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    Expensive paint

    I have the. Designo Hyacinth Red ( BTW...There is no red Hyacinth) Why is it more expensive than normal metallic paints?
  2. K

    Is this conservatory quote too expensive, please?

    Hello, I have received a negotiated quote of £32,000 from Everest for the following specification conservatory; - 6m X 3.5m - uPVC framed - 600m base brick wall around the full conservatory - One side wall in full brick - Piling foundation - A step - 1 double door and 1 folding door...
  3. Tim203

    Expensive cars

    With the fall of the pound mean cars will become more expensive or will they stay the same or will the market recover quick enough not to affect it. I'm off to Germany in August and it's already looking pricey!
  4. JohnEclass

    Expensive problem

    My lad just got his C220 back from local indie... key would open car but would not start car.... key checked and ok, so diagnosed as the control unit which is mounted in steering column which apparently needed hammer and chisel treatment then a new unit / master key from Mercedes for coding...
  5. D

    super low miles super expensive s211 e55

    Mercedes-Benz E Class 5.4 E55 AMG 5dr green apparently. I think its going to take a while to find the buyer but I dare say they are out there.
  6. 350_Coupe

    C55 on Autotrader - bit expensive ?

    MERCEDES-BENZ C CLASS 5.4 C55 AMG 4dr Saloon for sale in Woking | Auto Trader does that seem a touch excessive ? .... and keyless go, on a 203 C-Class ?? also crap photos
  7. uumode

    Can choice of own repairer be a more expensive quote?

    Normally with previous older cars I'd just go for the cheapest big name car insurer on confused/gocompare e.g. Aviva, AA, M&S, L&G at about £180-£200 pa. Having just acquired a brand new car, reading the small print of these companies most infer that you have to use their approved repairers...
  8. 219

    Tidy W123 , albeit expensive

    Pity about the number plates 1984 MERCEDES 230 CE 230 CE COUPE PETROL | eBay
  9. Bryan Allman

    Instead of buying an expensive exhaust .......

    Try this :) https://youtu.be/FmNolu_ZUpk
  10. I

    Most expensive on car UK Ebay?

    1965 Ferrari 275 GTB Twin Cam | eBay OK, so I've had a two or beer.
  11. spinaltap

    Expensive Mini

    This week, I visited Sytner Mini in Solihull to look at their recently released 5 door model. There on sale was a fully restored classic Mk 1 model from the late 1950's. With 32k miles on the clock, it is yours for £32k.
  12. D

    1957 sls off old 300 sl for sale more expensive than current sls models??!!

    1957 Mercedes-Benz 300 SL | eBay
  13. I

    Incredibly Expensive W123 Estate.

    The only other reference to B*llocks, apart from me saying that no one will be seeing mine dangling in whatever the modern equivalent of Burton’s window is if this makes that money, is me saying that his price for this is utter B*llocks. (Though I do notice it boasts a Heated Rear...
  14. bpsorrel

    The most expensive Audi in the World!

    I love the bit where he says "this is a rare model..." Should think it had to be VERY rare for what he's asking for it!! :D:D:D Audi S6 4.2 quattro Avant Tiptronic For Sale (2000) on Car And Classic UK [C489639]
  15. E270 Owner

    An expensive little prang 8 Ferraris

    This will take more than t-cut to sort out...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv9gGDk0j4I
  16. D

    2nd car proving expensive!

    I would like to have an m3 tag top as a 2 nd car. I've tried multi car insurance companies bur it seems the 2nd car stands alone. How do people insure their 2nd cars? I've tried Adrian Flux to no avail.
  17. W

    tyres 25% more expensive than last year

    Has anyone else noticed that tyres seem to be quite a bit more expensive than this time last year. I'd expect maybe a 5% increase due to inflation, material, transport costs etc, but 25%. What's driven this price up, or is it just the specific size I'm after 205/55/16?
  18. JohnEclass

    Expensive sidelights

    Just helped my son fit his new LED angel eye sidelights on his BMW 320 coupe.....H8 replacements. They look good but you need the hands of a baby to fit them!.......and they cost £70 for a pair!! There's a market for you there Killerhertz!!
  19. O

    watercooled Alternators sound expensive ?

    Driving home in my 2005 W220 CDI this evening my dash lit up with Battery charge warning visit workshop..my xmas wish is I hope a Bosch Regulator Brush kit will be a quick fix to my problem or could it be a water cooled Alternator and more cash..any ideas guys ?
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    Tad expensive???

    Surely this is 10k over priced?? Used 2009 Mercedes-Benz AMG E63 AMG for sale in Fareham | Pistonheads
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2015 Honda Accord

Originally Posted by Dalessio View Post
Continental DWS are great all seasons and I've been running them for a few years now. Plus I can work from home any time the weather is bad so I realized having a dedicated winter set at this point was just kind of silly.
I had dedicated winter setup (General Altimax Arctic tires) for a while. This past winter I got the DWS06's and for the amount of snow we received they did well.

Originally Posted by ScoobyFreak86 View Post
The only time I would consider having both a dedicated set of summers and winters is if I did track time.
That's the reason why I have two sets (summer & winter). Autocross would beat up my DWS06's very quickly.

Originally Posted by Obviously Tyler View Post
I've had the DWS06 (new version) tires on my WRX for a little while now. In 265/35-18.

They've been fantastic in all weather conditions. Of course they're not as good in the snow as dedicated snow tires, especially in a wider size. But they're good enough to get around if you're taking your time.
Yeah they did well for me this past winter. Granted (like I said above) we didn't have a bad winter this year in the Mid-Atlantic but they did the job for the small snow amounts we had.
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  1. I'm currently a dental student in first year and I've seen numerous forums and discussions about the fall of dentistry. I want to see if any newly grads or dental students have any concerns or positive insights/myth busters. Also, no I'm not in dentistry just for the money. I like the detailed manual work and I think I'm kind of good at it for someone who just started. But the concerns listed online are so overwhelming that it makes me think my interest in the profession is not going to be enough for me to even pay off my student debt let alone make a comfortable living.
  2. Been looking over the forums and can't find anything... Any info would be appreciated!
  3. Salut!! La date du premier TAED approche bientôt donc j'ai pensé commencer une discussion sur l'admission en DMD pour l'automne 2021 si jamais vous avez des questions sur quoi que ce soit! Heeyy! The first DAT exam is coming up soon so I thought of starting a discussion for the fall 2021 dentistry admissions in case you had any questions!
  4. Hi guys! Congratulations to those who got in! For those who got waitlisted and got rejected, it's not the end! Just curious about the stats this year so please feel free to share if you feel like it! Include your (1) DAT SCORE including AA and PAT, (2) GPA with lowest year dropped, and (3) Year / whether or not you took Masters.
  5. Hi everyone! I'm doing my undergrad degree at the moment and I'm considering going abroad to study dentistry! I just recently found out that there are some graduate schools in Australia that are 4 years long if you have an undergrad degree (which I plan on getting). I know there has been lots of discussion on this but I wanted to start a discussion about what option is best if I'm interested in in studying abroad and wanting to come back to practice in Canada. I am genuinely interested in studying abroad and I'm not trying to "pay my way through dental school". That being said, my fa
  6. Hello, I'm a second year science student at university of Manitoba and I have few of my core science courses to take in the future with some electives. To those of you who have applied to university of Manitoba dentistry, what electives did you take? (In need of GPA boosters XD) Thank you in advance!
  7. Hi there, I am a third year undergrad trying to get into Dentistry, specifically aiming for the University of Manitoba. If anyone could help and steer me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. There's a lot of info on here but most of it is for other schools such as UofT. So I guess I have a couple of questions for anyone who knows about UManitoba's acceptance rates, averages etc. 1) There is a lot of talk AGPAs but not a lot about core course averages. If you were accepted or know anyone who has been accepted into the program, do you mind sharing your AGPA as well a
  8. Hello, On the umanitoba dentistry bulletin, it says "In the past three years, the minimum core course averages for Manitoba applicants were: 3.60 (2019) 3.60 (2018) 3.60 (2017)" So does the gpa indicated above mean 3.6 was the average gpa of all the applicants? If not, could somebody please help me understand how they determined the cut-offs for each year? Thank you in advance!!
  9. Forum for anyone applying to McGill Dentistry 2021 :)
  10. Hey guys thought I’d start this to get an idea of what people’s stats were who applied and for people on the waitlist, since it seems like applications were more competitive this year. OOP/ IP: Accepted/ Rejected/ Waitlisted: AGPA: DAT: Interview thoughts (if you want):
  11. IP / OOP / International Result: Invite / Reject / Waitlist for Interview cGPA: sGPA: DAT (PAT and MDT): ECs: Year: UG (what year), Masters, PhD
  12. I'm an OOP applying this cycle. Wondering if they look at the best two years or all of them.
  13. Hey Everyone, I hope everyone and their families are doing well during this pandemic! To those who have already applied/been accepted into Dentistry at the University of Manitoba, I have a few questions. After high school, I moved from Toronto to Winnipeg, and now I study at the UofM. I wanted to apply to dentistry, but unfortunately, I am not considered an in province applicant because I must live here for two years prior to applying to dentistry to be considered an in-province applicant, even though I'm living here & taking classes at the UofM. I called them and they men
  14. Salut! Je propose de commencer ici un nouveau thread pour toute question et suivi de l'admission DMD 2020 Ulaval et UdeM
  15. Hey Guys, I stumbled upon this test prep ebook which presents information tested on the Canadian (written) and American (part II) board exams in point form. I thought it was a solid purchase, and wanted to share it with you. Good Luck!!! https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B085QN35M8
  16. I have to complete 1 chemistry and 2 physics courses to open some doors applications wise. Would taking courses online be an appropriate way to approach this? Specifically I'm wondering if UofA accepts online physics courses (do they care about lab?) any help appreciated
  17. (1) What is the process of applying for the DOTP like and how competitive is it to get in (academically and physically)? (2) Is it possible to apply for the DOTP during your second or third year of dental school? (3) I feel like I would like working for the Canadian Forces as I always have had a knack for adventure, but if I had to end my contract earlier (e.g. if I wanted to open a private practice even before my obligatory service ends), how huge will the penalty be? (4) I know it helps to be bilingual but do the Forces still consider you if you only speak English?
  18. Hi everyone! I was hoping you guys could help me out. I was successful in securing a seat at a dental school in Australia and am now in the process of trying to obtain a student line of credit to pay for my studies, but I don’t have a co-signer (my credit is excellent though). Can anyone point me in the right direction? Is it possible to secure a LOC without a co-signer? Many of the major banks seem to offer great options, but they seem to be reserved for students studying dentistry in Canada and/or require a co-signer. That being said, seeing that there is a reciprocal agreem
  19. Hi everyone, seeing as admissions has informed me that letters will be sent out “tomorrow at the latest,” I figured it’s that time of year again: status: cGPA: DAT: Self-perceived interview thoughts: regardless of the outcome guys, we came a long way and that’s something admirable!
  20. Hey everyone, I am interested in hearing everyone's opinion on the pros/cons of each dental school. I'll get it going based on what I've heard: Toronto: + Big city living + Networking/Social - Competitive atmosphere - Cost of living - Archaic program/facility - Notoriously difficult profs Western: + New/renovated facility + Cost of living + Less competitive atmosphere - Less nightlife - Smaller city McGill: + Low tuition + Small class sizes + Beautiful city + Average program - Out of Ontario - French city - Others????
  21. Hello Dental Studies Students, We still need a tutor 3 evenings per week for a first year dental hygiene student in Toronto, North York area, to meet in person for 2-hour sessions. Please Reply if you are interested. Thanks!
  22. Hey guys...looks like TD just launched their campaign with Amazon for the year. Medicine and Dentistry students can get a $500 Amazon Gift Card if they get a Student Line of Credit up to $325k at Prime - 0.25% and their premium chequing account(for free while in school), premium credit card bonus and financial planning.
  23. Hello, I am hoping to apply to dentistry next year, and I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for good books/materials that helped them prepare for MMI style interviews. Thanks!!
  24. Hello! I'm VERY interested in applying for the DMD program at UBC and have a few questions about admissions. A bit of background on me... I completed an undergrad degree in Business with a 3.2 GPA. I have yet to take the pre-reqs for the DMD program at UBC, as well as write the DAT and CASPER test before applying for the program. After my experiences I realized that dental is what I want to do and I'm aiming to complete the pre-reqs with good grades and complete the DAT and CASPER with high marks. I'm afraid that with my 3.2 undergrad GPA I have no chances of getting into the p
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Number of people in circles, if a delegate of a sub-circle gets added

A sociocracy practitioner submitted the following question after reading Who Decides Who Decides:

Here’s the situation, and a few areas of confusion that emerge for me -
A circle decides to establish a sub-circle. They select a leader from within their circle (now parent circle), for that sub-circle, among a few other people for that sub-circle, who may or may not be part of the parent circle. Among these, they also select a delegate, who now also serves on the parent circle.
What if that parent circle had governing agreements that identified a max # of people, and they were already maxed out before the delegate was sent to that circle? Should they a) have thought of/addressed that before they made a sub-circle, or b) is this related to the ‘inversion step’ and essentially just tolerate a little messiness until the inversion makes sense and the group is ready? or both?
Ok, now at some point let’s say that sub circle has grown to 5-6 people and they select a different operational leader than the person who was sent “down” from the parent circle in the beginning. Does that mean that the new sub-circle leader is ALSO now a full participating member of the parent circle? Otherwise, where would the second link in the double-link principle function? So if that’s true, then the parent circle now grew by two people (delegate and the new leader), right? I’m just thinking that if all the sub circle of the general circle did this, then the general/parent circle might unintentionally grow to a less than desirable size because they could conceivably have all their original members, plus two additional people for each sub circle.
Do you see where I’m getting a little mixed up here? Maybe one thing that is further confusing all this is my concept and use of terms. We have governing agreements that our mission circle (our board of directors) serves 3-year terms, and you can serve up to 3 terms (9 years) before having to step down for at least a year.
Yeah, I’m stuck somehow. Any clarity or support here would be hugely helpful! I can only imagine you’ve come up against this predicament already!

I guess the parent circle would have to figure out what’s most important to them - full flow of information or a manageable group size.
The keyword for me here is intentionality. In a way, yes, they should have thought about it before/when forming the circle but it isn’t too late now.

I guess a good question is, why are so many people on the circle? Maybe another sub-circle should be formed to get people out of that parent circle? It could be what you’re describing around the inversion. If others are still just lingering there, maybe it’s just a messy and incremental transformation.

Another question to ask is whether double-linking is the only way to get flow of information and healthy balance between the new circle and its parent circle. Maybe single linking is enough. Or maybe the delegate gets selected but only shows up in the parent circle if their circle is bringing a main item to the agenda, so the delegate is “on call”.

If a new leader is selected, yes, then you’re right. But I keep wanting to hear why the previous leader is in that circle. Are they needed there? I mean, circle membership is by roles/operations, not by legacy. Just because you used to be on the circle doesn’t mean you’re still on the circle when someone else is doing your former role, you know? And that’s, at least that my guess, what’s tripping you up. I am guessing you’re attaching people and circle somewhat permanently. I know that’s often the case in organizations, and I wish people adopted a more lean, fluid and less ego-driven way around that. Ask yourself, do I have to be in this circle? Why am I in this circle?

Let me know what you do with my answers!

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Thank you for this response, Ted! You make some great points. In our case, when someone serves on a circle for a long time I don’t feel like it is so much about legacy or ego, as it is about the value of continuity. We still do a variation of a selection process at the end of their three-year term. I think what I’m more hung up on is the concept of circle member terms in general. I realize sociocracy uses policy terms as a tool for making policies more palatable for a group and to track the effectiveness of such policies. But what about policies for member role terms, circle member role terms specifically? I suppose it’s too hypothetical a question right now and I should just see what happens in practice, and address any challenge with the group in that particular context.

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Terms for member role terms are totally possible. In theory, everyone should do that but most don’t. But there’s nothing that keeps you from defining the terms the way you want to.

Yes, and circle membership is a consent decision after all, at least in my reading. Making someone a circle member is a “bulk” decision for people to be in a circle for long term.

Right, ok. And after a delegate is Selected, by a sub-circle, does the parent circle still have a consent round to welcome/agree to work with that person? And in the rare event that for some reason there is an objection to that person serving on the parent circle, then the sub circle would have to select a new delegate I assume.

I think I better understand the issue of the term now. Before I think I was relating the term with the person, as opposed to the circle membership role. In other words, when a person is selected for a new role on a different circle, a new term would apply for that new role.

Yes, and yes.
“People” don’t really exist; they’re always circle members, either just like that, or in operational roles, or as linking roles.


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help with small matter that is driving me crazy please

You guys are going back and forth between 2 things.
1)Getting to the associated channel to control plugins from a MIDI track
2)Getting to the instrument associated with an instrument or MIDI track

The ‘e’ will always bring up the channel editor, unless you alt+click. The inspector has a direct button to VSTi on both MIDI and instrument tracks (several actually). There are also several key commands you can map to gain various kinds of focus on instruments, plugins etc…

Yes but if the click the e button for the instrument in the inspector when your playing midi for that channel, it automatically comes off the midi channel you were playing & goes to the instrument channel. The only way to get around it it holding alt & click e in the inspector & that opens another window for the audio mixer settings & you can still play the midi!
What I really want to be able to do is simple. When in prefs you have ticked “sync Selection in project window and Mixconsole” & you are flying up and down your audio & instrument tracks midi tracks etc(including multitimbral) in the project window, & your edit channel window is open, I just want it to not show the midi channel AT ALL but just the Instrument Channel (the one the same as the Audio channels) thwe one with the eq on etc.
It seems the only way to do this is choosing a TRACK instrument instead of a RACK Instrument, but then it still does not work for multitimbral,… OR pushing the “e” button in the inspector with the Alt key held.

Anyway, I hope Steinberg can put this feature in.

P.s. I cant seem to get my Audio output to show up next to my midi output as in the pictures above, even if Ipush the arrows etc?? Any ideas anyone please?? :slight_smile:

It sounds like you have the preference ‘arm selected track’ on, or something like that, which un-arms the track when the other track gets selected. If you turn that off and manually arm midi tracks you’d like to play live (or press the Monitor button I think too) then you will still be able to play while editing the audio channel. Does that help at all?

Where is “arm selected track” or whatever it’s called please?

Aha, I found it in Preferences->Editing->Project&MixConsole->Enable Record on Selected MIDI Track. Also one for the audio tracks. I have them both switched off, and I use the R key to arm a track or click the ‘Record Enable’ button (to give it it’s correct name!).

hi Mike,
I just tried it & it still brings up the midi channel like I explained earlier. Thanks for trying to help though :slight_smile:

Well, I’m confused now because surely we’ve addressed all your problems haven’t we? a) Click the other ‘e’ button on the inspector to see the VSTI’s audio channel, and now b) with the preference off you can still play/record the record enabled midi track(s). Other than that, there’s no way of scooting past the midi channel settings.

Anyway, how about you move the channels side-by-side? E.g. use the project window to put the VSTi audio channel below the MIDI channel which plays it. Also the VSTi itself has a channel which may contain automation, and I put that below the audio channel too. Then they’re all together right next to each other.

Hi Mike,

No it can’t do what I want it to but have found the nearest best thing, thanks for your help.

Hopefully Steinberg will put this feature in soon. Cheers, Codsworth :slight_smile:


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Looking For a Great Sounding Hammond B3/Leslie Speaker VSTi

FYI… against my better judgement I purchased the full version of VB3 a day or two after I posted my last post. Worked (2) projects so far with no problems. So it looks like my issue (crashing during mp3 export) might be an intermittent thing. Still, hope they issue a 64 bit version at some point.

Guido, the VB3 author, I suspect was having some non work related issues which prevented him from spending time on the 64 bit development, the last email I got from him was long ago and intimated this.

Works fine with jbridge though.

Yes, the B4 was AMAZING !! A friend of mine has it and he help me make some backing trackings for myself on it. i loved absolutely EVERYTHING about it !!

Since I installed C7.5 I have tried again to use the jBridged version (jBridge V1.5), and haven’t had one single crash. Only used it in a new blank project though, haven’t got the courage yet to open older projects with VB3 in it.

Keeping my fingers crossed. But still, like you I’m still hoping for a 64bit version.

He has been busy building hardware: a double manual clonewheel http://www.crumar.it/?a=showproduct&b=4
and a leslie simulator: http://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=41.

Both are powered by a new version of the VB3 software it seems (V2).

WOW< the VB3 really sounds somethin’ else !! i was very impressed with the demonstrations.

i was trying to work out what the song title is of demo :-

VB3 - 1.x - Demo Jazz 2 by Phil Wilkinson

i think it is ‘JOYSPRING’ ??

Yes, this topic inspired me to reach out to Guido after thinking about it some more, and he has confirmed that V2 is well under way and soon to find its way into the light. :sunglasses:

That’s great news about V2. Real glad you took the time to communicate with him. Cool! :slight_smile:

Just to confirm that VB3 works without problem with Cubase 6.5 and 7. It’s not the case with 5.1, though, as the VSTBridge bundled in this Cubase version was evidently unable to cope with it : I had to purchase JBridge to use VB3, at the expense of several warning messages each time I try to load a project involving it when using a non administrator Windows account, this, even if it works without problems after this.

A great stuff, but indeed, it’s high time to have a 64 bits version available…

It’s too bad you can’t get a hold of Native Instrument’s B4 II & try it out - complete with draw bars, pedals & all.

I got it in a bundle called Komplete Classics, which included Akoustik Pianos, Pro 53 Synth, Electrik Pianos 1.5 & B4 II - all for $199.00.

Although it was a 32 bit release, [pre-64 bit days], it works just fine both in standalone mode & in Kontakt 4.2.4 in my Windows 7 - 64 Bit OS, without needing jbridge.

Maybe you can find one on KVR market place or something. Probably dirt cheap by now if you can.

You could post a ‘Wanted’ ad there, among other places, & see what happens.

I’d even consider selling mine but I just like it too much! :mrgreen:

I guess I shied away from Native Instruments after purchasing their “57 Drawbar Organ”. It too had some limited adjustability but I didn’t think it sounded as realistic as the ORGANized Trio (now VB3) program does.

Does anyone have anything to say about NI’s “Vintage Organ”? On the surface it looks like the “57 Drawbar Organ”.

Does anyone have anything to say about NI’s “Vintage Organ”?

It’s been mentioned elsewhere in this thread but I guess it could bear repeating this far along…

The original NI B4 II was a stand-alone/VST/AU algorithmic synth. It can respond to drawbar movement (manually or via MIDI/Quick controls/automation) as notes are being held. Mission critical controls are all on the main page. Key click control has reasonable range. It has a wide range of easily accessible presets.

NI’s present Kontakt version, Vintage Organ, uses the same B4 GUI elements (more or less), using the Kontakt rompler engine playing samples run through EFX blocks. Held notes do not respond to drawbar movement. Some mission critical controls are scattered across pages. Key click control is limited…as it is also sampled. It’s presets are a PITA to access and have been reduced in number from the original B4 II. Basically, it is junk.

Yea… that’s what I figured about Vintage Organ. Thanks. :frowning:

Man, I wish I could do that “Mojo” keyboard justice. It’s not a bad deal really for $2537 USD if you are into it. I am… but, can’t cough up the cash right now. Oh well. :frowning:

Are there any new alternatives? I still love Logics B3 emulation, but since going to cubase I can no longer use it (tried using it in Mainstage but the lack of PDC between Cubase and Mainstage made me quit using it. VB3’s lack of 64bit mac development scares me. Any other good alternatives?

You could give DB-33 a try.
After demoing it, I was not utterly impressed. Mainly because of its features compared to VB3 and the dead B4 II (and I had some iLok issues). But overall it’s an okay virtual clonewheel.

Just noticed that GSi has recently released (in early July 2018) an updated/new VSTi software named GSi-VB3-II. It’s not free but, they do have a trial version available. It has a plethora of assignable/adjustable parameters to get the sound you want. Man does it sound great and works perfectly on my system. Nice… I upgraded the same day as downloading the trial. :wink:

Available in 64bit for Windows and OSX as VST2, VST3, AU (only Mac) and Standalone. Have fun. :slight_smile:

Regards :sunglasses:

Without doubt the best sounding Leslie emulation is PSP’s L’Rotary - it’s gorgeous - particularly when combined with their scanner too. It’s creamy. lush and downright beautiful!

Check out GG Blue, and Arturia B-3-V, both are pretty amazing.

As a long time vb3 user I have to say that Blue3 now rules them all.
They also have a separate Leslie - Spin. Also great.


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A Swedish man was arrested and briefly detained for attempting to build a nuclear reactor in his kitchen. "I've always been interested in nuclear physics and particle physics," the unnamed 31-year-old told the Helsingborgs Dagblad (Google Translate). "I have read many books about it and wanted to see if it worked. I just …

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  1. Nell Hansen

    Open-source reactoring?

    Americium 241, the isotope found in smoke-detectors, is NOT FISSIBLE. In other words, you can't make a bomb or a reactor of it.

    The 242m isomer is theoretically fissible, but so difficult that no working reactor uses it as fuel.

    They do have search engines in Sweden, right?

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
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      Undeterred by the approach being impossible? Not being transformed into a quivering wreck of fear by the possibility making the house sarcophagus-ready? Unafraid of spicing up the ramen with splattered Americium?

      A budding Black Mesa whitecoat, I say.

    2. Anonymous Coward

      Read the book

      David Hahn also got some thorium and radium, isolated from stuff from flea market. I presume it was similar for this guy.

      The Giants on whose shoulders present day science stands on were very much alike this guy - I'd say they should find a university for him and let him do some proper science.

    3. Disco-Legend-Zeke

      241 Is A Source...

      ...of neutrons.

      There are two uses.

      1. Bombarding U238 to produce Plutonium

      2. As an Initiator, that first neutron to start the chain reaction.

      And additionally, all the cool Industrial things where a cheap source of ionizing radiation is to be had. For example, smoke detectors.

      I don't know how much shielding this guy had, but looking at his ashtray, the cigarettes will get him before the radiation anyhoo. As a backup, darwin made Plutonium a powerful chemical poison

    4. Anonymous Coward

      Isomer is not the same as Isotope

      I'm sure they have search engines in Sweden, but it's worth clearing up what an isomer is vs what an isotope is.

      Isomers are molecules that have the same chemical formula but in which the atoms are arranged differently. Propanol is a good example of this (the hydroxyl group can be on the "end" carbon atom or the "middle" one - but they are both still "alcohols" - there's another isomer that has the same formula (C3H8O) that isn't...

      These differences in layout, even the very minor ones, can have a significant impact which can range from different physical properties such as boiling point all the way through to different biochemical reactions in the body - thalidomide is perhaps the most infamous example of this where one isomer had health benefits and the other caused birth defects.....

      Isotopes are variants of an element - whilst they have the same number of protons (also known as atomic number) they have a differing number of neutrons. Americium has 95 protons, a variable number of neutrons depending on whether its the 241/242/243 isotope.

      1. Richard Boyce
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        Re: Isomer is not the same as Isotope

        The AC who had a problem with the term "isomer" being used in a nuclear context needs to do some research of his own. The term isn't restricted to its meaning in Chemistry. Try looking up "Nuclear Isomer" in Wikipedia.

        The reason that Americium is used in domestic smoke detectors is that only a trivial and non-dangerous amount is needed. You're not going to get close to building a reactor with what you can scavenge from a warehouse full of detectors.

        Practically, you'd need a roomful of ultra-pure Uranium and graphite before you could even think of getting a chain reaction going. Maybe a bit less if you managed to get some beryllium and didn't mind poisoning yourself with it.

        Bottom line, there is zero risk of any amateur getting a chain reaction going in his home. But as with all things nuclear, that doesn't stop people worrying (including those with authority) and being wound up by the media.

        1. Anonymous Coward

          >"zero risk of any amateur getting a chain reaction going in his home."

          How the hell can you talk about a zero risk when there is at least one well-known and thoroughly documented historical incident of it actually having happened? You fail Probability 101 forever.

      2. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

        Nuclear Isomer (Was Re: Isomer is not the same as Isotope)

        Thanks for the "science lesson".

        242m is the metastable isomer of Americium 242:

        Not sure where he's going to get 242m though.

    5. Your Retarded

      There's no such word.

      I think you meant 'fissile'.

      How do you expect anyone take you seriously on the subject?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Or maybe.....

        .... The word exists, it's just that it's 'infissible' to us mere mortals....

  2. Andus McCoatover

    Having difficulty holding onto the barstool again...

    That just looks like an omelette that went seriously wrong, rather than a "Manhattan Project" in his mum's kitchen.

  3. kain preacher

    now every movie about home made nukes will now have to have a disclaimer. Hey jack ass don't do this.

    If you do this you might go to jail or body parts might fall off.

  4. Anonymous Coward
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    Makes your oven sparkle!

    Call me sceptical, but wouldn't most of the worlds energy problems, not to mention weapons problems, be redundant if it were possible to just cook up a nuclear reactor on the home stove?

    I do admire the guys optimism though, if not his cleanliness...

    It's a shame the ingredients bill ran so high, otherwise he could have purchased some Mr Muscle® Oven Cleaner.. ("makes your oven sparkle!")

    1. Andus McCoatover

      Mr Muscle® Oven Cleaner.. ("makes your oven sparkle!")

      I thought the slogan was "Does the jobs you hate".

      Maybe that changed when some woman wote "Does it give my sweaty, stinking husband a blowjob when he comes home rat-faced from the pub on a Friday night? OK, I'll buy it"

    2. Ben Norris

      answer to the worlds energy problem

      yes if people wern't so paranoid about nuclear power it would be far cheaper and greener (and still safer) than the alternatives available to us

  5. Anteaus

    This one did work, though..

    ..and probably a good deal less dangerous, although you don't want to go exposing yourself to fast neutrons, whatever the source.

    The guy experimenting on the cooker simply beggars belief. Clearly he hadn't read-up on lab procedures, one of the key concerns being that ingestion of low-level sources is far more dangerous to health than merely handling them.

    1. Alan Dougherty

      Ahh.. I don't know where to start with that video.. or how to tell you that you have been trolled.. and trolled hard.. or are infact, trying too hard to troll yourself..

      Basement [b]fusion[/b].. Really? It took the worlds greatest minds decades to get uncontrolled fission possible, and you think a teenager, with some vacuum pumps, some HVAC control switches, and a good patter = fission? Really?

      Can we get a facepalm icon? Oh.. here it is...

      1. mr.K

        As I understood it, I have no problem with that video being real. If understood it correctly it is a fusor. It is not a nuclear reactor as in a power producing device, but it does make fusion happen. It isn't anywhere near able to create net energy.

        Of course I do not know if that video is real or not, but fusors can be made by "ordinary" people in their basement.

      2. Alan Dougherty

        Pickard would be proud...

        The second to last word of the second paragragh, should, obviously, have been fusion, and not fission.

        And on a second watch.. is he really waving test-tubes about, as evidence?.. Lordy.. he's put that much evort in to the video, he should have went for a Zero-Point 'rig' and solved our energy problems before breakfast.

        Another facepalm is needed....

      3. Anteaus

        @Alan Dougherty

        Farnsworth fusors are used in industry as low-intensity neutron sources, and have been for decades. There is no doubt whatsoever that this kind of fusor works. What's more, it typically uses inexpensive deuterium gas, not costly tritium. Present designs are limited to low intensity applications, and thus are not fusion-power candidates. But, variants on the design might be viable power reactors. Surprisingly, very little reasearch has been done in that area.

        Confucius say, He who fail to check facts, make big fool of himself using word troll.

  6. Jason Togneri

    @ Jesus Puncher

    "It's a shame the ingredients bill ran so high, otherwise he could have purchased some Mr Muscle® Oven Cleaner..."

    You did realise that they already use household detergent to clean out disused nuclear reactors? True story:

    1. Miek

      Can't wait to see the advert on TV.

      "Staff at Sellafield in Cumbria were among those monitoring the use of Cillit Bang in Dounreay's experimental chemical plant.

      One of the clean-up team suggested trying the product after the fluid normally used was deemed to be slowing down the operation.

      The cleaner was found to markedly reduce levels of radioactive contamination."

      Is that kills 99.9% or all radiation ?

  7. Anonymous John
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    One for the SPB?

    After LOHAN flies, a mini-Orion is the logical next step.

    1. hamcheeseandonion
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      Re: One for the SPB?

      Mini-Orion? Gimme, gimme,gimme,gimme,gimme.

      ....on one must be capable of launching next door's chihuahua into LEO...failing that, into a restuarant in Pyongyang.

      Glow in the dark pooch, without the genetic messing about...sorted.

      Orion....grow a set, just build the bugger will you?...someone??..anyone???

  8. Anonymous Coward

    I thought upon hearing this on the radio that the guy had built a fusor and the radiation had reached levels detectable from a distance.

    Although at that sort of intensity the guy would no longer have a functioning digestive system, being arrested would be a minor inconvenience by comparison.

    Interesting to note that in the impossibly unlikely event that someone figures out how to make a fusor self sustaining, then this could be a major headache for proliferation as neutrons can be used to convert LEU to HEU, suitable for a physics package.

    Mushroom cloud for obvious reasons.

    Had an argument with someone a while back about the legality of a nuclear coffee table, seems that even a nonfunctioning but authentic looking device will get you a visit from the MiB's

    AC #include "BOOM_goes_the_kitchen.h"

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      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        It would reside for longer within him, thereby affecting internals more.

    2. Anonymous Coward

      Funny you should mention fusion

      .. and you didn't even laugh.

      I usually laugh at the stupid tens of billions wasted on the so called 'fusion research' because it has been obvious for at least a decade that :

      a) they don't want to achieve anything remotely practical, and

      b) if they did, tritium is even more expensive to make than enriched uranium

      c) there are at least 2 other routes that have shown a lot more success on 1/1000th the research budget or far less.

      d) if I didn't laugh, I'd have to cry.

      By far the most promising, practical and inexpensive fusion device/method is called 'focus fusion' (AFAIK). It is also the least funded. Actually it is not funded in the conventional sense but is being run as an Open Source project ... on donations.

      Did I mention the goal is to build a 20MW device that would fit in a 2 car garage and cost less than $500,000 USD? Also since it would use direct conversion, there is no 18th century steam turbine and it would be around 90% efficient. Also the fuel is boron+hydrogen, that means ZERO NEUTRONS, no bombs, no radiation, no monopolies, no huge corporate pigs.

      Have a look, it is based on solid mundane science:

      1. The last doughnut

        Boron + hydrogen?

        Has nobody considered the carbon emissions?

        1. C 2

          Boron + hydrogen? -- Carbon12 then to He4 x3

          Technically, the p-B11 reaction is a fusion-fission reaction. The proton and boron-11 fuse to temporarily create an unstable isotope of carbon-12, which then fissions to create three helium-4s. However, the same can be said about the deuterium-tritium reaction, which fuses to produce an unstable helium-5 and then fissions into a helium-4 and a neutron. Like wise with deuterium-helium-3, or practically any fusion reaction. There are a few pure fusion reactions. For example, when two deuteriums fuse they will usually either produce a Tritium and a proton, or a helium-3 and a neutron, but there is a very small chance that they will stick together to form a helium-4 with the excess energy carried off by a gamma ray. This would be a fusion reaction with no subsequent fission. But this reaction happens purely by chance. There is no way to make this particular outcome happen more often. It’s just part of the random nature of quantum mechanics that decides which outcome occurs. There is no fuel combination that produces only these kind of pure fusion reactions.

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    3. John Smith 19 Gold badge

      AC@ 00:43

      "Had an argument with someone a while back about the legality of a nuclear coffee table, seems that even a non functioning but authentic looking device will get you a visit from the MiB'"

      There is usually quite a difference between "authentic looking " and "non functioning "

      "authentic looking " could be viewed as a piece of creative art.

      I'd be *very* surprised if you could get a "non functioning " physics package anywhere.

      But either way some people might find it a tad provocative.

  9. Adrian Esdaile

    I might have missed something, but...

    ...since when has buying a Geiger counter a sign of TUUUURSM?

    "He also acquired a Geiger counter from the US."

    Mind you, I've been trying to find a geiger counter (for legitimate architectural purposes, I'll have you know - trolling local 'nuclear free zone' councils with smoke detectors and antique glassware) and they are either hilariously expensive or unobtainium. Seems like they are on the TUUUURSM watchlist.

    1. Anonymous Coward

      Not looked very hard then

      There are dozens of places selling Geiger counters, hell, you can even build them yourself from one of the myriad kits out there on hobbyist websites.

    2. Combat Wombat

      Everything you need can be found here

      The one stop shop for all your mad science needs !

  10. Jason Togneri

    @ Adrian Esdaile / Geiger counters

    Funny you should say that, because I have several old British military ones (there's something unbearably cute about the phrase "Ratemeter Scintillation Portable", ahh the military and their own peculiar jargon). You find them in old house clearances where people have kept them since the '60s and suchlike. Looking for one in an antiques shop is just asking for daylight robbery, however.

    One note, however: I brought my dosemeters from the UK to another EU country just earlier this year, in main luggage. There's certainly nothing dangerous or illegal about them - they *measure* radiation, but they don't *contain* any, as a surprising number of people seem to think.

    Hmm, my nice old RSP 1413A is a very pretty wooden one stamped with the markings of "Isotope Developments Ltd, Aldershot, England" - the home of the UK's wartime nuclear research facilities. I wonder it it'll be worth a bob or two to a collector...

  11. Jo 5
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    Something smells good!

    Still looks more appetising and is probably more palatable than the Mrs' cooking!

  12. Jacqui

    I read this as tourism then realised terrorist and tourist are considered exchangable terms - in the US! :-)

  13. AceRimmer1980
    IT Angle

    First there was kitchen gun, and toilet grenade

    coming soon, Oven Nuke

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    His Blogg

    This is the url for his blogg about his work (written in english)

    Note that he is a Mensa member and so on, its not some dingbat kid :)

    1. John Gamble

      Mensa and Dingbats

      The two are not mutually exclusive,.

  15. andre 2

    Geiger counters

    I discovered a while back that you can homebrew a relatively good alpha detector using:-

    1 piece of pyrolytic graphite (Greedbay, £15)

    1 cheap monochrome CMOS camera

    A screwdriver

    A replacement crystal, I used a 4.43 MHz one robbed from a defunct TV

    A tube of slow epoxy

    A paif of gloves

    1200 grit sandpaper

    Silica gel granules

    Black CD marker

    All you do is thin down the PG (you can use the other bits for levitators, etc)

    Once a good thin piece is obtained, sand it down to as thin as you can make it with 1200 grit.

    Clean up with your favourite solvent to get rid of any carbon dust.

    Dismantle your cheap CMOS camera (I used an old B&Q one) and then CAREFULLY remove the lid to expose the bare sensor with attached fine wires.

    Epoxy around the edge so the wires are covered but not the sensor.

    I found that positioning the sensor at a 20 degree angle for each section helped here.

    I also advise putting a single small blob of silica gel on the edge with no contacts with an air path to the sensor as otherwise water vapour will ruin it in short order.

    Allow to dry, then retest camera. If all well prepare another tiny drop of Epoxy.

    If you wish you can also add a strip of Xray scintillator film onto the bottom edge of the chip with the light emitting side facing downwards.

    Epoxy your PG sheet down and then dry the whole assembly out at 50 degrees for two hours.

    Test camera, as you will need to determine where any light leaks are.

    Then paint the Epoxy with Tippex, dry out and retest.

    Overcoat with CD marker and then paint the back and edges of the board as well leaving a gap around the crystal.

    I also tend to disable the automatic iris pin if present with a 1K resistor to Gnd.

    If all is well, replace the 13.5 MHz crystal (or 16 MHz) with your 4.43 MHz one.

    Test camera, you should not have stable video BUT it will work fine on a 'scope.

    The alpha sensitivity should be approximately 2.8* efficiency with 13.5MHz (!)

    Particles show up as vertical spikes on your scope display.

    This is also theorised to work on linear CCDs from old printers!

    #include "donate_to_4HV.h"

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« on: April 01, 2019, 10:17:26 AM »
Interesting video floated my way about issues (primarily with brass) on the 6.5

Seems the headspace is off on some and there is inconsistent quality (like annealed vs not) in different loads.

Seems there are 2 cults on the internet: Either the 6.5 is the second coming or it's a hunk of junk. I can say mine has no problem tossing Federal Gold Medal 140 grain Sierra Matchking down range. In fact I am the weak point in that setup.

There's a lot of competition in this size group with the 6.5, 7mm-08, .260, and .243 standing out. I have a few different loads in 6.5 and my caliper says they're all the same. But there could be a bad batch out there. Curious if anyone has found this.

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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2019, 03:48:25 PM »
  I once thought I had bad ammo for a 7-08. I was wrong, it was the throat on the gun being to long. My 260 will shoot four different bullet weights into under an inch. My sons 6.5 Swedish Mouser also shoots well.


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Fragglepuss Anime Review 74: Nanana’s Buried Treasure / Ryuugajou Nanana no Maizoukin

Nanana’s Buried Treasure / Ryuugajou Nanana no Maizoukin

Review By: John Fragglepuss Evans and Breanne Evans

Genre: Comedy, Romance, Supernatural, Mystery, Treasure Hunt

First Aired: Spring 2014, 11 episodes

Summary: Nanana Ryugajo and her group of genius students, known as the GREAT 7, launched a project to construct an artificial island called Nanae Island. 12 years later, there is a total population of 100,000 people on the island with the majority of inhabitants being students. Nanae Island has successfully become prosperous as a special student zone. One of the island’s newest residents is Jugo Yama, a seemingly normal high school student who had just transferred to the island after being disowned by his father. Upon entering his new apartment, Jugo finds it is inhabited by the spirit of Nanana Ryugajo, who was murdered 10 years ago. The only way to releash Nanana’s spirit is to solve the mystery of her untimely death.

Nanana’s Buried Treasure is reminiscent of a giant treasure hunt. Jugo joins a group that has been attempting to solve the mystery of Nanana’s murder. There are clues all over the island, and it is up to Jugo to find the clues, bringing him closer to the truth. The mystery of it all is fun and leaves you intrigued throughout the series. As a side note, since Nanana is a spirit, she does not sleep, so she spends her waking hours playing video games and eating pudding, because what else would you do if you were a restless spirit?

You might enjoy this if: You are ready for a light-hearted mystery/adventure with several enjoyable characters.

You might not like it if: You want a fast-paced anime. There are times that it seemed to drag.

Note to the Viewer: Pay attention to all the different types of pudding that Nanana enjoys, she’s quite the pudding connoisseur.

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Things I'm Doing in 2020 to Better Myself

I'm a sucker for self-improvement / personal development. It sounds corny and cringy. Myself from 10 years back would have never imagined that I'd turn out this way, but I have and what am I doing in 2020 to be a better version of myself?

  1. Learning Chinese. The only material I had purchased before to learn Chinese was an Audible audio book from Pimsleur back in 2018 - which by the way is fantastic. Today I've committed to a yearly subscription that costs $205 AUD for the app - HelloChinese, as recommended by a High School friend.
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  3. Writing everyday. So far, after switching to Ghost from WordPress, I've written enough posts to average out to one per day or more in 2020 - it's only the 4th of January today though so I'll need to really keep it up to be able to do this. Oh, thanks to my friend Duncan for giving me this tip. He's written about this very topic in depth. looks like a pretty good tracker for things like this. I've used similar apps in the past called HabitLoop and a bunch of others but I didn't really keep using them.

Google Calendar has been fantastic in helping me keep a record of my exercises and so on - so I may end up just using Google Calendar instead of having to keep 2 apps going or having to migrate stuff over from Google Calendar to - but I'd like to try it out at the very least.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007

Debunking reasons not to open source indie freeware games

There are many significant indie game projects that are committed to creating a quality free game where the developers are afraid of the consequences of making the development public by publishing the project under an open source license.

Now I'm not saying that open source is the only way people should choose to release their indie games - different situations do need to be evaluated on the merit of the benefits brought by being open source - but frequently, when asked, the reasons for declining to open source a project are usually bogus.

One of the problems is that the topic of open source is a polarized subject - people are either strongly against it or strongly for it. Those falling into the latter category are almost always experienced with using and/or developing open source software, and in my experience those against open sourcing of their projects often do not fully understand the concept, do not appreciate the benefits it brings, and suffer irrational fears of what might befall their project should they license it as Free Software.

Over the years I've tried to change the minds of several game project developers, usually met with stubborn resistance. Hopefully this article can help projects earlier on in their development cycle before people have committed themselves to keeping their free game project as a closed source one.

Frequently cited reasons for keeping a game project closed source:

  • People will cheat

  • The code is a mess

  • Control of the project will be lost

  • Somebody will steal my/our game

  • The game will be spoilt (i.e. we don't want to reveal the story)

People will cheat

True, there will always be those who try to cheat at any popular game. However do you think security through obscurity will prevent this? If anything, it is worse; the project may be less secure because the design and implementation are not under scrutiny. You are better to open it up early so people can point out the flaws and they can be addressed early - to change a design or implementation in a mature project is far more difficult and the subsequent upheaval will upset many players.

The code is a mess

I've seen this one countless times: "I want to open source my project but the code is a mess, so I'll wait until I clean up the code."

I've also seen this one many times: "My [piece of hardware] died and I lost everything :'(."

And this one:

That last one was silence. People often get distracted by real life and disappear. An exciting looking set of screenshots become vapourware and onlookers get frustrated.

Nobody writes perfect code or the perfect design the first time, even seasoned pros. Nobody cares if you have hacks or the code is a mess. They do care if you release a fun game. Guess what, if your project is open source and attracting interest, somebody may even rewrite parts of it for you. If you suffer a hardware failure or find something else that takes you away from your project or the Internet, or you even die (it happens!) then you have left a legacy that others may continue.

Control of the project will be lost

Ok, if you are an asshole this is probably a valid point. Abrasive people will upset others, beyond the point of redemption. So all you obnoxious and inconsiderate baffoons have me here, I can't debunk this for you. In which case loss of control of a project may be an indication that you should correct your ways? A blessing in disguise! However, for decent people ;-) it is a myth...

Control of the project remains in the hands of the contributors. Sure, if you stop and people continue your work you may lose control but then you are no longer working on it? If you get re-involved in the project you will find developers receptive. Otherwise you keep as much control over your game as you allow others to have (you don't have to let everybody have commit access or admin rights) and almost always contributors are very, very respectful of the original author.

As long as you work on your project, you will have significant influence. Exchanging direct control for influence is almost always going to be a healthy trade off. You will find more developers means better design decisions, better implementations. Although implicitly you lose complete control, you will still be directing the efforts of others. After all, the original game was your vision so people will listen by virtue of that alone.

If there is a rift so deep between contributors that a fork is created, the fork will be a different game, and you will be remembered for giving birth to the concept of this different game should your own project subsequently stagnate. In reality there are few forks, especially of open source games. Other than situations where development of the original game has all but completely stopped before the fork, or the fork has the blessing of the original author, I can't think of any bitter forks off the top of my head. TuxKart and SuperTuxKart maybe? When was the last TuxKart release? Are the games as similar as the names? :-)

Somebody will steal my/our game

People can't get away with stealing a project. I've seen a few cases with applications and usually the community backlash and lobbying shuts down the violators. I just can't see a commercial game company getting away with ripping an open source game. Not only will it be an open-shut legal case should it go that far, you'll have a large pool of support from a vast community of open source advocates. To be honest, I bet there'd be lawyers who'd even take on the case pro bono for you.

If it's not a commercial violation, then it'll be a fork of the game. Developing an open source game is not easy. It's a long hard slug. Forks only occur in extreme circumstances:

  1. There is an impasse between key contributors in desires for project direction. The games will be different. You still were the original author(s) and still will be credited for your work as long as you were not a total asshole.

  2. Your project stagnated. Isn't a fork and continuation of your work better than it bitrotting and decaying into a part of Internet history?

Ok, some of your artwork and media may make it into other open source games, but isn't that a compliment? Are you not pleased that your efforts have made the world a more fun place by contributing to another game? Hell, you can put it on your CV, that your work is in projects X and Y because it is that good.

The game will be spoilt (i.e. we don't want to reveal the story)

For a complete game, the majority of players will not go to the kind of lengths necessary to have the game spoilt for them (i.e. look at the code or research the story).

Some people will play the game early in development but they form the community that tests and contributes to the game. Somebody has to know things early, and the fewer that do, the fewer can make the project happen. The more people contribute to your game, the better it will be. Sure, a few people will not get the opportunity to enjoy a fresh experience with the final game, but they got to experience it develop, which is a different kind of enjoyment. And the rest of the world will get a better game because of the extra input.

Also people do not have immutable memory. If I play a game again after years of not playing it, I do not remember everything. It is ridiculous to be worried that people who try the game in it's early stages will have their experience ruined should they return later once the game is ready.

There are freeware game projects where there is significant momentum and organization behind them. The benefits of making such projects open source are often not immediately that significant. However frequently these projects lose that momentum, a community that has existed on propaganda and screenshots gets frustrated and in the end the project actually upsets more people than it brings enjoyment to - you had the opposite effect! Games are supposed to please people!

If the project is open, the community can rally should problems be encountered, and the chances of your game making it become far higher than if nobody has access to your work.

If momentum is never lost, the extra contributions, the extra eyes and testing to remove bugs, the extra demand for porting to other operating systems will all benefit your project. There may be administrative hassle (forums etc) but almost always for decent projects volunteers will take that on for you. The community is a resource and open source projects can and should use their communities. Freeware titles just can not do that.

Make the smart decision, open source your freeware game. There is a good reason that those experienced with open source strongly advocate it's application. It works. It's not a miracle cure for a dying project though, so don't wait until you have already lost your way, strike whilst the iron is hot. It is never too early to open source your freeware game project!

Anonymous said...

WOW, great article. Thank you!

Concerning "bitter forks", here's two of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Mage#History

Anonymous said...

Forgot the other fork of Sorcerer:

Anonymous said...

Please talk to this guy

Anonymous said...

How true, how true.

Charlie said...

rabyte: I was talking only about open source game forks...

Charlie said...

Mod this up in the /. firehose!

Anonymous said...

charlie: Yep, apparently I forgot for a second that this blog is about games only. Software is software to me, no distinction between production and entertainment :-)

Anonymous said...

The reasoning in the AdventureGameStudio.co.uk FAQ seems especially sad. I wonder what we could do to convince him the safety of the GPL - or maybe he is only pretending this is the reason:

Q. But the GPL will protect you... go on, can I have the source?

A. No it won't. In theory it does, but what happens when someone goes and breaches it? I don't have the time or energy to waste chasing up lamers who have blatantly ignored the license agreement. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

Maybe I'm wrong I haven't really done a lot of research into this subject but it seems that the only people who won't release their code under an open source license where it makes sense are old programmers that just don't get this open source thing.

ARGs Creator - Old Guy
Hardwar - Old Guy
Cyberstrike 2 - Old Guy

Anonymous said...

Regarding Gate88 (

I asked Queasy years ago to make Gate88 free software. I have to say that I was not really polite back then (I more requested then asked).

(Result: http://queasygames.5.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=440 )

What I learned is that you can only *politely ask* for making someones work free softare. This is because games are kind of art (not a functional thing like a word processor).

I do see however that Queasy lost interest in Gate88 and I see that as a loss, but if the author does not want to make the game free software we have to accept this will.

Anonymous said...

While I totally support the GPL, I've got to say that the AGS guy has a point. More than once people simply have ignored the license terms (Darsana, anyone?), and usually the only way to force compliance is by hiring some expensive lawyer. People that breach the GPL usually are Windows users that can't even spell the word correctly. Give it a try, look at some Windows-only freeware games and try to locate the license in the games's packages. Normally you're lucky if you're able to find anything license related in them at all. Licenses simply are of little interest to most Windows users.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 11:30:
If they breach the GPL, you can send DMCA takedown notices. You can also file suit. If you don't want to deal with that, you can contact the Free Software Foundation, who do quite a bit of leaning on GPL violators around the interwebs, and have lawyers at their disposal.
Hell, the DMCA notice doesn't usually require much more than sending an email to their site's host. (Which is kinda sad, but hey.)

Kiba said...

*hint* pro bono lawyers!

Like the lawyers at software freedom law center.

FSF spent effort in getting people to complie, and it is very easy for them. They never even have to sue.

Copyright violation of GPL is very rare.

Anonymous said...

I was thinking about this last night and remembered GPL-Violations.org which says The gpl-violations.org project tries to raise public awareness about past and present infringing use(r)s of GPL licensed software.

hmm, nothing about future violations though ;)

There's also the The Software Freedom Law Center which provides legal representation and other law related services to protect and advance Free and Open Source Software. - though I'm sure it couldn't be free as zero cost.

Anonymous said...

This article comes off as being very snobbish/elitist IMO.

Anonymous said...

This article comes off as being very snobbish/elitist IMO.

I'll second that. This would definitely not convince me to open my code or my content. It wouldn't even open the door for discussion, sorry.

When attempting to convince people to open their code or content it's usually not a good idea to insinuate that their project will die if they don't, because chances are it won't die.

Anonymous said...

There's an issue that you have totally left out....

"I want to make money on my game"

Which is to say, that many indie developers are trying to make sales of their game through their website. Some do survive on advertising revenue, but most of them stick to the traditional model of selling software. The GPL is not completely incompatible with this traditional business model but it does make it difficult to sell software when other people are giving the same game away for free.

The most logical direction for games is to include some online content (and then keep the server details as a trade secret). However, distribution of the GPL client makes the protecting the server secret a bit more difficult.

You can also try releasing only one level at a time and halting work until some reasonable bounty has been paid by fans (but the fans my just build the extra level for themselves).

Joshua Maines AKA FJGamer said...

I don't really care to open source my Flash projects, because any smart person can decompile my actionscript, anyway. In a sense, my projects are forced to be open source.

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