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    Flash player randomly crashes computer

    kevin_i Level 1

      Hi everyone.  My recently built computer crashes every now and then when viewing Flash content and I can't figure out what the root of the problem is.  Any ideas or advice would be greatly appreciated.

      Problem occurs both with Firefox browser plug-in (version and stand alone Flash player (version 10.0 r45) playing content offline.

      I have MSIE 8, but I uninstalled the Flash plug-in for it.  Chrome is installed and has the Flash plug-in, but I rarely use it.

      Crashes seem to be completely random and unrelated to the content itself -- it could be simple animation or video, Actionscript or no Actionscript.

      Multiple visits or plays of the same content may be perfectly fine, then suddenly the next time the computer crashes .  After displaying the content for about a second, the screen just goes black and the computer reboots.  No entry in the system Event Log.

      Computer specs:

      - Core i7 930 2.8GHz

      - 3GB RAM (performed full memtest and found no errors)

      - Windows XP Professional SP3 (fully updated)

      - NVidia GeForce 8400 GS graphics card (latest driver installed)

      - Running Avast 4.8 (anti-virus) and Zone Alarm 9.1.7 (firewall)

      Really hoping someone can help me figure this out.

        • 1. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
          370H55V Level 4

          How extensive is the "crash"?

          Does Explorer freeze up? or do you get a BSOD?

          Does it go to a black screen?

          And lastly, are there any error messages or does it just quit?

          • 2. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
            kevin_i Level 1

            Hi and thanks for the reply.  To answer your questions:

            > How extensive is the "crash"?

            The computer simply and suddenly reboots, and I lose anything I was working on.

            >  Does  Explorer freeze up? or do you get a BSOD?

            I don't use MSIE except for testing web sites, and I don't have the Flash plug-in installed for MSIE.

            No BSOD.  Just a sudden reboot.

            > Does it go to a black screen?

            The computer suddenly reboots so the monitor loses the video signal and goes black, displaying a "NO SIGNAL" message.

            > And lastly,  are there any error messages or does it just quit?

            No error messages at all and nothing is recorded in the system Event Log.

            After the reboot, I can go back to the same content and it will usually display fine.

            It can also happen with content I've created when playing with the standalone Flash player.  Because it's my own content, I know what's in it and there should be nothing strange to cause a crash.  It happens even with simple frame animation and motion tweens.

            • 3. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
              pwillener MVP & Adobe Community Professional

              One thing to check

              • 4. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                kevin_i Level 1

                Thanks.  Good idea.

                The problem is not repeatable, so I'll uncheck it and wait and see.

                But in the meantime, if anyone has any other ideas, please let me know.

                • 5. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                  Jochem van Dieten Level 4

                  The only parts of a computer that have enough privileges to crash a system are the hardware, the kernel and drivers. So what is happening is that (most likely) Flash is triggering a problem in one of those. The biggest suspect here are the video drivers, so check you have the latest video drivers from your vendor.

                  • 6. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                    Sreejesh Level 1

                    I'm on Windows Vista/Firefox and My PC Crashes too.  But it happens only while playing games for some time. And those files open in other PCs without any problem. Any help would be appreciated

                    • 7. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                      Jochem van Dieten Level 4

                      As I explained, this is not really a Flash issue but an issue in the privileged parts of the system: the Operating System and the drivers. So to debug this you need to look at it from the point of view of a Windows crash instead of the point of view of a Flash crash. The best explanation I have found for the process of identifying what is wrong is http://www.networkworld.com/news/2005/041105-windows-crash.html That page is a bit old, but the principles for that have remained the same over the years and across Windows versions. (Indeed, although all the tools have completely different names, the same process even applies to Linux and Mac OS X.)

                      As this is a Windows issue and not a Flash issue there is really not much we can do to help. If you get stuck with the process try the resources listed in the article or else try on the Microsoft support forums.

                      • 8. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                        kevin_i Level 1

                        Thanks.  I do have the latest drivers installed for the video card and motherboard.

                        I also have a Core2Duo with the exact same GeForce 8400 GS and same driver, which has never crashed when displaying Flash content.

                        I'll try the debugging tool and see if it turns up anything next time.

                        • 9. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                          eidnolb onlyone Level 5

                          Hi kevin, I sort of feel left out in this discussion:-) You said that you were having these problems both with IE & FF.

                          You also said you had uninstalled the IE8 "plug-in" . You should have in your All addons the Shockwave Flash Object...ActiveX Control...Flash10e.ocx(version installed and Enabled. This is the Control that works with your Flash Files for IE.

                          Same thing with Firefox, check the plug-ins for the SWF vs it must be there and Enabled. And this works with your Flash Files for Firefox & Chrome.

                          Just thot I'd mention that as something to check.

                          • 10. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                            kevin_i Level 1

                            Hi, Eidnolb.

                            I do have v10.0.45.2 installed for Firefox, which is my main web browser.

                            I only use MSIE8 for testing web sites and had previously uninstalled the Flash plug-in for IE.  I never re-installed the plug-in, so I don't think IE is relevant to the crashing problem.

                            • 11. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                              370H55V Level 4

                              I drive a 41 year old VW beetle. (Just what the hell does that have to do with a PC crash? you ask).

                              Occasionally, it used to just die in traffic. No sputter, no misfiring, no warning, one second running, the next it was dead.

                              An old man I know told me that "when a car just dies suddenly like that, it's always electrical. You've got a bad connection somewhere and it comes undone randomly, killing the car."

                              I went through my wiring for days and I found a bad connection inside my distributor. I fixed it with a soldered joint and the car hasn't died like that in three years. The old man was right.

                              How does this apply here? Well, there are some hard and fast rules in troubleshooting PCs just as there are in cars. Here's one:

                              When a PC (or Mac) just goes to a black screen and reboots... a "hard reboot" if you will, it's almost NEVER software related, but more than 95% of the time it can be traced to the processor, and a heat problem. The other 5% is usually a power supply and the same heat problem.

                              Since November, I've watched two desktops, a laptop, and my G5 iMac do this. Not one of those four systems is running anymore. They all had one thing in common. There was dust, or lint in the cooling fins over the processor, limiting airflow, and causing the chip to overheat, especially when running resource intensive applications. That's why it appeared that video editing or playback software was the culprit when it was simply the catalyst.

                              You need to get your processor checked before it gives the ghost up altogether. Also work on a better cooling system for it.

                              And in my original post I should have specified Windows Explorer, not IE. Sorry for that.

                              • 12. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                kevin_i Level 1

                                Hi and thanks for the reply.  I forgot to mention that heat and/or lack of power was another thing that came to mind... but I'm inclined to rule those out.

                                The case is very well ventilated with a dedicated vent and funnel for the CPU cooling fan.  Nothing obstructing the intake or exhaust grille areas.

                                I do not overclock and most of the time the CPU is running at around 8% to 12% on normal Flash playback.  I also do video and rendering work and even when the CPU is running at close to 100% it has never crashed on non-Flash content.

                                The power supply is a 550W unit which should be more than enough.  I haven't tried swapping the power supply yet since it would mean purchasing a new one just to test a long shot theory.  Besides, the crashes only occur on Flash content, and even very mundane Flash content at that.

                                • 13. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                  370H55V Level 4

                                  Is there a local shop that can "bench check" your processor? or the whole MoBo?

                                  Because from what you describe, this is DEFINITELY a hardware problem.

                                  • 14. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                    kevin_i Level 1

                                    Even with hardware acceleration turned off, my computer just crashed again when opening a page with a Flash banner ad.

                                    I guess I should try to find someplace that can bench check my system.

                                    Any idea what that entails?  Otherwise, is there anything that can be done at home with diagnostic software?

                                    • 15. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                      370H55V Level 4

                                      Wish I had a good suggestion until you can get a bench check.

                                      Best I can think of is to pull the processor and make sure it's really clean (and the receiver too) before putting it back in the receiver.

                                      Double check the whole MoBo for lint and look for signs of overheating.

                                      Check your RAM to be sure it's fully seated in the DIMM slot(s) and check all PCMCIA and AGP devices to be sure they are all seated and dust/lint free.

                                      • 16. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                        Justincade Level 1

                                        Hi Kevin,

                                        Just wanted you to know I'm in the same boat as you.  Completely random restarts of the system, as in it might take ten minutes or ten hours.  Memory tests fine, games are a-ok, the processor is super-cool (usually  at about 45 degrees Celsius at the time of a crash).  I first thought it was my video card (which is a 5770-- a whipping boy to  begin with) but after the dozens of "fixes" didn't work (old drivers, new drivers, different idle clocks/voltage, etc.) it didn't seem like the video card anymore.  Then I thought it was related to chipset drivers.  After updating all my drivers, I was still getting the problem.  I've been completely perplexed and a little maddened as this is the first time I've ever had problems like this.  So I just let the crashes happen and I've gathered computer info as best I can, since except for an occasional freeze there is no BSOD or meaningful info in the event viewer.

                                        Then I noticed it happened while clicking on a flash button, then later it happened while scrolling on a page that had a flash chart.  Soon I noticed a pattern.  It happens only when I've got Firefox open, and only when  there is some sort of Flash app running (usually multiple apps in different tabs).  I've disabled the Flash and haven't had the crash while it's been disabled, but that's no way to surf so I'm looking for a solution.  I do understand the Volkswagen Beetle analogy and can appreciate that it still might be a non-software issue, but since it doesn't happen when Flash is disabled I'm at a loss to explain.  If the only time your VW stopped working was on Flower Street, I bet you'd find a detour.  I'm trying the earlier suggested "disable acceleration" setting, so I'll see how that works.  Here's what I'll try if that doesn't work:

                                        Updating mobo bios

                                        Using IE or Chrome

                                        Removing and reseating the processor

                                        Installing different power supply

                                        My system:

                                        Windows 7 Pro 64-bit

                                        Firefox 3.6.3

                                        Shockwave Flash

                                        Core i7 920

                                        EVGA 758 X-58 mobo, stock settings/voltages

                                        OCZ ModXStream 700w power supply

                                        Sapphire Radeon 5770

                                        6GB OCZ Platinum DDR3 (rated 1333, but running lower)

                                        intel 80GB SSD

                                        no Anti-Virus

                                        • 17. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                          kevin_i Level 1

                                          Hi, Justin.

                                          Good luck with figuring out the cause.

                                          I've partially given up and ended up installing the Flash blocker plugin for Firefox.

                                          I actually develop Flash content for work (e-learning and web site content -- no ads or games) so having to disable Flash was a last resort action for me... but the crashes are just too annoying and I was losing work every time it happened.

                                          - I did try un-checking the hardware acceleration setting, but I still had crashes.

                                          - I updated video, audio and mobo drivers.  Still have crashes.

                                          - Ran memtest86 all night through 17 passes and it all checked out fine.

                                          - I don't think it's a PSU or heat issue since the computer never crashes when running much more demanding applications.

                                          It only crashes completely randomly on the standalone Flash player or when loading a web page with Flash content or ads.

                                          I agree with I_Know_Nothing_at_all that it is most likely a hardware issue since there are other computers running similar OS, browser, and Flash player software without any hiccups.  But I haven't been able to find a place that will do a full system bench check.

                                          • 18. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                            crashhmaster Level 1

                                            Everybody affected with this critical problem should try this solution.

                                            I have read few days ago about Win7 Aero bug.

                                            These are links to this bug and I think ADOBE Flash player are triggering it.

                                            So there's the probably and possible causes to this problem.

                                            Try it, disable Aero effects, then re-test it does it crash the operating system ?

                                            • 19. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                              Justincade Level 1

                                              Hi Crashmaster...

                                              That's actually one of the suggested "fixes" for the HD5770 video card issues that I've tried.  When I disabled Aero, I noticed how much better I liked it when it was enabled.  Absent Aero, the desktop looks so last year.  But I was pretty sure that would solve the problem, so imagine my disappointment when the crashes continued.  Again, I still experienced the crashes with Aero disabled.  I was happy to tick Aero on again, though.

                                              The tiny part-nerdy/part-superstitious part of my brain is trying to convince me that it's the OCZ power supply not being able to handle fluctuating power loads, but I don't know.  I built several similar computers recently, none of which are experiencing this issue.  One rig differs only in that it uses a GT240 video card and a Corsair TX750 power supply, so I might mix and match parts.  Who knows, maybe I'll get lucky and the problem will disappear altogether!  (Sorry, that was the part-nerdy/part-superstitious guy again.)

                                              • 20. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                crashhmaster Level 1

                                                If so it still crashes the computer even without Aero it seems adobe is at fault for triggering a Windows bug.

                                                Again I was so pissed off I uninstalled the f.. adobe flash player.

                                                I don't think this issue is even hardware related it definitely have something to do with the O/S and flash player and / or the display driver.

                                                I have a brand new Corsair HX750 Power supply I do not like any third party software as such to interfering with my work and workstation.

                                                My memory  modules also tests ok.

                                                Also firefox prompted a adobe.com selected customer survey just after I made the previous post in this forum, which I refused to participate by closing firefox, and I turned off the monitor, went away for 10 minutes, came back just to find out that it BSOD 0x24 MODULE_NAME: Ntfs

                                                So wouldn't it be a mere coincidence where the last action I did was close firefox turned off the monitor and walked away, that someone from adobe tries to hack my workstation.

                                                So I could be paranoid but my machine is stable hardware wise.. all the latest drivers and bios etc..

                                                I never received this BSOD before.

                                                Enough said adobe flash player been the culprit, and not to mention it has domination on the internet ads commercial-wise.

                                                I do not believe that this is a low risk, potentially billions of computers out there are affected by it.

                                                I will think again about installing another adobe flash player because this is more then harmful then a virus or a trojan.

                                                • 21. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                  rickyroma Level 1

                                                  Hi All,

                                                  I just wanted to say that I'm now part of the club.  My laptop (sony Vaio Z series i5, windows pro 64bit) seemed to randomly reboot when firefox was running, especially when there were many tabs open.  This happened at least twice a day.  I followed the advice of this thread and disabled the adobe flash hardware accelerator, and it seemed to stop 90% of the reboots.  Now, it reboots once every few days or a week.  This is still annoying as I am now paranoid of losing data while I'm working on my laptop, but it is waaaay better than it was (rebooting twice a day).

                                                  Anyway, from this thread, the concesus I gather is that adobe flash player is the culprit, but is there a solid solution (other than blocking adobe flash player, or not running firefox)?  Is adobe aware of this issue and trying to fix it in the next flash player update?  Why is it that this problem only affects a few people and not a lot? (I don't see many people in other forums complaining about this issue).  I will monitor my cpu temp, in case it is hardware temperature-related.  I will also disable windows Aero. If there are other things I can try to fully eliminate the problem, please let me know.

                                                  • 22. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                    Yenadar Level 1

                                                    Just adding myself to the list of people with this issue.

                                                    WinXP SP3, running on a laptop which is ~3 years old, all hardware appears to check out find via software tests. Memory was replaced about a year ago as a precaution, and it tests fine. All drivers updated to current. Flash fully uninstalled and reinstalled several times. Temperatures are completely stable, CPU load rarely gets above 14%, though I can take it to 100% without it crashing easily, and it will crash as low as 2%.

                                                    The crashing is ONLY when Flash is running. Unlike the others above however, I have this problem regardless of which browser I use. It started about 2 months ago, and I have experienced the crashes with Chrome, Both major versions of Firefox, and attempting to find a solution, ended up testing with IE 6, 7, and 8. I have the same issue with all of them. Occasionally it will freeze on scrolling, but usually when clicking on a flash object or typing into a flash object. And when it freezes, it's a complete hard freeze, image just stops, cursor doesn't move, etc... A hard boot is the only option. Nothing in the system log.

                                                    Sometimes I can go for about a week without a freeze, but then times like yesterday, it froze up 13 times in 5 hours. The only influence I have been able to have on the chance of the crash is by either A) not running flash at all, and then it won't crash, or B)  the volume of Flash I am using. For example I found that i am more likely to have a crash the more tabs I have open that have Flash running on them. More likely however, not a sure thing. I have 9 open now without any issue. And it can (and does) crash on a single tab. I suspect this is all just because the more Flash I am running the more likely I am to be running whatever it is that causes the lockup.

                                                    I agree with the canned historical judgment that random lockups are hardware related. However, whatever the hardware issue is, it's being triggered by Flash somehow, and isn't showing up as a problem with any other tests.

                                                    • 23. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                      kevin_i Level 1

                                                      Follow up.

                                                      A few months ago I upgraded my video card from the NVidia GeForce 8400 GS to an NVidia GeForce GTX 460.  Since then I have not had a single crash on Flash.

                                                      • 24. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                        327 Chevy Level 1

                                                        I'm going to jump on this dogpile with a "me too" post.

                                                        About my setup:  2 year old workstation, Intel Core2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, ATI Radeon 2600PRO graphics card, all up to date on Windows patches, latest device drivers, etc.

                                                        Until now the system was totally stable.  For the past 1-2 weeks, anytime I try to play videos on CNN's website (which uses Flash), my system freezes-- no response from mouse, keyboard, anything.  Only way out is a hard reset.

                                                        I've opened the case and checked all connections.  Pulled and re-seated memory, even switched the slots each stick is in.  Pulled and re-seated graphics card.  Cleaned CPU and graphics heatsinks with compressed air.  Verified all fans are working.  Replaced the power supply with a new Corsair 650w.  Ran utilities to verify CPU and GPU temps, and found all to be very good (it's a well cooled case).

                                                        I've completely uninstalled all traces of Flash using the Adobe Flash Uninstaller, after killing all but essential processes (to make sure nothing had Flash open).  Then I reinstalled the latest version available today (10 Feb 2011).  Both the ActiveX component for IE8, and the Firefox version, still bring about a system lockup.

                                                        The only, and I mean ONLY thing that ever crashes this computer is playing Flash videos, usually from CNN.

                                                        It does not matter if I am viewing in IE8 or the latest version of Firefox.  Result is exactly the same, on exactly the same videos, regardless of browser.

                                                        If this is truly a device driver issue, then it is ONLY triggered by Flash.  I'm a very busy telecommuter who spends as much as 10-12 hours a day on this machine for both work and recreation.  No other software of any kind causes this PC to lock up, so this is clearly a Flash-triggered problem.

                                                        • 25. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                          eidnolb onlyone Level 5

                                                          Hi, You may want to UNcheck the hardware acceleration if you haven't. Right click on the Flash logo,>Settings>Display Settings and UNcheck it.

                                                          Since you mentioned CNN, perhaps this is helpful:

                                                          Message was edited by: eidnolb

                                                          • 26. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                            327 Chevy Level 1

                                                            Hardware Acceleration-- The first thing I did was disable it, before I started pulling parts and checking drivers.

                                                            CNN Help page-- useless info for gomers without a clue.

                                                            For what it's worth, the crash happened on a different site within an hour of my original post.  The page had a Flash movie auto-start with page load, and as soon as the video started loading, the box locked up.

                                                            So it's not just CNN.  Seems to be when there are pages with Flash video embedded.  Regular (non-video) Flash objects don't seem to pose any problem.  Just video.

                                                            • 27. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                              reda316 Level 1

                                                              hi , i am having the same problems and it been a

                                                              couple of months now .

                                                              Every time i stream a movie or video off

                                                              of youtube my pc freezes and sound overlaps and i have no other choice

                                                              but to do a hard restart .

                                                              Here are my computer specs

                                                              Win7 64bit home pre

                                                              4g of ram

                                                              ati radeon hd 4800 series 1 gig

                                                              i have tried every thing that was said on the earlier post and nothing works.

                                                              I really hope adobe fixes this soon

                                                              • 28. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                                oblak24 Level 1

                                                                Disabling hardware acceleration didn't help me at all. But I have read some other topics (from 2009) about similar adobe flash situations like this one and i decided to delete some registry key [-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX Compatibility\{D27CDB6E-AE6D-11CF-96B8-444553540000}],

                                                                I'm not sure if this will help. I'll go now on my favourite site chesscube.com to see if crashes repeat.

                                                                And if they'čč repeat once over again I think I'll first update IE and try to use that browser for a change.

                                                                But I do have some bad feeling neither of these will help.

                                                                Think I'll have to stay patient and wait for next Adobe Flash Player update with fix for all this nonsense crashes I have since installing last adobe update 10.2.

                                                                Sorry people for my bad english grammar.

                                                                And bye!

                                                                Little later: It crashed again. Now I'll try to install new IE. I only hope it'll work.

                                                                • 29. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                                  327 Chevy Level 1

                                                                  1)  What made you decide to delete that specific registry key?

                                                                  2)  You can try, but I doubt updating the browser will help, since the version of Flash is the same.

                                                                  My results are the same in both IE (which uses the ActiveX Flash component) and Firefox (which uses the standard install of Flash).  Different browsers, different method of Flash integration-- but they crash on exactly the same pages.

                                                                  • 30. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                                    oblak24 Level 1

                                                                    1) They wrote something about this key and how it would help us with simple step of deleting it. But it didn't help.

                                                                    2) Updating didn't help either.

                                                                    I don't have any other idea to figure it out.

                                                                    • 31. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                                      reda316 Level 1

                                                                      I get the feeling that adobe doesnt really care ..because if they did some one would come and help us !!!!

                                                                      • 32. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                                        eidnolb onlyone Level 5

                                                                        Hi reda316, I wish you would start your own thread since it appears your problem is different than the one started a year ago or so. I don't have time to read thru old threads and then find that you or whoever posted last have a different problem!

                                                                        I can tell what your problem is, but have a few questions first before we try to solve it.

                                                                        When I see your thread, I'll reply to you.

                                                                        Hi oblak24, please do the same as I've just suggested. I know about the Kill-bit, etc, etc. There is a solution, but start your thread please.

                                                                        • 33. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                                          oblak24 Level 1

                                                                          Ok, sorry i thought it's not nice to start thread if similar already exist.

                                                                          • 34. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                                            lanbil Level 1

                                                                            Same problem, probably a problem of Flash Player with the ATI 2600

                                                                            Intel core 2 duo T8300 2.4Ghz

                                                                            2 GB Ram

                                                                            Ati Mobility Radeon HD 2600 256Mb

                                                                            Wiith IE8 and Chrome, same blue screen with posible error at ati2dvag with infinite loop.

                                                                            It cames after the last upgrade

                                                                            The rest is working fine, I try uninstall and install, including older versions but unsuccessfully

                                                                            • 35. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                                              mythosmc Level 1

                                                                              I have this exact same problem...

                                                                              Processor Q9300

                                                                              Video card ATI 5850

                                                                              I randomly get crashes ONLY when flash player is running... I have reproduced this on three different os installs using this same pc..

                                                                              Windows 7 x64, Windows XP, and Windows XP x64.. The one constant is FLASH being opened either as the present application, or minimized.

                                                                              Are we going to get an official solution, or even recognition that there is infact an instability problem here with flash?

                                                                              p.s, yes.. I made sure I unchecked enable hardware acceleration.

                                                                              • 36. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                                                brrrdog1 Level 1

                                                                                I joined this forum specifically to 2nd this issue (or 10th or 11th).

                                                                                I have two identical dell studio 1458 laptops.  One consistently crashes on sites with flash movies, the other does not.  The best example is the curious george video on the pbskids.org site.  Every time I load that page on the 'bad' studio, the computer hangs - the screen goes black, and only a hard reboot will fix it.  I plan on swapping the hard drives to see if the problem follows the software or stays with the hardware but either way, the flash player definately seems to be a catalyst in this so I hope this isn't blown off as somebody else's problem.  That said, I plan on sending this info to both dell and ATI.

                                                                                • 37. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                                                brrrdog1 Level 1

                                                                                Update: The crash occured with both win7 rtm + ie 8 and win7 sp1 + ie9.  However, unchecking enable hardware accelleration did fix it for me.

                                                                                • 38. Re: Flash player randomly crashes computer
                                                                                327 Chevy Level 1

                                                                                This is no longer a problem for us, but only because we ditched the ATI Radeon video card in favor of a Matrox.  But it still raises the question, how is Flash able to crash the computer-- and yes, Flash was the only app that produced such consequences.

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Also the trunk is opening electric. So when there is heavy snow on the back of the bar I hope the electronic engine for opening the trunk will not be destroyed.
But I think hope all this things are tested by Tesla.. ;-)
I live in Austria and I have similar problems with "normal" cars and door handles.. :-/

Timo | 14 September 2010

That -20 is celcius. For Roadster there is a advice not to leave your car outside unplugged over -20 celcius cold. -40 C is a lot more

For those that has not experienced that -20C is a temperature that you can go outside for several minutes without something like gloves and you wont get frost bites with winter shoes as long as you keep moving but in -40C you will get frost bites almost immediately to any exposed low circulation area (feet, hands) especially if it is associated with a wind, and those shiny indoor walkers are definitely not enough. You can actually feel how air that you breathe tries to freeze moisture in your lungs.

Ice in -40C is also very hard. Not that slushy snowy stuff you get near 0C temperatures. If you have ice buildup in for example door caskets it is nearly impossible to open that door without ripping those caskets to pieces, so worry about door handles is a real one.

Jaffray | 14 September 2010

The trunk on the Model S appears to be more of a hatchback style as opposed to a conventional trunk.

My last two Lexus (400h & 450h) both had electric tailgates.

Although I generally would clear the snow off of the rear window of the vehicle prior to opening the hatch, the electric motors in the Lexus were always up to the job. I'm sure Tesla will take this into consideration.

Can Eng | 15 September 2010

Thank you to all that replied. I would imagine that the pop out door handles could be a problem, especially during/after a slushy snow storm. Typically, I carry a small canister of "Lock De-icer" around in the winter to unfreeze the car locks if they get stuck.

As for the trunk, it would not be a problem as long as you could access the interior. Most people in winter climates who care for their vehicles tend to brush the snow off before driving away.

My real concern is whether the car will be/could be equipped with an auxillary battery blanket that could be plugged in similar to a traditional block heater. Or is it by plugging in the car to charge that you are creating enough battery heat to keep the system warm?

Lastly, I would also imagine that as a luxury car, it would be equipped with all the necessary climate controls for a winter environment.

Thank you and I await your responses.

Can Eng

Ad van der Meer | 16 September 2010

I could imagine that interior of the car could be warmed up when plugged in. I don't know if that would be enough to get rid of a snow blanket or iced door handles??

Timo | 16 September 2010

Car has internal battery AC. It will keep the battery warm as long as you keep it plugged in (and even if not, as long as battery has charge left).

Problem is prolonged periods in very cold without chance to plug it in. I think Li-ion batteries might get damaged. Not all though, so it is question of what chemistry Tesla batteries is using. Maybe also what liquid they are using for AC, maybe that freezes over over -20C cold, and that is the reason they say that it should not be left without plugging in -20C and not the actual battery.

There is some contradictory information about Li-ion batteries in the net. Some say "do not freeze", some say that it wont hurt it much if at all as long as it is only half-way charged and you warm it up before using or charging. I too would like to hear what really can happen if you leave it out in over -20C temperature without plugging in.

Lithium reacts very strongly with water (lithium is alkali metal) so lithium-ion batteries do not contain water. Freezing that is not an issue here.

Timo | 18 September 2010

I think Tesla is using different battery chemistry for 300mile version and I just found out about Boston Power Swing batteries:

(From Autobloggreen about Saab 9-3 ePower, and then some surfing).

That one says its operating range is between -40°C-+70°C. Plenty for me. It also has quite good volumetric energy density of 420Wh/L which means that Model S roughly 90kWh 300mile battery would be about size of 214L using those. 214L is about 10cm * 150cm * 150cm. Should fit nicely into bottom of the Model S.

I'm curious what battery type Model S will use for 300mile version. Clearly it is possible to get that easily fit into car, but that operating temperature is what interests me.

Vawlkus | 21 September 2010

While the batteries getting too cold is a concern, it's a minor one. The major one is the cooling system around the batteries that's nestled inside the battery pack. If the coolant that circulates inside there freezes, then the battery won't able to regulate it's temperature anymore, and THAT is damaging to the batteries.

bcn0209 | 30 October 2010 bad will range degrade when its -30, you have the heater on full blast and the headlights on? I mean come on, simple thermodynamics would have a surface area of at least 1.5M squared and a rate of heat loss through the glass and metal that would be dissipating quite a bit of heat so the heater would have to pump out a significant number of BTU's to keep the car warm inside for the passenger...I am thinking you will consume at least 1500-2000 watts at full tilt. That's a LOT of energy. its the equivalent of 2HP-2.5HP. Its also a lot of amps! Lets say the pack is a 60 volt pack...its probably higher than that but just for arguments sake. 1500 watts/60 volts= 25 amps! again at 120 volts would be 1500 watts/120 volts=12.5 amps! that's a huge amount of current just to stay warm! You are not going to get 300 miles range with that going on!

Tim10 | 30 October 2010

Speed, outside temperature, driving style all going to affect your range, pretty much a given whether an ICE, Hybrid or BEV.

Timo | 30 October 2010

You are not going to use that 2000W all of time. Initial heating the cabine maybe, but after that it drops quite fast. What affects range in winter time is increased rolling resistance from stubbed tires and snow. Heater is not going to affect that much. In fact cold weather means that there is not going any power to cool down battery pack and that actually saves some energy. Headlight effect on range is minuscule. Tiny. Less than tiny.

Vawlkus | 1 November 2010

From what I've read, with either the A/C or the heater on full bore for 8 hours, you'd loose about 10 miles of range. Trust me, it's a pittance.

530xd | 3 November 2010

So the heater wont use so much electric that a diesel heater will be installed after the car is imported to Norway?

Vawlkus | 3 November 2010

Not a chance.

Brian H | 3 November 2010

-40°C is pretty rough, but -40x°F is just as bad!

Heh. ;)
I've experienced -65°F, and -35°F with a moderate breeze was much worse.

Timo | 4 November 2010

-65°F is evil. I agree that with wind even -20°C is a lot worse than a -40°C calm weather. Can't say if it is worse than -54°C though. You need to have quite a wind to make it worse than that. You might have different standards for "moderate breeze" than I have.

Ad van der Meer | 4 November 2010

Let's wait and see how the prototypes do in the freezing cells. Anything under 0°C is cold for me, but I assume Tesla engineers will come up with a car suitable for 99% of this earth's weather.

Andyro | 5 November 2010

From Tesla - but by email, I trust they will not mind if I share this:

..."Again, it is hard to give you exact examples about the Model S since it is two years away, but I can let you know how the Roadster is performing in the cold. We actually just sold our first car 200 km north of the Arctic circle in Norway! The salt on the roads has not been an issue, as the Model S is made out of aluminum (the Roadster frame also is aluminum, though the body is carbon fiber). Neither of these materials rusts and are very resistant to corrosion. A heated garage is not necessary, as the battery on the car is kept warm when it is plugged in (which most customers do anyway every night). The door handles on the car are electric (as opposed to mechanical), so freezing has not been a problem on them. We do offer snow tires sets and our traction control system is incredibly advanced and helps the car perform well in adverse conditions."

Mark Petersen | 7 November 2010

hmm they dont use salt that high up north, as the temperature has to be close to 0°C to work

Timo | 8 November 2010

That's only at winter. In spring and in autumn there are temperatures close to 0°C. At summer it is way above melting point, so no need to use salt then either.

Runar | 8 November 2010

Oh, they have started using salt on the roads up north in norway also. It doesnt change from above freezing to -20C in a day.;-)

I live in Alta, 69degrees north and they do salt the roads regulary when weather permits.

Andyro | 23 November 2010

Above link is battery life vs. temperature - and why Tesla has invested in better cooling technology than Nissan. My question would be, in colder climates, would one not expect to see longer battery life? Instead of 7-10 years in California, extrapolate from the chart linked above (cooling system notwithstanding - an extra battery load btw) - could we see an extra 4-7 years of battery life?

Andyro | 23 November 2010

@Ad van der Meer: Don't forget occupants contribute to internal temperature gains. Just sitting there one body produces about 100W just sitting there. Add 3 more occupants and your car is heated! Condensate is usally more of a problem up here, defogging a car before getting going... it would be great if Tesla built-in an electric resistance heater that only came on when the car was plugged in - akin to block heaters in a way. It would be great to have the car start a de-icing and defogging routine at 7am, just in time to have a nicely warmed, thawed and condensate free interior before getting on the road. Adding a removable dessicant filter might help reduce 'relatively' moist cabin air - something you just don't need in an ICE car as the cabin becomes the defacto heat dump and you just blast the interior until the temp is high enough the RH is not an issue. If the car was designed to lose less heat than an ICE car (ie. filling out body components with flame-retardant PU foam) it would both increase body stiffness and reduce cooling and heating system loads. But I am just thinking out loud here...

Can Eng | 23 November 2010

Filling out the body panels with foam would also contribute to a quieter interior due to the sound absorption of the foam. In addition, I would also like to see a small resistance heater for the interior of the cabin to keep the car warm when plugged in.

bhp | 23 November 2010

@ Timo:

i saw the link:

that cell is 90 grams, as far as i know for 300 miles version they are using 8000 cells means 90 garms x 8000 cells = 720 Kg on top of that around 150 Kg of casing and cooling system means around 900 Kg.

How is that possible that a car company comes up with 1 ton of battery pack ?

Moreover boston power on cell is 4.4 Ah x 3.7 Volt = 16.28 watt-hr !

8000 cells x 16.28 watt-hr = 130.240 KWh battery pack !!!!!!!!!!!
as far as i know they are using 85 Kwh battery pack for 300 miles.

qwk | 24 November 2010

Old news. This is what we know about the model S battery.

It certainly does not weigh a ton.

bhp | 24 November 2010

thanks qwk for that update

WattTheHell | 24 November 2010

Thanks Andyro for the info. In the message from Tesla, they mention: "A heated garage is not necessary, as the battery on the car is kept warm when it is plugged in (which most customers do anyway every night)".

Sure, I understand this. If the car is plugged in, there is no problem.

But what if it's not plugged in and stays outside of a garage overnight -or- it's parked for 12 hours during daytime, unplugged in an office parking lot and the temperature in both scenarios is cold (-20 or -30 Celcius)?

Will the onboard battery heating system be able to maintain the battery temperature to an acceptable level solely using the power of the batteries themselves?

Timo | 24 November 2010

Yes, with one caveat. If the battery is near empty, then heating it can drain it to empty and after that pack freezes. I don't know the temperature limits of the Roadster batteries, but I think -20 is not enough to actually damage them, they just practically shut down at that cold. -30 might be too cold. Both cases battery liquid cooling system might freeze too, and if that happens then there is quite certain damage somewhere.

AFAIK battery heating doesn't require much power, you probably can leave it outside for a week unplugged if it is full.

WattTheHell | 25 November 2010

Thank you Timo.

Dan5 | 25 November 2010

Just to point out something, I just checked my antifreeze in the garage, it's only good to -27 C- and that's the good stuff. Considering that, I think they are using more or less a standard automotive grade mix of antifreeze.

Andyro | 25 November 2010

@WattTheHell - I can see it now:

Q: AAA Towtruck (or CAA as the case may be) - so you need a boost?
A: Yeah, and then just keep the cables attached and follow me please......

Vawlkus | 26 November 2010

There is a retrofitted Hummer for charging electric cars on the side of the road. It has a generator in the back. :)

You only need a tow truck for an electric car if you've smashed the car against something else. Otherwise, when your battery guage is low, just pull up somewhere and ask if you cna plug in for an hour. Electricity is EVERYWHERE.

cblais | 29 November 2010

I would be really interested to hear what a Tesla representative has to say about all of this. Given how much they have tested the model S (I've seen the short video clips of it driving in the snow), there must be some more "official" word or data that can be released on this subject.

This must be monitored by someone...

Timo | 29 November 2010

@cblais, that was probably Roadster you saw in those videos. Model S doesn't exist yet. Not even prototype, just a mockup showcar.

Brian H | 30 November 2010

Douglas3 made a really interesting post on "cold" over on the Roadster thread:

"... the Tesla seems to handle winter conditions as well as any other car. Due to poor road conditions I originally took my SUV today, but after stopping for gas it wouldn't crank; apparently the battery is getting old and can't handle the cold. I had to get a boost start so I could go home and get the Tesla. Fortunately even with summer tires it easily handled the winter conditions. The traction control works amazingly well on snow and ice.

Along the way I stopped in at Canadian Tire to pick up a new battery for the SUV. Seemed ironic to be hoisting a lead-acid battery into the Tesla's trunk behind the huge Li-Ion battery."

BossSrikanth | 30 October 2011

I live in Bellevue Washington, so the coldest it gets here is about -10 degrees Celsius. More important to me is traction and climbing capability. I live on top of large hill in an already hilly area. When we get five inches of snow with ice underneath, will the car be able to climb a 20-30 degree incline? If not, I am afraid I will have to go with an earth-killing Range Rover.

Mycroft | 30 October 2011

The car has 6 inches of clearance, so as long as you have traction, it'll be able to climb the hill. If you buy it with the 21" wheels, you might want to rotate out to 19" studded snow tires in the Winter if you're worried about traction.

If you don't have storage for your off-season tires, many tire shops provide storage for about $30 a season and free rotation if you bought the snow tires from them.

I live in Lakewood/Tacoma with no hill to worry about, so I'm hoping to go with all-season tires.

Mycroft | 30 October 2011

I just checked against the size 245/35-21, the size of the 21" tires and there doesn't appear to be any all-season sets available for it. So I may be rotating out to Winter tires also. :(

BossSrikanth | 30 October 2011

Thanks @Mycroft, I can pick up a set of winter tyres out here, no problem. Besides, I probably won't buy it in 21 inch wheels anyway. I'm not too much focused on style, just a nice looking full-size sedan, or a nice SUV that I can depend on. And it's nice to find someone who knows how the weather is here. :)

BossSrikanth | 30 October 2011

The latest I have heard about winter testing is that it's gone out (specific locations haven't been given), but I can't find any results. I assume they are still running winter trials.

Brian H | 30 October 2011

All season tires are generally a bad idea. Half-baked performance in both seasons.

Denis Vincent | 30 October 2011

Isn't the objective behind the adjustable Air Suspension going to allow for a significant increase in the Ground Clearance? When the Air suspension in my Audi Allroad is on its highest setting, the vehicle has more clearance then a BMW X5. Paired with Snow Tires, even the worst Whistler Snow conditions are no problem...and we get huge dumps here!

David70 | 1 November 2011

Boss's problem is the 20 - 30 degree incline. If it's really that steep, he'll probably have to use studs.

Timo | 1 November 2011

Even with studs that steep incline can be real problem to 2WD car, no matter how good grip it has in flat plane. Ice polished by non-stud tires at -10C can be really really really slippery.

Good thing with Model S is Tesla traction control which does not allow wheelspin, and very high torque at very low RPM which allows precise control of tire rotation. This probably makes huge difference between usual ICE car and Tesla EV in slippery conditions.

Still, I hope for 4WD version of Model S (preferably a bit smaller hatchback). That would be perfect to me, and I'm guessing quite a few of others here that have already reserved Model S would prefer that too.

Volker.Berlin | 2 November 2011

I agree that on an iced slope 4WD is probably your most reliable option. Given that 4WD is not available for the Model S at this point, it may still be reassuring to know that the Model S has much more weight on the driven wheels than your average RWD sedan. In an ICE sedan setup, the engine and gear box is in front and the rear is comparatively lightweight, which can lead to the "typical" RWD winter behavior that some people are afraid of. The 50:50 front to rear weight distribution of the Model S (plus traction control, of course) should mitigate the issue. I am still curious to drive it in person and see how it behaves on different surfaces and slopes.

There have been a couple of other threads that were discussing cold climate issues and rear wheel drive. Maybe worth reading if your are interested in these issues.

Mycroft | 2 November 2011

If 4-wheel drive is a requirement, then the Model S isn't for you.

Volker.Berlin | 2 November 2011

Mycroft, that's basically true. However, some drivers who have experienced ICEs with RWD in winter may think that 4WD is a requirement even though that may not be true, assuming that the Model S behaves better than an ICE for the reasons stated. Therefore, if somebody is interested in the Model S but turned away by the RWD, he or she should schedule a test drive and then reconsider.

David70 | 2 November 2011

Right. Even without studs I've found that FWD on an ICE with just all season radials is usually adequate as long as snow depth isn't too great. Of course, the Prius also had a form of traction control. OTOH, I rarely encounter 20 degree slopes, let alone 30 degree.


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Currently there is no way to specify that a particular element in a given form should NOT be translated even if a default translator instance is available in Zend_Form. As per the discussion referenced below, I am suggesting the addition of a disableTranslator flag in Zend_Form_Element which would allow automatic translation to be turned off on an element-by-element basis.

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The original discussion primarily references the option labels in select menu form fields; however, this flag should apply to other kinds of properties in other elements as well (for instance, the "description" and "label" properties).

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It would be better to enable jQuery if already the "addOnLoad()" method is set in the code.

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Hanging Pictures Around a Room

Natural Horizontal and Vertical Lines in an Environment

Lining up pictures, based on natural Horizontal lines in a room

In interior decorating there are Natural Lines in an Environment that direct your eye both Horizontally and Vertically around a room. When adding decorative elements (pictures, mirrors or other kinds of wall decor) to your space, you want to line up your decorative elements, with the room’s natural lines, so your eye moves smoothly from one thing to another, without moving up or down too much.

Look at Illustration 1. The natural horizontal lines in this illustration are created by both the top and bottom edges of the molding that surrounds the window frame on the left side of the drawing #1 and #2. The next set of natural lines are created by the top and bottom edges of the molding running across the top of the sliding door #3 and #4. The third grouping of horizontal lines are the top and bottom edges of the upper cabinets #5 and #6, and #7 the top edge of the counter top.

The natural Vertical lines in this space are created by both the outside and inside edges of the molding surrounding the window #8 and #9, the outside and inside edges of the vertical molding around the sliding door #10 and #11, and the vertical side edges of both the top and base cabinets #12 and #13.

Now that you know what natural lines are, you want to use them in interior decorating.

Next look at Illustration 2. Notice how the grouping of four pictures lines up with the top edge of the upper cabinet and top edge of the counter top. The natural lines extend from one wall to another at exactly the same level.

In Illustration 3, notice how the bottom edge of the plate rack lines up with the bottom edge of the upper cabinet.

Sometimes you don’t want to line up edges based on architectural elements (doors and windows). You want to create your own set of new lines. Illustration 4 shows how the top edges of all the framed wall decor line up with each other.

Illustration 5 shows a more complicated version of Illustration 4. Following the dotted lines, notice how some of the top edges, and some of the bottom edges of the pictures line up with each other.

Not everyone has an octagonal room like Illustration 6. In this drawing the dotted lines show how the artwork and decorative accessories line up with the molding around the grand doorways, and the horizontal top lines, created by the tall book cases.

So now after reading the FOUR Posts, that I have written on hanging pictures, I hope you see how easy is it to hang wall decor. It really is a snap, once you know a few simple decorating secrets. Happy Picture Hanging!

Companion Posts
It’s Easy to make a Grouping of Pictures 6-29-2011,
Making an Interesting Arrangement of Pictures 7-8-2011,
It’s Easy to Hang Pictures up on the Wall 7-17-2011,
Hanging Pictures over a Sofa 9-12-2011,
Picking and Hanging the Right size Picture or Mirror over your Fireplace 6-23-2011,
Step-by-Step Instructions for Hanging a Gallery Wall 2-15-2015,
 It’s Easy to Decorate a Room with a Tall/High Ceiling 2-3-2013,
A Bridge unites a Tablescape and Wall Decor 6-10-2011,
Arranging your Decorative Accessories (Knickknacks and Collectables) 6-7-2011,
Hanging a Collection of Plates / Dishes up on the Wall 1-19-2013,
 Interior Decorating is ALL about Equal Balance 2-27-2011
Paint a Room a Dark Color then Add Light Accents 3-27-2011,

(Some other Decorating Posts)
Arranging Furniture, so Sofas Talk to Chairs, Like the Pros Do 9-7-2012,
Arranging Furniture TWELVE different ways in the Same Room 9-15-2012,
The Right Way to Hang Curtains and Drapes 5-3-2011,
The Right Height of Table Lamp for your End Table 5-19-2011

(Unrelated, but Really Popular Seasonal Posts)
Putting Lights on a Christmas Tree..The EASY Way 11-3-2011,
How to Decorate a Christmas Tree with Tulle 10-20-2012,
Cutting / Making Paper Snowflakes 10-27-2011,
Christmas Tree Decorating..Step by Step, Like a Pro 11-13-2011

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  3. MJ says:

    I’m seeking some guidance in applying this information to hanging wall art in bedrooms. I (hopefully correctly) presume that the “eight-inch rule” for hanging items over a couch or table also applies to hanging items over a chest of drawers in a bedroom. (Does anyone say “highboy” anymore?) If this is correct, then I am primarily wondering about items hung over a bed and about alignment of artwork around the entire bedroom.

    Regarding items hung over a bed: on one hand, there are different height headboards; on the other, there are beds without a headboard. Furthermore, people sometimes sit up in bed (with or without a freestanding, upholstered bed rest); so, even without a tangible headboard, it seems that one needs to allow room for an “imaginary headboard,” so to speak, so that any wall hangings would clear the head of anyone who might sit up in the bed.

    Regarding alignment of artwork around the entire bedroom: perhaps one starts with the top edge of the highest artwork, whether eight inches above the “highboy” or above a real or imagined headboard, and then uses the other rule of aligning all the other top edges with the highest one. I suppose the height of the dresser mirror must come into play here as well; perhaps it creates another possible level of alignment. Then, of course, the natural lines created by the architectural elements of the room are yet another possibility.

    Please help us sort/evaluate/prioritize these various considerations for hanging wall art in bedrooms.

    If there are any other tips that would be specifically helpful in bedroom décor, we would appreciate your sharing those as well.

    Thank you, for your always prompt specific responses, and for your attractive and helpful site in general. In finding your site, I’ve found a gem.

    • Hi there MJ, soo many things to cover…where to start…

      When placing a bed in a bedroom space/place it at least 6 inches away from the wall, so if wall art falls, it will fall behind the bed not on you. Never hang anything with glass or anything with sharp edges, that if it fell could hurt anyone in bed. When hanging things over a bed, use larger hangers than recommended. If something weighs five pounds, use a ten to fifteen pound hook. The nail will be longer and there is less of a chance that the thing will fall.

      Bedroom furniture is mostly bed side tables, double or triple dressers, and chests-of-drawers. A high boy is a chest up on legs. Most highboys are from the time of George Washington. Rich people, back in the day, most likely had a highboy. The highboy has Queen Anne styled legs, though you see French furniture up on fancy carved and gilded legs.

      Did you read my post It’s Easy to Decorate a Room with Tall / High Ceilings, it talks about vertical tension, Interior Decorating is all about Equal Balance is another.

      I would say the 8 inches applies to dressers and chests, but as for beds with no headboards, low headboards, etc, practicality versus rules on design should be thought of first. I say make paper templates of you artworks and tape them up with painters tape then step back and see if you like how it looks. Move things up and down until you see them at a height you like. If the shapes look off, they could be the wrong size for the space above the bed.

      Lining up things by the top of the door, mirror over the dresser, etc are all right options, the choice is yours. I think if you line up things on three walls in the room, and the artwork over the bed does not follow, so what. There will be continuity of movement around most of the walls.

      Hope I helped you a bit, I know the purpose of my blog is working, as it got you thinking about possibilities.

  4. Mona and Token says:

    Love Letter to Fred: I always had a vague feeling my loving modest home could look better. The professional designers…one an architect… never mentioned picture placement . The former insisted I needed new drapes all over the house, the latter arched moldings. Instead I followed your outstanding and easily written suggestions and am so delighted. You have made our environment just perfect for us and saved us so much money and grief. If your mission in life is to beautify homes and gardens one house at a time, by sharing your considerable talents, you are succeeding more than you know. Merci..Merci..Merci…

    • I just LOVE your comment Mona and Token, you are just what I needed tonight to put a smile on my face. You know those so called professionals were in it for the $$$, and I’m glad you got your inspiration here for free. Look at all the decorating topics I’ve written; they are located under Categories on the right side of the screen. Interior Decorating Principles is where you will find them. Look at the end of the first page, for older posts, it’s really small, and click on that and you will see more posts. Have the most wonderful of Summers, and come back again, as I still have many interior decorating articles to write, when I am done working on my garden.

  5. camfuse says:

    Hi Fred, I just found your site/blog, and thank you for posting so much wisdom about home decorations. Now everything makes sense to me. By the way, I love the illustrations you put on each post, they give me aha moments every time.🙂

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August 28, 2016

The 2008 Liberty Case: An Authoritive Ruling on Snowden’s Disclosures

The other day, I was re-reading the 2008 Liberty vs. The United Kingdom ruling of the European Court of Human Rights (‘ECHR’). The case reads like any BREAKING / REVEALED news report on Edward Snowden’s disclosures, and will play a crucial role in the currently pending court cases in Europe on the legality of the surveillance programs. Liberty is also great material for comparing surveillance jurisprudence across the Atlantic.

They did not like what they saw on the telly in 1999. A TV show reported on the UK Ministry of Defence operated Electronic Test Facility (“ETF”) at Capenhurst in Cheshire. Soon afterwards, Liberty, the Irish Council for Civil Liberties and several other British NGOs launched a case against the UK government. The NGOs had provided legal advice throughout the UK during the 1990s and had legitimate concerns to be victims of the reported systematic mass surveillance of all telecommunications across the British isles.

After going upstream through several legal procedures, the ECHR released its final ruling in August 2008. Allow me to cherrypick from the Court’s assessment, in particular §64-§66:

  1. the 1985 Act [on which the UK government based its surveillance program] allowed the executive an extremely broad discretion … virtually unfettered;
  2. for example, all commercial submarine cables having one terminal in the UK and carrying external commercial communications to Europe;
  3. Information could be … listened to or read, if the Secretary of State considered this was required in the interests of national security, the prevention of serious crime or the protection of the United Kingdom’s economy;
  4. material was selected for examination by an electronic search engine, and search terms, falling within the broad categories covered by the [surveillance order] certificates, were selected and operated by officials.

The ruling has lots and lots of interesting observations, but these cherries square quite nicely with the Guardian reports on Snowden’s GCHQ disclosures on the TEMPORA program, as well as disclosures about xKeyscore, the mapping of a social graph of every internet user and the unfettered character of intelligence surveillance legal framework in general.

Since the first Snowden revelations, several cases have been launched — among them a fresh Liberty complaint and one by a second group of NGOs. When those cases end up upstream with the ECHR, and the NGOs have already committed to go all the way, Liberty will play a huge role in the Court’s assessment. So what was the outcome in 2008?

The short version: the Court struck the surveillance practises down for not being ‘in accordance with the law’. In other words, the legislation on which the British Government based its untargeted surveillance was so vague and ambiguous, that it didn’t meet the procedural requirements for surveillance laws under the European Convention of Human Rights – thus a violation of Liberty’s privacy rights.

Failing to meet the first procedural test, the Court was able to avoid the third, and politically much more sensitive, substantive test: was the 1990s ETF program ‘necessary in a democratic society?’ Given the sustained ambiguity in UK surveillance laws today, the Court just might be able to dance around the substantive assessment next time around. A likely outcome of such a case will be a legal necessity for meaningful oversight as well restraints on mass surveillance for Council of Europe member states with regard to their citizens.

Practically, if you think about it from a strategic game theory perspective, stronger domestic legal protection might just further fuel what you’ll read about today in the news and what we’ve argued last year in our paper ‘Obscured by Clouds’ (§2.2.3.): the circumvention of local laws through transnational surveillance followed by bilateral intelligence sharing, or ‘I spy from my country on your citizens, you from yours on my citizens, and we share the data through secret agreements’. That’s a difficult problem to solve under existing laws, unless we all agree about our universal commitment to the UN charter of human rights. Now there’s a political challenge.

A final thought: at least since 1978 (Klass v.  Germany), the ‘mere existence’ of vague surveillance laws is an actual harm, a violation of privacy. And for very good reasons, among them knowing what your government is up to and being able to protect senstive communications – such as NGOs providing legal advice to citizens. The US Supreme Court has taken a quite different approach a range of opinions, such as the February 2013 case of Clapper v. Amnesty [pdf]: no standing for Amnesty, the ACLU and other NGOs, as they couldn’t prove that they had been a subject of surveillance. Cunningly, meaningful transparency is just the sort of thing the Patriot Act and even more so the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act succeeds in obscuring.

A rather Orwellian twist in the Supreme Court case-law and the US legal framework. The mere existence of vague surveillance laws is dangerous in itself. Post-Snowden, one would hope that the Supreme Court catches on, in stead of moonwalking out of NGOs challenging government surveillance.

  1. The snowden case is a very interesting case of today’s intellegence works. I would suppose that spying is one of the oldest game in the intellegence business, and especially in nowadays society–in the age of modernization and technological eras. In this eras, nowadays’ society: data collecting/spying on one person/country can be done and have been easier more than ever, and certainly can be done more secretely (maybe I am being naive on this.) Hence most of those nations who can do this, perhaps, most likely would have done so. The only different is that they may not reveal what they have done, or have done it– differently. This is what makes Snowden case be an interesting and unique. Because of Snowden, the U.S now is certainly on the spotlight for other nations to point thier fingers at, this is not usually happens. It is use to be the other way around.
    The question of how Snowden, is going to be judge: Is a legitimate question. He has betrayed his superior, his colleagues and countries. This is a question of integrety, loyalty, and about ehtical values. And because of the U.S govetm. should certainly not let this to be overlooked. However, how to penalize and punish Mr. Snowden is not simple decission to be made.


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Look at what I missed while moving….

First off, I missed celebrating the anniversary of the day I became an Italian citizen,  February 9.  And then I missed my grandfather’s birthday, March 1.  But I have managed to realize that I could redeem myself by remembering that today is my father’s birthday.  He would have been 99.  So enjoy a bit of my Italian history.

This is an updated version that some of you might have read before.  Most everyday, I remember the ancestors that enabled me to be able to ‘live the dream of Italy’ full time. On my grandfather’s birthday, I like to remind others of him and all the folks who either by choice or not immigrated to America and helped to make it into a strong country.

Saturday, March 1, 2014 was the anniversary of my grandfather (nonno), Antonio Iaccarino’s birth. He was born in mille otto cento settantotto or 1878 so he would be 136 years old. His parents were Ferdinando and Maria D’Esposito Iaccarino. I know they also had 2 daughters, one, Concetta, (my Zia or aunt) who was 4 years younger than my nonno and another that I never met, Josephine who lived in Connecticut.

In 2003 I began researching my grandparents’ lives so that I could apply to become an Italian citizen. In the process of this research I have learned some things which have brought me closer to my nonno who I never met. He died before I was born. I always think of him when I hear the Simon and Garfunkle song that starts “I left my home and my family when I was no more than a boy, in the company of strangers…” My nonno was only 12 when he joined the merchant marines (Marina Mercantile Italiana). Whether he joined willing or unwilling I don’t know. I do know that at that time he and his family were living in a room or rooms in this house in Meta, Italy.

I have found this house because very dear friends, Tonino and Carmella Romano spent hours researching old town zoning records. It seems as if the town fathers in Meta like to rename and renumber streets all the time.  Only their tenacity helped me to find this place.

So my nonno went to sea. He signed on as a mozzo (a cabin boy). Fortunately, his seaman’s book is still in our family. The entries are handwritten in script that I can’t always read and understand. (Someday perhaps…) So far, I know he was promoted, learned great skills that he would use later in life and four languages besides his native Italian. From the log I can tell that he returned to and left Italy a good bit. Stamps in his book show that some of the places he went to were Greece, Liverpool, England, Marseille, France, and Odessa, on the Black Sea. Can you imagine sending off your 12 year old son and for the next 19 years only seeing him periodically? And he comes back with stories of places he has been to and things he has seen. This is the view leaving the port of Naples that I am guessing is relatively unchanged even today.

He did not always leave from Naples. Meta, the town south of Naples, where he lived was at the time a fairly large port and had a ship building facility. Today it is not. It is a small town with a nice sandy beach and a bedroom community for surrounding towns like Sorrento.

Even though Sorrento and Positano have been popular tourist destinations since the late 1800s prosperity did not arrive until after World War II. Before that, a large number of people of all age groups emigrated from the area to the United States and South America. But our family name, a very common one still remains in the area.

From my nonno I think I have inherited my interest in other languages besides my native tongue. I do hold it against him that he did not allow Italian to be spoken in their house in America. My cousins have told me that he would scold my grandmother (nonna) if he caught her chatting with her friends in Italian (after they moved to America). He would say “We are Americans now, we will speak American”. (Italian men do so love to declare, dictate and proclaim, don’t they?) So my father never really spoke Italian. He never passed that on to me.

I also know, that from my nonno, the spirit of travel and adventure passed directly to my father and then to me. My passport is never locked up in a safety deposit box. I like to have it near me so if the opportunity to travel arises I can just go. And I have a very cooperative and loving husband. After I finally got my Italian citizenship he didn’t mind when I packed us up and moved us to Italy.

So little by little with research, the help of friends and the memories of my family I learn about my grandparents. Today or when ever you think about it, please raise a glass of wine or a mug of coffee to my nonno and nonna who had the spirit and sense of adventure to try something different and create a new life for themselves. Most Americans have ancestors that emigrated. I have been lucky enough to be able to trace mine and fill in some of the blanks. If you have any interest in your own background you should try it.  You learn about the past and look what it led to for us.

Buon Compleanno Nonno!   And Buon Compleanno Daddy!  And thank you from all of my heart!

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  1. Great info about your grandfather! My grandfather left Hamburg, Germany in the merchant marines also. He too died before I was born. He immigrated to the US around 1895. With a last name of Schmidt, I think it would be difficult to trace the family. But it would be fun to try!

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Interview With the Founder of a Video Game Rehab Clinic 59

Ten Ton Hammer has posted the transcript from an interview with Dr. Hilarie Cash, co-founder of the "reSTART Internet Addiction Recovery Program," a relatively new clinic that deals with adults who feel that they are addicted to video games. The interview contains some.. interesting nuggets of wisdom. If you want to avoid addiction, you'd better spend less than two hours per day on online entertainment! The good news is that she doesn't recommend beating people. "When people come, they come for 45 days. It is only for adults; patients must be 18 or older. When they first come, they come for a minimum 2 days to be interviewed and to interview us, because we don't want anyone there who doesn't want to be there. So if they decide they want to be there then they stay for 45 days or longer if they choose. During that time they don't have access to the internet. The idea is that it takes at least 30 days for the brain to make some adjustments it needs to make to get over this addiction, so the brain can begin to rewire back to normal. During that time we are helping them look at why they got addicted, what motivated their addiction and we're assessing to see what skills they are lacking so they can be successful in their adult lives. We try to make a good start at helping to build those skills."
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  • by Rogerborg ( 306625 ) on Tuesday January 26, 2010 @06:21AM (#30901916) Homepage
    I'm pretty sure that demanding 7 weeks off work because you got busted playing World of Warcraft in your cube would be a career limiting move.
  • Flawed theory? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by holiggan ( 522846 ) on Tuesday January 26, 2010 @06:23AM (#30901926)

    From the sumary:

      "(...) we're assessing to see what skills they are lacking so they can be successful in their adult lives (...)"

    Does this mean that videogame addiction "sprouts" from the lack of some "skills" needed for "success" in "adult lives"? Is it just me, or are they trying to shoe-horn videogames as something "for kids" again? And if you play too much of them, does it mean automatically that you are "lacking some skills so you can be a successful adult" (i.e. you are a big kid)?

    Does a smoking addiction sprouts from "lack of skills needed for success in adult lives" as well? How about achool addiction? What sort of skills might a person be "lacking" to "fall" into a smoking habit?

    There is something odd here, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

  • Re:Flawed theory? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by calmofthestorm ( 1344385 ) on Tuesday January 26, 2010 @06:47AM (#30902056)

    Skills such as not playing video games so much that YOU feel that you need to stop. Keep in mind if nothing else that the power of a placebo is correlated with the inconvenience you must undergo (time, money, pain, etc) to achieve it. Sugar pills are less effective than shots are less effective than surgery. If nothing else, the cost and time may well help, and perhaps they develop healthy new hobbies while there such as playing tennis, playing D & D (it's not a prison), and LARPing.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 26, 2010 @10:38AM (#30904026)

    I don't know how the rest of you gamers feel, but I am so tired of people complaining about how we play video games for 2 hours in a night, yet it's ok for them to watch TV for 2 hours. The hypocrisy to me is ridiculous. Someone can sit down and watch a 2 hour movie and that's considered normal and common behavior, but heaven forbid we sit down and play a video game for 2 hours! Does anyone else here feel the same way? Sorry, this has been bugging me for a while. :) /end rant ;)

  • by flyneye ( 84093 ) on Tuesday January 26, 2010 @10:41AM (#30904066) Homepage

    I'd like to start a clinic for the rehabilitation of those addicted to spending money. I can help, honestly. They can turn their money over to me and after a week of therapy, I can guarantee they won't have that problem anymore. They just have to want it bad enough and do the program.
            Once this takes off , I can open my other clinic for women addicted to virginity and celibacy . Is there someone you know, maybe a friend, sister, relative or even your wife who doesn't get any sexual satisfaction due to celebate addiction? Send them my way.
            I'll do anything I can to help.

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