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Summary:  This news story might be important. Or fake. Either way, it illustrates hidden dynamics in the Middle East and provides a useful lesson — how the Internet can help us sift through the morass of information to find the useful gems of information.

“When I was sixteen, I went to work for a newspaper in Hong Kong. It was a rag, but the editor taught me one important lesson. The key to a great story is not who, or what, or when, but why.”
— Elliot Carver, in Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)

  1. Setting the stage
  2. The timeline of stories
  3. Tentative conclusions
  4. Updates to the story (also posted in comments)
  5. Tips for reading the news for information
  6. For more information

See the updates to this mystery in the comments!

(1)  Setting the stage

(a)  Useful backgrounder on Prince Bandar: “The Prince and the Revolution“, Simon Henderson (Washington Institute for Near East Policy), Foreign Policy, 24 July 2012 — “Saudi Arabia is bringing back its most talented operator to manage the Arab Spring. But can Bandar stem the rot in Riyadh?” Note Bandar’s biographer is William Simpson, not “Sampson”.

(b)  What might have been a key overlooked note: “Saudi Prince Bandar: a flamboyant, hawkish spy chief“, Reuters, 20 July 2012:

“He’s just the right person for the right time in Saudi. They have a more hawkish foreign policy and he’s the leading hawk of the House of Saud,” said David Ottaway, Bandar’s biographer and a senior scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington. The United States’ closest Arab ally is a firm supporter of the Syrian rebels now battling in Damascus to oust President Bashar al-Assad and is mending fences with Washington after a disagreement over last year’s Arab uprisings.

“Bandar is quite aggressive, not at all like a typical cautious Saudi diplomat. If the aim is to bring Bashar down quick and fast, he will have a free hand to do what he thinks necessary. He likes to receive an order and implement it as he sees fit,” said Jamal Khashoggi, an influential Saudi commentator.

(c)  Blast rocks Saudi Arabia intelligence headquarters“, Kurdpress News, 22 July 2012 — Iranian news media also reported this (Press TV, Fars News).

“Riyadh- Reports from Saudi Arabia said that a Sunday explosion rattled the country’s intelligence headquarters in Riyadh.Reporting from Saudi Arabia, the Yemeni al-Fajr news website said the deputy head of the Saudi’s intelligence service has been killed in the blast.The website side Mashaal al-Qarni, deputy of Bandar bin Sultan, the head of the secret service, has been killed in the blast.

(2)  The timeline of stories

None of these are reliable sources, except the Times of Israel (their story is straight reporting).  But they tell interesting stories, and sometimes they’re right.

(a) Syria reportedly eliminated Bandar bin Sultan in retaliation for Damascus bombing“, Voltaire Network, 29 July 2012 —

“The Assassination” by Sams Life, deviantART

Prince Bandar had just been appointed head of Saudi intelligence on July 24: a promotion which was interpreted as a reward for having organized the attack in Damascus on July 18. The Saudi services, with logistical support from the CIA, had managed to blow up the headquarters of the Syrian National Security during a Crisis Cell meeting: Generals Assef Chaoukat, Daoud Rajha and Hassan Tourkmani were killed instantly. General Amin Hicham Ikhtiar died soon after from his wounds. This operation, called “Damascus Volcano” was the signal for the attack on the capital by a swarm of mercenaries, mainly coming from Jordan.

Prince Bandar was himself the target of a bomb attack on July 26, and subsequently succumbed to his injuries. … His death constitutes a serious blow to the whole system of Western covert action in the Muslim world. It took Syria only one week to mount this spectacular reprisal operation.

(b) Riyad neither confirms nor denies Prince Bandar’s death“, Voltaire Network (see Wikipedia for details & history), 30 July 2012

(c)  Israeli websites report the story, providing more information: “Pro-Assad websites claim Syria has killed Saudi intelligence chief, to avenge Damascus bombing“, Times of Israel, 30 July 2012:

In a new indication of the escalating hostility between the regime of Syria’s President Bashar Assad and Saudi Arabia, pro-Assad Syrian websites claimed that Syria has assassinated Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia’s flamboyant former ambassador to the United States, who was appointed to head his country’s intelligence services earlier this month. The reports, which cited unofficial sources and for which there was no confirmation, claimed that Bandar was killed because it was he, with American support, who organized the July 18 bombing in central Damascus that killed several of Assad’s most senior ministers and aides.

One analyst said privately that, whatever the truth of the claim, it underlined the profound hostility between Assad’s regime and the Saudis.

The Syrian reports, quickly picked up elsewhere Monday, including on Israel’s Mako Hebrew news site, asserted that Bandar orchestrated the Damascus bombing with logistical support from the CIA.

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(d) Saudi silence on intelligence chief Bandar’s fate denotes panic“, Debkafile, 31 July 2012 — Opening:

Washington, Jerusalem and a row of Middle East capitals is gaining ground the longer the Saudi government stays silent on the reports of the assassination of the newly-appointed Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan, purportedly in a revenge operation by a Syrian intelligence death squad. If true, it would shoot a devastating tentacle out from the Syrian conflict to the broader region. It is widely feared that Saudi rulers are too traumatized to respond by the fear of Iranian penetration of the highest and most closely guarded circles of Saudi government, possibly climaxing in Bandar’s assassination.

The unconfirmed reports of his death attribute its motive to revenge by Iran and Syria for the bomb explosion five days earlier in Damascus which killed four of Bashar Assad’s top managers of his war on the uprising against his regime. The prince, son of the late crown prince Sultan, has not been seen in public since Saudi General Intelligence headquarters in Riyadh was hit by a bomb blast Monday, July 23 killing his deputy, Mashaal al-Qarni.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly 550 of Friday, July 26, was the first world publication to report this attack, in the face of a massive official blackout, from its exclusive intelligence sources. Now as then, debkafile’s sources have obtained no confirmation that Prince Bandar was injured or killed in that attack.

But our sources doubt whether a Syrian intelligence squad would be capable of reaching deep inside Riyadh. They therefore postulate that the deed was committed or orchestrated by a clandestine Iranian agency. It wouldn’t be the first time.

Here is the opening of the gated Debkafile Weekly 550 of July 27 (as shown on their website, not July 26): “Tehran Strikes at Heart of Saudi Intel to Avenge Damascus Assassinations“: “Tehran accuses the new Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan of engineering bombing attack which killed half of Assads top team in Damascus. It sought to drive home the message that enemies of Assad are enemies of Iran and will be punished.” This doesn’t look like mention of the hit on Bandar. Nor did Debkafile have any follow-up stories, as would be normal for such an important event.

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(e)  Perhaps an indirect Saudi reply: “Crown Prince Salman commends Kingdom’s judicious leadership“,  Saudi Gazette, 1 August 2012 –Prince Bandar was at a party Monday night. The article has a photo of some Princely guests, but it doesn’t include Bandar.

(3)  Tentative conclusions

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We cannot yet evaluate the validity of this story.  If true, it’s big — both in itself and as an indication of the magnitude of events sweeping through the Middle East. But smoke suggests fire. Probably something is happening in the Middle East, powerful dynamics yet unseen by the American public

In fact, we probably don’t accurately understand much of what’s happening. The players, their goals, their relative strength, what our own government is doing in our name. Probably everybody lies to us, because they see we prefer lies. Facts disturb the comfortable coma into which we’ve fallen.

(4)  Updates to the story (these will also be posted in comments)

Where is Prince Bandar?“, Pepe Escobar, Asia Times, 2 August 2012 — Excerpt:

Was Prince Bandar “Bush”, 63, son of Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz (perennial Saudi Defense Minister,1963-2001), semi-perennial ambassador to Washington (1983-2005), and secretive jihad financier, killed by a Syrian intelligence death squad?  Thunderous silence prevails on Syrian, Iranian and Arab media (most of it controlled by the Saudis). The same applies for al-Jazeera. This is DEBKA’s somewhat fanciful take.

Dates are crucial. Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz Al Saud may have pulled off operation “Damascus Volcano” on July 18. He was definitely promoted to head of Saudi intelligence on July 19. And he might have been killed in a bomb attack on the Saudi General Intelligence HQ in Riyadh on July 22.

… So what happened in Riyadh? A graphic Tehran message to the House of Saud? A rogue suicide bomber? An internal Saudi war? The House of Saud is not talking. And Bandar is not moving.

Eventually we learned the truth: this was yet another fake story disseminated by the rumormongers of Debkafile and others.

(5)  Tips for reading the news for information

As previous posts in this series have shown, few news stories include the key pieces of the new puzzle, and many accurately describe the facts. In this case, we can see the evolution of the story — from the Syrian websites through Voltaire Network, to the Iranian and Israeli news — and only then to us in America. But most reporters only follow the chain back one or two links.  That’s bad, since facts get tweaked each time the story gets passed on.

Google News is your best friend.  To sort through the many stories, narrow your search — then hit the Sort by Date button. Start with the earliest story, then move forward in time.

Focus on the reliable news agencies.  IMO those are Reuters, BBC, Der Spiegel, AFP (France). If there’s nothing better, use the US sources — the wire agencies (AP, McClatchy) and the major newspapers.

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(6)  For more information

For all posts about this see the FM Reference Page about Information & disinformation, the new media & the old.

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    1. Fabius Maximus Post author

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  2. epagbreton

    “Probably everybody lies to us, because they see we prefer lies. Facts disturb the comfortable coma into which we’ve fallen.”

    And they are liars, first and foremostly.
    Very important distinction and note.

    Thx for tip on GOOGLE NEWS

  3. Drake West

    Isn’t this the same Prince Bandar who starred in the Micheal Moore file “Fahrenheit 9/11” The buddy of the Bush family and heavy investor in the Carlyle Group? That would be a huge blow for the US mission of abstinence in this Syrian matter.

    1. Fabius Maximus Post author

      Speaking of Fahrenheit 9/11, here’s an entertaining review: “Unfairenheit 9/11 – The lies of Michael Moore“, By Christopher Hitchens, Slate, 21 June 2004 — Excerpt:

      To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of “dissenting” bravery.

    2. tiradefaction (@tiradefaction)

      Wasn’t ol’ Chrissy Hitchens a pretty big Bush supporter during his reign of stupidity? I recall him defending Dubya quite often, given his sudden conversion to neoconservativsm (strictly in regards to foreign policy at least). Would make sense he didn’t like Fahrenheit 9/11 (not to say therefore that movie was good, but I don’t think Christopher Hitchens is (or rather was) the best source on this issue) Just my 0.02

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  5. Pluto

    I had wondered what had prompted the Obama administration to hit Iran with greater sanctions without the usual build-up. This possible assassination might be the cause. The second article notes that the sudden US action caused a reaction outside of the middle east.

    As has been previously noted, panic on all sorts of fronts would result if somebody managed to kill the Saudi intelligence leader.

  6. Matt D.

    Fascinating! I hadn’t even heard about this. If it turns out to be true and went unreported, it would be an instructive demonstration of the selective filtering of news information through the global press.

  7. Pepe Escobar @ Asia Times asks "Where is Prince Bandar?" Post author

    Where is Prince Bandar?“, Pepe Escobar, Asia Times, 2 August 2012 — Excerpt:

    Was Prince Bandar “Bush”, 63, son of Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz (perennial Saudi Defense Minister,1963-2001), semi-perennial ambassador to Washington (1983-2005), and secretive jihad financier, killed by a Syrian intelligence death squad? Thunderous silence prevails on Syrian, Iranian and Arab media (most of it controlled by the Saudis). The same applies for al-Jazeera. This is DEBKA’s somewhat fanciful take.

    Dates are crucial. Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz Al Saud may have pulled off operation “Damascus Volcano” on July 18. He was definitely promoted to head of Saudi intelligence on July 19. And he might have been killed in a bomb attack on the Saudi General Intelligence HQ in Riyadh on July 22.

    … So what happened in Riyadh? A graphic Tehran message to the House of Saud? A rogue suicide bomber? An internal Saudi war? The House of Saud is not talking. And Bandar is not moving.

    1. epagbreton

      The House of Saud is not talking. And Bandar is not moving.”

      I am afraid that probably says a lot.
      Where is Bandar?
      He is not a shy man.

  8. Unna

    For me, the most interesting thing is that it happened at all. The usual image that the Saudi regime cultivates is that it is an absolute security state with no possible threat ever to its survival. If Bandar is dead, it was not by a drive by shooting, bomb under the car sort of thing. It was by a bomb that exploded inside the country’s intelligence HQ. Imagine assignating the head of the CIA by placing a device inside CIA HQ. Who would be able to do such a thing? To me this suggests inter Saudi fighting of the most serious kind.

    Of course this is all speculation, but I’m very skeptical that Syria or Iran could arrange such a thing in only a few days as “revenge”. Besides that makes little sense. Killing the head of intelligence of an opposing state doesn’t make the state policy go away, it may only infuriate people to pursue the policy with more vigor. The bombing in Syria was done to destabilize a regime that’s in the midst of an insurgency and was followed up with an attack by mercenaries (freedom fighters, pardon). That would be logical. A revenge bombing is not only illogical, but it infuriates people, and exposes your inside contacts-operatives.

    Now for the dog that didn’t bark. Where’s the outrage? If it were Iran or Syria one would think that the entire “free” world would be in high propaganda melt down mode. But they’re not. Only hints that it was a “revenge killing”. Then silence. For me, this suggests it was an insider Saudi killing and that there may be a seriously determined and high placed internal opposition to the current Saudi Syria policy and perhaps to the pro Western orientation of the regime itself.

    Of course, no one knows anything for sure but the close to impossible nature of the bombing and the silence afterward is very curious.

    1. Matt D.

      I doubt outrage would have worked in this case, given public US gloating over the hit on Bashar’s security chief. If the rumors are true and it were to come out in public, it would only show embarrassing Saudi weakness without providing a convincing justification for any further escalation.

      Also, tit-for-tat is a very effective tactic in a wide range of strategic situations.

    2. Fabius Maximus Post author

      “the most interesting thing is that it happened at all”

      I see that you know this (from text later in your comment), but let’s emphasize that so far we have zero evidence that Bandar is dead, or that the attack on Saudi intelligence HW happened.

      We see some stories on Syrian websites, picked up by various English-language websites — then blasted across the Internet as fact by the usual loonies (as in the previous incidents documents in the For More Information section).

      Time will tell if this is correct. Either way, it offers some useful lessons for us.

    3. Unna

      Agreed, we don’t know what, if anything, happened. My point is that if something did happen, it seems a stretch that either Syria or Iran had anything to do with it. If something like this happened, it seems more likely that it was a faction within the intelligence organization. Really, how do you get inside HQ with a bomb if you’re not already an insider in cooperation with a number of other insiders. If it happened and it were Syria or Iran, they’d be screaming bloody murder, but they’re not. One possible reason they’re not – if it happened – is what it would say about the stability of the Saudi kingdom.

      Conclusion: If it happened, neither Syria nor Iran are likely involved, and it was most likely an internal Saudi matter, which is the very reason to keep silence. Or if the silence is because it didn’t happen, then where’s Bandar? You’d think they’d take his photo at some falconry picnic or some such thing and let the world see him alive. The fact that we know nothing definite under the circumstances, is, well, curious.

    4. Fabius Maximus Post author

      “it seems a stretch that either Syria or Iran had anything to do with it. … Really, how do you get inside HQ with a bomb if you’re not already an insider”

      As a foreign intelligence service, you get an insider to do it. Deep cover agents. Or use a local, incented by some combination of bribery, blackmail, playing up existing personal-religious-ethnic animosities. There are a hundred ways to play that game.

    5. Unna

      Not talking about what’s conceptually possible, but just what’s likely. Seems to me it’s one thing to use various incentives to buy classified information from an individual corrupt insider. But it’s another to get an insider to assassinate his own nation’s security chief. For that you have to be powerfully motivated apart from just some money. If Iran had an insider that close to the chief of security, I think it would rather keep him there for the information – unless you’re trying to destalilize the regime and actually think you have a good chance to do that.

      Example: Stauffenberg was an insider as well as a member of an internal anti regime faction planning a coup. The attempt on Hitler was an element of a planned coup. It wasn’t done for revenge or because of some emotional event that happened a few days earlier. Also once the smoke cleared, so to speak, the regime quickly announced the attempt and that it had failed and put Hitler on the radio to mumble a few words to prove he was alive.

      Of course, by the time I finish this comment, who knows, but that Bandar wth a falcon photo will be all over the internet rendering this discussion interesting, but moot…. We’ll just have to wait to see.

    6. Fabius Maximus Post author

      You might be right, as I don’t know the history of such things — let alone the relative incidence of different kinds of attacks. But I wonder if guessing gets us very far.

      What we do know is that the western tradition of the past few centuries has avoided high-level state-to-state assassination. But it’s been a commonplace over larger fields of time and geography. The Bush-Obama administrations have legitimized State-sponsored assassination — that’s one role of a hegemon, setting the rules — and so increased use of this tool should not surprise us, even if in ways we don’t enjoy.

    7. Unna

      That’s an very interesting thought, the role of the hegemon in setting the tone. Anyway, this a great site FM, and thanks for running it.

    8. mirz

      “Of course this is all speculation, but I’m very skeptical that Syria or Iran could arrange such a thing in only a few days as “revenge””

      Iran or syria has hidden agents in the saudi intelligence that can be quickly activated.

    9. mirz

      i think Iran has demonstrated its ability to quickly activate untraceable suicide bombers with the burgas bombing.

  9. Ryan Brooks

    “Lies disturb the comfortable coma in which we’ve fallen.”

    couldn’t have said it better. And it’s just so true that people really don’t want to hear the facts and when told the facts, brush it off as either nonsense or because of pure apathy on their part, or even, a lot of the time, misunderstanding and/or lack of knowledge.

  10. mirz

    possibly related assassinations

    ‘Qatar cmdr. assassinated in Turkey’“, Iran English Radio, 28 July 2012:

    A report says a top Qatari air force commander has been assassinated during a visit to the Turkish port city of Istanbul. Mehr news agency reported that colonel Abdullah Bin Muhammad Al Thani, the commander of Qatar’s air security, was targeted near a restaurant on Saturday. There have been no comments from Turkish or Qatari officials on the incident.

    Yemeni intelligence officer shot dead“, Al-Akhbar (Beirut-based news agency, founded 2006), 20 July 2012 — Excerpt:

    (AFP, Al-Akhbar) Gunmen shot dead a Yemeni intelligence officer in the south of the country in the latest attack on security agents, the defense ministry said on Friday. Ghazi Said Beidaha was killed when two “al-Qaeda terrorists” driving a motorbike shot him in the southern province of Bayda on Thursday night, the ministry said in a statement posted on its website.

    On Thursday the head of the police in the southern city of Aden, Colonel Abdullah al-Mawzai, was also killed when a bomb placed in his car exploded as he was heading to work, police said at the time. His killing was also blamed on al-Qaeda. …

    1. Fabius Maximus Post author

      Thanks for posting these!

      I think the first is potentially the more important, by far — the assassination of a Qatar air force officer (rank unknown) killed in Turkey — given the involvement of both nations in Syria, and Qatar’s involvement across the region. For example, Qatar was highly influential in the almost-concluded Libyan civil war. But all we have so far is a story from the Mehr News Agency, which Wikipedia says “is an Iranian news agency owned by the Islamic Ideology Dissemination Organization (IIDO).” It’s not news yet.

      The second is probably trivia, one day’s deaths in the on-going long civil war in Yemen. “Temeni intelligence officer” tells us little, and does not suggest a high offical.

  11. David Habakkuk

    Fabius Maximus,

    It seems sensible to repost here a comment I have just put up in response to observations of yours on Colonel Lang’s blog.

    I have been trying to think of possible explanations for the lack of any confirmation or denial of the reports of Bandar’s death from the Saudi authorities, although of course my ignorance of the country limits me.

    The recycling of the original Yemeni news agency report on the Iranian PressTV site on 22 July said simply that Bandar’s deputy was killed in an explosion at the Saudi intelligence HQ in Riyadh, when he was entering the building. Subject to correction, the first clearly identifiable suggestion that Bandar had been killed comes in the 29 July Voltaire Net story. The Times of Israel story the following day references this, as well as unidentified Syrian websites – it is not clear whether these, if indeed they existed, would simply have been picking up the Voltaire Net story.

    I do not see how one can absolutely rule out the possibility that, even if Bandar had not been injured at all, the Saudis would have seen reason not to deny the flurry of reports following the Voltaire Net story. It is also possible, of course, that he was injured, but not killed, and the Saudis did not want to say anything until his medical condition clarified.

    A somewhat more likely possibility, however, seems to me that Bandar is actually dead, and that the circumstances in which he died are such that the Saudi authorities are going round in circles trying to work out what ‘spin’ to put on his death.

    This might be the case if his death was the product of power struggles within Saudi Arabia. But it is certainly of interest – in a variety of ways – that the original Voltaire Net report features claims that Bandar used al Yamamah monies, on a large scale, in sponsoring jihadists. A Saudi prince who collaborates with infidels in exploiting Wahhabite fanatics both against other infidels and fellow Muslims deemed heretical is liable to acquire numerous enemies.

    But such a figure may also acquire some dubiously reliable associates. For one thing, it seems to me an open question whether Saudi jihadists who had fought in Afghanistan and Chechnya would necessarily have ended believing that an alliance between Wahhabite clerics and notoriously corrupt – and allegedly, in Bandar’s case, inebriated – royals was the best possible form of government.

    An article on the Voltaire Net by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya, entitled ‘The Syrian Intelligence War’ – and also other articles by the same author featured on the site, notably that on ‘The Sino-Russian Alliance’ – also make interesting reading. Like other contributors to Voltaire Net, Nazemroaya also appears on the Russian Strategic Culture Foundation site – although this latest article has not appeared there, yet at least.

    Among other things, the Strategic Culture Foundation site provides an outlet for Russians who believe that Medevedev in particular, but also Putin, have been far too inclined to ‘appease’ the West, and in particular the United States. An interesting example – to be found on the Voltaire Net site — is the bitter denunciation by General Leonid Ivashov of the failure to sell the S-300 missile to Iran.

  12. David Habakkuk

    There is what looks like as though it could conceivably be a response from the Saudis to the Voltaire Net story on Arab News today. “Thierry Meyssan and Prince Bandar bin Sultan“, Arab News, 4 August 2012

    The article is interesting in a number of ways – among them, the fact that it does not ignore claims about the close links between Bandar and and ultra-Zionist Jeffrey Feltman – appointed not long ago as U.N. Under Secretary General for Political Affairs. Also, while attempting to exonerate the Saudis for the Damascus bombing, the Arab News is happy to insinuate the U.S. may have been involved.

    As to the non-appearance of Bandar, I do not find the explanation given in the story entirely convincing.

    If I had to bet – which fortunately I do not – I would guess that Syrian, Iranian and Russian intelligence were clear that Bandar’s deputy had been killed in the blast, and uncertain whether he himself had escaped. The Voltaire Net report could have been a trial balloon floated by one or another of these, or more than one in combination, designed to sort the matter out one way or another.

    To leave it totally without answer would have tended to confirm suspicions that Bandar was indeed dead, and the line taken in the Arab News story may have seemed the best way of handling the problem. It still seems to me that if Bandar was unhurt, it would have been more sensible to provide proof that that this was so. The possibility that he was not killed, but injured, should not I think be discounted.

    Curiosity, of course, does not establish complicity. It seems clear there was an explosion, and there must have been a lot of rumours going about Riyadh about it, and quite irrespective of whether or not they had any involvement, Syrian and Iranian intelligence agencies would have wanted clarification.

  13. David Habakkuk

    An extraordinary encomium of Bandar by David Ignatius published in the Washington Post yesterday includes the following paragraph:

    “Bandar would be a useful intermediary, for example, if Saudi Arabia sought nuclear weapons or ballistic missile technology from China to defend against such threats from Iran.”

    It mentions an Iranian report suggesting that Bandar had been assassinated, and continues:

    “the rumor was rebutted Friday by a source who said that Bandar had been in telephone contact with non-Saudis.”

    Hardly the most convincing of rebuttals, one feels. This is all getting seriously strange.

    The report is at the Is Saudi Arabia on the Edge?, David Ignatius, op-ed in the Washington Post, 5 August 2012.

  14. Fabius Maximus Post author

    More evidence that Prince Bandar is alive.

    Here is a quasi-official denial: “Thierry Meyssan and Prince Bandar bin Sultan“, Arab News, 4 August 2012 — Excerpt:

    Last week, Thierry Meyssan wrote on Voltaire that Prince Bandar was killed along with his assistance Mishaal Al-Qarni in a bomb blast on July 26. The same day, Prince Bandar appeared with Prince Khalid bin Sultan at a function. He was also present at the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques’ reception for princes in Jeddah. This shows that the propaganda against Prince Bandar only aims to stir instability and anarchy.

    The Voltaire Network admitted their error the next day.

  15. Fabius Maximus Post author

    Prince Bandar is alive!

    Princes group photo” at the Islamic Solidarity Summit, 16 August 2012

    From left, Prince Ahmed, Minister of Interior, Prince Abduz Aziz bin Abdullah, Deputy Foreign Minister, Prince Khaled Al-Faisal, Emir of Makkah Region, and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Intelligence Chief, during the conference. — Okaz/Agencies photos

    1. David Habakkuk

      An interesting piece appeared yesterday in the Aspen Times. Among the evidences supposed to demonstrate that the claims by Voltaire Net were wholly spurious:

      ‘This week, Ignatius confirmed that his source on Bandar was solid. ‘“Yes, before I wrote my piece on Aug. 5, I talked with a source who confirmed, based on personal knowledge, Prince Bandar had been in regular phone contact with foreign officials that week to discuss intelligence matters,” Ignatius wrote in response to an email query.

      ‘Further evidence of Bandar’s continued existence also came on Aug. 14, when the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement that noted that Bandar was in attendance at the Islamic Solidarity Summit being held in Mecca.

      ‘And on Aug. 15, the Qatar News Agency reported that Bandar had escorted the emir of Qatar to the airport in Jeddah after the first day of the summit.’
      (See Aspen Times)

      It may be slightly misleading to suggest that the Voltaire Network ‘admitted their error’. Their conclusion ran:

      ‘Arab News mentions the attack on July 26 and the possible death of Mishaal Al-Qani, Prince Bandar’s right-hand man, again without either confirming or denying it.
      ‘Taking note of the information relayed by Arab News on the activities of Prince Bandar, Voltaire Network wishes him a speedy recovery and expresses the hope that no formal commitments will crop up to interfere with his convalescence.’

      What Occam’s Razor suggests, I think, is that there was an attempt on July 26, that Mishaal Al-Qani may well have been killed, and that Bandar probably sustained some injury – but not a sufficient one to incapacitate him, or be conspicuous in someone wearing Arab dress.

      Another Saudi Gazette report relates how King Abdullah sat Ahmadinejad next to him at the summit, as a goodwill gesture. Without wanting to speculate too far, it seems to me that, like the clear suggestion in the Arab News story that the Americans, rather than the Saudis, were likely to have been involved in the attack on the Syrian national security HQ, what we may be seeing is a Saudi desire to cool things down a bit. (See here)

      It would be intelligible if this was a reaction to a partially successful response to the attack in Damascus. The point that things could easily run right out of control may have been successfully made.

      Particularly as at the moment the Syrian government appears to be gaining the upper hand in the civil war, they and the Iranians may also see the advantages of cooling things down.

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What is osteosarcoma?

Osteosarcoma is a kind of bone cancer that most often affects children and teenagers. It usually begins in a leg bone (either the femur or the tibia) near the knee or in the upper arm bone (the humerus) near the shoulder. Osteosarcoma can metastasize (spread) to other parts of the body, most often to the lungs or to other bones.

What are the symptoms of osteosarcoma?

Most people who have osteosarcoma do not feel or look sick. An osteosarcoma tumor may cause a dull aching pain in the bone or joint around the tumor. Often, there is a firm swelling or lump in the area of the pain. This swelling is caused by the tumor growing inside the bone.

If the cancer is in a leg bone, the person may limp. Also, the muscles in the arm or leg that has the osteosarcoma may look smaller than the muscles in the opposite arm or leg. Sometimes, the bone can break in the area of the tumor, because the tumor weakens the bone.

Who gets osteosarcoma?

Osteosarcoma occurs most often in children, teenagers, and young adults between the ages of 10 and 20. It is slightly more likely to affect males.

Osteosarcoma is not a common cancer. Only about 400 cases occur in the United States each year. It is the most common bone cancer in children and teenagers.

What causes osteosarcoma?

Osteosarcoma has no known cause. Some researchers believe that genetics may play a role. In some cases, osteosarcoma can develop as a result of radiation therapy.

What tests will the doctor use to tell if my child has osteosarcoma?

Physical exam: The doctor will check for general signs of health as well as examine the place around the swelling, lump or break. The doctor will also ask about any previous health conditions or medical treatments.

X-ray: An X-ray is usually the first imaging test your doctor will order. If there is a tumor, it will usually show up on the X-ray.

MRI and CT: The doctor may also order an MRI scan, a CT scan (also called a CAT scan), or both. MRI scans take pictures that help the doctor see if the tumor has destroyed any of the bone, and a CT scan is useful to look at the chest and belly to see if the disease has spread. Before a CT scan, the doctor may inject or ask you to swallow a special kind of dye. The dye helps the organs or tissues show up more clearly on the scan.

Biopsy: A biopsy is important because other malignant (cancerous) tumors and some infections can look like osteosarcoma on an X-ray. For the biopsy, a doctor with training in the treatment of bone cancer takes a piece of the tumor from the bone, sometimes with a needle, sometimes through an incision. This piece of tissue is looked at under a microscope to see if the tumor is an osteosarcoma.

Other tests: The doctor may recommend other tests to see if the cancer has spread to the lungs or other organs. For example, a bone scan will help the doctor see if the cancer has spread to other bones. Other tests may also be needed.

How is osteosarcoma treated?

Osteosarcoma is treated with a combination of chemotherapy, surgery, and/or radiation therapy. For chemotherapy, your child or teenager will be given medicines that kill the main tumor and any tumor cells that have moved to other parts of the body. This treatment is usually started before surgery to kill the tumor or make it smaller.

Surgery is performed to remove the tumor. Almost everyone who has this type of cancer can have “limb-sparing” surgery. In this surgery, the tumor is removed along with the area of bone that it grew in. Then the doctor replaces the missing bone so that, after rehabilitation, the joint will still work normally. In some cases, the doctor may recommend amputation (removal of the limb) as the best way to remove the tumor.

After the surgery, the doctor may recommend more chemotherapy and/or radiation therapy. Chemotherapy and radiation therapy help to kill any remaining cancer cells in the body that might be left after surgery.

What can we expect after treatment?

Today, about 3 out of 4 people who have osteosarcoma can be cured if the cancer has not spread to other parts of the body. Almost everyone who is treated with limb-sparing surgery ends up with that arm or leg working well.

Many people who have osteosarcoma will need physical therapy for several months after the surgery. If amputation is necessary, rehabilitation may last for much longer. There are many new prosthetic treatments now available to help people who have had amputations regain movement and independence.

After the treatment is over, you or your loved one will:

  • Need to see the bone cancer specialist regularly for several years
  • Have frequent CT scans of the lungs, bone scans, and X-rays to see if the tumor comes back or travels to the lungs or other parts of the body
  • Have X-rays to check for problems with any replaced pieces of bone

  • If I have osteosarcoma once, am I more likely to get it again?
  • My child has osteosarcoma. How can I make him/her more comfortable?
  • If I have osteosarcoma, will I lose my leg/arm?
  • My child walks with a limp, but there’s no swelling. Should he/she be tested for osteosarcoma?
  • After my treatment for osteosarcoma is over, how often will I have to come back for follow-up visits?
  • I’m in my 40s and I have a swelling in my leg. Could it be osteosarcoma?
  • How long will I have to be in physical therapy after surgery?

  • Osteosarcoma: A Multidisciplinary Approach to Diagnosis and Treatment by JC Wittig, J Bickels, D Priebat, J Jelinek, K Kellar-Graney, B Shmookler, MM Malawer( 03/15/02, http://www.aafp.org/afp/20020315/1123.html)


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Unique Family Living Situations

Unique Family Living Situations

Family life has its ups and downs. Parents hope that the family home brings their children comfort and safety. Yet, what if the family home changes for reasons of divorce, death, or economics? Factors, such as shifting between separate homes for divorced parents, blending families when a parent remarries after a divorce or death of a spouse, or moving in with your child’s grandparents can create unique living situations.

It also can create stress for your child. Unique living situations affect every child, whether it’s a newborn or an 18-year-old about to leave the nest. Parents can help by understanding their child’s concerns and establish ways to make it better.

Path to improved emotional well being

  • Divorce: Living in two different homes can be hard on children of divorce. Co-parent with your ex-spouse to develop consistent routines for bedtime, meals, discipline, homework, friendships, activities, and safety at both homes. Work together to provide your child with comfortable surroundings in both homes. For example, make your child’s bedroom feel like it’s their own instead of a guest bedroom. Be honest with your child about what you can afford for the room. Consider having them bring items from what was once the family home. Also consider decorating with homemade crafts that you can make together.
  • Stepparents: When a parent remarries, adding a stepparent to the family is hard for children. Children are already emotional. If you and your child move into the stepparent’s home or if the stepparent moves into your home, it’s a big change for a child of any age. If the reason is due to divorce, work together as a family (both parents and stepparent) to make a positive plan for the new living arrangement. Refuse to speak negatively about any of the adults involved. Agree to keep and start new traditions and keepsakes that are important to everyone. If a stepparent joins the family because your child lost a parent to a death, don’t remove that parent’s personal items. Your child may be ready to part with some of those items when he or she gets older. But it would be insensitive to remove them before he or she is ready.
  • Blended families: Sometimes, stepparents have children from a previous marriage. Those children (stepchildren) may live in the same home as your children for some or all of the time. It’s important to tell your child that certain house rules apply to everyone and that some are different based on the child’s parents.
  • Grandparents: Many children live with grandparents because their grandparents are their guardians. This might be because the child’s parents have passed away, their parents have to work in another state, the children have been removed from their parents’ home because of neglect, or because the parents are in prison. Others live with their grandparents (and one or both parents) if the family cannot afford to live on its own. Sometimes, one or more grandparents will move into a child’s home because of the grandparent’s poor health. Whatever the reason, it’s a difficult adjustment for parents and children. It’s especially difficult when multiple generations are involved. Different generations have experienced family life in different ways. To get along, everyone in the house should use their manners like they would for a guest. However, a child needs to feel like the home is his or her own. Talk with everyone involved to make your child or grandchild’s living arrangement as comfortable as possible. Decorate your child or grandchild’s room if you can, include family photos or personal artwork in the home, and encourage your child or grandchild to invite friends to their shared home.

Things to consider

Divorce: Living in two different homes can be hard on children of divorce. Between birth through the age of 5, the back and forth can affect a child’s sleep, eating, and disciplinary routines. This is especially true if parents don’t agree to the same rules. Once they enter school, your child’s concerns grow. Beyond sleeping, eating and disciplinary routines, school-aged children have the added weight of homework, extracurricular activities, and friends. For teens, the list grows with dating, driving, work, and post-high school plans.

Stepparents: Stepparents are often well meaning. Still, it’s tricky to combine their thoughts, feelings, and rights as an adult in the house with that of the child’s parents. Divorced couples can make home life better by agreeing on the role a stepparent will play with your child. It’s reasonable to include stepparents on issues of safety, transportation, and any costs associated with raising the child. Parents should be the primary decision-makers on issues of religion, education, and extracurricular activities. When a stepparent enters a family because of the death of another parent, a child may be extra sensitive. It’s difficult for a child to hear a stepparent’s opinions or carry out the stepparent’s family traditions if it conflicts with those of a parent who has died. Adults should be sensitive to this and encourage sharing memories and mementos of the deceased parent in the child’s everyday home life.

Blended families: Stepfamilies bring many different traditions, routines, and opinions to a household. Stepchildren may live together in the same house all of the time or some of the time. The children may or may not interact well with one another. Stepchildren may question the authority of the stepparent. Clearly define the rules of the house, of each adult in the house, and emphasize the importance of respect. Visual aids, such as chore charts, are a good way to show that certain rules apply to everyone in the house.

Grandparents: Grandparents want the best for their children and grandchildren. They are often the first to offer their home in a crisis. A crisis might be related to money (one or both parents have lost their jobs or the family home) or guardianship (in the event parents cannot take care of their children due to legal, economic, or health-related issues). Living with grandparents is unique. Grandparents have already raised a family. Therefore, grandparents have established routines for home life that may differ from another generation. Grandparents also may have health issues that affect home life. It’s important for parents and grandparents to respect one another’s authority and roles. On the flip side, when grandparents move into the family home, life can change. This unique living situation may require your child to make sacrifices to his or her space or routine. Communicate with grandparents to discuss the roles and responsibilities of living together.

In any unique living situation, children want to know where they will live, who will be in the home, who will make the rules, where they will go to school, how much time they will spend with divorced parents, how it will affect their friendships, what summers and holidays will look like, and if they can still participate in their favorite activities.

Questions for your doctor

  • My child and his or her stepparent are not getting along. Should I see a family counselor?
  • Should stepparents or grandparents be able to make medical decisions for my child?
  • My child has been sick, anxious, or depressed with our unique living situation. Does he or she need to be treated with medicine?

American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, Divorce and Children


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Corn Subsidies in Missouri totaled $193 million in 2011

SELECT * FROM regionsummary WHERE progcode='corn' and stfips='29' and regtype='CD' and m2011!=0 ORDER BY m2011 DESC

Congressional Districts in Missouri Receiving corn subsidies, 2011

NOTE: Not all recipients were able to be placed into Congressional Districts so the District total may not total 100%. Nationally 96% of all program monies were designated into a Congressional District

Source: Environmental Working Group. Compiled from USDA data.

Farm Subsidies Education


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Auditorium Friday 10 AM Fedmsg Haikel Guemar
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Auditorium Friday 12 PM ARM Architecture 101 Jared Smith
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ECTR 103 Friday 10 AM Ask Fedora Update
ECTR 103 Friday 11 AM HyperKitty: The new mailing list UI Ian Weller
ECTR 103 Friday 12 PM Bugzilla
ECTR 107 Friday 10 AM Evolution of a Linux Distribution and its Ecosystem Miro Hrončok Máirín Duffy
ECTR 107 Friday 11 AM Installer Redesign and Rewrite Retrospective
ECTR 107 Friday 12 PM Fedora Ambassadors - State of the Union Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
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ECTR 109 Friday 11 AM Porting Fedora to 64-bit ARM John Dulaney
ECTR 109 Friday 12 PM Future of the Data Center Jon Stanley
ECTR 112 Friday 10 AM State of Security in Fedora
ECTR 112 Friday 11 AM FreeIPA Two Factor Authentication
ECTR 112 Friday 12 PM P***** - Product Naming in Global Communities
ECTR 115 Friday 10 AM A Tour of Linux portability
ECTR 115 Friday 11 AM State of the Fedora Kernel Kashyap Chamarthy
ECTR 115 Friday 12 PM KERNEL BUG TRIAGE LIVE! Ian Weller
ECTR 120 Friday 10 AM Is "cloud" something beyond a buzzword and should Fedora care? Jon Stanley
ECTR 120 Friday 11 AM Putting the PaaS in Fedora Truong Anh Tuan
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Auditorium Saturday 12 PM OpenShift, Fedora, and the future of packaged web apps Truong Anh Tuan
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ECTR 101 Saturday 11 AM Make Games Using Free as in Freedom Art and Audio Gurdonark
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ECTR 103 Saturday 11 AM Fedora Passwords (then and now) Ian Weller
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The Buckeyes just beat that team up north again, in what had to be an absolutely heartbreaking loss for Michigan basketball. Michigan had taken the lead 68-66 with 2.2 seconds left in the game. OSU in-bounded the ball to Evan Turner, and he took it up the court, and got off a three point shot with about .3 seconds left. He nailed it, giving the Buckeyes a 69-68 win as the clock expired! I can say, seeing the sad faces of the Michigan fans, combined with the exuberance of the OSU fans, was pretty exciting!

Check out the video, it is pretty sweet. Evan Turner beats Michigan

What a clutch shot! It is definitely nice going to a school like OSU, where one can actually have some faith that good things like this will happen. I actually jumped off the coach to celebrate. Quite a fun game, and it just reaffirms my belief that the Buckeyes are going to make it to at least the Final Four!

What a fun weekend, tomorrow we face the winner of the Wisconsin vs. Illinois game. GO BUCKS!


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Nikka Super Rare Old is a story of love and spirit across time and space.
Masataka Taketsuru was the son of a Sake producer. As a young man, he was sent to Scotland to learn the secrets of Whisky. He did… but he also learned about love. He met Rita Cowen — a Scottish lass whom he married and took back to Japan with him. He remained employed by other spirits makers for a few years, but Rita encouraged him to step out on his own. In 1934, he founded Yoichi Distillery that came to be a great success.
Yoichi Distillery lies in southern Hokkaido and is surrounded on three sides by mountains, a terrain much similar to the one Taketsuru found in Scotland. Yoichi possesses its own cooperage and is particularly careful when selecting its hogshead barrels, which are made on-site using new oak. Yoichi produces big, oily Whiskies in the Highland style.
Taketsuru was doing great — making a range of whiskies as Japan’s first master distiller. In 1961, Rita — the love of his life — passed away. He knew that the best way to demonstrate his affection was to make a Whisky masterpiece… one of the loves that they shared as a couple. He chose his oldest and finest single-malt spirits and made the Super Nikka Rare Old , released the following year in 1962. Rare full bottles still come up for auction.
The current masters at Nikka decided to do it all again. They purchased and tested one of the rare surviving 1962 Super Nikka bottles from a private collection. Then they aged and blended and tested until they got it just right. The result … Nikka Super Rare Old Whisky. It is a heavier, thicker Whisky more true to the original than the more commercial flasks that have made the rounds.
It is a special release from a special source and a hallmark from a special time in the Whisky history of Japan. Watashi wa anata no kenkÅ ni nomimasu (I drink to your health).

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I have a question about the recipe "Mashed Potatoes with Caramelized Onions and Goat Cheese" from Sonali. Is there anyway to make these ahead of time and then reheat them?

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You can definitely make mashed potatoes ahead of time and keep them warm over a simmering pot of water. If you're talking a day or so then I would reheat them the same way.

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Yes, I've done it, actually! I reheated the potatoes in a sauce pan on the stovetop, stirring frequently and adding milk and butter to keep them from being too dry. I rewarmed the caramelized onions separately in a saute pan with a little butter. It worked out just fine!

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One month ago, when we last looked at the Fed’s update of Treasuries held in custody, we noted something troubling: the number dropped sharply, declining by over $27.5 billion in one week, the biggest weekly drop since January 2015, pushing the total amount of custodial paper to $2.83 trillion, the lowest since 2012. One month later, we refresh this chart and find that in the latest weekly update, foreign central banks continued their relentless liquidation of US paper held in the Fed’s custody account, which tumbled by another $22.3 billion in the past week, pushing the total amount of custodial paper to $2.805 trillion, another fresh post-2012 low.

Then today, in addition to the Fed’s custody data, we also got the latest monthly Treasury International Capital data, which showed that the troubling trend presented last one month ago, has accelerated. Recall that a month ago,  we reported that in the latest 12 months we have observed a not so stealthy, in fact quite massive $343 billion in Treasury selling by foreign central banks in the period July 2015- July 2016, something truly unprecedented in size and scope.

Fast forward to today when in the latest monthly update, that of July, we find that what until a month ago was “merely” a record $343 billion in offshore central bank sales in the LTM period ending July 30, one month later this number has risen to a new all time high $346.4 billion, or well over a third of a trillion in Treasuries sold in the past 12 months.

Among the biggest sellers – on a market-price basis – not surprisingly was China, which in July “sold” $34 billion in US paper (the actual underlying number while different, as this particular series is adjusted for Mark to Market variations, will be similar), the biggest monthly dump going back to 2012, and bringing its total to $1.185 trillion, the lowest total since 2012.

It wasn’t just China: Saudi Arabia also continued to sell its TSY holdings, and in August its stated holdings (which again have to be adjusted for MTM), dropped from $96.5BN to $93Bn, the lowest since the summer of 2014.

As we pointed out one month ago, what is becoming increasingly obvious is that both foreign central banks, sovereign wealth funds, reserve managers, and virtually every other official institution in possession of US paper, is liquidating their holdings at a very troubling pace. In some cases, like China, this is to offset devaluation pressure; in others such as Saudi Arabia, it is to provide the funds needed to offset the collapse of the petrodollar, and to backstop the country’s soaring budget deficit.

So who are they selling to? The answer, at least for now, is private demand, in other words just like in the stock market the retail investor is the final bagholder, so when it comes to US Treasuries, “private investors” both foreign and domestic are soaking up hundreds of billions in central bank holdings. We wonder if they would do that knowing who is selling to them.

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What happens if in addition to the relentless selling from foreign official institutions, private sellers also declare a buyer’s strike. The answer? More Fed monetization of US debt will be the most likely outcome, aka more QE. We bring this up because, amusingly, the Fed is still harboring some naive hope it can/will raise rates in the coming week and/or months.

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Denon AH-D5000 anyone compare to Grado RS 1i

I am looking for some input (LOL) from some of the more serious user’s of headphones. I have never used them for any length of time recently. Yrs back when I was a traveling drummer and worked in the studio we were of course forced to use them and there’s where quite offend very expensive and SEALED I remember it felt like my ears where in a vacuum and being sucked out (treuly air tight)!

Any way I listen to a lot of Latin guitar and percussion music, Brass with power, I like deep natural bass and wide detailed sound stage. The live feeling of music and I am not sure if I can afford a pr of headphones to meet that need.

Equipment would be my Esoteric X-05 SACD/CD player through my McIntosh C220 preamp I am using Mazda 1958 military tubes and it is very sweet. I bought my kid a pr of Bose on-ear headphones which he did not want because he likes ear buds, so I tried them one time and they really are not made for this set up. They are more I think for travelers and I-Pod users.

I read a review that the Denon AH-D5000 Reference Headphones are quite a stereophile pr of cans, as well as the Grado RS 1i. Would love to hear what you guys think or any other thoughts. I found the Denon’s brand new for $418 shipped at Amazon quite a deal I thought for new.

Thank you for your help-
Among the headphones you are looking for, the Denons are are closed-back headphones. Any other serious headphones--Sennheiser, Grado, AKG, Beyer--are open-back designs.

For informed descriptions of any headphone you might be interested in, go to, the website of

In addition to those Denons, I would look at their descriptions of the Grado RS-1, Sennheiser HD 600, Sennheiser HD 650, and the AKG K 701.

Being a drummer too, I have long been satisfied with the open, fast, airy, extended, and completely natural sound of the Sennheisers I mentioned.
Before shelling out huge bucks for the likes of Grado's RS1i, I would look at the sr325i, as it seems to fit the description of the type of sound for which you're looking. They sound amazing on strings, their bass plumbs into the depths and they have a very expansive soundstage. Some people complain of sibilance/ too hot on the top end, but if you have quality, smooth sounding components, they may be a great match.

Btw, Johnny fyi - if i'm not mistaken, not all Beyer models are open. When I last looked, they had closed back models as well. Things could be different now, though... haven't checked out their products in a while.
Btw, Johnny fyi - if i'm not mistaken, not all Beyer models are open.
I didn't mean to imply that they are; just that *in general* the better open back 'phones sound more real than the closed cans do.


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Hey Electricians - Please help

First I would like to admit I am very weak in understanding the terminology or the science of electricity, but I am learning some things, so let's just leave it at that.

My question is this. My current system is hooked up to a Richard Gray's Power Company RGPC 400Pro. I am also using a PS Audio Humbuster to kill the DC noise in my lines (this caused torroidal hum in my amp). Everything in my system is dead quiet, so I am very pleased. However, when I turn the overhead light on and off I can hear a click through my speakers when everything is turned on. The light is a florescent light, btw. I know that the light and the consent that my gear is running through are on separate circuits, because I recently upgraded my socket and even after I turned the breaker off for the socket the overhead light remained functional. The click that I mentioned doesn't affect the sound of my system, so long as I do not turn it on or off when listening, but it annoys me just the same. Perhaps if I understand what is going on here I can either do something to fix it or simply resolve not to be annoyed by it anymore.
Please let me know if this is something you understand and can explain it to me.
My suspicion is that the power wiring and distribution have nothing to do with it. The fluorescent lighting is probably generating rfi (radio frequency interference) at turn-on and turn-off, which is radiating through the air into some sensitive circuit point or points in your audio system's electronics.

I suspect that if you were to bring a battery powered portable AM (not FM) radio near the light fixture it would pick up significant noise as well, at those times, despite having no connection to AC power.

The bottom line, IMO: I wouldn't worry about it.

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You might have the ballast in the flourescent light replaced with a modern one.
That may solve your issue.
Flourescent lights use a big ugly lump of a device to stabilise the light. They get old and start making problems. Replace it, (cost is cheap, at any hardware store $20 or less)
They are usually just in the A/c line with wire nuts. easy to replace, (I have done it) but get a friend who is handy with stuff to do it. (No need for an electrician, any person decent with a few tools can swap the ballast)
Even though the breaker that the light's wiring is on, is different from the breaker your system's sockets are on; they may still be on the same phase of your incoming AC. That puts them in the same, "circuit."
As I recall some audio gear and florescent lighting does not mate well. It may cause recordings made on analog decks too become noisy etc. You may want to change your light fixture to another type if it gets on your nerves too badly. At any rate it may be more cost effective and even more attractive then "fixing" your gear. Just a thought, let us know how you make out.
What you are hearing is the "arc" across the switch contacts when it is closed.
Added thought:. Try changing the switch at the wall first.. As a different (new)one may arc less.
For an even cheaper.. just try tightening the wires to the switch, they nmay be loose.
Sounds like a ground issue. Easy no cost check: First, pull the PS Audio out of the circuit and see if the pop persists when turning the light on/off. Next, if the pop is still present, back up to the RGPC 400 and pull it out of the circuit and see if the pop persists. You implied that your amp is not plugged into the PS Audio device but your preamp and front end components are? Are you using BAL interconnects or Single Ended (RCA)? See, if the amp is not plugged into the PS conditioner, there may be a slight difference in the ground potentials between your preamp and amp. That could make your system a bit more susceptible to electrical noise.
I had an older vacuum tube preamp in the late 80s to 2001 that would pick up hum from any dimmer switch in the house. It would be faint, but there. The only cure was to remove all of the dimmer switches. (Just a side antidotal story).
I concur with Mrderrick and Elizabeth. If you have any unshielded interconnects, then wall switch arcs are the likely cause. You might try unhooking each IC and see if the clicking stops. That will tell you which one may be acting as an antenna and picking up the switch arc.
Dimmers and fluorescent lights are not audio friendly. Change the switch. I just changed all the plugs and switches in my house, and you would not believe how bad the contacts were in the house wiring. Some of the wires turned bluish from too much heat (future fire)created by a loose connection. Get a tester for plugs, and evaluate the plugs and see if they were wired correctly in the room. Jallen
There are dimmers just made for fluorescent lights that are very effective. Also, there are electronic ballast especially made to be used with these special fluorescent dimmers. I have both installed in my listening room and they produce no noise or interference with all the tube electronics I have in the room. The lighting is 'cool' especially with natural light fluorescent bulbs.
Elizabeth adds a very good point regarding loose connections.

Many devices are equipped with screw and stab connections.

The stab in connections are notorious for becoming loose over time.

Loose connections arc and arcing creates noise.

The better connection is the wire bent into a Sheppard's hook and placed clockwise around the screw, then closed into an eye and tightened.

The saying in the trade is " Push Or Screw, It's All Up To You".

Unfortunately time is money and most will push.

If you do decide to change out the device, try to find a heavy duty switch.

It will be rated 120/277 volt and either 15 or 20 amp.

There may even be mechanical clamp terminations on the device and that's OK.
Please report back to us your results with the above suggestions. Would be an interesting learning experience for us all.
This is a common problem. All home light switches arc inside them. An inductive load causes a larger spark, in most cases. Some florescent lights are worse yet. I have to change some new Leviton Decora switches (20 amp switches with just lights) with a different brand. These arc so bad everyone is afraid of them, since you could see it (flash) along the edges of it. They probably could put a capacitor inside them to lesson it, but maybe the average person doesn't care, or know the difference.

It does cause some interference through the line (shares the same neutral and secondary in utility transformer), and RF through air. Also, a little spike depending on what it's switching. I think the first wireless radio transmissions were done with a arc or spark jumping across a gap. Even the small power supply for my laptop gives a good visible arc when unplugged, and causes interference on the TV, that's on a separate phase leg. Like Almarg mentioned above, you'll probably pick it up with an AM portable radio.

I guess it's something not worth the worry in most cases. Even less of a problem, on a separate circuit. Living close to a substation like the one in this video that switches the load would probable be more annoying, at least for myself. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG7PQOQEFmg&feature=related]
Based on the suggestions given I tried a couple of things and concluded that it is most prominent when my amp is set to the phono stage. The theory of the switch arcing seems to be correct because the phono cartridge acts like a mic and amplifies the click. When it is set to CD I do not hear the click.
I would still like to eliminate the click if I can but I won't worry about it now that I know what is causing it.

Thanks to all of you. I really appreciate it!

Get rid of the RG conditioner, it did more harm in my system than good.
Tmsorosk, I am surprised to hear you say the Richard Gray stuff did more harm than good. Can you explain your experience a bit more? In my experience the 400 I have in my system has made a big difference in a positive way.
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Now that "Black Gates" are no longer available,

What are the best choices for upgrading electrolytic capacitors?
What happened to them?
Black gate lytics are hype. Would you like to buy my pair of 100+100 500v? I use VALAB 47uF film caps. No more lytics after regulator. For cathode caps I use nichicon KZ.
I've had good luck with the Panasonic TS series from Digi-key. I have used them on two different projects and I have been very happy with them. Here is a link. I usually get the ones with the lowest ESR.

Mechans they stop production a couple of years ago I believe. Not a big enough market.

Good luck
There's still plenty of options, Jensen, Mundorf, Nichicon FG and Nichicon KZ. I also found BG over rated.
Just want to add to Face's post:
You want the tube cap series from Mundorf, not M-lytics.

What BG are you referring too? Standard, FX,WKZ, NH?

It's been a while since I've used them, I only remember they were one of the premium lines for the signal path. I found them dark and unexciting and only slightly better than the generic electrolytic caps they replaced. They didn't live up to their reputation, IMO. As always, YMMV.
I have used a variety of caps with audio projects for several years, and while I can say that there are differences I will also say that the differences are largely overblown, over-hyped or just plain inaccurate IMHO.

Having said that, I will also go out on a limb and say that ANY modern cap (modern design) is better than the best capacitor that was available 20 years ago. I'm talking new to new here. The changes to cap technology have been to provide universally beter product at universally lower prices than was possible in 1990, for example.

So by all means buy good caps, but you don't need to over do it. As always, YMMV.


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damier vernis + ludlow question

  1. trying to ask all my questions in one thread

    where is the datecode on the ludlow?
    i can't seem to find it

    and also which year was the damier vernis (or is it damier glace) collection released?
    and what colours did it come in?

  2. The damier glace came in one colour. I'm trying to remember what year, 2002-3 maybe?

    ...i think. Don't take my word on it. I'll pass it on to someone else who is sure
  3. Damier Glace and Damier Vernis were two different things. The Damier Vernis came in black, dark blue, and a deep bordeaux color, in three or four evening bag styles and the wallet. Not sure when it came out though.
  4. Damier Vernis is gorgeous. I'm hoping to get a ludlow from this line someday. I've seen it in the 3 colors mentioned by pointie. I'm not sure when they came out either, sorry!
  5. Damier Glace - 2001
    Red, white, black, and some gray color.

    Not sure about the Damier Vernis but I'm thinking around 2002 or so. I dont remember at all.
    This one came in 3 colors, black, blue and some reddish marroon color.


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  1. I would love to hear your opinions...I think I want to exchange my Denim Neo speedy in green for a Baggy GM in green ,like Jill's. I think I need a hands-free bag. What do you guys think? I still have the Neo in pink that way?:wacko: Woke me up in my sleep last night, so ridiculous...Time to exchange is running short!
  2. I think you should do the exchange so you have 2 different bags in 2 different colors from the same line - how cool is that?
  3. i vote for the exchange! more variety! :biggrin: love the line!
  4. exchange! you won't get bored of them as fast
  5. I would definitely get a baggy instead of a neo, since you do still have the pink and the original blue !
  6. Exchange it! You still have two Neos!!!
  7. Exchange it!!! I think the baggy looks better in green and the neo looks better in pink anyways!!! go Star go!!!
  8. Im all for the different style~!! I think if I get the green I will get a different style as well. That is the kind of thing that would wake me up in the night as well....too funny!! I want to see if you can go in and simply exchange it Star...I have a feeling you might see something else you need as well...I will be waiting for the pics.
  9. I have the blue denim baggy and I love, love, love it. I like that its hands free.
  10. Exchange
  11. I would exchange it... especially when you have summer coming along and the sweat from the arm may darken or dirty the handles. The Baggy GM looks cute, and it's very functional. Hands free so you can carry a cold drink and shop at the same time.
  12. Well, I think I got a pretty GREAT confirmation that I was not totally nuts for obsessing over the bags!Yes, I will Definately exchange now! Such good advice...I will tire of 2 the same more easily and I do have the denim(almost forgot I had the denim Neo during my mini obsession over this:lol: ) Thanks so very much ladies!....Sunshine, I better not!:lol:
  13. Aww - you decided before I answered. :sad:

    ;) j/k. Doesn't really matter anyway - I was going to say the exchange. Lol!
  14. I was going to vote for an exchange too ... I have the baggy gm and it is a great casual bag:biggrin:
  15. Exchange it !