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Currently I like the idea of this better than the actuality. This doesn't work with themes and when it upgraded it broke all of the images on the internet. Turns out that it had just (somehow) unchecked the "load images automatically" setting, but still it was damn annoying.

I would think these things would be tested, especially considering the source, before release. I wonder why it wasn't. Well, I hope that the next version of this will be tested before it is released. I think I'll be downgrading to a previous (and better) version of this before uninstalling it completely.

This review is for a previous version of the add-on (1.6.1).  This user has a previous review of this add-on.


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    The UBC says a stair hand rail MUST return to the wall, newel or volute. My stair well is wall on both sides . One side chases out 1 1/2 inches. the other side is flat top to bottom. heres what I'd like to do. I want install a newel at the second step riser by lag bolt, ( bottom of stairs )then I want to install a turn over over the newel. At the top I want to plainly return the rail to the wall. Is this desription appear to meet code?

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    I assume that you meant a turnout.

    Yes, this is in compliance.

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Hollywood Goodfella actor Ray Liotta a friend of ours played Lucchese Gangster Henry Hill

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Ray Liotta doesn’t only play cold-eyed, purse-mouthed sociopaths who would sooner put a bullet in your head than shake your hand. “The next movie I’m doing is a preacher,” he told The Huffington Post. “I’ve done a lot of other kinds of movies. For some reason, the bad guys stand out in peoples’ minds.”

Maybe that’s because Liotta’s villains are the stuff nightmares are made of. He had three movies at this year’s Toronto International Film Festival, and in two of them he plays the kind of guy who scars your whole family for life just by showing up on the doorstep. In Derek Cianfrance’s “The Place Beyond the Pines,” which was picked up by Focus Features, Liotta strikes fear into the heart of Bradley Cooper as a crooked cop who really, really doesn’t like snitches, and in Ariel Vroman’s “The Iceman” he portrays Gambino crew boss Roy DeMeo, who hires — and, ultimately, faces off against — a humorless hit man named Richie Kuklinski (Michael Shannon).

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It was a mild April day when my husband and I decided to take our puppy-dog Sasha for a car ride to the nature trail behind the local library for an extended walk. The temperature could not have been any more ideal. It was not too hot and not too humid. There were hardly any clouds in the sky and just the right amount of breeze.

As we walked with Sasha, we noticed an empty, discarded pack of cigarettes on the side of the trail. We could have left it there and take on the attitude that it belonged to someone else; or, the recreation department will pick it up later.

No, we decided to take ownership of the garbage and be good stewards of our little part our Mother Earth. We picked up the trash. A few more yards away, we picked up a discarded soda bottle.  Funny thing is that with a little effort on the part of those who left the garbage, there was a trash can 100 or so feet away that they could have utilized.

Overall, the trail was mostly litter-free, which made our adventure quite pleasant.  And, for our effort, my husband and I were rewarded by nature. As we continued down the trail an elusive cardinal peeked through the branches teasing us with its presence. It was like it was playing hide and seek with us. It’s beautiful red plumage was quite a sight to see in contrast to the spring greens of the trees and shrubbery.

Further down the trail, 2 squirrels were chasing each other in a playful game of tag or so it seemed.  The scampering of their feet created such a hubbub in the understory of the woods the trail cut through.  It was a delight to see them acting so carefree without a worry in the world.

Then a mallard duck made a brief appearance when a cacophony of 4 young boys on their bikes came rushing past us like a scene from “Stand By Me.” I wondered where they were rushing off to see (maybe a dead body like in the movie).  The boys voices carried through the trail; so at that point we did not see as many creatures except for a variety of butterflies and other flying insects.

Today it felt like Mother Nature noticed us taking care of her and in return she gave us a gift of seeing the best of Mother Nature.

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Sixth Season of Live @ the Library

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Tickets are now on sale for the sixth season of Live@the Library, a concert series that brings some of the Bay Area’s top names in jazz and American music to an intimate performing space at the Alameda Main Library. Proceeds from the series benefit the Alameda Free Library Foundation, which raises money for the long-term support of Alameda’s libraries.

This year’s lineup includes many familiar names in the Bay Area music scene:

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Doors open at 7 p.m., when refreshments are available and concertgoers mingle. The concerts start at 8 p.m. in the Regina K. Stafford Rooms at the Alameda Main Library, 1550 Oak Street. Access to the event is through the library’s rear entrance near the parking lot.

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Bonus Pix, Lake Roosevelt, April 17, 2011

Last Sunday there was no post to the blog because a weak internet connection prevented me from uploading a megabyte-glutton photo.  So today there will be two posts.  This one easy on the eyes and light on words.  Later today, “Choices”.

I am grateful for the discovery of Roosevelt Lake and sorry to be moving on for now.  Last night, nearly the full moon, provided a farewell photo op.  Two pix taken one minute apart and 180 degrees from each other.

8 Responses to Bonus Pix, Lake Roosevelt, April 17, 2011

  1. Colleen Rae says:

    absolutely gorgeous, Al!

  2. David Bauer says:

    Great photos, Al. You are motivating me to visit Roosevelt Lake on our trip through Arizona this coming summer, though summer is probably not the best time of year to visit I am sure.

    Do you by chance know after which Roosevelt the lake was named? Since I like both of the Roosevelt presidents and their politics, we’ll likely weather the heat to pay homage to them. At least the place is now on my list of possibilities.

    • allevenson says:

      It was Teddy. He regarded this as his most important achievement after the Panama Canal.

      I imagine summers are hot but it is also the high season. Campground stays limited to 14 days. It is a fishing and boating lake. The Cliff dwellings and interpretive programs make this a worthwhile for at least an overnight. I think we are at 3800 feet so the eves may be pleasant even in summer.

      • Chip says:

        A visionary leader, that Teddy! Am assuming he did not count the national parks among his most important achievement because he did not have as direct a role in creating them as he did the canal and the lake…

  3. karen wittgraf says:

    Leave it to Teddy to preserve this beauty. His spirit is still flying about, trying to help us out. I did the “sigh” you spoke of earlier on these photos…I want to be there.

  4. Gloria Reid says:

    Great Photos, Al. What a wonderful adventure you’re having!

  5. Christine Thomas says:

    AL-Wonderful pictures, thoughts, insights….I will be curious to see how people respond to your inquiries about their own personal journey throught this world…what motivates them, what creates their stage of the journey, what made them choose to be the person they are now, their politics and religion…(You may want to re-define religion as “spirituality’….which seems to go beyond man’s ritualistically-imposed interpretation of religion. I have heard it said that “Religion is for those who fear hell; Spirituality is for those who have been there”. ) Just a thought…

  6. Gene says:

    Great pictures. Send more.

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DB- Valentino Cake and White Chocolate Matcha Ice Cream

The February 2009 challenge is hosted by Wendy of WMPE’s blog and Dharm of Dad ~ Baker & Chef.
We have chosen a Chocolate Valentino cake by Chef Wan; a Vanilla Ice Cream recipe from Dharm and a Vanilla Ice Cream recipe from Wendy as the challenge.

The cake is flour-less and is essentially chocolate thinned by butter and given some body by eggs.   I sprinkled a few flakes of sea salt on the top of the cake before baking.

It is very dense.  I used a chocolate I like very much but the bitterness of the chocolate seemed intensified and it wasn’t to my families love.  The ice cream was really interesting and complex though.

Our DB challenge this month was not just baking but making ice cream.  I saw this recipe for white chocolate and matcha ice cream at Jaden’s Steamy Kitchen and thought it is time for me to try the matcha powder I bought in Singapore back in July.  Now to show proper provinance here is where Jaden found the recipe.

I followed Jaden’s recipe but I made tweaks in method.

I heated my milk, sugar and cream in a 4 cup pyrex measuring cup in the micowave.  It made it easy to slowly temper the egg yolks.

I have been making white chocolate ganache using an immersion mixer of late with great success.  I thought I would try that technique to save messing about with melting the chocolate in the microwave.  The immersion mixer helps to emulsify the white chocolate which can rudely clump  if one depends on a whisk.

I then mixed some of the white chocolate custard with the matcha (with the immersion blender because it was on the bench and good to go).

Matcha White Chocolate Ice Cream

Adapted from Kuidaore and Jaden

Makes about 1 litre

375ml heavy cream
375ml milk
100g granulated sugar
1/8 teaspoon fine salt
4 large egg yolks
250 g white chocolate, finely chopped
2 tablespoons matcha powder, sifted

Equipment: Ice cream maker + frozen insert, immersion mixer

1. In a medium heavy saucepan (or the microwave) , bring the cream, milk, sugar and salt to a simmer over low heat, stirring constantly.

2. While whisking eggs, pour about 1/2 cup of the hot cream mixture in a thin, steady stream in the bowl of eggs. This should temper the eggs. Now pour the tempered eggs in the rest of the saucepan with the hot cream mixture, in a thin, steady stream while whisking the hot cream.

3. Cook over low heat, constantly stirring, just until the mixture is thick enough to coat the back of a wooden spoon, about 5 minutes (do not heat over 170C or the eggs will scramble). Do not let this mixture boil. Pour this mixture through a strainer lined with cheesecloth. (I didn’t worry with this step)

4. Place the chocolate in a microwave safe bowl and heat for 2 1/2 minutes, stirring at 30 second intervals until chocolate is melted. Add the matcha powder to the chocolate and stir vigorously with whisk to mix well. Add this to the strained hot cream and stir to blend. (Or use the immersion mixer to melt the chocolate straight into the hot custard, then use some of this mixture to mix in the matcha powder). Cool this mixture and refrigerate until chilled. (Bo Friedburg in the very amazing, Professional Pastry Chef recommends letting the custard rest overnight for best results)

5. Freeze according to the instructions for your ice cream machine.

6 responses to “DB- Valentino Cake and White Chocolate Matcha Ice Cream

  1. I love matcha ice cream! I love that you’ve paired it with the valentino.

  2. Matcha white chocolate ice cream sounds yummy. Your cake looks great.

  3. For those who won’t try the ice cream for fear the color reflects the taste of the ice cream… well, I say great! that’s more for us… I’ve had matcha ice cream and must admit… it was divine! Allthough I don’t know how it is with white chocolate… I’m very tempted to try…
    Very beautiful Andrea! Very creative taste combination!

  4. Boy! That is some ice cream. I would never have thought of that. Beautiful. And the cake looks perfect.

  5. Match ice cream? and salt on the cake? Fantastic.

  6. Wow, what a great ice cream flavor.

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We’re Canadians, but will soon be moving to Niger, Africa, for a few years.🙂

I’m the 2nd oldest in a family of 7, so a lot of food preparation went on in our home! I learned how to cook from my parents, and am so grateful for that. I love to now see my children try to shape bread loaves with me! :D

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Hair Inspiration – Nneka Egbuna

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Hello Readers:  Keep in mind that I no longer update this site, the new updated blog can be found at  Thank you!

Today’s hair inspiration is Nigerian born singer Nneka Egbuna.  She is not only beautiful, but has a great set of vocals.  In early 2010 she performed live on The Late Show with David Letterman.  Please check her pictures out below, and her official website here.

Had to include one of her songs….Heartbeat..

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  1. r*dean [myaliasfotography] May 26, 2010 at 11:23 am #

    I’ve never heard of her, but loving her style AND music!

  2. Socialite Dreams May 31, 2010 at 10:34 pm #

    oh my goodness!!! her hair is WICKED awesome! great find/inspiration

  3. Sundjata June 15, 2010 at 6:28 pm #

    How do you find these women with hair and beauty like that?!

  4. Tolu Ihidero July 3, 2010 at 8:14 am #

    I love Nneka, her music, her personality and her hair. Her hair stands her out when she is performing on stage. She is really amazing as a woman and as an artiste. She’s great.

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three hundred postcards and one wish

This morning, I wrote the 300th postcard in my postcard project. While it is far short of my 1000-by-August goal, this milestone means something much more important: I haven’t given up on the goals of my postcard project. Sure, I’ve took a break in the fall when life got hectic, but it didn’t take me long to return back to writing. Between postcards, greeting cards and letters, I have sent hundreds of pieces of mail since August. The sad truth is that I’ve sent more personal mail in the past eight months than my peers will probably send in their lifetime. Personal mail is a dying art.

This morning, I received the most unique and wonderful Postcrossing postcard assignment! I will one day write a post dedicated to the site, but if you don’t know how Postcrossing works, here’s a quick introduction:

1. Sign up for the site. It’s free and takes minutes. That sounded like an advertisement, but if you’re interested in receiving postcards, you should sign up.

2. Opt to send a postcard. This will give you a postcard assignment for a user somewhere in the world. You will be assigned a unique number to write on your postcard which will allow the recipient to register it when it arrives.

3. When a postcard that you send arrives, the recipient registers the postcard. This adds your name to the list of upcoming recipients, and you will receive a postcard from someone else, somewhere in the world.

This is the assignment that I received today:

You just received a magic postcard ID.
Once you send this card – you will become one step closer to your dream. So pick up any card you find cute/funny/interesting/surprising, put the best stamp you could find and hurry up – write your wish on it and send it to me! I am a magician, so by the time a postman drops it in my mailbox your dream will come true.
There is only three conditions:
1 – your dream should not harm anyone
2 – you should really, really, really wish for it most of all!
3- why don’t you wish something nice to Magician too -it will charge his magic powers!

If you just have registered a card received from this account, be sure this card will bring good luck with your wishes, too!

But remember – be careful what you wish for, dreams tend to come true!

Your Wish Maker.”

I have stamped and addressed the postcard, but I haven’t written a message on it yet. Whenever I send mail, I always write the address out and stamp it before I write the message. I have no idea why. I picked this storyboard artwork postcard from the Art of Toy Story collection. I think that this postcard is fun. There are plenty of great postcards in that set, but this one was the right one for the Wish Maker. He lives in Poland, in case you were curious. I haven’t decided what to write yet, though, but I want it to be grand. What to write, what to write… What would you wish for if you only had one wish?

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  1. randomwithjenn

    World Peace!
    just kidding, probably something along the lines of a new Louis, but hey thats just me🙂

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This measure shows the percent of PeaceHealth clinic patients 18 to 75 years of age with a diagnosis of diabetes whose most recent HbA1c blood test was less than 7.0%. The measure shows the overall score for all PeaceHealth clinics and the score for each region PeaceHealth serves.

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A home blood glucose test measures the level of blood glucose only at that moment. HbA1c is a blood test used to measure how well your blood sugar was controlled over the last 2-3 months. Knowing your HbA1c is an important part of managing your diabetes by making sure your treatments and medicines are working.

The American Diabetes Association recommends an HbA1c less than 7.0%.

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HbA1c of 6% or less is normal. You should work with your care team to keep your HbA1c level at or below 7%. However, you and your health care team must decide what is a "normal" HbA1c level for you.

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An abnormal result means that your blood glucose levels have been above normal over a period of weeks to months. If your HbA1c is above 7.0%, it means that your diabetes control may not be as good as it should be.

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This is especially true if your HbA1c remains high for a long period of time. The closer your HbA1c is to normal, the less risk you have for these complications.

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DIY Aquarium Sump

There are many advantages of having an aquarium sump on a saltwater aquarium.  It provides a place to put your return pump, skimmer, heater, probes and other equipment while adding to your overall volume of water in your system.  An aquarium sump can be is simple as a plastic tub to a custom acrylic aquarium sump.  These pages will discuss designing aquarium sumps as well as show of some that I have made.

What Size?

The first thing to determine is what size do you need.  It will depend on what size your main display tank is as well as what equipment will be in it.  Things like if you are going to have a refugium in the aquarium sump, the size of the protein skimmer and what return pump is being used.  Generally I recommend a sump that is approximately half the number of gallons of the display tank.  For example a 75 gallon tank should have a 30-40 gallon aquarium sump.  I prefer to be on the higher side if possible.

What Material?

The next thing is to decide what material should be used.  Acrylic and glass are the most popular.  Personally I prefer glass tanks.  Used glass aquariums are inexpensive to find used and you can get glass cut at most local hardware or glass shops to use for baffles.  For example I found a used 55 gallon tank for $10, bought $30 in glass and $10 in aquarium silicone and had a custom glass aquarium sump.  Acrylic sumps are nice but the materials tend to be more expensive and if you do it yourself cutting the acrylic can take a lot of time. Custom acrylic aquarium sumps can be made but the tend to be expensive.  The choice is up to you but I prefer glass aquarium sumps.

How to layout the aquarium sump baffles?

Laying out the baffles can be a little tricky.  It can be really simple or really complex.  The first thing is to determine how many chambers you need.  You may want one for the protein skimmer, one for the refugium and one for the return pump.  Typically I design the sump so the protein skimmer and refugium chambers water level does not fluctuate.  This can be done by the height of the baffles.  Lets look at this simple 3 chamber aquarium sump.  It will only require three pieces of glass to make.

In this design the water enters the aquarium sump into the skimmer chamber.  The water then flows over the second tallest baffle into the refugium chamber.  It then flows over the third tallest baffle.  On this baffle I sometimes put silicone in some egg crate on the top of it so the macro algae does not float over the top of the baffle.  As for the height of the tallest baffles I typically start at 75% the height of the aquarium sump.  If the height of the sump is 12” the tallest baffle would be around 9” tall.  Once thing to remember is that the sump needs to hold all the water from the display tank that may back siphon in a power outage.  This can be calculated. Click here to see how to calculate water volumes.  The height of the second tallest baffle is typically 1-2” shorter than the tallest one.  This is dependant on the width of the second tallest baffle as well as how much flow is going through the sump.  Typically for higher flow I would use 2”, lower flow you can use 1”.  If you are not sure I would go 2” to be safe.  The skimmer and refugium chambers’ water levels do not fluctuate but the third chamber where the return pump is will.

How to prevent micro bubbles in the return?

The best way I found is to keep to prevent micro bubbles is to keep the return pump as far as you can from the last baffle.  If you look at the above sump design the water has to go around a corner and then the length of the aquarium sump to get to the return.  The water will be pretty calm by the time it gets to the return pump.  I have never had micro bubble issues with this type of design.  Some people use bubble traps.  This can work well but I do not like vertical style.   See picture below of a couple of different types.

This is a vertical baffle design water flows over and under a couple of baffles to help trap bubbles.  If these baffles are not designed correctly micro bubbles can be a problem.

This is a horizontal bubble trap design.  It basically makes the water travel farther before the water gets to the return pump.  It tends to use less glass as the vertical bubble trap and in my opinion is easier to build.

In the future more complex sump design will be added.  The above information is a good place to start with the design of your own custom aquarium sump.  Whether you decide to do it yourself or to have one custom built a well designed aquarium sump will be a benefit to your aquarium.

On my last three tank builds I have built my own aquarium sumps out of old aquariums.  I made one out of a 55 gallon aquarium for my 125 and now I use a 120 gallon aquarium for my new 240 gallon tank.  I also just built a 40 breeder aquarium sump for my clownfish grow out system.  Please click on the pictures below for detail design guides on how I built these aquarium sumps.


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newspaper reports what in the world is going on with the fiscal cliff, you hear about a small deal sort of in the works between harry reid and mitch mcconnell, maybe it's not voted on until monday, maybe no deal at all. maybe sequestration is going to happen so for that let's go to washington. >> juliet: all right. tick-tock, tick-tock, time is almost up for lawmakers as we say to avert the fiscal cliff. they worked throughout the weekend in hopes of hammering out some sort of deal. >> dave: peter doocy is live in washington and we hustle you over to the capitol. and what is the latest, do you think we'll get something done? >> reporter: dave, we were told late in the evening that legislative staff was going to work through the night, but the only principal we heard from was mitch mcconnell who said he and his democratic counterparts have been trading paper all day saturday, but the only big news, mcconnell cared to share with us, in the state he represents, kentucky, louisville beat the university of kentucky by three and meanwhile, the officially republican weekly address features ano
FOX News
Dec 28, 2012 10:00am PST
year. in order to avoid some of the tax hikes of the fiscal cliff and to deal with some of the unemployment. greg: senator rob portman, a republican from ohio said that if lawmakers in the white house can get through this fiscal cliff, we will immediately face another fiscal cliff, if you will. the debt ceiling, noting that are dead is not sustainable. so portman does not sound impressed by talk of a small package to get through this initial fiscal cliff. worried about the long-term impact of our unsustainable debt. greg: our markets are taking a little bit of a head. falling on wall street, the market is on track for its fifth consecutive decline. investors feared that the fallout will have a tremendous effect on what is already a fragile economic recovery. stephen moore joins us. when economic growth was comparatively pretty good, this the president said no, now you don't want to raise tax rates because the economy is fragile. gdp is worse now, is that? >> i think almost exactly two years ago, the president said the economy is too fragile to raise taxes on anyone. so w
FOX News
Dec 27, 2012 8:00am PST
and all house members are not here in washington trying to work out a deal on the fiscal cliff. here is more from leader reid a short time ago. >> if we go over the cliff and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives, as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they will give them 8 hours notice. i can't imagine their consciences. >> reporter: of course president obama has left hawaii. he is heading back to washington from his family vacation. we learned from the white house that the president had made calls to the top four congressional leaders mcconnell and boehner on the republican side, pelosi and reid on the democratic side. we'll see what the president has in mind when he touches down back in washington a little later this morning, harris. harris: mike you mentioned it. i'm mentioning it too. it is coming into the newsroom from senator mcconnell's spokesperson and just wondering what the republicans say they want. they want to review legislation and make decisi
Dec 23, 2012 7:00pm PST
gloomy about the chances for a compromise deal on the fiscal cliff. >> nine days to get a deal done. house speaker boehner is in ohio. president obama in hawaii. >>> today we say aloha to an american hero, the late senator daniel inouye was remembered with full military honors in hawaii. the 88-year-old senator lost his arm in world war ii, he represented hawaii in washington for more than 50 years. president obama and the first lady attended today's service. the president has said inouye was his earliest political inspiration. >>> many gun shop owners say sales have been booming. thousands of north texans visited local gun shows and stores this weekend where the most powerful weapons are costing more than ever. a gun dealer told our affiliate that an assault style weapon ran around $900. this week anywhere from 1500 to $2500 many in just a few minutes my conversation with a gun shop owner, several former police officers and a school safety expert who says the current call for bringing guns into schools for safety is in his words, borderline insane. >>> an estimated 87 million ameri
Dec 23, 2012 10:00pm PST
the fiscal cliff, and that was reflected today on the sunday shows from both democrats and republicans, take a listen. >> passing plan b the other night would not have changed the outcome, we're going to go over the cliff before, we're going to go over the cliff now. you cannot negotiate with someone that doesn't want to negotiate. >> in the aftermath of the house republicans rejecting speaker boehner's plan b, i feel it's more likely we will go over the cliff than not, and that -- if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time. maybe ever in american history. >> officially, the president is expected to be here -- or is supposedly here in hawaii through the new year, i think the expectation at this point is that with congress returning, president obama is likely to go back to washington to oversee things as they move. or as the fiscal cliff comes nearer and the u.s. goes over it. >> can we expect any other lawmakers to step up to the plate and kick start negotiations? what about senate minority leader mitch mcconnel
Dec 29, 2012 6:30pm EST
together a last minute bp deal ahead of monday's midnight deadline for the fiscal cliff. failure could kick the country back into a recession. wyatt andrews is on capitol hill. >> reporter: today the halls of the senate were almost empty, as proposals got traded in private and over the phone. senate minority leader much mcconnell tried to sound upbeat. going to get a deal today sir? >> hope. so. >> reporter: house speaker boehner came to the capitol but left without comment. issue number one in the talks is amending the bush era tax cuts, which if unchanged will expire and raise taxes on all americans. starting tuesday, the average tax hike will be three to 5% per person. >> let's keep taxes exactly where they are on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. >> reporter: the president campaigned to increase taxes only on families making more than $250,000 per year. almost two weeks ago, the president offered a compromise to raise taxes only on income above 400,000, hoping that might win republican support. >> i have gone at least halfway. >> reporter: the senate is also negotiating an exten
FOX News
Dec 28, 2012 4:00pm PST
says tonight there is still time to get a deal done before we fall off the fiscal cliff. and he demanded congress take action now before it's too late. the president spoke in the white house briefing room just about an hour ago now. he was visibly tense. frustration in his voice. >> america wonders why it is in this town for some reason you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. well, we are now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. >> harris: if congress cannot work out a deal, tax hikes, spending cuts will take effect on tuesday of next week. president obama says he is willing to give congress a little time to come up with a compromise but his patience is limited well as is the rest of the country's. ed henry with the news live at the white house. ed, first, a dramatic meeting earlier today at the white house. and then this ultimatum from the president. >> that's right, harris. it was a dramatic exchange. what i'm tol
FOX News
Dec 27, 2012 2:00am PST
days until we fall off that fiscal cliff. the president is cutting his vacation short to return to the white house and try to hammer out a deal. but what will actually happen if we do go over the cliff? doug luzader is live for us with the details. >> it is not going to be pretty. on board air force one heading back to washington from a hawaii after cutting christmas short. can a cup of coffee help as far as christmas is concerned. starbucks is hoping. if you go into a starbucks you will get a message written on your coffee that says come together. this is a company trying to tell the president and lawmakers here they need to come up with some kind of agreement before they go over the fiscal cliff at the end of the year. the senate will be meeting today. this is the first time we have seen legislative business conducted in the weeks between christmas and new years since 1970. the house come back as well but nothing yet. the other thing to consider here the two key players in all of this president obama and republican house speaker john boehner. as far as we know the two of them
FOX News
Dec 26, 2012 10:00am PST
from going over the so-called fiscal cliff. they say if president obama and congress don't make a deal we will almost certainly see a recession. do you buy that, steven? >> the congressional budget office is a nonpartisan group that does this and says we will in fact have an immediate rescission. they say that we come out of a short, sharp recession stronger than we would be if we didn't go into that recession in the first place. we stop borrowing money from the future to prop us up now. we have the immediate problems but in the long term we are in gets shape. that's what they are grappling this. how do they best structure this to do the least amount of damage now but get us to the good economy in the future. >> reporter: if you look up a research paper from the president's own economist you'll find in the long run we are healthier, short run, yeah, it's painful. is that what motivates some of the republicans that, you know, what are called chuckle heads, but maybe in the end they are wisdom heads. >> that is certainly part of the motivation there. the other part of the motivation, and
FOX News
Dec 26, 2012 8:00am PST
to head back to washington and jump-start the fiscal cliff negotiations with congress. talks fell apart before christmas. the deadline now is just days away and there is no deal in sight to avoid the tax hikes and spending cuts set to go into effect january 1st. our juan williams is a fox news political analyst and he joins us today and very quickly, juan, merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas, kelly. kelly: this is daunting task facing congress to avert the so-called fiscal cliff that will set into motion more than $600 billion in drastic and draconian allic tax hikes and spending cuts. that will cause a lot of pain for all americans and does congress have enough time to act on this? >> they do. you know it will be very close and it may in fact go beyond the deadline per se although people are thinking at the moment it is possible to get something done by the end of this week. the key here, kelly, is the senate. we have been so focused on the house, speaker boehner, plan. about, plan b falling apart. now speaker boehner is pointing towards the senate and the white house is pointin
Dec 23, 2012 6:00pm PST
weapons. >> glor: margaret brennan, thank you. there are eight days now until fhe fiscal cliff of big tax increases for most americans. and across-the-board spending cuts in the federal budget. even with congress adjourned and president obama out of town, erme lawmakers today talked about a last minute deal. >> my own belief is what we ought to do is take speaker boehner's last offer, the president's last offer, split the difference. that would be a package of about $2.6 trillion. you couple that with the 1.1 trillion already done. that would be close to the $4 trillion we need to stabilize the debt and begin to bring it down. >> i would vote for revenues, including tax rate hikes even ugh ih i don't like them, to get a-- to save the country from becoming greece, tax rate hikes are part of the solution driven by the president. but he's going to get tax rate hikes. ratey republican colleagues, if we can protect 99% of the american public from a tax hike that is not a tax increase in my books. >> glor: with christmas just two nuys away last minute gift buyers are out. today shopper track sa
Dec 27, 2012 3:00am PST
look at next week and the fiscal cliff presumably happening, going over it, john boehner is supposed to be re-elected speaker on next thursday. >> on the 3rd, yeah. >> is that going to change everything and he's going to say, to hell with this right-wing tail wagging my dog, i don't need you guys anymore? >> no, because the house isn't the only theater of this. there's the senate, of course. we talked briefly about this earlier, but mitch mcconnell has a senate election in 2014. and if there's been one thing that's been noted over the past year, it's these crazy senate challengers have the chance of knocking off a person in the primary. and i'm assuming that mitch mcconnell knows that. >> this is great. this is great. we love this. tension at the convention of both ends of pennsylvania avenue, the white house, congress. this is terrific stuff. kurt, stay with us, okay? can you. we're begging you, begging you. >> you're adding gravitas to this. >>> we'll also bring in nbc news political director, chuck todd, also nbc white house correspo corresponde correspondent. >>> first, dylan dre
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Should I Learn To Program iOS Or Android Devices? 403

HW_Hack writes "In my early career in the '90s I had a hardware tech degree, but also a strong interest in software. I completed software courses in assembly, Pascal, HTML, and C as I prepped for a CS degree. I then got my chance to do hardware design for a major US firm and went that direction for a good 18-year career. I now work in a good sized school district doing IT support work at a large high school. I plan to revive my programming skills this winter so I can write apps for the flood of mobile devices. I am very much platform / OS agnostic and I support on any one day OS X, XP, Win 7, Linux servers, and now iOS as we pilot iPads in our school. My question focuses on three topics: Which programming environment (iOS or Android) is easier to jump into from a technical perspective / number of languages needed to master? Which one has a better SDK ecosystem of documentation, programmer support, and developer community(s)? Where is the market and the money going? I do not expect to get rich doing this, but with my insights into K12 needs I hope I can write effective apps for that market."
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  • Yes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ranger ( 1783 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:30PM (#33698694) Homepage
    you should.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by l0ungeb0y ( 442022 )

      As a developer you'll be far more valuable being able to deliver an app to as many platforms as possible.

      • Re:Yes (Score:5, Informative)

        by object404 ( 1883774 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @06:18PM (#33699484) Homepage
        Learn Flash/Actionscript3/Adobe AIR. It will simply run everywhere. (cue Flash vs HTML5 flame war. off-topic, IE9 ain't coming to XP so screw that -- I'm sick of all the "this will only work on Safari" or "this will only work on Chrome" HTML5 demos. As someone who actually builds stuff for clients instead of just blogging about these technologies, this is a dealbreaker and ***FORWARD*** compatibility headache as Windows XP will never go away for the near future. The original reason I learned Flash coding was because of the bloody headache of cross-browser compatibility.)

        Back on topic, Flash is coming to every single smartphone platform (and even TV set top boxes [yfrog.com]). 19 of the top 20 mobile manufacturers are already part of the consortium Adobe Open Screen Project [openscreenproject.org] and they're working to get Flash running on their respected platforms. Only Steve Jobs didn't sign up for whatever his reasons. Flash is now out on Android, Symbian, Maemo, coming to WinMo 7 (Flash Lite is already out on older versions of WinMo), Blackberry & Palm, definitely on Meego (Nokia Maemo + Intel Moblin).

        Flash CS5 can now be used to make native iPhone apps legally again as per App Store policies (the process is the same as making an Adobe AIR app). Here's a refresher on exporting your AIR project into iOS: Packager for iPhone Refresher [adobe.com].

        There's some surprising current statistics [pcpro.co.uk] to fix one's perspective on the death of Flash by the iOS gadget crowd. Currently 97% of the internet is Flash capable and iOS only has 1.1% share. Of course, the iOS share will increase as more customers buy them, but think of that when building stuff with the widest reach possible. Also, currently, devs seem to be monetizing the most on iOS, but the App store is now *so* *so* *so* saturated that it's hard for a new app to get noticed amidst all the noise.

        Flash 10.1 is already out on Android Froyo (2.2) and AIR for Android is currently in public beta and should come out soon http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/air2/android/ [adobe.com] so Flash is already good to go if you want to target Android.

        Another thing to consider is that Android market share has now overtaken iOS and since there's not enough decent content on the Android and Adobe AIR marketplaces compared to the Apple App Store, if you build a good app on any of those platforms, it's easier to pull in a user base since there isn't much competition yet.

        Your Flash apps would run on Symbian^3 devices which are already out (N8, C3, etc) as they have all Flash Lite 4.0 (A slightly stripped down version of Flash 10 which already runs AVM2 AS3 swfs). In fact, Nokia just launched the $10million Calling All Innovators N8 app contest [callingallinnovators.com] and Flash is one of the formats you can enter in.

        Not only will your apps run on mobile devices if you build 'em in AIR, they will also run on Desktop Linux, Mac & Windows and that is the biggest plus for me. For complaints about the cost of Adobe tools, you can build SWFs and AIR apps from completely Open Source tools. The Flex SDK is FOSS [adobe.com] and you can build apps just with your .AS3 sourcecode + a command line just like with the JDK for Java (or pick any appropriate IDE of your choice to make your life easier). Oh, btw, the commercial Flash Builder is free for students & teachers + developers who're hit by the economic crisis and are currently unemployed -> apply here for license [adobe.com].

        Of course, please don't forget to *optimize* *optimize* *optimize*. Flash is not a slow platform. T
        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by naz404 ( 1282810 )
          Oh, also, for developing on iOS devices like the iPhone, iPod Touch & iPad, think of the environment as closer to game consoles where the owners have very tight grips on which devs can enter. The license & requirements to dev on iOS is much cheaper than compared to applying for Playstation, X-Box, Wii & NDS (and that's why it's also a lot of game developers are switching to iOS).

          Aside from that, a growing number of users are already ditching their PSPs & NDSs for smartphones/PMPs. Nokia
        • Re:Yes (Score:5, Informative)

          by gbjbaanb ( 229885 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @07:46PM (#33700024)

          a fair point, Air is a common-baseline platform to develop for, more ubiquitous than Windows! Develop for Air and you'll be ok no matter where you want to put your apps.

          There is an alternative: Qt.

          It's a more 'serious' development platform requiring C++ skills (that pretty much get compiled to any platform) with a rather easy to use GUI, and now they also have a wonderful QML 'fluid' capabilities where you can extend the 'boring' old GUI with new fancy features very easily.
          It has support on Android (through the Lighthouse project) and all traditional desktops, and all Nokias (of course) with iPhone support being worked on at the moment.

          Its also free for everybody. If you want to develop for multiple platforms without the 'embarrassment' of using Flash, then this could be a way to go.

        • Bollocks (Score:3, Insightful)

          by edxwelch ( 600979 )

          There's something stinky about flash on mobiles. They tried to make it the next big mobile platform before (aka Flashlite) and it flopped.

          Three big flash developers Nitrome, Semi Secret Software and Astro Ape Studios, are rewriting their games for iPhone natively rather than using CS5, because flash is too slow.

          http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30368/InDepth_iOS_Flash_Devs_Cautiously_Optimistic_Of_Apples_New_Tools_Policy.php [gamasutra.com]

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          Which of your bits of anti-HTML5 FUD prevents you from simply offering Chrome Frame to IE users?

          I'd also be curious which demos you've seen which only work on Safari, or only work on Chrome. It seems like they "only" work anywhere except IE, and some even work with newer versions of IE.

          And yes, if you build your apps for AIR, they'll run on modern desktop OSes -- if people install it. Which would make them morons, because if it's really something for which HTML would be a viable alternative, why would I wan

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by tgatliff ( 311583 )

        Other than simple "hello world" type development, most of the time the way you really learn a new platform is by getting a new project and then learning it as you go. Pretty much any senior developer can pickup new platforms with only a slight impact (mostly late nights) in the overall timeline.

        For me personally, I have not been able to get any clients to bite on iOS development, but I found early on that android is an almost ideal OI for industrial automation. Hence, why I currently am only doing androi

        • Not true (Score:5, Insightful)

          by aclarke ( 307017 ) <spam AT clarke DOT ca> on Saturday September 25, 2010 @08:00PM (#33700114) Homepage
          I hear people on /. saying this all the time and I simply don't think it's true. I've been coding post-university for > 14 years so I consider myself a "senior developer". I used to know c way back in the day, and have done some Java coding and a bit of C#, but Objective C still to me isn't "a few late nights" simple.

          Sure, a few late nights will let you pick up the syntax, but the real value of a platform, whether it's JEE, .NET or iOS development, are the libraries and everything that goes beyond the bare syntax. Understanding what method to use where takes a LOT more than just a few late nights. Additionally, every language brings with it its own pitfalls, security issues, etc., that a newbie developer is just not going to pick up right away.

          Sure, after a couple weeks of hard studying you can start to program in a new language. I'm not debating that. Additionally, some languages and environments are going to be easier than others. But the vast majority of developers are not going to be even nearly up to speed on a new language without having a severe impact on the timeline of a project.
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by xtracto ( 837672 )

            Spot on.

            I have been programming since I was 9 years old (LOGO, GWBASIC, Pascal, C, then C++ then Java) around 1988) and if someone asks me in what languages am I fluent I would just say Java, and C, because these are the ones I have used *for work* in the last 5 years (granted, I have also used a plethora other languages ,like PHP, python, ASM, some SQLs and whatnot).

            Some time ago I read an article by Joel Spolsky regarding this topic (can someone whore some Karma by posting the link? plz). The problem is t

    • This. Plus HTML5/Javascript. And even that other technology. Flash may be dying as a percentage of the market, but it's dying slowly even from that perspective. And the market is growing fast enough that even "dying" means growth. Hell, Cobol's been dying for 50 years now. Not that I'm suggesting learning cobol.

      Point is, web apps don't solve everything, but they do solve some problems very nicely, and they're powerful enough now with Webkit (on iOS and Android and WebOS) that you can even use them
      • You're lucky. My son would touch the screen a few times, and then try to eat the damn thing. That's how my Storm died, and my wife's phone. He was 6 months at the time
    • Re:Yes (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:46PM (#33698812)
      No no no!

      Microsoft Windows Phone 7 is coming out in just a couple of months and just as Microsoft has done on the desktop with superior choices like Windows NT, they will quickly dominate the mobile front as well. Microsoft Windows Phone 7 is programmed completely in the industry leading .net programming language and augmented with the unmatched Silverlight technology providing an unrivaled technological platform with which you will only be limited by your imagination for the applications you can develop. Why play around with a tired platform like ios or android (an operating system only tech geeks can use and understand), when you can go with the undisputed leader in computer technology that is Microsoft. Furthermore, the MetroUI as seen on the ZuneHD audio player makes androd and ios look like sad anachronistic throwbacks. No serious developer will even touch aple and googls stuff when Microsoft Windows Phone 7 is unleashed.

    • Re:Yes (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Ronin Developer ( 67677 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:47PM (#33698822)

      Having the knowledge to develop for both platforms is a wise idea. There are some who think that Apple's proprietary-ness will lead them to their doom. I don't think that's the case at all. I know that with "walled garden" of iOS, my apps are checked for proper behavior before being placed in the wild. And, there is a system in place to sell apps and collect revenue. Granted, Apple takes a nice slice for the privilege - but its a thriving environment.

      The language you need to learn is currently Objective-C. Apple has recently changed their development tool policy - so, expect other languages to become available that cross compile down to Objective-C. We'll see. Documentation is very good and there are plenty of 3rd party books out there also.

      Android requires Java and knowledge of the Android SKD. It also has a large community following. Gartner groups predicts that by 2014, Android based phones will outsell iOS phones - simply because it will be on more platforms.

      Android has a hidden danger - malware has already been found in the wild that attack Android phones. And, if the code keeps forking for each device type out there, you will have to know all the nuances of a given platform. This is something you don't have to worry about too much with iOS. I am not familiar with the selling of Android apps - how that ecosystem works - maybe, somebody else can expound on that.

      A third contender will be Microsoft with Windows Phone 7. We'll have to see if their system catches on - the first devices are due out in October. It may be too late for them.

      Blackberry? Well, they have too many devices and versions of their OS. Testing our app for Blackberry required the hiring of service to provide access to test devices and separate builds for each device type. I would discourage Blackberry development.

      If you plan to sell to your services to the business world, learn both environments. There's where the money is to be made - the days of the "big app" making your a zillionaire are pretty much gone.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Blackberry? Well, they have too many devices and versions of their OS. Testing our app for Blackberry required the hiring of service to provide access to test devices and separate builds for each device type. I would discourage Blackberry development.

        Blackberry has made device emulators freely available for many years.

        Blackberry has had documentation and an SDK freely available for close to a decade.

        Blackberry puts no restrictions on how you sell or distribute your applications.

      • Re:Yes (Score:5, Informative)

        by bm_luethke ( 253362 ) <luethkeb&comcast,net> on Saturday September 25, 2010 @06:49PM (#33699674)

        "Android has a hidden danger - malware has already been found in the wild that attack Android phones."

        So does the iPhone - there have even been a few that have made it to the front pages of Slashdot. One of the Apple "hidden dangers", as you call them, is some strange confidence that Apple doesn't have these bugs and people act accordingly. Indeed their PDF reader had a remote root exploit that makes any and all Android exploits pale in comparison. Heck, even *the store itself* has been compromised on at least one occasion (most likely by multiple different people too) and a large number of unauthorized purchases initiated by said intruders.

        However, that really doesn't matter that much with respect to what environment to learn and frankly matters little to most people (note how many use Windows). If you want to develop mobile application then it would be suggested that you learn iOS, Android, and RIM.

    • this is the correct answer.

    • Re:Yes (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Ranger ( 1783 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @05:52PM (#33699310) Homepage
      Actually, I'm learning HTML5, CSS3 and JavaScript. What I want to do on mobile platforms doesn't require an app.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by aliquis ( 678370 )

      you should.

      Good enough, didn't answer much of his questions as far as languages, communities, environments, market and so on though.

      Also what about QT? 4.7 just came out:
      http://qt.nokia.com/products/whats-new-in-qt/ [nokia.com]

    • Re:Yes (Score:5, Interesting)

      by dr-alves ( 1612081 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @06:32PM (#33699566)

      As a developer:
      - Android is way easier than iOS.
      - ActionScript is the place when good language design went to die

      As a user
      - iOS apps, if designed natively, are extremely hard to beat in terms of responsiveness, beauty and general "native feeling"

      As a vendor
      - Flash is the common denominator, i.e., it may commoditize the platform, but I've yet to see a flash based app that looks as good as the best native apps
      - Android will have a bigger user base but a worse monetization mechanism than iOS, i.e., more users but which consume less (more due to the neglect of the market than otherwise).

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by naz404 ( 1282810 )

        - ActionScript is the place when good language design went to die

        You're talking about ActionScript 1. You should check out ActionScript 3, the current iteration. It's for all intents and purposes, the same syntax as JAVA. ActionScript 2 is a variant of JavaScript (it's an ECMAScript implementation).

  • Android (Score:2, Insightful)

    by incubuz1980 ( 450713 )

    iPhone is too proprietary it is a dead end.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by bennomatic ( 691188 )
      Sounds like someone's been drinking the goog-aide!
    • Re:Android (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:44PM (#33698794)

      Yes, iPod touches, iPhones and iPads still haven't really caught on with the mainstream consumer yet. Consumers can regularly be seen debiting the merits of a cell phone based on the openness of the product - not the functionality or usability. I believe Apple has sold some product units but i'm expecting all the millions of owners to ditch their iDevices any day now simply because Android is less proprietary.

    • Re:Android (Score:5, Insightful)

      by bigstrat2003 ( 1058574 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @05:31PM (#33699164)
      I wouldn't say "dead end", but the fact remains that as long as Apple has capricious and arbitrary rules for their app store (which, knowing them, will probably be until the end of time), iOS development is a risk. There is a very real possibility that your app which you invest hard work into will be rejected for no real reason. At least on Android, you can sell your app to people even if it is removed from the market for some reason (and far less apps are unjustly removed from the Android market than Apple's app store).
    • Re:Android (Score:5, Insightful)

      by DurendalMac ( 736637 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @05:58PM (#33699346)
      Saying it doesn't make it true. You know what? END USERS DON'T GIVE A DAMN. FOSS advocates need to come to grips with that. They don't give a crap if it's open or not. They want it to be simple and do what they want, and for most consumers, the iPhone fits the bill. Android may also fit for a lot of folks. Also, iPhone users spend more money on apps than Android users, so it's certainly not a dead end.

      What is it about open source zealots that utterly blinds them to reality? FOSS is all fine and dandy, but end users usually don't know or don't give a damn. They'll buy whatever they think is nifty.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        But developers do, and they're the ones who write the apps. What the "end users" think is irrelevant, they'll end up having to chose the platform the developers adopt.

        There's only one reason to develop for iOS: you're retarded. At this point, you're facing a situation where you can do all the development you want, develop something Steve Jobs has actively solicited (like an iOS equivalent of Hypercard), develop something people really want, and have your app blocked by some id

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by znerk ( 1162519 )

        FOSS is all fine and dandy, but end users usually don't know or don't give a damn.

        ... because FOSS advocates aren't end users? Interesting viewpoint...

  • Go Android (Score:5, Insightful)

    by log0n ( 18224 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:34PM (#33698724)

    If you don't already have a Mac, iOS requires Apple hardware for development. You also need to learn objective-C which doesn't get much play outside of a Mac environment. None of that is bad, just a hurdle.

    Personally, while iOS is currently ahead of Android (user base, # of devs, apps, etc) I think before long it's going to start playing catch up to Android. Android has got a lot of momentum.

    • by Wovel ( 964431 )

      Kind of depends if this is a hobby or he wants to make money at it. There is very , very little money in Android apps atm, and that is unlikely to change any time soon.

    • Go iOS. (Score:3, Funny)

      by MikeFM ( 12491 )

      I'd suggest iOS because it is harder to learn meaning you have less competition and more is a more unified platform meaning more potential customers will have easy access to buying your app.

      Also people who buy Android tend to be cheaper, thus buying the cheaper Android devices, and are less likely to spend a lot of money on apps.

      Of course why not learn both. Android is pretty easy to learn and most of the time it isn't difficult to port an app from iOS to Android or vice versa. Sure they're different langua

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by gnasher719 ( 869701 )

      If you don't already have a Mac, iOS requires Apple hardware for development.

      Another good reason to develop for iOS.

  • Learn them both. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by brion ( 1316 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:34PM (#33698726) Homepage
    Working with both systems will give you a deeper understanding of each, as well as allowing you to sell to a larger customer base, should that be something that appeals to you.
    • Working with both systems will give you a deeper understanding of each

      I think that's really true regarding computer languages. It's a great idea to know a lot of different languages.

      But when talking about whole platforms, it's very hard to work with both systems, and become proficient in one. I think there's a lot of value to mastering a system so you can REALLY understand it and perform well developing for it.

      If for some reason you need to switch platforms, the experience you gain knowing what works well

  • by Planesdragon ( 210349 ) <slashdot@castl e s t e elstone.us> on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:34PM (#33698728) Homepage Journal

    You should never, EVER think platform, then app. Think audience, application, and THEN learn what you need.

    Your school district is using iPads? Then learn iOS. You have an android phone at home, or have java experience? Learn Android. You want to just make something work? Get the Android, iOS, and WebOS SDKs, and test like @#% so your mobile phone works everywhere. (Heck, get Blackberry and windows mobile if you can.)

    • by ndogg ( 158021 )

      The parent is quite right on this. That said...

      I know this isn't popular here on slashdot, but being able to target both should be pretty easy using Mono. MonoTouch [monotouch.net] is already out there, and is a well proven technology, and MonoDroid [monodroid.net] should be out soon. Just remember to keep the business logic of the app separate from platform specifics.

      Or, you could just stick to C, which will work on both platforms as well.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by rrossman2 ( 844318 )
      Haven't really played with it yet, but you can get the BlackBerry Dev tools for free. They provide a plug-in for Eclipse to develop the Java apps for BlackBerrys, even provide tutorials, examples, and even phone simulators. Granted it's not the platform you're looking into, but I know Symbian phones will run MIDP java apps (they have the full stack in the S60/S80 OS), so an app that will run on a BB *should* also run on a Symbian phone. I'm not sure if an MIDP app would also run on an android or not... but
    • by EEPROMS ( 889169 )
      Android platform also supports programming in C/C++, to be honest I looked at Dalvik (java like language) and decided after some experimentation to go with C/C++. In my case the applications ran very smooth and others have reported when they ported from dalvik to c/c++ the apps ran faster.

  • Yes (Score:2, Insightful)

    by shriphani ( 1174497 )
    You definitely should. One of the biggest benefits of building apps for mobile phones is that you don't need to market your app - the app stores are excellent distribution channels and your app isn't stuck out there waiting to be discovered by the masses for the next 20 years. Major indie mac developers have made the switch to the iPhone and now more actively focus on iOS devices than they do on the Mac. This is a general trend. Smartphones' potential is still being discovered. Try to profit from the gold r
    • And of course, you'll lose years of your career and maybe your house if you try this. The mobile application market is wildly overpopulated with "brilliant ideas" that founder on small but fatal flaws, ranging from poor user interfaces to being blocked by the apps stores for arbitrary and unpredictable policy reasons, to simple theft by a larger vendor who can undercut your price and merge their development work with other work and undercut you.

      Get out of the "mobile device development" marketplace unless y

  • More is more (Score:4, Insightful)

    by wombatmobile ( 623057 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:36PM (#33698742)

    Why not aim to learn both iOS and Android? You'll please more people and incur the wrath of less. If you pick just one, you have to deal with the tens of percents that can't run your apps, which is difficult.

    Yes, it will take more time and effort to learn to environments, but not much more. Most of your time will be spent designing and testing the apps, not implementing code.

  • Yes. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by morgan_greywolf ( 835522 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:36PM (#33698748) Homepage Journal

    Yes. You should hedge your bets and learn both. The smartphone wars are far from over, and most smartphone content producers are releasing for, at the very least, both iOS and Android. Some also simultaneously release for Blackberry and Windows Mobile as well.

    Each platform has its relative strengths and weaknesses. Writing code on Android pretty much means learning Java; similarly, writing code on iOS pretty much means learning Objective C. Neither language is likely to become obsolete very soon. The startup costs for writing code on Android are a bit lower; you don't need to buy anything to write Android apps. If you expect to write iOS apps, you need a Mac and you need XCode. On Android, you need Eclipse and the Android Eclipse SDK.

    But, like I said, I wouldn't learn just one.

    • Re:Yes. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by catbutt ( 469582 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:48PM (#33698826)
      As someone who has learned both, I don't suggest this approach for most. Especially if you are just getting back into programming. There is an immense amount to learn for both, and much of the knowledge does not carry over. They are very different.

      I suggest picking one of them and learning it well. If you make something that seems to have potential, hire someone to port it -- or then take the time to learn another platform.

      Just my suggestion. Trying to learn both at once can be quite overwhelming.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Radtoo ( 1646729 )
      There actually are more viable language choices. Android can not just support Java, but JVM languages - which is an important distinction. Want something like Lisp? try Clojure. Want something like Haskell or Java? Try Scala. Also, it supports C/C++. There is also fairly good support for scripting languages (Python, Perl, JRuby, Lua, BeanShell, JavaScript, Tcl, and shell) at the moment, though the scripting languages cannot currently do everything and run more slowly. Even more languages are supported throu
  • Point and click utility apps are relatively simple to do on the android. If you are targeting high performance applications such as 3d games the IPhone clearly owns that space.

  • by niw3 ( 1029008 )
    must be flagged as flamebait.
    • No, it's an opportunity for sensible debate. In other words, I disagree with you, but I am pretty certain that you're not a Nazi baby killer vegan.
  • Schools seem to like the iDevices. If schools are your target market, that's a safe way to go. Do I dislike Android? Absolutely not, it's Linux for the masses. It just hasn't caught on as well with schools as teaching devices yet. It will get there at some point!
  • Pick one main platform to begin with, but write your app in a portable fashion so that it compiles and runs on two or more. Writing portable code improves code quality even if you only intend to deploy on one platform.

    Also, it's easier to learn another platform "as you go along" rather than putting it off until some arbitrary time in the future.

    • by catbutt ( 469582 )
      The only way to do this is using javascript/html/css and doing all your work in a web view component. Then you can have a small amount of objective-c and java code to support it on the respective devices.

      This is not such a bad idea (and has the side benefit of being easy to put all or part of your app on the web so it can be run without installing anything), but has disadvantages too. Many things will be slow or clunky compared to a natively written app.
  • Personally, Android (Score:4, Informative)

    by ResQuad ( 243184 ) * <slashdot AT konsoletek DOT com> on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:41PM (#33698782) Homepage

    I'm not a hardcore programmer (PHP/Perl... lite stuff), but I thought it would be fun to try out mobile app development. I happened to have an iPhone, mac, etc... so I started there. Even with the books and intro material, I found it very difficult to get into. My C and similar is very rusty, so that was part of the problem. For the heck of it, I tried android and that was MUCH easier to get into. My Java was never great, but better than my C - which again - helped. All in all, I much more enjoyed the experience of working on the Android platform because it tended to have lower barriers to entry (less hardware, less software, etc), be easier (Java _is_ a simpler language) and be fun.

    Though get a good book for android. Last I checked, the official docs online from Google were for like 1.0-1.5 and we're on 2.2. In short, horribly out of date (usable in some cases, but out of date).

    • by wembley fraggle ( 78346 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @05:13PM (#33699040) Homepage

      There is a great iPhone application programming course on iTunesU, which includes an introduction to ObjC and rapidly moves into powerful programming techniques for iOS. Better yet, it uses a lot of the examples from the SDK as the course material (there's no book), and the slides are provided as part of the program. It's all free to boot. Definitely worth watching for a good introduction to the platform. Plus, it's all free.

      It's the Stanford University CS 193P, iPhone Application Programming, Spring 2010 course that I watched.

      • by chartreuse ( 16508 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @06:51PM (#33699692) Homepage

        Ditto. Though I see it's Winter 2010. They did it last year, too, though a) I don't know that it's available now, and b) the iOS platform itself evolves quickly enough that capabilities and best practices have changed since then.

        If you sign up for the developer program ($100/yr, and necessary to put your code on the device instead of the simulator) you can also get access to videos of sessions from the developer's conference for free and get advice straight from the horse's mouth.

        I'd also recommend getting a book or two. I'd recommend O'Reilly's C Pocket Reference if you're rusty in C. Erica Sadun's iPhone Developer's Cookbook, Second Edition covers a lot that you'd need, though the way she organizes her code can make it difficult to reuse if you're just starting out. I can dis-recommend the Sam's "24 hour" iPhone programming book, unless it's been revised and corrected -- it's almost as likely to hinder you as help.

        You'd also inevitably be using Apple's own SDK documentation, which can be quite overwhelming to begin with, and web searches both at Apple's developer forums and at large on error messages and class/method names are often fruitful once you get a handle on iOS.

        I'd estimate it would take one month of spare time to get your bearings, and 2-3 to really know what you're doing. What can blindside you is that a lot of advanced graphics and sound applications -- games, for example -- require some C++ afaik. (So much for my plans for avoiding it.)

  • The main thing you need to get used to in Objective-C (for iOS) is an extra square-bracket syntax for calling an object's methods. It's not really so much like calling a method in Object Pascal / C++ OOP. It's more like sending a message in Smalltalk. It allows for very late binding and unbinding. In that sense, it has the flexibility of coding in JavaScript, but in a compiled language. Also it's VERY supportive of MVC, which you can use to increase the flexibility of your apps.

    By they way, you're platfo
  • This answer will probably get modded down into oblivion, but get Flash CS5, and you can write for both with the same code. See: http://blogs.adobe.com/cantrell/archives/2010/04/one_application_five_screens.html [adobe.com]

    I believe there are other code platforms that are write once run everywhere, in case you have an allergic reaction to Flash.

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @04:57PM (#33698900)

    First of all, given a C base you'll probably be a little more comfortable with Objective-C, because you can fall back on C when you need to. The language itself is a superset and the superset is a really different mindset than C itself is, but it's a very nice OO language with some great features.

    But also, currently iOS has a ton of awesome educational material. Apple itself provides a lot of documentation, and if you pay the $99/year fee to develop for devices (you should) then you also get all of the videos from the past developer conference, plus of course there's the free iTunesU videos from Stanford on iPhone development.

    There are also a ton of third party books and at this point probably local Cocoaheads groups you could attend meeting with questions.

    I think for some time to come Apple is going to be the leader in the space of mobile development, but especially around education - there are a lot of kids applications on the iPhone and Pad and a ton of parents are buying these devices in part so that kids can use them. I have been astounded at how fast this has happened, especially with the iPad.

  • by Rix ( 54095 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @05:08PM (#33698982)

    Apple is making exactly the same mistakes they made in the early desktop market: they're refusing to license their software to more nimble hardware manufacturers, so they'll get passed over.

    • Apple is making exactly the same mistakes they made in the early desktop market: they're refusing to license their software to more nimble hardware manufacturers, so they'll get passed over.

      Go ask Palm how licensing their mobile OS worked out for them. The fact this strategy worked for MS back in the 90's doesn't mean it'll work now.
      Here's a fun quote about that kind of thinking I read once : "Those who learn history are doomed to try and repeat it."

      • by Rix ( 54095 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @05:53PM (#33699312)

        If you're talking about the old PalmOS. The original Palm company was sold to 3M with the provision that Handspring (composed of the people who originally built and ran Palm) would get a license to continue building products with it. Third parties were never allowed to produce PalmOS devices.

        It's not just Microsoft's strategy. All the old UNIX vendors withered under Linux, which could be run on commodity hardware.

        There will never be one hardware vendor to rule them all. It just doesn't work that way. If you insist on tying a platform to a single vendor, it will die.

    • by itsdapead ( 734413 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @07:07PM (#33699824)

      Apple is making exactly the same mistakes they made in the early desktop market: they're refusing to license their software to more nimble hardware manufacturers.

      Here's a clue: which of the early makers of desktop computers survived the Wintel monoculture of the late 80s and 90s and is still an influential, if minority, platform today? Hint - it begins with "A". What happened to CP/M and GEM, MSX and Unix which were licensed to multiple manufacturers?

      Anyway, Apple have already tried that. Twice, actually: Apple with "classic" Mac OS and Steve Jobs with NeXTStep before he returned to Apple. That went well, didn't it?

      What has worked spectacularly since the release of the iMac in 1998 is tying the software to premium-priced "designer label" hardware (but not quite as premium-priced as the old NeXT cubes). But you're right - Apple should drop their winning formula and go with the one that has already been proven to fail.

      The fly in the ointment is that "more nimble hardware manufacturers" don't care whether they ship machines with Windows or MacOS as long as they make their money (usually by selling upgrades, peripherals, extended warranties and finance rather than the computers themselves). They'll be more than happy to attract custom from existing Apple converts, cannibalizing Apple's sales, Windows users to switch. So you've got guaranteed cannibalization of Apple's existing sales but no guarantee whatsoever that the clone-makers and their resellers will aggressively promote MacOS to Windows users. Look at Dell and Asus's feeble efforts to sell Linux-based machines...

  • If you already know C then it makes sense to jump into iOS programming. There are also a lot of really good resources from Apple to get you started :

    - The iOS Dev Center [apple.com] has very extensive documentation on everything from the OjectiveC language to Apple's GUI guidelines and everything in between.
    - There's a Stanford iPhone programming course [stanford.edu] you can download for free on iTunesU along with slides, assignments, etc. which is excellent.
    - Very active userbase around the web, if you have a problem just Google it

  • remain agnostic (Score:3, Insightful)

    by metalmaster ( 1005171 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @05:29PM (#33699152)
    Choose sides, and you will surely lose at the end of the day. Apple's iDominance will die out. Android will fork to the point of there being a new distro daily. The best way to remain relevant is to develop the core ideas behind your application THEN learn how to implement them using the tools at hand. Consumers care about what works. Lets face it, what works today might not work tomorrow.
  • I suggest you target HTML5 instead. With it and some JavaScript you can create apps for both of those, as well as webOS and desktops. Learn a skillset that's not tied to a particular vendor. I'm personally not a fan of Java and Objective C (which isn't -required- for iOS but is the de facto standard) is way too niche. This isn't to say that you shouldn't try those languages out. Learning new languages and tools is great for a programmer.
  • by Pedrito ( 94783 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @05:48PM (#33699258)
    If you're only going to learn one, go Android. Java is reusable in other environments and frankly, it's just easier.

    My personal opinion is that Objective C is pretty tedious and annoying. The syntax is ugly and non-intuitive. Again, this is my personal opinion. But having done years of C, C++, C#, I find it bizarre that Objective C syntax is non-obvious. Not that it is particularly complex, but if you know C++, Java and C# seem pretty obvious, whereas Objective C is just very different in syntax.

    Finally, Java is platform agnostic. Objective C has few platforms that it's good for and you have to buy Apple hardware to build iPhone apps which to me is plain stupid and I think in the long run, it's going to be one of the things to hurt the iPhone.

    Just my own opinions based on my experience with both. I sat down and immediately started writing Android apps using the SDK and simulator with no previous Java experience. Even after several days of playing with existing iPhone apps, I had difficulty even following what was happening in the code, understanding the stuff I was seeing in the watch windows, and figuring out exactly what the various syntactical crap meant.
    • Objective C... syntax is ugly and non-intuitive

      It is, which is somewhat unfortunate, but it's more or less by design to maintain compatibility.

      Because ObjC is orthogonal to C/C++ it can't use any of the traditional notation. It's perfectly legal to mix a standard method call:
      with a ObjC message:
              [obj2 method: argument];
      in the same file.

    • by maccodemonkey ( 1438585 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @08:54PM (#33700400)

      "My personal opinion is that Objective C is pretty tedious and annoying. The syntax is ugly and non-intuitive. Again, this is my personal opinion. But having done years of C, C++, C#, I find it bizarre that Objective C syntax is non-obvious. Not that it is particularly complex, but if you know C++, Java and C# seem pretty obvious, whereas Objective C is just very different in syntax."

      How is it not obvious? Your complaint seems to be that it is different, while admittedly not complex. Different != not obvious.

      Objective C is an old language, and when it came out, it was a possible competitor to the still pretty shiny and new C++. It's an old enough language, that when Java was written, Java took a lot of cues from Obj-C. Apple didn't go out of their way to make a different language because back when Obj-C was created there wasn't a standard syntax for OOP programming.

      Obj-C is dead simple, and honestly, not confusing if you take the time to learn it. However, it seems many people these days are afraid of languages that look different and immediately write it off, when it's pretty gosh darn elegant. Every time I ask people why they dislike Obj-C, they can't get any further than the brackets. It just amazes me how many people write off iOS because they think Obj-C is hard (which, alone, is mind numbing, considering the biggest draw of OS X on the desktop for software engineers is how easy Obj-C is compared to C++).

      If the ability to learn is dead in software engineering, we're all in a lot of trouble.

  • From a technical perspective, I'm impressed by both platforms.

    Be aware however that deployment of iOS applications to the general public may only be done with Apple's approval of your specific application. And unless you are targeting jailbroken phones, all revenue must pass through Apple. They may choose to reject an app for reasons stated in their developer agreement, or for unstated reasons: http://www.macworld.com/article/151680/2010/06/myframe_rejection.html [macworld.com]

    The Android market's terms are more lenient

  • The vast majority of applications you COULD write would work just fine as web applications. If you want to reach the largest audience with the least API-lock-in, think HTML/Javascript. Frameworks like Sancha, Worklight, Sproutcore, Phonegap, Rhodes, and jQueryMobile are providing an extremely good API that allows you to target the web browser so that you not only can have users on iOS and Android, but also Blackberry, Symbian, Windows Mobile, webOS, and any other touch-based web browser.

    These frameworks a

  • by shutdown -p now ( 807394 ) on Saturday September 25, 2010 @07:48PM (#33700036) Journal

    If you want the money, go for iOS.

    Otherwise, if you are a FOSS adept, go for Android.

    Otherwise, if you have a Mac already, go for iOS.

    Otherwise, go for Android.

  • by HW_Hack ( 1031622 ) on Sunday September 26, 2010 @12:03AM (#33701098)

    I want to thank the Slashdot community for comments - suggestions - perspective - etc. And yes even the zingers - diatribes - and "in my opinion .." posts. I knew this could be considered a flame-bait post but i have to be honest here ... I don't even own a iPhone or smart phone or an android device. So parts of this market are not obvious to me. However I have been testing/using an iPad for our school district and it has impressed me. I'll also say Apple got as many things wrong in the iPad as they got right. And I have so far only cursory insights into the SDKs for either device.

    So this was a post to help me gather more input. While I was indeed swayed towards android briefly --- I will take a serious shot this Fall - Winter - Spring coding in iOS environment. This is partially driven by my current work in K12 (Apple and i-devices have a strong pull) but also because Apple understands that average consumers don't care whats "under the hood" (open or closed environments) they just want easy to use devices and a "safe" one stop shopping place for apps. For all their faults - Apple has had the "corporate fortitude" to build the iTunes realm and foresight to make the app store. This is the part of the android ecosystem I find most concerning. There is no doubt Google could pull such things off if they focused on it, but IMHO Google doesn't want to invest the effort into it.

    Thanks for the all the fish ...

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