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This is why people think HR is stupid and evil

by Evil HR Lady on September 29, 2009

It’s that wonderful time of the year–flu season! And to add to it, this year adds in the lovely schweingrippe to the mix. So, I imagine that hospitals are putting together all sorts of plans for how to handle this. I like to have positive attitudes (ha!) towards those in leadership positions. Then I read this from At Your Cervix (she’s a labor and delivery nurse):

On top of all of this, our hospital has put out the following rules: anyone with confirmed H1N1 or suspected flu must NOT work for the duration of the fever. Also, you may NOT work for at least 24 hrs of being without a fever (not using tylenol or ibuprofen to reduce the fever). All time missed at work….get this……will be considered an UNEXCUSED ABSENCE and you will receive an “occurrence” for the time called off.

What dunderhead in HR thought this up? Here are medical people who will be taking care of sick people, or newborns, or pregnant/post-partum women and we want to both require them to take time off and penalize them for doing so? I presume after a certain number of “occurrences” a person gets terminated, or suspended, or something else bad.

Now, some HR defender will say, “Hey, all the employees just have to get flu shots and they won’t get sick. The punishment is because they failed to get flu shots.” I agree that they should get flu shots (in my non-medical agreement sort of way). The company I used to work for gave free flu shots to everyone (on a voluntary basis, of course) because it was cheaper than having people gone for days at a time. So flu shots, yes.

However, a flu shot is no guarantee that you won’t get the flu. Two years ago, three people that I know personally ended up in the hospital with the flu, even though they had previously had flu shots. No flu shot covers all possible mutations of the nasty little virus. So, you can’t use that against the person.

Furthermore, this is a hospital, where you are surely more likely to be exposed to germs than the normal human. (Although I ride public transportation, so I’m surprised I’m still alive, quite frankly. I will admit, though, that the Swiss are so clean, their snot is probably sterile.)

And I hear another HR defender saying, “This was probably a decision from Finance! HR had no say in it.” Hogwash I say. And even though I love to complain about finance as much as the next person, it’s not finance’s job to worry about people. That is HR’s job. (Not saying that finance should be filled with heartless people, but they have a different focus.) Our job is to lead people. Our job is to see that the business succeeds and the best way to do that is to have the best people and take care of them.

If it was the CFO who insisted on this lame-brained policy, then the head of HR should have the knowledge and skill necessary to demonstrate how this will hurt the hospital. Because he/she obviously didn’t, I’ll help out a bit. (And I believe this hospital is in PA, my former home, so when we return their in a few years, I’ll be happy to take this job, as I am now demonstrating that I can do it better than the current head of HR. Of course, a kindergartener could do this better, as a 5 year old would never think to punish someone for being sick.)

1. This is a huge morale killer. Even if a person doesn’t get sick, she now knows that the hospital doesn’t care one bit about her. People who are unhappy at work do not perform as well as happy employees.

2. There is no cost savings in this. If you end up terminating an employee due to too many “occurrences” you will need to replace her. It costs much more than one week’s salary to recruit, hire, and train a new employee. It would not be unusual for it to take 6 months for a new employee to be as competent as the one you’ve just fired.

3. It is likely to increase the percentage of people coming to work while sick. If you have bills (and everybody does), you need your job. As long as you can hobble around, you’ll be there, infecting everyone around you and lying about how great you feel. This will mean more people will get sick and your patients will suffer as well.

4. Voluntary turnover will increase as well. I know the economy is terrible. That just means that only your best employees will be able to find new jobs. Do you understand that? The BEST will be able to find new jobs. Is that what you want? To drive your best employees out? Who do you think pulls companies through recessions? It’s not the slackers. It’s the best employees.

5. Punishment should be reserved for someone who skips work to go shopping, or because they have a hangover. Punishments should not be given for involuntary illnesses. And yes, you can wash your hands all day long and use hand sanitizer and still get the flu.

This is just plain bad policy. I hope they come to their senses.

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clobbered September 29, 2009 at 6:58 am

It gets crazier, if you read the blog Random Reality which is written by a UK paramedic (ambulance guy) – not only do they have the same policy about the flu, but he recounts a meeting with HR where this was (badly) explained to him.

Yes, this really is why HR has a bad rep.

Anonymous September 29, 2009 at 7:09 am

Some people can't get a flu shot, such as people who are allergic to egg whites; people who have Guillain Barré disease; and pregnant women or women who plan to get pregnant within the next three months.

Evil HR Lady September 29, 2009 at 7:21 am

Anon–some people can't get flu shots, true, but pregnant women can. At least the CDC recommended it when I was pregnant and I got one and my baby is only a little bit strange. :>)

Rodolphe Mortreuil September 29, 2009 at 8:07 am

I wonder if this decision to penalize sick employees is even legal. Win or loose, I can imagine there will be litigation cost anyway to add to this marvellous savings plan.

Allyson and Dave September 29, 2009 at 12:45 pm

You are right about pregnant women. I told my doctor the other day that I wanted to try for a baby and the first thing she told me was to get a flu shot.

I also work in a hospital. Our policy is that if you get H1N1 you have to be out for 7 days from the date of your first symptom. You do have to use your PDO time but it does not count against you. It is an excused absense. We do this so that we don't encourage staff to hide their symptoms and come to work. We also pay for he employees to be tested and pay for the Tamiflu. We want everyone to take care of themselves so they can take care of the patients.

I had H1N1 last month. So I had to take a week off. I have not slept that much in years!!

Anonymous September 29, 2009 at 12:51 pm

Sadly, this is not all that uncommon in the healthcare industry. I used to work in HR at a hospital and they have an incredibly unfriendly sick leave policy. If you used your sick leave three times in one year (with or without a Dr's note), you were written up. So, they give you sick leave, but don't want you to use it which is combined with the craziness that in a hospital you are likely to get sick and if you are sick, you shouldn't be around other really sick people. It is crazy. Nurses can find jobs, but they aren't really taken care of well.

Anonymous September 29, 2009 at 2:08 pm

I currently work in the healthcare industry and our policy is similar to Allyson's above. In our network of 36 hospitals across the country … there are NONE that do what this posting has said. So hopefully this isn't the norm.

Central Michican HR September 29, 2009 at 2:50 pm

7 days required out of the workplace on medical advice from a health care provider would make such an occurance FMLA. As long as the nurses otherwise qualify (length of employment, number of employees, hours worked) then this would be FMLA and could NOT be used as "points" or any other type of discipline.

Shawnna September 29, 2009 at 4:46 pm

I think it is insane to punish employees that way. The administration doesn't think of the consequences. Thankfully my company is taking the flu threat seriously this year and providing free flu shots for any employee that would like one.

Lisa September 29, 2009 at 5:05 pm

Our school district is telling us that we have to stay home for at least 5 days if we have a temperature above 100 and any other signs of H1N1 and at least 24 hours. We have to use our PTO and then pull from the sick bank (w/ a dr. note) IF we go through our PTO.

Mind you, I have two small children plus I go through spells where I have low grade fevers every night for weeks on end.

I told my principal I would be gone at least a quarter of hte year if I followed these guidelines given that i'm at home if either of my kids are sick.

George Guajardo September 29, 2009 at 6:58 pm

I love that you mentioned this insane policy. it is important for other HR practitioners to see how stupid some of their decisions can be. It probably sounded like a good idea on paper, but it is clear that someone did not think this all the way through.

By the way, my sister works in HR for a large hospital. She faces pressure from the top to find the very best nurses from across the globe, while simultaneously trying to limit how much time off they use and how much they get paid. I don't think her bosses understand the idea of supply and demand. I thought Economics 101 was required for every business graduate.

Anonymous September 29, 2009 at 7:37 pm

More likely? I think this will *ensure* that people come into work sick.

You can not try to put people in a Catch-22 like that. "We want you to stay home if you're sick but we'll write you up for staying home if you're sick." How can you, as the employer, tell an employee that they shouldn't come into work and then claim that their absence is unexcused? Who is supposed to excuse them if not their employer? You could make a robot's head explode if you told it that.

If a workplace policy is a logical paradox YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

workerbee September 29, 2009 at 9:14 pm

I had a fever of up to, at times, nearly 102 for a week and was too miserable to get out of bed. I saw my primary care physician who diagnosed me with a virus and told me to get plenty of rest and stay home. My supervisor refused to believe the diagnosis since according to her, if I was THAT sick, my doctor would have given me antibiotics for the virus. She REFUSED to believe that antibiotics are NOT prescribed for viruses. Suffice it to say, I was given the cold shoulder for weeks following my return to work and I was made to feel that I was faking illness to get out of work. It was humiliating. To those in HR and management, PLEASE give your employees the benefit of the doubt when their doctor tells them to stay home because they are sick!

Interviewer September 29, 2009 at 9:59 pm

To someone who said that 7 days out would make it FMLA – it's not. Unless you are under a doctor's continuous care (in a hospital) for 3 days or more, then the "stay home, rest up, drink plenty of fluids" colds and flus that might take a week to get over do not qualify for FMLA.

EHRL, this policy is insanity. But FYI, taking sick leave is just as hard for teachers as it is for some hospital workers. You think hospitals are little germ factories – schools are right on up there, too.

Anthony September 29, 2009 at 10:34 pm

You're not kidding–it's a morale killer and a guaranteed way to get more sick people IN the workplace. It's always nice to think your employer has your back, especially when you're sick. I can't imagine how it would feel to see this posted. And how enthusiastic would you be recommending your company to a friend? (Granted, you can't just recommend a hospital to a friend like you can any job, but you get my point…)

DrinkingTea September 30, 2009 at 2:08 am

I can see something like this happening where I used to work.

First, they'd want to have a policy that showed they were taking swine flu seriously and that they were taking precautions to keep the spread of it down.

Second, someone would be compelled to keep people from taking advantage of the requirement to have a week off.

The brilliant compromise would be to give such harsh consequences to the time off that only one at death's door would consider it.

I don't work there any more.

Anonymous September 30, 2009 at 4:54 am

This policy really does seem medically irresponsible. You'd think in a hospital there would be influential people with an understanding of contagious disease, and risks to patients who are already ill, and in some cases, known to be immune suppressed (transplant and cancer patients, the very old, very young, HIV positive, etc.) Apparently they aren't influential enough in this case.

There is a somewhat parallel issue in food service, where many low-end jobs don't offer sick leave (at least in the US). A fair percentage of outbreaks of food-borne illness can be attributed to food preparers working while they are contagious. I was going to give an example to illustrate the point (ultra-short version: Norovirus), but I realized it's kind of sickening, so maybe I shouldn't. On the plus side of the economic ledger, food is cheap.

Anonymous September 30, 2009 at 5:07 am

The last comment is, in fact, one of the justifications for San Francisco's law requiring employers to provide sick leave.

There is, also, the problem of being afraid to take the leave you have, because of feeling responsible for getting the product out the door, or being perceived as unreliable/not always available. Folks in an industry that relies on episodic employment (film industry crew members) have a real problem with this. Tell the best boy or key grip you're not available a few too many times, and you're not going to get any phone calls for work.

Anonymous September 30, 2009 at 1:17 pm

What I find even more disturbing is the fact that pregnant women, women who just gave birth and women in early post-partum are at a significantly higher risk of greater suffering with H1N1, and by suffering I mean possible death.

Why would any establishment associated with pregnancy and obstetrics set such standards?

Nice lawsuits will be the result.

I work in insurance and our H1N1 policy is quite fair – if an employee suspecs that he/she has the swine flu, the employee will not lose a PTO day as long as he/she provides proof of testing by a doctor. If there is a confirmed case of the swine flu, an employee may take up to 5 days with no loss of PTO time. Beyond 5 days, PTO time will be used.

cateringgoddess September 30, 2009 at 1:25 pm

Food service (I did it for 18 years) is one of the worst industries for people coming to work sick. There is no sick leave, and often no paid leave at all. The jobs tend to be lower end of the pay scale, although I was drawing a decent salary at the end.

My advice? Don't go out to eat during cold and flu season. You can control who prepares your food at home, and you cannot presume that the people that are preparing it at a restaurant are taking the proper precautions. In fact you should assume that they are NOT.

williamthecoroner September 30, 2009 at 3:52 pm

When I did hospital work, our lab staff were cut to the bone, so that there were "just enough" staff. This was the late ninteies, when efficiency was big. So, when the place was fully staffed, there were just enough people to run it. Vacations had to be scheduled six months in advance, and there was NO slack in the system. People who had appendicitis or a gangrenous gall bladder were written up for calling off for emergency surgery, because it threw off the schedule.

They finally learned that having an extra bod around or two helped with surges, and emergencies, and all that. But we had to kill a couple of people (patients, not staff) before the bean counters got the message.

On a related note, this is the same institution that made nursing do death certificates/body release and got rid of three, 60K/year mortiticans. Which worked really well, until they cremated the Orthodox Jew. The punitive damages were much, much more than what was saved by getting rid of the clueful people

Library-Gryffon September 30, 2009 at 6:37 pm

I had to take FMLA when I was going to be out for 5 calendar days (only 3 work days) with arthroscopic knee surgery, which was outpatient surgery. FMLA law, on both state and, as far as I could tell, federal level, defines continuing medical care as including merely taking any prescribed medications for the illness, so if the doctor sends you home with prescription tamiflu, you're considered to under the continuing care of the doctor and FMLA applies.

Tom September 30, 2009 at 7:53 pm

This is almost certainly a violation of the FMLA. Increasing one's liability is not the path to financial success.

Anonymous September 30, 2009 at 8:27 pm

Well, this is good information. At least now I know that if I feel sick, the last place I want to go is the hospital, where I will defitely GET sick, because ill employees are not allowed sick leave. Great!

Is it legit for me to call my doctor's office and inquire on what their sick policy is? Maybe I should use that as criteria when shopping around for a doctor/clinic.

Anonymous September 30, 2009 at 9:47 pm

That is harsh! I was quarantined with suspected Swine Flu for 4 days, and took sick leave. Which has since been reversed back to me by my company, because as this is a "global pandemic" they don't feel it is fair to penalise people for something that is out of their hands.
I guess I should be lucky I work for a good company!

Anonymous October 1, 2009 at 9:49 pm

I work in the child care field where we have the exact same policy, including getting penalized for "excessive absences". Seeing as how we only accrue 6 days of sick leave per year, that is easily exhausted by one bout of the flu.

My employer is on the Forbes "Best Companies" list and has been repeatedly, so they love to tout the 'fact' that this demonstrates that it is a great place to work.

Anonymous October 1, 2009 at 10:17 pm

I just quit working at a well known insurance company (One fighting healthcare reform). The turnover in the company was unbelievable. Here are the problem policies: Mandatory overtime-if not done then employee risks firing, each unworked hour of overtime not worked by employee counts towards termination-I worked 80 hr weeks for 6 months straight. HR told us to quit if we could not work 80hrs total per week. Our two week totals were on average 120-130 hours a week. We had meetings with upper management and the HR staff to try and get the overtime under control. Nothing worked.
Sick policy: If you called in sick more than 7 days per year then you were fired. Each call in was counted as an unexcused absence. I have never known anyone to be able to request PTO in advance of being sick. It was not uncommon for people to come to work with the flu ( I caught it twice), and people also came to work with contagious pink eye. I have worked in hospitals, and drs offices and have never been penalized for being sick. When did HR determine that a person should be penalized for getting sick?

Greg October 1, 2009 at 10:40 pm

So one has to quesition what kind of company would adopt such a toxic policy such as this? Not any company I would WANT to work for, that's for sure. Nobody likes when people are out, but it happens, and you can either adjust, adapt, and come together as a team…or completely alienate the workforce and destroy morale….

Anonymous October 2, 2009 at 6:32 pm

If I were a truly evil and disgruntled employee, when (not if, as I think it's inevitable)this policy results in the death of a patient, I would ensure that a copy of this policy on the hospital's letterhead arrived at the lawyer's office of the patient's family.

Employers need to realize that if they push their employees too far, th employees may figure they have nothing to lose by striking back at the employer. It is ultimately in the employer's best interest to be reasonable. All an employer does by coming up with unreasonable and punitive policies is set the stage for retaliation at a disgruntled employee's choosing.

PE Mommy October 4, 2009 at 1:33 am

Ok, swine flu shots JUST became available and I got the freaking swine flu last week!!! Well it's suspected. I am waiting for confirmation on my lab tests which take a week to come back. I had to stay home ALL week because of my fever and I work in a hospital (contracting, not as a provider). Trust me, I would have rather have been working. Fortunately, the federal govt doesn't hold it against you. My boss told me to keep me and my germs home. I have a note from my dr telling them that NYS says to stay home till you are fever free without meds for 24 hours.

What a terrible place to be employed that treats employees that way!

Brad October 4, 2009 at 8:53 pm

This is a great example of how our policies and procedures can have a major impact on employee engagement. Not only does a policy like this reduce morale it creates fear and a lack of trust.

Brad Federman

Anonymous October 5, 2009 at 6:11 pm

On the issue of restaurants. I currently and have been working in the industry for over ten years. For us if we don't come in we don't get paid. So basically most people, unless they are at death's door will come in sick and usually pass it to all the other employees (which is horrible since I can't afford to miss work either so I'm always trying to fend off illness). A fellow server worked for 2 days with diagnosed walking pneumonia and even though she was making sure to always wash her hands, it probably was NOT a good idea. Add that to the fact that many employees don't have health insurance because they don't fit the requirements or it's too expensive etc. and there's a lot of illnesses being spread.

The one plus side of the industry is that as long as we're not in a busy period it's usually pretty easy to find someone to take your shift because who wouldn't like/need/want a chance to make more money?

leanneclc October 7, 2009 at 7:57 pm

Great post. This season's flu has so many implications on work/life and employee morale.

On a side note – I cannot get the flu shot, I am allergic to eggs and it is egg-based. I'm sure that would not be popular at an organization like this…although nothing to be done about it except have some "occurrences"

KLundin October 8, 2009 at 5:15 pm

By the way, I have a colleague of mine who diligently went and got the seasonal flu shot. Then, she promptly got sick FROM the flu. Some people actually can develop the flu as a result of the shot. Yes. This type of thing is why HR people get a bad name. Nothing at all strategic about creating incentives for employees to make decisions that are counterproductive to the business (such as coming in sick at a Hospital).

Anonymous October 28, 2009 at 4:45 am

As a worker at a blood bank, I truly understand what you're all talking about, as I am in a very similar situation. A few months ago, our attendance policy changed and now states that if any employee has more than 2 "unexcused" absences in a 6 month period, they will be penalized by either getting a verbal, written, final, termination, etc. And guess what…DOCTORS NOTES ARE NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE!!!!! I know people who were admitted to the hospital and returned to work with a write up waiting for them. I was sick this week with suspected swine flu and am now possibly facing disciplinary action AFTER I was told to go home when I reported to work sick (I called in sick the following day to keep from contaminating my co-workers and blood donors). Surely, I could understand upper mgmt questioning me if I had an attendance problem, but I don't. I went on the CDC website to see what their recommendations were regarding swine flu and the workplace and even called them. They even agreed that this is a ridiculous policy that definitely needs to be revisited immediately.

HR H4tyer July 10, 2012 at 1:38 pm

Human Resources has emerged as the fasted growing industry here in Detroit Michigan. The auto makers use Human Resource companies to manipulate the numbers so they can report x number of jobs are yet to be filled, making it look like there is hope for the masses. The reality is that we have an unbelievable number of HR agencies while skilled engineers are cutting grass for a living.

Faeryn October 16, 2012 at 7:44 pm

This is about forcing people into taking flu shots and nothing else.

Regenald September 2, 2013 at 2:30 am

Everytime I interact with someone from HR it’s like my IQ drops… I’m not even saying they’re stupid because they’re just terrible with hiring qualified candidates or any of that it’s just that they’re well stupid…. everytime I have an issue and have to speak to HR I just cringe…. they really are the most inept and idiotic people on the planet, they do not know how to think for themselves, cynical and are definitely just functioning on auto pilot most of the time, as a creative I generally can’t stand people like that anyway.

Anonymous June 13, 2017 at 10:30 pm

They’re not evil. They are dumb as fuck, however.

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Heights at Worthington Place photoIf you’ve driven down Wilson Bridge Road lately, you’ve undoubtedly seen the progress unfolding at The Heights at Worthington Place, the City’s newest high-end residential community. Opening next month and filling up fast, The Heights at Worthington Place offers low-maintenance luxury living with easy access to the area’s best dining, shopping and recreational activities. Located just steps from the The Shops at Worthington Place, residents will enjoy the conveniences of walk-able city living and the friendly, community-minded way of life that Worthington is known for. The Heights at Worthington Place will open its 200 luxury units in two phases. The first phase, which boasts 59 one- and two-bedroom apartments, will open on September 30, 2014. Phase two will open in the spring of 2015 with 141 one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments. The units feature upgraded modern conveniences and high-end finishes, including wood floors, stainless steel appliances, granite countertops, in-unit laundry and walk-in closets.

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Close to the water, with a boat launch, Mark Point is reached from Mark Point Rd, 35 km west of Meningie. Permits are available from self-registration stations within the park.

Who to contact: Parks SA Coorong (08) 8575 1200

This campsite is located in Coorong National Park

A narrow strip of coastal dunes, the Younghusband Peninsula extends for more than 100 km. It encloses an equally slender series of saline lagoons, a wetland habitat visited by more than 230 bird species. The homelands of the Ngarrindjeri people, this is a landscape of subtle natural wonders, and accordingly is an area of international ecological and historical significance. The beaches are accessible by 4WD, and are much-loved fishing and camping haunts. There are plenty of peaceful camping and walking destinations dotted along the park’s mainland fringes. Exploring the lagoons by small boat or canoe is the ideal way to enjoy this region and the extraordinary sandscapes of the peninsula.

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Auto salvage yards or shops are good mainly for two things:  you can sell your dilapidated or extremely damaged automobile to such shops, and you can also find cheap auto parts and accessories from these auto salvage yards.

Sell Your Car to Auto Salvage Shops

Your neighborhood auto salvage shop is probably going to be more than glad to take your damaged or rundown car off your hands.  Certainly, you cannot expect a high price from such a transaction.  Auto salvage companies mainly buy old or damaged cars not for restoration but for salvaging of auto parts and for junk metal.  Thus, expect to get paid for junk metal, not for a car.

Of course, there is probably more than one auto salvage shop in your area.  You should at least exert effort into canvassing these shops to find out how much theyll be paying for your car.  They can probably give you a quote on the telephone.  Of course, consider location in your hunt for the best auto salvage price.  If youre expected to bring your car to the salvage yard, choose a much nearer location.  A yard located in the next county may offer you more for your car, but if you need to pay for gas or hauling expenses, then you probably wont be able to get even one extra dime.

In a nutshell, if youre going to sell your car to an auto salvage shop, choose the one that could give you the best possible price and the least possible inconvenience.  It would be much better if the auto salvage company can send someone over to pick up the car from your home.

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Auto salvage companies are also popular sources for usable auto parts.  The auto salvage is so named, after all, since it salvages auto parts and accessories that they may be able to sell individually.  Auto salvage companies sell these parts at relatively cheap prices.  Thus, if you are in need of auto parts that you cant afford to buy brand new, you can buy cheap, used auto parts from auto salvage yards.

In some cases, auto salvage companies even sell cars which can be repaired with a little effort on your part.  For this purpose, they will usually do some minor repairs on some cars that have been brought to their yards and then sell them to people who are willing to restore them fully (or pay a mechanic to get the car repaired completely).

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How Russia Stays Afloat

by Anders Åslund Anders Åslund is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. He served as an economic advisor to the Russian government in the 1990s. 28.11.2016

WASHINGTON, DC – The long-term sustainability of Russia’s economy is an open question. Cronyism is rife, and Russia’s heavy dependence on oil revenues means that it will suffer whenever oil prices are low. But if the Soviet Union taught us anything, it is that unsustainable systems can survive for many years.

The Russian system today reminds me of the Soviet system I experienced in 1983, when I lived in Moscow, and KGB disciplinarian Yuri Andropov (the “Butcher of Budapest”) was still in power (albeit in poor health). The common economic features, then and now, include low oil prices, a nonviable economic ideology, state ownership of crucial industries, and authoritarian rule.

But one notable difference is that Russia’s macroeconomic management is much more competent today than it was then. Russia is not at risk of running out of financing, despite continued Western sanctions. But its tight resources do limit the Kremlin’s foreign-policy options and aggravate tensions among Russian elites.

Since oil prices started falling in June 2014, Russia has slipped from sixth place to 14th in the International Monetary Fund’s global economic rankings; its GDP (measured in current United States dollars) has dropped from $2.1 trillion to $1.1 trillion – just 6% of US GDP. (And it spends only 8% of what the US does on defense.)

But, though Russia is not economically competitive with the US, its government has maintained admirable macroeconomic balances, even as growth prospects have faded. It took some time for the Russian government to get things right, and its international reserves did slump dangerously in 2014; but that December, the Central Bank of Russia (CBR) finally floated the ruble’s exchange rate, and macroeconomic conditions have since stabilized.

In his public statements, Russian President Vladimir Putin emphasizes five indicators of stability: international reserves, the foreign-payments balance, the budget balance, inflation, and the unemployment rate. Among these, he places the biggest premium on international reserves. At the annual “Russia Calling!” investment forum in October, Putin reported that “international reserves are growing” and “currently stand at around $400 billion” – which is apparently his target amount.

Russia’s international reserves include the Ministry of Finance’s Reserve Fund, which will run out in 2017. But for Putin, all that matters the total size of Russia’s international reserves. By letting the exchange rate float with the oil price, the CBR has managed to maintain a significant current-account surplus, even though lower commodity prices cut exports and imports by half since 2013.

Similarly, the Ministry of Finance keeps the budget deficit at around 3% of GDP, and the falling exchange rate has kept revenues relatively stable in ruble terms, even as absolute revenues have fallen. The government has made up for budget shortfalls by ruthlessly slashing education, health care, and now pensions.

When the ruble depreciated early last year, inflation surged above 16%; but the CBR’s tight monetary policy has since reduced inflation to 6%, with a further decline, to 4%, likely to be achieved next year. Remarkably, the unemployment rate is currently 5.4%, and Russia has managed to keep it below 6% since the oil-price shock; what’s more, public debt is a minuscule 13% of GDP.

Despite these positive indicators, overall investment, GDP, and living standards are falling. Real disposable incomes fell 10% last year, and will likely shrink by another 5-6% this year; investment fell more than 8% last year, and will likely fall by 4% this year; and GDP declined by 3.7% in 2015, and will probably contract this year as well (though by less than 1%).

A Westerner would consider these numbers unacceptable. But ordinary Russians appreciate that their real (inflation-adjusted) incomes doubled between 1999 and 2008. And, at any rate, it is not as though they can protest under the current regime.

Still, Putin once based his legitimacy on economic growth. Now that he can no longer deliver improved living standards, he follows the recommendation made in 1904 by Russian imperial minister Vyacheslav von Plehve: “We need a small victorious war.” Putin has benefited from three so far: the 2008 war in Georgia, the 2014 annexation of Crimea, and the ongoing intervention in Syria since September 2015.

But a previously risk-averse Putin has had to take ever greater risks, not least in Eastern Ukraine, where the conflict that he precipitated has been neither small nor victorious. Eastern Ukraine represents a foreign-policy failure, and it demonstrates that, while Russia enjoys military superiority over its neighbors, it cannot afford protracted wars. The West has been exploiting this weakness with its financial sanctions, which shave about 1% from Russia’s GDP each year they are in place.

Russia’s domestic elites pose another threat to Putin, which is why, since August 2014, he has sacked one KGB general after another, and has sought to eliminate potential rivals. But his purge has stalled, with Russia’s generals still constituting a majority in the country’s “real” Politburo, the Security Council of Russia.

On November 15, Putin took his purge in a new direction with the arrest of Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev, one of the remaining liberal technocrats. The next day, when Putin addressed the Ministry of Defense with a prepared, televised speech, the generals in attendance regarded him with evident disgust, and the powerful defense minister, Sergey Shoigu, seemed to ignore him altogether.

Putin is politically savvy and often hides his real intentions. He has frequently taken the world by surprise with improvised wars and diplomatic initiatives, as in Ukraine and Syria. He is financially constrained, but his situation is not hopeless, and we should always expect the unexpected from him. Now that US President-elect Donald Trump’s victory has created a power vacuum in Washington, Putin has a great opportunity to boost his own domestic standing. We can be certain that he will seek to exploit it fully.

Anders Åslund is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. He served as an economic advisor to the Russian government in the 1990s.

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Home insurance can protect against garden gang thefts

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A statue worth between £20,000 and £30,000 has been stolen from a garden in Dorset.

According to police, the peacock fountain statue theft was premeditated, and is by no means an isolated case. It is believed the heavy sculpture may have been melted down and sold to meet increasing demand for metal from various Asian countries.

Two thefts from gardens in Stoke, Suffolk, were reported earlier this month. Garden furniture was taken in one instance, while several ornaments were stolen during the second burglary.

Furthermore, police in the Forest of Dean area warned locals to protect garden items earlier this year following a spate of burglaries in the area. Expensive equipment was stolen on several occasions, and even plants were targeted by thieves.

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Fallen Heroes of Operation Iraqi Freedom

Remembering the servicemembers who died in the service of their country.

Army Cpl. Nathaniel S. Baughman

23, of Monticello, Indiana.
Baughman died in Bayji, Iraq, when his HMMWV encountered enemy forces rocket-propelled grenades during patrol operations. Baughman was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division, Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Died on July 17, 2006.

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"Your sacrifice will never be forgotten brother. The guilt and shame never ends. Your sacrifice never forgotten. Your friendship and memories will never be forgotten. God damit i wish you were back. Rip brother. Til we meet again. Rakkasans!!!!!"
of Noblesville, IN

"Nate, it is almost 10 years since you were taken from us. I still miss your laughter, dry wit and the ability to make everyone feel so good about themselves. I miss the penny wars in my house and was honored that you asked me to take you out for your 21st birthday. Who knew then that 2 short years later you would be gone. I hope your wife and son are doing well. You will never be forgotten by me or any of the others who knew and loved you."
Pat (Pattycakes) of Daytona Beach, FL (formerly Monticello, IN)

"I just wanted to tell you all that I'm sorry... I didn't know Nathaniel too well, but I remember saying goodbye, and I also remember his family. I remember both memorials - one in Iraq as well as the memorial at FT Campbell at the memorial... He was a member of a great family... "ABU's lead the Rakkasans!" And Nate's family still leads today..."
Michael of Augusta, GA

"To the family of:Nathaniel S. Baughman
I am so sorry for the loss of your love one. My heart cries out for you in your grief and you have my thoughts and prayers. He died a hero defending freedom. May you have the peace and understanding that only comes from God. Prayerfully we will all meet in Heaven one day where we will rest in the arms of Jesus. If you need prayer or need someone to talk to, please call or write my pastor: Rev. John Pearrell 11677 Brown Bridge Rd., Covington, GA 30016. (770)787-1015.
Your friend in Jesus Christ, Polly Ballew Covington,Ga""

"It's Memorial day Brother. Just wanted to say Thank You. From myself an my family."
SSG burns of Ft hood

"I served with this fine solider about five years ago we were in the same platoon. I just want everyone to know that this guy would give his shirt off his back to anyone. We miss u Bug man every one from 3 Plt Aco 1-187"
Spc Hreha, Kyle of North Royalton , Ohio

"R.I.P Cpl Nathaniel Baughman. This day 5 years ago you paid the ULTIMATE SACRIFICE. You gave your life in the name of our country an it's people's freedom. You are not and never will be forgotten. Ne Desit Virtus!! We miss you brother"
Mitchell Burns of Fort Campbell, ky

"Jodi and I shed a tear for you last Memorial day Nate...we will always miss you."
Pat of Fort Wayne

"I had the Honor to serve with bugman a fellow Hoosier I was raised in Ossian, In. When he got to the unit I was stoked to have another Hoosier there. Nate was a great guy! He is thought of daily and missed as well Rakkasan Baughman! And until we all meet again u may be gone but brother, your never EVER forgotten!"
Dave Miller of Wilkesboro, NC

"I went to school with Nate. He was a great friend and a good listener. He was a person you could go to for anything. He was the type of person that would give you the shirt off his back. I was deeply devistated when I heard of his tragedy and sadly I was unable to attend his funeral. I know he is now safe in Heaven. I pray for his wife and I'm sorry his son won't be able to see the incredible man that his father was but I do hope his family will continue his legacy."
Tiff of Indiana

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To the family of Cpl. Nathaniel S. Baughman:
Nathaniel gave the ultimate sacrifice and will be held in the hearts of Americans forever. I cannot and will not let our fallen heroes be forgotten. My deepest sympathy to you. "Some gave all."
Peggy Childers
"Don't Let The Memory Of Them Drift Away"
Peggy Childers of Carson City, NV

"Thank you for being our hero and our Angel! I'm sorry for your wife, son, and family. I pray that you rest in peace, and peace is given to your loved ones! And as always I pray for everyone in the military!"
Danielle of Steubenville, OH

I would like to say thank you for your service and sacrifice for our Country. And to your family and loved ones, I wish to extend my deepest sympathy.

"Rakkasans-Ne Desit Virtus"
(Let Valor Not Fail)
187th Inf. Motto"

"I am SSG Burns. i was nates squad leader. i was driving the truck that he was in. he was a really great guy and a good soldier. he was the person you could go to if you needed a laugh. he is missed everyday."
Mitchell Burns of fort campbell ky

"Hello this is nate cousin i was very close to him and i want to thank u guys for everything. i was there for him and he was there for me even when he wasnt wasnt around me because he was in my thoughts all the time because i loved him very much. he was my guidence my mentor and my family. i would of taken that rpg just so he could of lived his live whit his kid (hunter) and his wife. like i said thank u all for everything and i hope if i am to die in the miltary like im going into that i would have the respect that u have gave my cousin nathaniel scourp baughman."
timolthy noodwang of fort wayne,Indiana,usa

"Nate died doing what he loved. We couldent be prouder of him. Our thoughts and prayers are with his wife kids and family Nate u will never be forgotten"
Heather of Monticello,Indiana

"Thank you Nathaniel Baughman, you will not be forgotten. Your bravery goes beyond words. I want to express my deepest gratitude for your sacrifice. To the family and friends, my prayers and deep condolences in your loss. May God strengthen you from knowing that fellow Americans and people around the world care about you and grieve with you in your loss. God bless you all. A very appreciative fellow American,"
Leo Titus of Grayslake, Illinios

"To the family and friends of Cpl. Nathaniel Baughman:
May God's grace be with you during your time of grief. Please know that our thoughts and prayers are with you and we feel your loss and share in your sorrow. Bless Nathaniel for the sacrifice he has made to make a better life for the rest of us."
The Ford Family of Wells, Nevada

"To the family and friends of Cpl. Nathaniel Baughman:
I am saddened by the loss of your loved one. He will always be remembered as a hero for fighting for freedom. I hope that this website will be a source of comfort and encouragement for you during this difficult time, and in the future as you recall the memories of Nathaniel, who continues to live on in your heart."
Tim Rivera of Powder Springs, Georgia

Honor them by remembering... Freedom - is their gift to us But his soul goes marching on


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Published: September 25, 2016 12:00 AM

Society hosts

Sept. 26 meeting

The Northampton Historical Society's September meeting will be Sept. 26 at a special location and time. It will be at Keyser Barn at 851 West Bath Road, in Keyser Park. The barn door will open at 4 p.m. for social time and a tour of the barn. The program will start at 6 p.m. Refreshments will be provided. The meeting/program will end at 7 p.m.; the park closes at dusk. The public is invited. Ted Dudre will present the story of General Alvin C. Voris, the highest ranking officer to come out of Summit County during the Civil War.

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The Keyser Park entrance is on Keyser Parkway off West Road; the barn parking lot is on top of a small hill on left side of main parking. For more information, contact David Brown at 234-542-3982.

Tools & Techniques plans Oct. 4 meeting at library

Tools & Techniques for Investors, a subgroup of the Cleveland AAII Chapter, will meet Oct. 4 at the Cuyahoga Falls Library, 2015 Third St. The meeting is open to the public.°No membership is required.°Meetings will be 7 to 9 p.m. the first Tuesday of each month.°Parking is free.

The topic of the Oct. 4 meeting will be "Cycles:°why they exist, what they look like, why we should care" by Lou Floyd, a member of AAII Cleveland Chapter.

The presentation utilizes technical analysis to explore typical cycles that we routinely encounter such as business, economic, credit, inventory, stock market, and political cycles.°Each has its own characteristic (and variable) period, and can add together to create both unexpected and occasionally spectacular results.

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E-mail Akron AAII Sub-Chapter at°aaii-neo@googlegroups.com°for information or questions.

Knights of

Columbus host

Soccer Shootout 2016

Knights of Columbus will host Soccer Shootout 2016 Sept. 27 from 6 to 8 p.m. at Riverwood Chapel, 1407 Fairchild Ave. in Kent. Registration is at 5:30 p.m.

The event is sponsored by Cuyahoga Falls Council #2362 serving St. Joe and St. Eugene's parishes and Father Maruskin Council #10936 serving Holy Family/Stow, St. Mary/Hudson and Mother of Sorrows/Peninsula parishes.

Boys and girls from age 9 to 14 can come and show off their skills at that most important shot, the penalty kick. Fifteen penalty kicks are taken into goals which are roped off into different scoring zones; corners score higher. Council winners will move on to the Cleveland regional competition in late October. The event is free.

Call Joe Petrone (330-686-1873) or Pat Rynd (330-328-7104) for information and registration forms. Parent or guardian permission is required.

Amateur Radio

License class is

Oct. 2

The Cuyahoga Falls Amateur Radio Club announces it is offering an entry level (Technician) Ham Radio license class at the Summit County Public Library, downtown Akron branch, starting Oct. 2.

These classes will take place each Sunday in October from 1:15 to 4:45 p.m. and will terminate on Nov. 6 with a review and Technician license test. Students who pass will earn an FCC Amateur Radio Technician class license. There is a course fee, which cover the cost of a copy of the Gordon West Technician license manual, the VE test fee, handouts, and light refreshments. If you have the manual, the fee lower. For more information on specific fees and the class, check out: http://www.cfarc.org/class_2016_10.pdf, or e-mail education@cfarc.org.

Singer to perform for Haven of Rest Women's Auxiliary Oct. 4

Judy Brown, professional singer, former actress, and television host will be presenting, "Music for the Young at Heart" at Haven of Rest's October Auxiliary program on Oct. 4. She has had diverse entertainment training and has worked on stage, in films, and in TV commercials, and was featured this year in the Akron Beacon Journal.

Judy attended the Cleveland Institute of Music as a voice major and eventually set her sights on Hollywood. After her two children were born, she decided to move back to her hometown to raise her children and care for her parents. In 2014, she decided to go back to her roots of singing and started her "Music for the Young at Heart" business. She enjoys entertaining at retirement homes, for senior groups and at fundraisers, and is looking forward to singing some nostalgic, well-loved tunes for the October Auxiliary program.

To enjoy some bargain shopping, come early. Arrive at 10 a.m. the day of auxiliary, stay for a noon luncheon, and attend the program at 1 p.m. All activities take place at Haven of Rest's main building at 175 E. Market St., in downtown Akron. This event is free with all proceeds from the shopping going to support Haven of Rest Ministries. No membership is needed, and all are welcome.

For more information, call Rose Rose at 330-535-1563 or email rrose@havenofrest.org.

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Boston: When a city dates back to the early 1600s*, it’s only natural its attractions and hotels are teeming with ghosts including the Omni Parker House: “In a room on the 10th floor, guests have reported the sound of a rocking chair that kept them up all night. There are no rocking chairs in the hotel.” Boston’s historic graveyards are filled with spirits, too (or so they say) and there are plenty of ghost tours. Or head 15 miles north to Salem, home of the infamous witch trials. Or 50 miles south to the former home of accused axe murderer Lizzie Borden (she was acquitted of killing her parents) which is now a B&B. We suggest you try to ignore the hotel’s cheery motto, “Where everyone is treated like family”.

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Dallas: Ghost Tours of Dallas offer new “Fright and Bite” dinner packages plus traditional tours. For thrills with your chills, head to Six Flags Over Texas, home of numerous ghost sightings. Or try Miss Molly’s Hotel in Fort Worth – a bordello at one point – and some of the girls supposedly still show up now and then (in purely spectral fashion, of course). Learn more here.

Denver: Beware of Cheesman Park, according to legend (which is exactly why you’d want to go there on Halloween). The park was built on a pre-Civil War era cemetery but reportedly not all the in-ground residents were removed and they’re not happy. They say you can still see “partially decayed entities – angry at being forgotten”. Who can blame them?

Los Angeles: Both nearby Disneyland and Knott’s Berry Farm have well-known Halloween celebrations. Or spend the night at the old Queen Mary ocean liner in Long Beach and maybe even see a ghost or two (check the pool area for long-ago drowning victims that supposedly make frequent appearances). Or try the Roosevelt Hotel in Hollywood and you might catch a glimpse of the late Marilyn Monroe.

Seattle: You’ll want to visit the Pike Place Market anyway, and the good news is, it is haunted (allegedly). The most common spirit to watch for is a Native American woman popularly referred to as Princess Angeline who died in 1896 (and was reportedly buried in a canoe-shaped casket). After the market was built on her old stomping grounds in 1907, the princess returned and we’re told is seen with great regularity.

Washington, D.C.: Try to get in a White House tour group (contact your congressman or woman) because that is one spooky abode – according to informed sources, anyway. Pres. Lincoln puts in regular appearances and was once spotted by Winston Churchill when he stayed at the White House: “He had just finished bathing and walked back into the suite where he saw Lincoln standing by the fireplace. He refused to sleep in that room again after that.” [Churchill, afraid? Don’t think so.]

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London: You can find a wonderfully scary story almost anywhere you go in Great Britain but it’s hard to beat the Tower of London. Watch for  Anne Boleyn: “Several people have reported seeing her headless body walking the Tower?s corridors”. Also keep an eye out for Edward V and his brother Richard, the two young princes imprisoned in the Tower and believed to have been killed there: “The ghosts of the children are often seen wearing nightgowns clutching each other in terror in the rooms of the castle.” For something a little different, take a 50 mile drive to the village of Pluckley in Kent which is reputedly the most haunted village in Britain; if you’re lucky, maybe you’ll meet the “Screaming Man”.

Paris: Since 1804, Père Lachaise Cemetery has been a who’s-who of departed souls from around the world including Balzac, Oscar Wilde, numerous Rothschilds and Doors lead singer Jim Morrison (his ghost is reported to be quite a wanderer). Or just go to the Eiffel Tower, scene of a legend that goes like this: Boy proposes to girl at top of tower; girl says no; boy pushes girl off the tower. Naturally, the girl’s ghost is now said to haunt the tower. If true – which we doubt – one can see why she refused him.

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UPDATE: 6:20 p.m. eastern – The Southwest site is down again.

UPDATE: 6:10 p.m. eastern – The Southwest site appears to be back online.

July 20, 2016: If you’ve been trying to book flights on Southwest, forget it for the time being; the site is down due to an unspecified outage that has meant “intermittent performance issues” with multiple technology systems. Worse, planes across the nation have been delayed.

You can still check flight status – or check-in for a flight – but only on a phone (we tried with laptops with no success).

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2001-11-14 08:24:51 PM
2001-11-14 08:26:43 PM
Too bad they weren't Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons; they'd have been thrown out of the country long ago (their bicycles confiscated and crushed under a wall).
2001-11-14 08:27:49 PM
I want a ride in a Blackhawk, too! Come capture me!
2001-11-14 08:29:41 PM
Well, this is a good day. I didn't even realise these guys had been held until I read about their transfer when Kabul fell. Glad to know things worked out well.

I wonder what those other "entities" were? I bet someone got to see the wrath of US SpecOps in a very personal sense.
2001-11-14 08:30:26 PM
Goku, exactly what I was thinking! So instead I will say, "HOT DAMN!"
2001-11-14 08:36:46 PM
"The prayer has really brought her into this situation (the release), and got her out of the hands and clutches of the Taliban, those evil people over there."

Yes, their christians beliefs definitely got them into this situation. Ehh, out. No... in. Nevermind.
2001-11-14 08:37:27 PM
2001-11-14 08:37:40 PM
also, w00t!
2001-11-14 08:37:49 PM
Hm. Could the Taliban given them a going away present to bring back? Perhaps smallpox?
2001-11-14 08:39:35 PM
"Miss, could you please stop that incessant ticking noi-"

Headline- 'Helicopter goes down in flames'
2001-11-14 08:39:47 PM
Wow! Finally some unequivocally good news!
2001-11-14 08:43:50 PM
Yeah, that group could take down every morning talkshow if they were infected with a disease.
2001-11-14 08:44:06 PM
May have been seeing some wrath, may have been some people going for that "Get Out Of Wrath Free" card.
2001-11-14 08:49:38 PM
"There has been no word on the fate of 16 Afghan Muslims who worked for the aid agency and were arrested at the same time...."

that bit is not so happy
2001-11-14 08:50:31 PM
It's probably just a group of Talaban soldiers in disguise who figured this was the only way to get out of the country.
2001-11-14 08:51:17 PM
Funny thing is that the son of Mohmar Khaddafi orchestrated the release of them.
2001-11-14 08:58:39 PM
Yes, their christians beliefs definitely got them into this situation. Ehh, out. No... in. Nevermind.

Those pesky christians. Getting into all that trouble. Oh wait thats right it was christians who fought for the freedom of slaves all over the world includeing those in this country. Oh well that will teach them!
2001-11-14 09:00:34 PM
True Bijou.
And let's not forget there is a husband/wife couple that has been held hostage by Islamic militants in the Philippines since May. The group holding them, Abu Sayyaf, has been particularly barbaric, recently killing 18 hostages including 1 American.
2001-11-14 09:01:31 PM
THANKYOU BLACK JESUS! for delivering our beloved aid workers to us.
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2001-11-14 09:05:26 PM

I am so going to use that
2001-11-14 09:06:51 PM
I've got one of those action figures btw
2001-11-14 09:09:25 PM
I take it whoever sent in the link is a Tenacious D fan?

With Karate, I'll kick your ass!
2001-11-14 09:10:06 PM
Where in Kentucky do they sell black Jesus Action figures?
2001-11-14 09:19:00 PM

I thought it was quite humouroues that CNN felt the need to clarify what the guy who make the statement meant to say. Especially since it could be said that the missionaries got themselves into the trouble in the first place.

I think you'll find that roughly the same proportion of people keeping slaves and fighting slavery were christians, so I'm not really sure what your point is.

AFAIK, the bible says quite a few things about the specifics of keeping slaves, but I don't think it labels it as wrong in any way.
2001-11-14 09:21:09 PM
I am very pleased and thankful to see these people rescued, but the question still remains, Why were they in Taliban controlled Afghanistan as missionaries? Did they expect not to be caught? As far as I concerned it was pretty boneheaded to go in their with the intention of converting some of these people. It makes me kind of mad that because of their moronic actions, the lives of some of our servicemen were possibly compromised on this supposed rescue mission.
2001-11-14 09:24:47 PM
"Rock!" ?? Sounds like the submitter is a fan of
Sifl & Olly...
2001-11-14 09:34:40 PM
Im sorry, but if we keep saving aid workers, the terrorists may have already won
2001-11-14 09:41:18 PM
Can't wait for Goatman to spin this one....
2001-11-14 09:41:37 PM
If people don't stop making fun of stupid people, the terrorists have already won
2001-11-14 09:41:45 PM
Yes, all those Christians, peskily trying to convert Muslims who may hate Americans for their western ideas and be willing to blow themselves up for a chance to kill a few of them, into a new religion which is less worried about religious domination and more about peace.
2001-11-14 09:42:46 PM
I don't think they were there as missionaries, they were working for a christian aid organization doing humanitarian work. The Tallybans accused them of preaching christianity and arrested them but they denied it. But you know how those damn christians lie.
2001-11-14 09:47:59 PM
They even arrested agnostics for not preaching anything.
2001-11-14 09:50:34 PM
the terrorists have already won? all our base are belong to them?

or is this an ed mcmahon of the tallyban reference?

(drew? can that be a photoshop? just a general -"Photoshop Ed McMahon of the tallyban - you may have already won!- just submit ANY picture referencing ed mcmahon of the tallyban" (can ya tell I like that rhyme?) I mean, I submit and I submit and I get refuted and rebuffed (like I was buff once and and am now rebuffed - yeah right - once a fatty always a fatty) - but yeah drew...hunh?

(shiat, I gotta sober up before morning or its gonna be one ugly thursday)
2001-11-14 09:58:32 PM
If I don't say this.......the terrorists will have already won. Personally, I think these aid workers deserved to be booted out of the country. I don't agree with them being held captive though. People like them are people I hate the most. Forcing their religion on other people. It's as bad as those morons who walk door to door handing out those booklets. I made the mistake of answering the door one time and sat there and listened to their speil. As soon as I shut the door, I tossed their damn booklet in the trash. If those farkin idiots come to my door now, I just sit there at my computer in full view of them.
2001-11-14 10:04:18 PM

oh gawd...there seems to be ALOT of black jesus stuff in the world...I've led such a sheltered fat white guy life. Kinda like a marshamallow held away from the cocoa. (gotta go -that reference scared me alot and I dont like it when I scare myself)(they may have already won)
2001-11-14 10:06:36 PM
"terrorists win"? thats ok, i got enough $ to AWP 'em
in the next round.
2001-11-14 10:08:38 PM
thank god they were rescued, now we can throw them to the lions like we used to do in the good ol' days
2001-11-14 10:17:31 PM
MediaMadeMeKill: Bull. Plain and simple. Quit rewriting history. Just as many Christians owned slaves and those that didn't, and just as many Christians justified slavery with the Bible as demonized it with the same book. The slave traders were Christian, The plantation owners were Christian, Jefferson Davis was Christian, and so was, and is, the staggering majority of Southern good ol' boys who seceeded from the union in the first place because they couldn't cotton (HA HA HA) to the idea of giving up free labor. Nice try, kiddo, but Christ and his little fan club are a feature attraction in the story of worldwide slavery.

2001-11-14 10:22:37 PM
Poor, desperate people will probably act in similar ways, whether they're muslims or christians. This can be seen in a lot of countries in Africa, if anyone cares.

I think it's a little bit naive to think that converting people will do any good.

But forget about that, muslims are evil, and there's a war on. Let's not think too much.
2001-11-14 11:00:30 PM
***shxsxh** HOSTAGE HAS BEEN RESCUED ***xsxhsh**
2001-11-14 11:05:47 PM
It seems to me that you think that because a whole farkload of people have taken the Bible's contents out of context and used it for their own purposes, that means everyone else who reads the Bible and is Christian is just as wrong as them. You're basically making the same mistake many Americans made as far as the generalization of Muslims. That being that because bin Laden is some psycho using his religion as a means to his own end, all Muslims are equally evil. What you know of Christianity must have come from what you saw of David Koresh.
2001-11-14 11:17:34 PM

Spike listed some well-known historical facts, and didn't make any negative comments about modernday christians.

Actually, I got the impression from your sarcastic post, that you actually think the people in Afghanistan would be better off with a little christianity. But I was wrong I guess, because that would make you one of these generalizing sillypussies, wouldn't it?
2001-11-14 11:17:57 PM
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Bad place to see a special forces helicopter.
2001-11-14 11:28:00 PM
USSOCOM (US Special Forces Command) does not fly AH-64A/D Apaches.
2001-11-14 11:31:35 PM
What's the "O" for in USSOCOM? I just thought it was a good pic, I don't know who gets to play with which toys. Sorry.
2001-11-14 11:34:31 PM
dammit vax, could you PLEASE read the "Civilians Guide to What Bunch has what Stuff"...I mean, EVERYBODY knew that the USSOCOM doesnt fly THOSE AH-64A/D Apaches...
2001-11-14 11:36:21 PM
Amazing how this little piece of good news is used by people to further their person agendas. I encounter as much intolerance from non-Christians as I do from Christians.

Shawn Pickrell
2001-11-14 11:37:17 PM
Geepers, I misplaced my guide...I think it's behind the seat with all of those lost french fries and cig butts. I'll have to do more research next time I put up a pic, I didn't realize how educated Farkers were! :)
2001-11-14 11:40:26 PM
Sorry, USSOCOM == US Special Operations Command, my bad.
2001-11-14 11:45:03 PM
Get it right you guys, christians teach christianity, missionaries teach the missionary position, jeez.
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