bringing his own food to restaurants in order to watch his diet as he prepares for spring training in Florida. The Yankee slugger was spotted at the Mondrian Hotel pool in South Beach on Saturday afternoon having lunch with girlfriend Torrie Wilson. But A-Rod didn’t order from the menu — sources say he’s following a special high-protein diet and travels with a cooler of his own grub. Rodriguez was seen asking a waitress to heat up his special meal in the kitchen, while Wilson nibbled on the poolside cafe’s chips and guacamole. A-Rod’s rep declined to comment. On Friday night, he joined his Yankee teammate Derek Jeter at Michael Jordan’s 49th birthday party. Jordan’s fiancée, Yvette Prieto, organized a surprise dinner at Miami’s Forge restaurant, joined by Paula Abdul, who sang “Happy Birthday.” Rodriguez later partied with Jordan and Jeter at South Beach club Mokai. The athletes, all without dates except for Jordan, danced at a table near the DJ booth until 2:30 a.m.

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Is it Time to Stop Sensationalizing and Start Simplifying the Solution?

Americans are tireless talkers. Let’s face it, we like to pontificate. What’s more, we love to debate. We are drawn deep into the drama and entertainment of sound bites, gotcha moments, and sensationalized current affairs. Lights, camera, action used to be enough to sustain our attention. Now we need a steady dose of a few dropped f-bombs, hair extensions ripped out, and nonsensical rants for the replay reel to keep us immersed. What’s more, we will like, hashtag, and share the hell out of entertaining content. If it goes viral, we’re all over it.

Admittedly, I feed the beast of the booming buzz business. Once (maybe twice) a week I fix myself a scrumptious snack, get cozy on the couch, relieve myself of all responsibilities, and get sucked into some choice binge TV viewing. Hey, who doesn’t like to get briefed in their own home Situation Room by Wolf Blitzer, or follow the feuds by flashing back and forth between the Kardashians, Housewives, and Scandal? Listening to Donald Trump can make a bowl of pretzels disappear like a Houdini act. Note to self: buy more pretzels before the next Republican debate.Â

Magicians, pop culture, and finger foods aside, we recognize that sensationalized stories sell, but they don’t typically result in fundamental societal change, sustained action, or progress. Of late I find myself asking whether or not sustainability practitioners are shooting ourselves in our foot?

We give praise for small and big accomplishments: from local solar installations, to green car purchases, to backyard composting and organic gardening, to deploying leading edge ‘sustainable technologies’ in manufacturing, reducing GHG emissions, conserving water, and so on. All of these things are awesome. These accomplishments happen because people (and organizations) take deliberate action to improve their condition. I commend anyone who is hard at work on these kinds of critical initiatives.

But at this time and place in the evolution of humanity, with all that we know, with the sophistication and scale of technology we now have, and the sensibility toward environmental stewardship and ecosystem services we’ve grown to understand — shouldn’t we now be doing all of these things and more, without hesitation, without question, without the need for validation, approval, or accolade? Are our efforts to mobilize humanity with broad, sweeping sustainability goals desensitizing us to the ever-present realities occurring throughout the world, and which require continued adaptation and attention of resources? Do we need a more precision, surgical-like, and simple approach to sustainability?

I recently read an interesting article,Â How to Communicate Sustainability at a Brand Level, published by Sustainable Brands. The article provides examples on how brands including Pepsi, Ben & Jerry’s, and Hellman’s are integrating the power of story into their product branding, and in ways that enable specific sustainability messages to resonate with their consumers.

Kudo’s to these and other companies and brands that are working hard to connect consumers, create conversations, and drive conscious change. Think about the difficult task marketers have to communicate sustainability with consumers. As if getting consumers to pay attention to basic product marketing messages was not already challenging enough, asking them to evaluate their purchasing decisions and consumption behaviors in the light of tough topics like climate change is downright daunting.

Some people believe that sustainability is far too complex and serious a topic to communicate among consumers and citizens. For example,Â The Big Brand Report, examined how 195 global brands communicate using Facebook and observed that most Facebook users simply don’t want to be overwhelmed by content that is “too serious.” Sustainability falls into the “serious” category. It needs something to spice it up a little, like a dancing cat, singing dog, or surprised spider monkey.

That’s troubling news, especially for me, someone who doesn’t have any pets and tends to be an overly serious person. I’m working on that by the way! I’m stimulated by sustainability, and all of the branches of its sprawling tree limbs, extending deep roots, blossoming and dying leaves.

Sustainability is a challenging concept. It’s not easy to dismantle, make sense of, let alone achieve. As a framework for making sense of the anthro-ecologic complex, sustainability is not a panacea. At times it can appear to be more like a distant mirage in the shifting desert sands. If you’re chasing sustainability, you’re likely going to die from thirst and exhaustion before you capture it. Sustainability is not a destination, it is a state of mind that can (if allowed to) enliven your journey, and enrich the milestones along the way.

Sustainability is also a choice, it doesn’t (and will not) happen by chance, however it will be heavily induced by change. Change is difficult. Change can be imposed or it can be influenced. Some people are indifferent to change, and others, influence change through innovation. Where the choice to influence change aligns with a desire to innovate, the net result can be sustainable outcomes. Conversely, when change is imposed and butts up against intolerance or indifference, unsustainable (negative) outcomes persist.

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Let’s face it. We sensationalize sustainability. We have a tendency to present data with grim and grave prediction. We’ve had to do this, and to some extent need to keep doing so. But the dramatization of sustainability has an Achilles heel. Unfortunately for many, sustainability is a too serious, laying between the mental doldrums of a fear-factor and complete downer subject, not to be touched with a 10 foot pole. Thus as sustainability effort yield success, there is a subset of society that has become desensitized due to a steady stream of solemn forecasts. They’ve been told a mix of outcomes: sea levels will rise, crops will die, toxins will bioaccumulate, geo-political conflicts will intensify, and societal unrest will ensue.

These concerns are real and happening. The constant berating of business, government, society by sustainability soothsayers for not acting sooner and swifter is damaging. It fuels foolish feuds between the factions, perpetuating finger pointing and distances us from attaining truth and progress. Further, this outdated form of communication undermines the ability of humanity to mobilize the will and strength to take resolute action.

The power of story is an effective tool for sustainability evangelists. And as good storytellers and marketers know, selling the story requires an emotional hook that can delight and captivate. But telling a story is not easy. Sustainability is a local and global concern. Issues a world away are distant and disconnected to our daily reality. And while what’s happening in our own backyard should be a top concern, too often we put our attention and resources to task away from the communities that need them the most.

Our generation has great deal to reconcile as there are no shortages of converging challenges we face globally. The basic needs of humanity remain under-served. More than half of the world’s 7.3 billion people live in extreme poverty. They lack adequate access to suitable food, water, shelter, and clothing. We also know that as the world’s population increases, people continue to congregate in urban areas, often in coastal geographies that are vulnerable to natural disasters including earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, wildfires, and drought. And here in the back yard of one of the wealthiest nations on earth, American’s still have yet to adequately address a slew of integrated sustainability concerns ranging from poverty, disease, hunger, climate change, healthcare reform, education, social security, economic and national security.

An important question we need to ask of ourselves is whether in our efforts to celebrate success and share knowledge, are we also becoming blinded by our own do-good-isms, which can, if we don’t stop in our tracks every once in a while, lead our collective futures into places that we never intended?

Although we have 20/20 vision looking at past mistakes, we remain limited in our perception of what our future may bring. But we are making progress. Although sustainability remains an obscure topic, we cannot dismiss that there has been a convergence happening among business, government, NGO, and stakeholder interests.

This year the United Nations’Â Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs)Â were refined to heighten awareness of, and drive action toward, solving the world’s most pervasive development challenges.

The World Business Council for Sustainable Development (WBCSD) has leveraged the power of business to support the roll-out and implementation of itsÂ Low-Carbon Technology Partnerships Initiative (LCTPi)Â so that integrated partnerships can deliver lower-carbon based energy infrastructure, products, and services to the neediest regions of the world.

TheÂ Sustainability Accounting Standards Board (SASB)Â has advanced the use of sustainability accounting standards within public corporations so that investors can have more transparent access to data and information material to their informed investment decisions.

With sustainability more front and center than ever, many people are asking whether the progress being made is happening at a scale and speed that will truly make a difference, particularly in the areas of decarbonization the economy and working reducing GHG emissions impacting climate change. A recentÂ New York Times interactive graphicÂ creatively lays out the data on climate change and the voluntary pledges made by nations to curtail greenhouse gas emissions (GHGs) and simply asks, “will they [climate pledges] fix anything?”

The 12 o’clock alarm has rung. Climate change is happening and dramatic impacts on humanity are underway. Yet there remains a faction of individuals, and in the U.S. in particular, that choose to dismiss the changes happening before their eyes. Americans like entertainment. The longer the climate debate plays out in politics, the more distracted we will be from the reality that we need to willingly adapt to climate change and modify our lifestyles. Of course the option to do nothing remains on the table, but prolonging recognition that climate change is happening only intensifies the potential for negative economic, social, and environmental damages.

Sustainability is serious business trapped in a world where no one wants to be fed a steady dose of serious. Daily life and just working to make ends meet for basic survival can be overwhelming enough for many people. Thus dismantling sustainability into bite sized snacks is simply not part of the daily regimen. We want light hearted humor, sex, drama, and outrageous opinion (not necessarily in that order). We prefer to reserve serious as an option for the Saturday night Movie-On-Demand main feature, when the kids are asleep, and after we’re reached our fill of sensational non-real reality pop culture from our friend, the absolutely divine DVR.

What’s ironic is that we’re really missing out on something special. If you didn’t already realize, sustainability is the ultimate Shakespearean story. How the sustainability plot plays out, whether as a classic comedy, tragedy, or social history, is completely up to us.

Simplistically, sustainability is story of titans, the clashing of God’s, and the forces between good versus evil. Big business against big government, tempered by big data. That’s an aspect of our reality. But look deeper, and you will find that sustainability is a transitional story about the evolving human condition, and how we reconcile our existence with earth and the cosmos. Our character is complex, as humans play the roles of both antagonist and protagonist in the story of sustainability.

But amid its vast potential sustainability has become a politically charged word. It has its own global movement, represents an enormous economic opportunity, and remains a self-effacing generational reality leveling our bravado and reminding us that human evolution is still in its infancy. Humanity has a great deal of work to do, particularly with regard to our respect for human life and the environment.

We are at odds with one another, exercised by a selfish pursuit of control (over earth, each other, and the unknowns life has to offer), and left only to discover that ultimately this is futile in the context of time and fate. As we seek to control our external environment, we are also forced to battle the most pervasive adversary, ourselves. As our ego and conscious collide we are blinded by the obvious reality that control is an illusion.

But as we’ve transitioned the word sustainability to take on a meaning for our generation, we’ve made a breakthrough. Let’s keep our goals aspirational, yet attainable. Let’s defray indecision with good data and fact. And let’s keep this journey fluid and flexible, responsive to change. Whether we are adopting climate adaptation strategies, fighting hunger, eradicating the world of disease, transitioning to a decarbonized economy, or adapting to a world of asymmetric terror threats, simplifying sustainability will be critical to our success.

We [humans] are our own worst enemy. Although some humans make a great show out of perception, none of us truly has ultimate control, as we cannot control anything but our own behaviors. Thus the greatest power and potential anyone can reveal to the world, is control over their own spirit, actions, and behaviors.

Sustainability then, is up to us. The sensational power of story can make us laugh, cry, dread the future, get angry, become dismissive and distant, and bring us together. Sustainability is a story that we all live out each day. We have a choice to make the story our own, one that lives beyond us, throughout the ages, and for another generation to retell their grandchildren.

So how sensationalized does the story need to be? Will the fate of humanity be a Shakespearean tragedy? Will we be a comeback, feel good, or comedic story? Who knows? But one thing is for certain – all the world is a vast sustainability stage – each of us has a role in the production. What role will you choose to play?

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Drugs, Dignity and Danger: Human Dignity as a Constitutional Constraint to Limit Overcriminalization

55 Pages Posted: 14 Aug 2012 Last revised: 3 May 2013

Michal Buchhandler-Raphael

Washington and Lee University School of Law

Date Written: August 13, 2012

The American criminal justice system is under tremendous pressures, increasingly collapsing under its heavy weight, thus requiring inevitable change. One notable feature responsible for this broken system is over-criminalization: the scope of criminal law is constantly expanding, making individuals liable to conviction and punishment for an ever-wider range of behaviors. One area where over-criminalization is most notable concerns victimless crimes, namely, individuals who engage in consensual conducts which inflict only harm on themselves but not on third parties, such as prostitution, pornography, sadomasochism, gambling, and most notably, drug crimes.

Despite increasing scholarly critique of the continued criminalization of these behaviors, particularly drug offenses, significant limits on the scope of victimless crimes have not yet been adopted. Two features characterizing criminal law account for this: first, in contrast with criminal procedure, constitutional law has not placed any significant limits on substantive criminal law, and second, there is no coherent theory of criminalization that sets clear boundaries between criminal and non-criminal behaviors.

This article proposes a constitutional constraint to limit criminalization of victimless crimes, and particularly to alleviate the pressures on the criminal justice system emanating from its continuous “war on drugs." To accomplish this goal, the article explores the concept of human dignity, a fundamental right yet to be invoked in the context of substantive criminal law. The U.S. Supreme Court’s jurisprudence invokes conflicting accounts of human dignity: liberty as dignity, on the one hand, and communitarian virtue as dignity on the other. However, the Court has not yet developed a workable mechanism to reconcile these competing concepts in cases where they directly clash. The article proposes guidelines for balancing these contrasting interests and then applies them to drug crimes, illustrating that adopting such guidelines would result in constraining the scope of substantive criminal law.

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Buchhandler-Raphael, Michal, Drugs, Dignity and Danger: Human Dignity as a Constitutional Constraint to Limit Overcriminalization (August 13, 2012). Tennessee Law Review, Vol. 80, 2013. Available at SSRN: or

Michal Buchhandler-Raphael (Contact Author)

Washington and Lee University School of Law ( email )

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Medical. by Dr. Grant, and am now quite web, being able to hear as well as ever I did. Arthur Parkinson, Farmer, Opotiki. Mangere, Onehunga, Auckland, August 26, 1880. For thirty-five years I have been suffering with diseased eyes. Since August 6 I have been under Dr. Grant's care, and am rapidly recovering. —J. Nigh OLis. Symonds street, Auckland, August 2T, 1880. I have been deaf for eighteen years (since I was four years old) the drums of both years having ulcerated away. lam still improving under Dr. Grant’s care, and can hoar much better now, sometimes very well.— Margaret Sanderson. Auckland Lunatic Asylum, Whan, Aug. 28, 1880. This is to certify that I have been under Dr. Grant’s care for hardness of hearing from the 13th instant, and find I am so far improved as to hear the ticking of a watch, which I could not dc before I put myself under his treatment. lam over sixty years old.— John King. OPINIONS OF THE PRESS. We can conscientiously recommed those suffering from deafness or other ailments that Dr. Grant has made a special study of, to pay him a visit, when, if curable patients, they may certainly expect relief. An instance came under our notice on Thursday, in the case of a man named Charles Swanson, who Isad been very deaf for three years, but, after ten days’ treatment, can now hear perfectly even the lowest whisper. The cure is a rather remarkable one, as he had been under the care of many medical men, but has received no benefit whatever from their treatment —New Zealander, Dec. 27, 1879. Mr. Earnest D'Egville Michau called at our-office yesterday, and stated that he had been blind with the right eye all his lifetime. Hearing about Dr. Grant, the oculist, who is now on a visit to this city, ho determined to give him a trial. He had only been under Dr. Grants treatment ten or eleven days when he found that he could see large objects at some distance. Mr. Michau states that he had been under the treatment of some of the best medical men at home, but had not ; received the least benefit. We are at all times chary of accepting details of “ Wonderful cures,” but the young man who called at our office appearei to be telling the truth, and was exceedingly grateful to Dr. Gant for the relief which he has already experienced. —New Z<xiland Times , Dec. 25, 1879. Dr. Grant has recently effected a very remarkable cure in the case of Mrs. D. ■ Evans, of Kumara, who has been under his treatment for deafness since Feb. 14, last. Mrs. Evans has been deaf in both . ears for a very long period—no less than thirty years—her affliction .having been caused by a fever, from which she_ suffered severely. Since that time she has been , almost totally deaf, for she could only f hear the the loudest sounds. Since she - has been under Dr. Grant’s treatment her hearing has gradually improved, so that now she can hear plainly conversation in ’ an ordinary tone of voice. She will re--1 turn in a few days to Kumara perfectly ’ well, and in possession of the full faculty B of which she has been so long deprived. — West Coast Times, March 10, 1880. c One of the employees in the Public Works office here has sent us the follow--1 ing testimonial to the skill of Dr. Grant. He says :—“I wish to let you know that - Dr. Grant has greatly improved the hears ing of one of my ears, the membrane of which was injured some six years ago. I may add that two surgeons, whom I consulted a short time ago, considered the ’ case incurable. ” Dr. Grant has also been very successful in several difficult cases of ’ disease of the eye. —Hokitika Times, = March 23, 1880. There are amongst Dr. Grant’s snccessful eye cases at Hokitika, a young lady, 3 at J. Jack’s, Esq., the Mayor, cured, by ? operation, of squinting; and Mrs. y Wavent, operation for artificial pupil. P Dr. Grant is also SPECIALIST in the ’ DISEASES of WOMEN and CHILDREN. 428 STEEDMAN’S SOOTHING POWDERS FOR " CHILDREN CUTTING TEETH. CAUTICN TO PURCHASERS. • The value of this well-known Family Medicine has been largely tested in all parts of the • world, and by,all grades of society, for upwards r of FIFTY YEARS. Its well-earned exten- ’ sive sale has induced SPURIOUS IMITA- ; TIONS, some of which in OUTWARD 3 APPEARANCE so closely resemble the ori- : girial as to haVe deceived many purchasers. The proprietor therefore feels it due to the public to give a special caution against the use of SUCH IMITATIONS. Purchasers are therefore requested carefully 3 to observe the four following distinctive 3 characteristics, without which none axe > genuine : 3 Ist—ln every case the words JOHN • STEEDMAN, CHEMIST, WALWORTH, SURREY, are engraved on the Government i Stamp affixed to each packet. , 2nd —Each Single Powder has directions for 1 the dose, and the words, John Steedman, Chemist, Walworth, Surrey, printed thereon. , 3rd —The name, Steedman, is always spelt with two EE’s. 4th —The manufacture is earned on solely at Walworth, Surrey. > Sold in Packets by all Chemists and MediL cine Vendors. 1 Sold by Kempthorne, Prosser and Co., r Auckland. 03 WHO is Mrs. WINSLOW? As this question is frequently asked, we shall simply say that she is a lady who for upwards of thirty years has untireingly devoted her time and talents as a female '■ physician and nurse, principally among 1 children. She has especially studied the 1 constitution and wants of this numerous class, and, as a result of this effort and practical knowledge obtained in a lifetime 1 as nurse and physician, she has compounded a SOOTHING SYRUP for Children. It operates like magic, giving rest and health, and is, moreover, sure to regulate the bowels. In consequence of this article, Mrs. Winslow is becoming world-renouned as a benefactor of her race. Children certainly do rise up and bless her. Especially is this the case in this city. Vast quantities of the Soothing Syrup are daily sold and used here. We think Mrs Winslow has immortalised her name by this invaluable article, and we sincerely believe that thousands of children have been saved from an early grave by its timely use, and that millions yet unborn, will share its benefits and unite in calling her blessed. No mother has discharged her duty to her suffering little one, in our opinion, until she has given it the benefit of Mrs. Winslow’s Soothing Syrup. Try it mothers, try it now. Ladies’ Visitor, New York City. Advice to mothers.—Are you broken in your rest by a sick child, suffering with the pain of cutting teeth ? Go at once to the chemist and get a bottle of Mrs. WINSLOW’S SOOTHING SYRUP. It will relieve the poor sufferer immediately. It is perfectly harmless ; it produces natural, quiet sleep by relieving the child from pain, and the little cherub awakes “ as bright as a button.” It has been in use in America, and is highly recommended by medical men. It is very pleasant to take;. it sooths the child ; it softens the gums, allays, all pain, relieves wind, regulates the bowels, arid is the best known remedy for dysentry and diarrhoea, whether arising from eething or other causes. Be sure and ask for Mrs. Winslow’s Soothing Syrirp, and see that “Curtis and Perkins, New York and London,” is on the outside ..wrapper/ No mother should be without’ it, S6ld by all medicine dealers, at Is. *93, Oxford street. ■

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Poulenc – Self Quotation in Piano Concerto No. 1 in C# Minor and Piano Sonata for Two Pianos

28 Aug

Poulenc was a master of self-quotation, the compositional practice of taking one idea and recycling it within another work.  His piano works are full of these quotations (1, 2), each carefully embedded in a way that transcends form and gives new meaning to an old idea.  In his first piano concerto, the Piano Concerto No. 1 in C-Minor (1949), the main theme is used in one of his later piano works, the Piano Sonata for Two Pianos (FP 156).

Francis Poulenc – Piano Concerto No. 1 in C-Minor – Movement I

The theme of the work  begins in the opening measures of the concerto’s first movement (the opening theme of the concerto sounds explicitly “Russian” to me.  I’ve often mistaken the piece for Rachmaninoff concerto).  It starts by climbing a C#-minor scale to scale degree three (E) and continues to hover around the note, approaching in both great leaps and step-wise motion.  The rhythm in measures 2 & 4 of the E note (2:1:1), is particularly important as we will witness the same rhythm in Poulenc’s Piano Sonata for 2 Pianos.  Finally, we should note the neighboring movement around scale degree 3 in measure 4, as the melody moves from E – F# – E – D Natural before landing on scale degree one, C#.

Francis Poulenc – Piano Sonata For 2 Pianos – Movement II

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While listening to Poulenc’s Piano Sonata for 2 Pianos, I noticed the second movement contains the theme of his concerto but in a different harmonic context.  The excerpts from this part of the sonata, contain a prolonged A major chord that progresses to an F#-minor chord in Measure 4.  It is in this measure, that we hear the familiar concerto theme in minor delicately placed amongst the major harmony in the previous measures of the sonata.  When the left hand switches to bass clef at the end of the measure 3, Poulenc prepares to move from A major to its relative minor, F# minor. Measure 4 bears the same rhythmic ratios as the concerto theme (2:1:1) , again hovering around scale degree 3 (in A major this is C#).  While that C# pedals for three notes, we then move in stepwise motion just like the concerto theme (C# – D – C# – B – A) before crashing on a massive F# minor chord.

While this theme is not exactly that of the concerto, I believe Poulenc deliberately injected specific components (rhythm and the melodic contour of the concerto theme) into this section of his sonata.  I suppose this means “quotation,” is a misnomer, as it specifies that the reference is intrinsically exact.  As we have seen through other examples, Poulenc’s references are not exact, but rather aesopianon in nature, often taking a hand-full of notes from a theme and implanting them elsewhere.  Ravel claimed Poulenc could write  “his own folk songs,” an observation that I believe reflects a self-nurtured mysticism.  The concert pianist Pascal Rogé who recorded all of Poulenc’s piano work for CD release writes:  “It [Poulenc’s music] is “popular” music in the best sense of the word. The writing is sophisticated, but the language is simple, accessible to all.  Poulenc is neither revolutionary nor academic.  He is Poulenc and that’s all.  He has his own language and he stays faithful to it from his first to his last works.”  Undoubtedly Roge is referring to the melodic sensibility that permeates the composer’s works but I believe Roge’s observation can also be applied to the transparency of these “quotes.”  Poulenc created his own legacy, leaving a trail of breadcrumbs for the listener to find and string together.

One Response to “Poulenc – Self Quotation in Piano Concerto No. 1 in C# Minor and Piano Sonata for Two Pianos”

  1. Max June 8, 2013 at 2:34 am #

    The rendition of Piano Sonata for 2 Pianos in the above video is *atrocious.* However, they’re a marketer’s dream.

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Music Park: Duran Duran and Nile Rodgers @ Verizon Center — 4/8/16

John Taylor signs my copy of his autobiography during a soiree at Il Gattopardo in New York City on Nov. 4, 2013. (Photo by Eddie Malluk)

Observers of Duran Duran, as well as the band itself, have often cited its primary inspirations as English glam band Roxy Music and New York disco funksters Chic. Listening to the sounds of boyhood friends Nick Rhodes and John Taylor, you can even discern how the primal elements of the two bands fused into the new wave gem of a band they started in 1978: Nick, stylish to synthy; John, fun to funky.

As John noted in his 2012 autobiography, In the Pleasure Groove: Love, Death, and Duran Duran, his prized possession is the bass left to him by the late Chic bassist Bernard Edwards, who helped him form Power Station while on a break from Duran Duran circa 1985. It is of course then absolutely meta that Nile Rodgers, the artistic mastermind behind Chic, opened for the band on its latest tour, The Paper Gods Tour, undertaken in celebration of the 14th album by the UK trendsetters.

Nile, for his part, knows what makes Duran Duran tick, and he mixed “The Reflex,” which became Duran Duran’s first #1 hit in the United States. And of course, Nile took to the stage with Duran Duran for several songs Friday night in a big, bright show at the Verizon Center to play two incredible songs he produced for the band — “Notorious” from the 1986 album of the same name and “Pressure Off” from last year’s Paper Gods (but sadly not “The Reflex,” despite an intense audience rally from the very full house on behalf of the ever-popular song).

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O Little Brown of Bethlehem

Welcome to the 21st of December aka the much anticipated end of the world so let’s throw open the door to our twenty-first (and potentially last) beer…

We have Maple Stout from Cannery Brewing, which is described as “stout, dark and handsome” …sounds a bit like an online dating profile.

Cannery Maple Stout

Maple Stout, as its very plain spoken name suggests, is a deep black brown beer with mocha coloured head and a very syrupy sweet nose. First sip, is cold coffee meets, well, maple syrup. Medium bodied but definitely on the lighter side of the stout family with lots of roasted malt and chocolate flavours and a subtly bittered finish. The cloying maple syrup eases off as you drink this one. If you like your stouts a little more sweet and a little less bitter this is the beer for you. Overall a very nice and accessible seasonal though I have to say maple syrup makes me think early spring and not Christmas but what the heck.

I am giving this one seven candy canes out of the possible ten.

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