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Rob Bliss: Grand Rapids can attract families, but it needs a younger demographic

Guest writer By Guest writer The Grand Rapids Press
on June 23, 2010 at 6:29 AM, updated June 23, 2010 at 7:33 AM
rob bliss CHALKFLOOD.JPGRob Bliss at the June 13 Sidewalk Chalk Flood he organized in downtown Grand Rapids.

Rob Bliss, 21, might be called a "creative events organizer." He's earned a reputation for his unusual "flash mob" and "urban experiment" gatherings in Grand Rapids that have drawn thousands of young participants ("Chalk Flood," "Zombie Walk," etc.) -- events organized primarily online through Facebook. A student at Grand Rapids Community College, Bliss also works as an account executive at WOOD-TV. Here's how he thinks Grand Rapids can become more vibrant.

Grand Rapids faces a big uphill climb to fully establish itself as a hip, cool place for younger people to live and work.

The reason for this is that in both reality and our image, we have been the destination for those in their upper 30s looking to raise a family. This is why we have an amazing symphony, ballet house, museums, opera house, etc., but it could be a decade before we ever have an American Apparel. Why? The money isn't there. The demographics that would support those kinds of businesses are not nearly as large as the upper-30s demographic.

So, young urbanites get choked out and want to escape Bland Rapids, and the cycle continues. It's a cycle that's hard to break, but slowly young urbanites are carving out their own place to call home. It's going to take years and years for Grand Rapids to establish a more balanced demographic, but I believe it will come.

For one thing, the utilization of social media is having a positive effect on the Grand Rapids area, especially downtown. There is a growing image of the downtown area as a hip, cool place to be for people in the 20- to 35-year-old age demographic, and social media and the hipness that comes with it is spreading.

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People are now more often using it to spread word of events happening, community movements forming, and spreading the good word about local business. The Google fiber movement is probably the best example of all this: Young adults spreading the word primarily through social media, holding events in the downtown, and working to encourage Grand Rapids business.

For another, the green initiative that this city has taken is stunning, and I think a lot of young people are impressed on this one. Also, we are getting closer and closer to having more of a "big city" culture, though at times we can still be like a kid walking in shoes five sizes too big.

By establishing what "Grand Rapids culture" is, which we are becoming more and more aware of, we are moving in the right direction. Heritage, culture and pride are so important. Yes, jobs will bring young people, but those are shallow roots that are easily blown away if a harsh economic wind comes.

I see Grand Rapids as continuing to expand, and finally finding its primary market in the health care sector, a search that left us on uneven footing as a city for so many decades.

Our arts culture will be vastly more developed, and may even become one of our largest draws. People are starting to refer to Grand Rapids as Michigan's "premier city." We are approaching having both the supremely charitable philanthropic community that is willing to build up this city, and the younger generation that is willing to bring it to the cutting edge of the 21st century.

As for myself right now, I am just having fun. I don't know where I'm going to be in 10 years, just trying to keep pushing forward. Maybe I'm just inspired to follow in my hometown's footsteps.


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Weekend review: Serious crash in Ionia County after pair tries to switch seats

Zane McMillin | By Zane McMillin | The Grand Rapids Press
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on July 29, 2013 at 7:07 AM, updated July 29, 2013 at 7:09 AM
ionia crash 7-27-13.jpgA Greenville man, 22, and an Ionia woman, 20, were seriously injured in this 2002 Grand Am on Saturday, July 27 after striking a tree while trying to switch seat on West Belding Road in Orleans Township.

IONIA COUNTY, MI — An attempt to switch seats while driving led to a serious car crash that left two people injured, authorities say.

A 22-year-old Greenville man was flown to Spectrum Health Butterworth Hospital after the crash on M-44 near Decker Road in Orleans Township.

The Ionia County Sheriff’s Office said the male driver was attempting to switch positions inside a 2002 Pontiac Grand Am with the passenger, a 20-year-old Ionia woman, when the crash occurred about 3:45 p.m. on Saturday, July 27.

Attempt to switch seats on M-44 near Ionia caused serious crash, police say

Catch up on other stories you might have missed over the weekend:

Grand Rapids teen shot in the back at Franklin Street and Eastern Ave. SE, police say

Rising from the ashes: Kentwood church destroyed by fire hopes for Easter rebirth

6-foot waves, strong currents expected on Lake Michigan into early week

Gilda's LaughFest loses Guinness World Record for most mustaches in a not-so-close shave

Internet relationship leads to federal mail fraud charge against would-be groom

Cyanide likely seeping into West Bay from Traverse City hotel construction site, says consultant

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U.S. Supreme Court to Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette: Denied; cannot join juvenile lifer arguments

John Barnes | By John Barnes |
on March 15, 2012 at 11:30 AM, updated March 16, 2012 at 11:02 AM
BillSchuette.jpgMichigan Attorney General Bill Schuette sought to join arguments over life sentences for juvenile lifers.

Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette will be on the outside looking in when the U.S. Supreme Court hears arguments Tuesday on the nation’s juvenile lifers.

Justices denied a late bid by Schuette to join oral arguments over life sentences without chance of parole for minors in death cases.

The court’s March 5 rejection was quick, 10 days after Schuette’s office sought to participate in arguments that will help decide the fate of 2,500 inmates nationally. One in seven are in Michigan.

Schuette's office limited its comments to a short statement by spokeswoman Joy Yearout, who said Schuette acted at the request of the defending attorneys general of Alabama and Arkansas.

“We will continue to defend and fight for justice for victims and their families at every opportunity,” she wrote.

Justices also denied Schuette’s request to split the combined cases – one involving a 14-year-old who helped kill a man, the other involving a 14-year-old who participated in a robbery where another teen killed a clerk.

Michigan has more inmates serving time for crimes committed at 17 and younger than any almost any other state, 359, a November investigation by MLive Media Group found.

The court is weighing whether teens are so fundamentally different – in brain development, judgment, and capacity for reform – that sentencing them the same as adults is cruel and unusual punishment.

A brief by Schuette’s office on behalf of himself and 18 other state attorneys general was accepted, arguing the sentences do not violate the Eighth Amendment. The brief says 38 states allow minors 14 and older to be given life-without-parole sentences, and 26 make it mandatory in at least some instances.

“This court should not casually set aside state sovereignty and sentencing authority, particularly in a controversial area that is still subject to considerable national dialogue and debate,” the brief argues.

The filing is one of more than a dozen so-called “friend of the court” briefs submitted by outside parties¬. Schuette’s and two others support the sentences, the National District Attorneys Association and the National Organization of Victims of Juvenile Lifers.

The rest oppose the sentences. They were submitted by groups including the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association and criminal justice professors.

A Michigan woman is cited among relatives of victims who oppose mandatory life sentences for juveniles. Patti Smith, the younger half-sister of Grand Rapids murder victim Robert Sellon, has forgiven the men who beat the 18-year-old to death in a 1981 robbery.

Juvenile lifer David Samel would like to be considered 'Worthy of a second chance' Tammi Smith, sister of murder victim Robert Sellon talks about her journey to forgiving convicted murderers Michael and David Samel.

Seventeen-year-old identical twins David and Michael Samel were convicted, but received different sentences. Michael pleaded to second-degree murder and was released in 2009; David went to trial and received mandatory life in prison. Smith developed friendships with both as adults and believes they have changed.

“A sin is a sin to God,” she said in an interview with MLive Media Group last fall. “We’re the ones who categorize it and say one is worse than the other.”

-- Email statewide projects coordinator John Barnes at or follow him on Twitter.


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Jackson city officials hire Downtown Development Authority director Jonathan Greene as economic development director

Will Forgrave | By Will Forgrave | The Jackson Citizen Patriot
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on May 22, 2013 at 11:30 AM, updated May 22, 2013 at 11:31 AM
wf_jongreene_web.JPGJackson City Manager Patrick Burtch announced Tuesday that DDA Executive Director Jonathan Greene, pictured, was recently hired as the city's economic development director.

JACKSON, MI — The musical chairs at Jackson City Hall continues.

Jackson City Manager Patrick Burtch announced that Downtown Development Authority Executive Director Jonathan Greene was recently hired as economic development director. The announcement was made at the Jackson City Council meeting Tuesday.

Greene will split time between his new duties and the Downtown Development Authority, Burtch said.

The DDA board voted May 7 to reduce Greene's wages and fringe benefits from $57,325 to $30,500 to reflect the partnership with the city. Greene will make between $57,801 and $81,069 annually.

The position is funded through money the city once set aside for the Enterprise Group, the countywide economic development agency that attempts to attract employers to the county.

In the city's budget, Jackson officials cut $100,000 that was once set aside for the EG and created a new Economic Development Activity Fund not earmarked for the group.

Burtch has said the position was created to have an "internal economic development effort."

"We appreciate what the Enterprise Group does and they do a great job, but we think it's somewhat unfair to have township and county municipalities pay toward economic development efforts that help the city and vice versa," he said in April.

Greene will work to create an internal economic development effort for the city which compliments what the Enterprise Group sets out to accomplish, Burtch said.

Greene did not wish to comment on his new job.

City Council members commended Greene on his new position Tuesday night.

"Congratulations to Jon, I know he'll do a wonderful job and promote economic development," said Council Member Laura Dwyer Schlecte, 4th Ward.

The position was one of four government positions that Jackson City Council voted to create in March. The positions are: economic development director, assistant to the city manager, senior civil engineer and records and election coordinator.

Carmen Ryan, a former clerical staffer in the city clerk's office, was hired as the records and election coordinator. Former assistant city engineer Troy White was hired as the senior civil engineer in the city's Engineering Department.

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Burtch said the two positions were created to save the city more than $100,000 a year.

Following former City Clerk Lynn Fessel's retirement, the council appointed Treasurer Andrew Wrozek to act as clerk. Ryan's position was created as a way to reorganize the city clerk's office and save about $90,000 annually.

Similarly, following the January retirement of assistant city engineer Randy McMunn, city officials reorganized the city's engineering department, saving about $20,000.

The fourth job of assistant to the city manager has not been posted, according to Burtch.

"We haven't done anything with that," he said. "We simply created a job classification in case we needed it in the future. The city evolves over time."

Burtch said if City Council feels the city can't afford the position or it doesn't benefit the city, the position won't be posted.

The assistant to the city manager, if posted and hired, would perform administrative work and plan and coordinate projects. The pay range for the position is $51,801 to $72,563.

Contact Will Forgrave at or 517-262-7554. Follow him on Twitter at @WillForgrave.


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Enbridge oil pipeline protestors gather at Mason courthouse to support four charged with felony

Danielle Salisbury | By Danielle Salisbury | The Jackson Citizen Patriot
on August 29, 2013 at 5:20 PM, updated January 15, 2014 at 1:55 PM

MASON, MI – Charged with a felony for her part in protesting an oil pipeline project, Vicci Hamlin seems as determined to fight her criminal case as she was to remain attached to a piece of construction equipment.

“I am willing to go to prison if I have to,” Hamlin said Thursday, Aug. 29, outside Ingham County District Court in Mason, where she and about 30 supporters gathered for a preliminary examination.

At the hearing’s close, District Judge Donald Allen found there was probable cause to believe Hamlin of Michigan City, Ind.; Lisa Leggio of Holland; and Barbara Carter of Detroit resisted and obstructed police and trespassed on property controlled by Enbridge oil corporation. Their cases now will go to circuit court.

Ingham County Sheriff’s deputies arrested the three July 22 in the area of Grimes and Dexter Trail roads northwest of Stockbridge, where Enbridge is replacing and increasing the capacity of the 6B pipeline. The same pipeline ruptured near Marshall in July 2010, spilling more than 800,000 gallons of heavy crude into the Talmadge Creek and the Kalamazoo River.

Leggio and Carter and Hamlin and William Lawrence of East Lansing, who waived his right to the preliminary hearing, used “lockboxes” to affix themselves to two large pieces of machinery.

Sheriff’s Sgt. Melissa Brown testified she told the four they were under arrest for trespassing, a misdemeanor. They were then told if they did not release themselves, they would be charged with a felony. They did not comply with the orders, she said.

Michael Bittle, a lead inspector for Enbridge, and deputies said they believed the protestors and equipment was on Enbridge’s “right of way.” Bittle said the company leases the land and purchased limited access.

Neither he nor the deputies knew the specifics of the arrangements or the exact boundaries of the right of way.

Bittle said the area was marked with stakes.

There are posted signs reading “Keep out construction zone” and “Approved access Enbridge,” according to testimony.

Brown said there is a posted "No trespassing" warning, but protestors disagreed. “There were no signs,” Stephen Boyle of Detroit said after the hearing.

Attorneys for Hamlin, Carter and Leggio contended the prosecution did not present evidence of who owned the property and their agreements with Enbridge.

Assistant Prosecutor Molly Greenwalt failed to establish that a legal owner or occupant of the land told the protestors to disperse, said Kathy Murphy, who represents Carter.

Deputy Ryan Cramer said he was patrolling the area as part of a contract between the sheriff’s office and Enbridge. He said he was given instructions to watch for people on the premises without proper safety attire. Bittle said people are to wear a hard hat, reflective vest, and steel-toed boots.

Greenwalt suggested common sense indicated the group did not have permission to attach themselves to heavy machinery.

As she and the others made their arguments, supporters of the defendants filled the courtroom pews.

Many wore a sticker with the logo for the Michigan Coalition Against Tar Sands, the group responsible for the July protest.

Before and after the hearing, they carried signs. They were hand-written with statements such as “Should police protect people and the earth or corporations and their (money)?”

Leggio said the goal is to bring attention to the pipeline, try to stop its construction, and make people aware it is not only being replaced, but its capacity is increasing.

She and Hamlin said they want to make the world better for their children and grandchildren.

“Money is not the bottom line,” said Leggio, inspired to express her dissent because she met people sick from the Marshall-area spill. “The bottom line is life and sustainable living.”

People have to start questioning the authorities in their lives, said Boyle, who was at the July 22 protest. He, along with several others, was charged with only trespassing.

“If we don’t, we will be enslaved by them,” he said.

There are far more oil spills than people realize, he said.

“If we lose the planet, I don’t think we have a backup,” he said.


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Hundreds answer homeless shelter's plea for toiletries

KALAMAZOO — In September, the staffers and volunteers at Ministry with Community were desperately slicing bars of soap into halves, then into quarters, to dole out to the 60 to 80 homeless people who shower there daily.

And then the supply ran dry.

There was no shampoo, no soap, no deodorant and no shaving cream. There were no toothbrushes, no razors and no feminine hygiene items.

Simply put, there was no dignity. The hundreds who depend on the Kalamazoo day shelter as their sole source of hygiene were out of luck when, for the first time in the seven years that Executive Director Kendra Stetser Rowe has been with the agency, the cupboards were bare.

Ed Bertemes, 52, was among about 200 people who cleaned up for several days with the only two comforts that Ministry with Community had left to offer — a shower stall and hot water.

“It was terrible,” said Bertemes, formerly of St. Joseph, who has showered at Ministry with Community three times a week for the past year and a half. “I lost my house, my marriage and my business, so homelessness is new to me — this happened just when I didn’t think my life could get any worse. Something like this can wipe out any self-esteem you have left. It makes you just want to give up.”

Bertemes had hoarded a bit of deodorant and toothpaste in the backpack he carries, but had to rinse himself with plain water for days. Others, he said, resorted to humiliating measures.

“Some people took plastic baggies into gas station restrooms and filled them with liquid soap,” he said. “It was the only way they could think of to get clean.”

At that point, staff members and volunteers scoured their homes and picked up a few items. Some needy shelter patrons found a spare buck — or two or three — and took those single bills to the nearest discount store to gather whatever they would buy.

Then, the community stepped up.

Late in the afternoon on Sept. 18, hours after a Kalamazoo Gazette article ran on the agency’s crisis, Ministry with Community’s phones started ringing.

Families, businesses, community leaders and individuals wanted to know how to help. Churches, schools, nonprofits, scout troops, rotary clubs, labor unions, health organizations and others sprang to action.

Some went door-to-door while others set up collection boxes. Children counted their pennies and collected bottles to return and groups hastily threw together events to gather toiletries for the agency.

Some people donated items from their homes while others purchased new goods. Some wrote checks.

Radio listeners respond

Local radio personality Buddy Hannah took to the airwaves the next day on his current-affairs talk show, “Talk it Up” (on “The Touch” AM 1560 and FM 95.5), to challenge his listeners.

“I have never been hungry or homeless, but I have been just one paycheck away at times in my life,” Hannah said. “It’s a matter of losing that job.

“It (Ministry with Community) was such a good cause, so I threw it out there — I asked five people to come in with one bag of supplies and before I knew it, one woman walked in with five bags.”

Hannah kept talking and the donations kept coming. By show’s end, his audience had delivered more than 40 grocery bags full of toiletries, plus $80 from people who stopped into the station with cash to give but no time to shop. Hannah did the gathering on their behalf and delivered the items.

“Suffering people needed help and my listeners really came through,” he said. “It was beautiful.”

Dental society contributes

Dr. John Deppen, a pediatric dentist who practices in Portage, clipped the story and kept it until the Kalamazoo Valley District Dental Society met Oct. 5 and approached its board to ask for a contribution. That night’s “yes” vote resulted in a $1,000 gift, that bought 7,500 oral hygiene items — 2,500 each of toothbrushes, dental floss and miniature tubes of toothpaste.

According to Deppen, the effort has continued — the 170 members from three counties are being encouraged to donate from their individual offices.

“Some are dropping off at my office and some volunteer to drive to different offices to collect the donations and take straight to MWC,” he said.

The formerly bare shelves at Ministry with Community now overflow with toiletries that should take Ministry with Community patrons through the holiday season and possibly into January, Rowe said.

“This is the biggest outpouring we have ever had for an emergency situation,” said Monika Trahe, the agency’s development director.

It was a great relief for Ed Bertemes to be able to feel clean again.

“It was fantastic what the community did for us,” he said. “We’re so grateful. If I could talk to anyone who donated, I’d ask, ‘Do you need help moving? Do you need your leaves raked? You helped me, so how can I help you?’”


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Do you love weather, storm chasing? This free course is just for you

OCEANA COUNTY – The area is in need of more weather service volunteers and a free course in Oceana County is being offered later this month.

The National Weather Service in Grand Rapids and the Oceana and Mason county emergency management groups are hosting the 2012 annual SkyWarn Training from 7 to 9 p.m. on March 29 at the Oceana Medical Care Facility, in the second floor conference room, 701 E. Main, in Hart.

The course is free to the public.

SkyWarn, an all-volunteer program, was established by the National Weather Service and has nearly 290,000 trained weather spotters, according to its website.

Volunteers, who include police and fire personnel, dispatchers, EMS workers and public utility workers, “provide timely and accurate reports of severe weather to the National Weather Service,” according to the website.

For more information about SkyWarn, visit the site at


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Editorial: The real objection: Oceana planners need to own up to reasons behind offshore wind ban

You have to admire the tenacity of the Oceana County Planning Commission.

The panel opposes construction of a wind farm in Lake Michigan and is continuing its opposition just in case the Scandia Wind LLC plan resurfaces. The planning commission recently issued a press release deriding the proposal yet again.

In early 2010, Scandia proposed placing wind turbines in Lake Michigan off the shore of Pentwater and Silver Lake. After a very contentious public hearing in July 2010, Oceana planners recommended rejection of a feasibility study for the proposal.

Scandia representatives had said that if a county rejected the proposal, the company would honor that. Both Oceana and Mason counties rejected the plan.

Now the planners claim they have uncovered information proving the wind farm wasn't feasible.

Their press release said the planners conducted a study — after they had made their decision to reject the proposal — and discovered information about the number of jobs the project would have provided. It focused on where the construction of the bases for the turbines would have been located and whether it was even possible to build them at the proposed site.

In any case, they argued that would have meant fewer jobs in West Michigan and they wondered if Scandia hadn't done the study themselves or if the company had deliberately misled government officials and the public.

The only problem is the information the planners uncovered about the work site for the bases had been publicly reported nearly two years ago. Other arguments presented by the planners about a visit to the Norwegian firm that has constructed similar bases were undocumented.

We're not interested in getting into a debate with Oceana planners over their research methods. But we do want to point out the irony of their study.

When the planners voted to reject the wind farm 16 months ago, they didn't turn down the project, they turned down the opportunity for a feasibility study that would have determined the viability of a Lake Michigan project. It also would have looked into the other issues that the Oceana planners now claim to have uncovered. Several other more serious issues like the effect of wind turbines on wildlife and other environmental factors also would have been reviewed.

But the Oceana planners rejected that opportunity.

In addition, Oceana and Mason county residents have prompted their state representatives, Jon Bumstead, R-Newaygo, and Rep. Ray Franz, R-Onekama, to sponsor a bill that prohibits any study of offshore wind farms in Michigan. Bumstead said there has been so much research done on offshore wind turbines that no more is needed.

It's almost as if Oceana County is afraid that continued research will create more cost effective turbines. In fact, that's what has happened in the last year as improved rotors, motors and blades have been developed increasing the viability of wind power.

Concerns about wind farms "industrializing" the Great Lakes also have been raised by Oceana and Mason county officials. But what about Great Lakes shipping? Commercial and recreational fishing and boating? Ferry traffic? Dumping of coal ash into Lake Michigan? Pumping of Lake Michigan water into a power plant to generate electricity? All of these industrial uses already take place in Oceana and Mason counties.

What about the coal plants located on lakeshore around the state, that provide power to those communities?

It's clear Oceana County planners want to protect the county's view of Lake Michigan, which is mostly from property occupied by vacation home owners, and that's fine. We just think they should admit that was their real objection when they turned down the opportunity to be part of a new industry that most likely would have brought jobs to a county that is desperate for them.


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Our Voice: Politicians should lead consolidation of Michigan schools for big money savings

The Saginaw News staff By The Saginaw News staff The Saginaw News
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Just how far will the new leaders of Michigan be willing to go to save money, save public education and save this state?

Certainly, farther than most of Michigan’s squabbling horde of 550 independent public school districts.

Results of a study that this newspaper and its Michigan affiliates commissioned Michigan State University to perform indicate that after three years of reorganization, the state could save $612 million a year.

That would be accomplished simply by consolidating those hundreds of districts into 83 countywide school systems. All that savings, and not a single school closed, the study said.

Statewide, public schools could save $328 million a year if schools in each county consolidated most services, but left the districts independent.

Yet consolidation of school districts in Michigan is equated with the loss of community identity, and a lack of parent connection with their children’s schools. Locally, talk of district consolidation goes nowhere, even as school money plummets along with local and state tax revenues for education.

The MSU study says Saginaw County’s 13 districts could save $10.4 million a year if they joined together as one.

But there’s a lot of doubt out in the smaller districts about whether a bigger district would be better for them. Some say their schools already are efficient. Others don’t want to lose that local touch.

But some Saginaw County districts are talking about more collaboration to save money. Saginaw Township Community Schools, for example, contracts with the Saginaw Intermediate School District to run school buses. Consolidation of expensive bus service appears appealing to some local districts.

Well, great, but the ISDs should be the rallying point for greater savings and better schools than ever, through consolidation.

Given the hundreds of millions of dollars that could be saved statewide, taxpayers must start demanding a better bang for their educational bucks. The time couldn’t be more ripe.

In this election year, we call on all candidates for the Legislature and especially the candidates for governor — Democrat Virg Bernero and Republican Rick Snyder — to draft plans for school consolidation.

No half-measures allowed, such as merely consolidating services, but leaving local districts intact.

Beyond the money savings that the MSU study indicates, consolidations should bring all school employee unions into countywide units. Part of a state mandate to consolidate should include House Speaker Andy Dillon’s kicked-to-the-curb proposal from last year to include school and state employees in the same group of insurance plans, potentially saving the state millions more.

All the money saved could go right back into making Michigan schools better than ever, so our students can get the best education possible, so our state can grow again into an economic Colossus.

The alternative, the way things are, is unacceptable. Students in one district thrive, while those in another stagger. Teachers are laid off or bought out and schools closed to balance budgets; class sizes get bigger as resources shrink.

It’s a downward spiral that Michigan can reverse.

Where we looked in our series of stories on the study and consolidation, nobody in other states that did so said combining districts was easy.

But they all said it was  worth it, that they would not return to the 19th-century system of fractured and fractious districts that hobbles Michigan.

Urban and suburban students share resources in the home counties of Fort Meyers, Fla., and Raleigh, N.C. In Florida, consolidation made sense to save money decades ago. In North Carolina, first it was desegregation that spurred the move to consolidate; now, the main motive is socioeconomic opportunity for all.

In those cases, bigger districts — fewer districts — are better.

In the middle of the last century, Michigan had thousands of tiny school districts. In the 1960s, it made dollars and sense to merge into the present number. Michigan is no stranger to school district consolidation.

And it shouldn’t be out of the question now.

Demand the best of our schools, for our students.

Expect the leaders we elect this fall to show us the way.


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Red Wings agree: Pavel Datsyuk is NHL's best

Ansar Khan | By Ansar Khan |
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Detroit's Pavel Datsyuk, left, celebrates a recent goal with teammate Darren Helm.

DETROIT -- Before joining the Detroit Red Wings, Marian Hossa watched them on TV and marveled at Pavel Datsyuk.

"When you see him on an everyday basis, he's even better than you thought,'' Hossa said.

Hossa called Datsyuk the most complete player in the NHL. Captain Nicklas Lidstrom said he should be a Hart Trophy candidate as league MVP.

Datsyuk takes a nine-game scoring streak (five goals, 11 assists) into tonight's game against Minnesota at Joe Louis Arena.

The surge has bumped him up to fourth in the league in scoring with 68 points, behind only Pittsburgh's Evgeni Malkin and Sidney Crosby, and last season's MVP, Alex Ovechkin of Washington.

Only Boston rookie Blake Wheeler has a better plus-minus rating (plus-32) than Datsuyk's plus-30.

"I can't think of somebody else who is more complete than Pavel,'' Hossa said. "He has ability to steal the puck, he plays well defensively. I think he's the best all-around player in the world right now.''

Datsyuk might be hard-pressed to garner serious Hart Trophy consideration. He was the league's fourth-leading scorer last season and also won the Selke Trophy as the top defensive forward, but still wasn't a Hart finalist.

"I don't know why that is because we've seen what he can do on a daily basis,'' Lidstrom said. "He should be considered (as) a Hart nominee.''

He continues to be overshadowed, however, by many of the game's younger stars, particularly in the Eastern Conference.

"I don't know why he doesn't have that recognition in the league, but lots of players know he's right there with Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin,'' Hossa said. "He's proving it night by night. People think he's not fast, but he's sneaky fast. He has lots of power in his legs and it's just fun to watch him.''

Datsyuk is on pace to become the first Red Wing to record 100 points since Sergei Fedorov tallied 107 in 1995-96.

"He never starts (the season) on fire, but gets better and better and usually is his best at playoff time,'' coach Mike Babcock said. "He's so good with the puck, so responsible defensively, and yet he can be such a physical player at the same time. I think that's one the things that's underrated about him, how physical he can be.''

Babcock said Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg, recently reunited on the same line, have "magic together.''

Datsyuk, who began the season on a line with Hossa and Tomas Holmstrom, excels regardless of who plays on his line.

"The player he plays with just has to find the open spot, or battle in the corner and get Pav the puck,'' Lidstrom said. "Pav can find those players, in front of the net or in the high slot.''

Hossa likened Datsyuk to the main character in one of his favorite action movies.

"When he comes into a situation where you think he's going to get hammered or hit ugly, all the sudden he's like the 'Terminator,' when he goes through the glass, just moves through people,'' Hossa said. "Just unbelievable how he (maintains) the puck and goes like nothing happened. Not many players can do that.''

Is there anything Datsyuk doesn't do well?

"I was surprised that his English is not so great,'' Hossa joked.

Let's make a deal
Hossa was asked if he thinks it is possible for the Red Wings, with their limited salary cap space in 2009-10, to re-sign both him and Johan Franzen.

"Anything can happen,'' Hossa said. "Obviously, they have some plan to keep both players. We'll see how they're going to manage that.

"Everybody knows if you want to stay here, you have to take less (money), so yes (he'll take less).''

Babcock was optimistic.

"I know Kenny (general manager Holland) will get 'er done, I know Hoss will get it done,'' Babcock said.

Injury updates
• Defenseman Brad Stuart skated briefly Tuesday but his upper-body strength and motion is lacking due to his spinal compression fracture and rib injury.

"In simple terms, I broke my back in a spot, which sounds worse than it really is,'' Stuart said. "It's just really sore, one of those things that takes time. No danger of making it worse.''

He hopes to begin practicing soon, but might be out for a couple of more weeks.

• Franzen (bruised tendons in hand) skated by himself before practice Wednesday, without a stick. He does not expect to return before next Wednesday's game against Nashville.

• Darren McCarty was back on the ice with the team for the first time since late November, skating for the first 15-20 minutes of practice. McCarty hasn't played since Nov. 24 due to a sports hernia, for which he underwent surgery on Jan. 6.

• The club said Holmstrom had successful surgery Wednesday in Philadelphia to repair a sports hernia. He is expected to be out three-to-five weeks.


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2002 MLS Cup: LA Galaxy vs. NE Revolution

FOXBOROUGH – The Los Angeles Galaxy defeated the New England Revolution, 1-0, in overtime to win their first MLS Cup trophy in front of 61,316 fans at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough, Massachusetts.

Carlos Ruiz scored the game-winner for the Galaxy in the 113th minute to secure Los Angeles’s first league title in their fourth appearance in the championship game.

Ruiz, who earned MVP honors, had multiple opportunities to put Los Angeles on the board, but had been denied until the second period of extra time. A low cross on a Galaxy counterattack found the left foot of the Guatemalan striker who one-timed the ball into the right side of the net.

A record-setting crowd at the new Gillette Stadium saw the first scoreless half in MLS Cup history, as well as the first scoreless 90 minutes, before Ruiz’s tally dropped their hometown Revolution in the franchise’s first MLS Cup appearance.

MLS Cup VII: October 20, 2002
Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, Massachusetts
MVP: Carlos Ruiz (LA)

Scoring Summary:
LA -- Carlos Ruiz 8 (Tyrone Marshall 2, Chris Albright 1) 113

Misconduct Summary:
NE -- Joe Franchino (caution; Dangerous play) 25
NE -- Carlos Llamosa (caution; Dangerous play) 60
LA -- Simon Elliott (caution; Dangerous play) 95

LA Galaxy -- Kevin Hartman, Alexi Lalas, Danny Califf, Tyrone Marshall, Ezra Hendrickson, Sash Victorine, Mauricio Cienfuegos (Peter Vagenas 61), Simon Elliott, Cobi Jones, Alejandro Moreno (Chris Albright 67), Carlos Ruiz.

New England Revolution -- Adin Brown, Carlos Llamosa (Rusty Pierce 92+), Joe Franchino, Daouda Kante, Jay Heaps, Leo Cullen, Daniel Hernandez, Steve Ralston, Brian Kamler (Winston Griffiths 90), Taylor Twellman, Wolde Harris (Alex Pineda Chacon 76).

Referee: Kevin Terry
Referee's Assistants: Greg Barkey, Richard Eddy
4th Official: Michael Kennedy
Weather: Sunny, 65 degrees
Attendance: 61,316


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On Fire: Falling back in playoff hunt after home loss

BRIDGEVIEW, Ill. — The Chicago Fire fell further back in the playoff race Saturday night, losing to the Portland Timbers 1-0 at Toyota Park.

The Fire were undone by a couple of critical calls, one which gave Portland a penalty kick that led to their 25th-minute goal and another that saw center back Yamith Cuesta sent off with his second yellow card in the 63rd minute.

While the Fire didn’t get any favors from the referee, they also didn’t take care of their own business, struggling in several areas en route to their second straight loss to the expansion Timbers.

This week’s On Fire takes a closer look at the Fire’s second loss to Portland this season.

1) More finishing woes

The Fire’s finishing issues continued on Saturday, with the team missing several good opportunities as they searched for an equalizer.

Chicago came closest to scoring in the 44th and 71st minutes, with defender Cory Gibbs (above) and forward Orr Barouch both ricocheting shots off the woodwork. Gibbs hit the frame first, running onto a Daniel Paladini corner kick at the near post before snapping a good header off the inside of the far bar.

“It was unlucky,” Gibbs said after the match. “[Defender Jalil Anibaba] did well setting the pick on my man and I headed it far post and it hit the post.”

Gibbs couldn’t have done much better with his chance, but Barouch probably should’ve put his opportunity away. A bouncing ball fell to the open rookie forward at the top of the six-yard box, but he couldn’t find the net, hitting a screaming half-volley off the bar and out of danger.

“It was just rolling back to me and I just tried to put it in the goal and ended up hitting the crossbar again,” Barouch said. “It’s very frustrating. I think that’s about the sixth time I’ve hit the crossbar this year.”

2) League break coming at the right time

The Fire plan on taking advantage of their two-and-a-half-week break from league play, using their time off to get their heads in order and prepare for what they hope will be a second-half playoff push.

"I think this break comes in handy for us," Fire winger Patrick Nyarko said. "Everyone should sit down and look at himself and look at how we can help the team get back our winning ways after the break. If you look at the table, we're not really that out of it yet. We're still in the mix."

Although the Fire are preparing to face Manchester United in the World Football Challenge on Saturday (5 pm ET, ESPN2, ESPN Deportes), Gibbs echoed Nyarko’s sentiments by telling reporters that the break from MLS competition will give the team time to understand what they need to do better.

“I think those two-and-a-half weeks are going to be needed for a reflection period,” Gibbs said. “Not to go crazy, but to mentally stay tuned.”

3) Oduro out of it

Dominic Oduro has been one of Chicago’s best players all season long, but it appears teams have figured out how to slow the speedy winger down.

Since his solid outing against Chivas USA on July 2, Oduro has been taken out of games by physical marking from the LA and Portland defenses. Both teams got a bit rough with the Ghanaian attacker and he didn’t respond very well in either match, failing to create the high number of opportunities he had in previous matches.

Sam Stejskal covers the Chicago Fire for E-mail him at and follow him on Twitter @samstejskal.


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CONCACAF Champions League: Sporting Kansas City shouldn't "settle for anything less" than winning group

KANSAS CITY, Mo. – Jacob Peterson has been through all of this before: The long midweek journeys by plane and bus. The spartan facilities. The hostile crowds – all the things that challenge MLS clubs on the road in CONCACAF Champions League play.

And as one of only two available players on Sporting Kansas City's roster with CCL experience, and the only one who's likely to start Wednesday night's group stage opener against Nicaraguan side Real Esteli (10 pm ET, Fox Soccer Plus), Peterson will have to draw on that experience – and share it with his clubmates.

“It's a strange atmosphere,” said the well-traveled winger, who played in the tournament's group stage in 2010 while with Toronto FC. “It's not like you're just going over to LA and playing in a nice stadium with good locker rooms. There are some interesting stadiums down there. The hotels aren't great. The food's suspect, so there are some factors that make it challenging.

“We've talked about those, and everybody's aware of that, so there are no excuses,” he added. “It all comes down to if we attack the game with the right mentality.”

That means adapting to the street-smart Central American style of play, Peterson said.

“They're technical, andd they're sneaky in the way they play,” he said. “If they're up, they time-waste. They roll around on the ground. Everybody knows that, so we have to make sure that starting off the game, we don't let these guys get into it.”

Officiating in the tournament also requires MLS players to make an adjustment, Peterson said.

“They see the way the guys dive, or they fall down with little contact, and you can get in trouble as far as card accumulation or red cards,” he said. “So we've got to be careful. We've got to keep our minds but also attack the game and be physical as well.”

Forward Kei Kamara also has CCL experience, with Houston in 2008-09 and 2009-10, but is not likely to be in the starting XI against Real Esteli because Sporting have a home league match against New England on Saturday.

Left back Josh Gardner and midfielder Paulo Nagamura have also played in the CCL with other MLS clubs, but both are unavailable on Wednesday as they recover from injury.

Despite those and other absences – including All-Star midfielder Graham Zusi, who is out with a quad strain – Peterson expects Sporting to come through the group stage on top.

“The ownership group has given us every opportunity to succeed,” he said, “and I think that advancing, winning our group – I don't think we should settle for anything less than that. Hopefully, this game here will start us off on a good note.”

Steve Brisendine covers Sporting Kansas City for MLSsoccer.com.


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UFC on Fox 6 will take place on Jan. 26 from the United Center in Chicago. UFC officials announced the bout via UFC Tonight on Tuesday.

Demetrious “Mighty Mouse” Johnson won the inaugural 125-pound title in September when he picked up a unanimous decision victory over Joseph Benavidez.

Now the Washington native will put the flyweight belt on the line for the first time ever, while also headlining the next major UFC on Fox card.

Opposing Johnson in Chicago will be Ultimate Fighter season 14 winner John Dodson.

The Team Jackson/Winkeljohn fighter earned the title shot with back-to-back wins at flyweight including his last victory over former top ranked 125-pounder Jussier Da Silva.

Now Dodson will look to become the latest Ultimate Fighter winner to wrap gold around their waist in the UFC.

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Tech was near and far side armbars from knee on belly. Drilled from side control.

Rolled with a black belt and a brown, lots of transitins with me on the losing end overall but held up well with no submissions.

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Reem will need to be very accurate with his power punches to drop JDS, as where all JDS needs is a stiff jab and he can put reem on his ass.. JDS is just faster more agile and has a better chin.. overeem is going to be telegraphing power punches and all its gonna take from JDS is a quick slip and rip and overeem will be out cold.. reem is highly overrated.
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Manny Gamburyan?? Really guys?? Have you seen him fight? First off IMO, Manny is THE MOST BORING fighter I have ever seen step into the octogan. All he does in his fights is hump the other guy on the ground for 3 rounds making sure he does enough technical stuff to pull off a decision, as evident in TUF. Why he keeps getting fights over guys like Lauzon, Diaz, Wiman, even Richie Hightower is beyond me..oh yeah, there's that fact that he's Karo's cousin and you can tell by watching parisyan it's his way or the highway in life. I hope they both get a few losses in a row so we can move on to some better (and more exciting fighters.) I hope Emerson demolishes the chump.
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Eating better
:)so im trying to get into better shape by working out and eating better. im going on a regimen of eating grilled chicken with green veggies and fruits. no soda or sweet tea. sticking to the basics. my question is can i drink protein shakes whenever i want when im hungry or will that just keep the weight on? whats a good snacking food for when im hungry during day?

Gluteal Cleft 01-19-2012 01:31 AM

Carrots are awesome. Very low calorie, lots of nutrients, and a lot of fiber to keep your digestive system working well. Apples fall into the same category. And I can really get into a bowl of spinach with a little bit of Caesar dressing.

Will protein shakes keep the weight on? It doesn't matter if it's protein shakes or cheeseburgers, calories in vs. calories out.

wukkadb 01-19-2012 11:18 AM

Good snacks are nuts, especially almonds. Very calorie dense, but very healthy with lots of good fats and protein. And you can drink protein shakes whenever you want... but you should be aiming at 4-6 small "meals" a day, so use those protein shakes as one of those "small meals." Protein shakes are good, but they shouldn't be taking up more of your diet than real food.

The Dark Knight 01-20-2012 02:51 PM

Diet sounds fairly decent enough. Listen to what wukkadb said except be VERY careful on what type of protein shake you get.

I'm a BIG believer in plant based proteins when it comes to supplements. They are MUCH kinder on the digestive system and heart than stuff like whey and other dairy like protein shakes.

Stick to Barley grass and hemp protein. Spirulina is pretty good too. Avoid dairy supplements at all costs. Hell avoid dairy as much as you can, I say. Even if you aren't allergic, it WILL benefit you greatly.

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Incoming: 250,000 More Beta Invites - Wave 4
Blizzard is still working hard to make everyone happy and sent another wave of 250,000 Beta Invites, bringing the total to 550,000 Annual Pass Invites since the initial wave of beta testing!
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That’s right -- we’re in the process of sending 250,000 additional beta-test invites to Annual Pass holders. Keep an eye on your email and account for an invitation to come test Mists of Pandaria with us.

As with previous waves, it’s going to take a while for the invites to process, so we recommend checking your games list in Account Management to see whether yours has arrived yet. Once it does, you’ll see the Mists of Pandaria beta client available for download from there. We expect this entire wave to take a day or so to complete.

We appreciate the enthusiasm of everyone who signed up for the World of Warcraft Annual Pass, and we’re working hard to get you into the beta. We know you’re excited to explore Pandaria and test the new content, and we’ll keep you posted here in the forums when we’re ready to send out another wave.
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  1. Triplenick's Avatar
    I got in about an hour ago.

    Started playing June 2006. I signed up for the AP in October. US.
  1. Zeroskillz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Wrathchild View Post
    Yeah the whole seniority thing is bullshit, they're just picking random people. My wife's account never lapsed since it was created in early 08, annual pass since October. And people with newer accounts and passes created later are getting though. Blizzard is just feeding the masses lines of shit as usual. They just picking people at random. We'll get it whenever they feel like it or RNG is on our side I suppose.
    Exactly, it's just random or atleast it seems like that by reading some of the posts.. Blizzard can't keep what they said but hey it's not like it's the first time this happens!

    Im not mad or anything but i'm sure as hell not gonna sit around and wait for it if it's based on rng... Like everything els in the WoW series!
  1. Rifter's Avatar
    2005 - AP first day - US - got in
  1. Alliryian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tierbook View Post
    possible but i dont think 4 servers can hold around 550k people

    also to the guy above me: ur paying blizz more not getting annual pass i do believe also u used to be able to get into beta without paying
    yes they did and they will. but only AFTER they get all the annual pass people in who were GUARANTEED access. i don't get why so many people can't accept the logic of letting people in who were told they were getting guaranteed access in before letting in the non-annual pass holders.
  1. Venny's Avatar
    Got mine.

    Started WoW trial 1/12/2008, AP while Morhaime was speaking. No interruptions in payment.
  1. Desareon's Avatar
    anyone else having problems DL?
  1. Time Sage's Avatar
    Still not in :|
  1. Al3sinth's Avatar
    Started March 05' and AP'd soon as it became available. Still nothing but my brother and all my other friends who started playing after me got in on 2nd wave. I'm starting to think its because we have the same address and won't give 2 passes to one address or something.
  1. enzity's Avatar
    I got in today without Anual Pass, my guildmate hooked me up!
  1. Wrathchild's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Al3sinth View Post
    Started March 05' and AP'd soon as it became available. Still nothing but my brother and all my other friends who started playing after me got in on 2nd wave. I'm starting to think its because we have the same address and won't give 2 passes to one address or something.
    No. Some husband/wife(fiancee) combos have gotten double passes. So will give multiples to same address if different accounts.
  1. Aemos's Avatar
    I'm in.

    I'm happy.
  1. jries's Avatar
    Just got my invite...AND I WAS GOING TO SLEEP TONIGHT!
  1. Eliandal's Avatar
    Ye gads.... I hope you're all on the EU server the Isles is already a mess

    COngrats to all those with invites....and...good luck (you'll see why soon enough ;P!!)
  1. Up There's Avatar
    Looks like Blizzard will get everyone in just fine
  1. Runeweaver's Avatar
    Finally got in!
  1. Kelz's Avatar
    2007. AP on release day. no invite
  1. matters's Avatar
    Can only hope that they are still sending them out as i have yet to receive one thus far.

    Like i posted when everyone (or at least the most vocal 'everyone') was smashing Blizzard saying that the whole annual pass thing is BS and this and that, they WILL invite EVERYONE who bought the ap. When you get your invite depends on when they decide to send you one not when you think you should have received one.
  1. lockblock's Avatar
    This gonna be chaos when the next zone/update gets released
  1. justmealex's Avatar
    anybody else getting a error while trying to logg in?
  1. Alliryian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon9870 View Post
    A.Pass: Day 1.

    First account created: A month or so after launch.
    Current account created: Patch 2.4.3 (Blizzard has on files that my other account is linked to this one.

    No beta club. I'm starting to get pissed.

    If it wasn't obvious yet, they completely lied about seniority.
    really? then how come i've seen no-1 post saying they have got in with an account any later then 2008? if they COMPLETELY lied about seniority there would be just as many people saying they've got it and only bought their account in 2009/10/11/12, but there aren't any, and i HIGHLY doubt that blizzard is going to bother looking through their files to see that you claimed that you had an account made a month or so after launch and link it to your 2.4.3 one, they are going to be ticking you off as if you made it in 2.4.3, my account was made at cata launch (though i had an old account that got hacked that i made right before BC launch) and i only got BETA in febuary so i know im going to be in the last wave but i don't care! because for 1, if you get in in any of these wave's you are not going to be able to do anything because they still only have a few servers and there will be tonnes of people getting in at once and the servers will be laggy and/or crash from the stress, though if you get in later they will more then likely have more servers up, most of the server lag/crash issues would of been worked out and all the people from the previous waves would of moved on by now, not to mention there will be MUCH more content to test later on, all you've got now is pandaren starting zone and the jade forest (85-86 pandaren zone), so just be patient for god's sake.

    And I am only going to say this once, THE INVITES FOR THIS WAVE HAVE NOT FINISHED YET, the blue poster estimated it will take a whole day to get sorted out! that is 24 hours estimated time and it has only been 1-2 hours since they announced it! that means only 5-10% (rough guess) of the total invites have been sent out! HAVE SOME FUCKING PATIENCE!

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    2- Karazhan (for the layout and the atmosphere) I like Sunwell too but spent too few time there.
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    4- Firelands (loved the personnal responsibility there, and I found the bosses impressive)
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    5. MoP - hard choice, every tier in MoP was very good, but if I need to pick one then it's SoO for ammount of bosses and cool lore.
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    Classic - Didn't played
    BC - Didn't played
    Wrath - ICC
    Cata - Didn't raided
    MoP - Didn't played

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    2. The Burning Crusade - Karazhan
    3. Wrath of the Lich King - Icecrown Citadel
    4. Cataclysm - Firelands
    5. Mist of Pandaria - Siege of Orgrimmar

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    1. Vanilla: Only did MC
    2. Burning Crusade: Sunwell
    3. Wrath of the Lich King: Ulduar
    4: Cataclysm: Bastion of Twilight
    5. Mists of Pandaria: Siege of Orgrimmar

  7. #147
    Vanilla - BWL
    BC - Black Temple/Kara (tied)
    WOTLK - Ulduar/ICC (tied)
    Cata - Firelands
    MoP - SoO

  8. #148
    1. Vanilla - Molten Core I'd love to say Naxx but I didn't play it at 60
    2. TBC - Kara
    3. WoTLK - Ulduar (Also loved Icc)
    4. Cata - DS
    5. MoP - Soo

  9. #149
    1. Kara - still the best imho, concubines and wizards chess
    2. Naxx
    3. ICC

  10. #150
    Did not play

    Ulduar was the overall best, though H Lei Shen may be the best fight, at least that I've ever completed.

  11. #151
    1. Onyxia's Lair
    2. Gruul's
    3. ICC
    4. BoT
    5. Hate them all

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    BC: Kara (now that I am not farming it week in and week out), BT (because I never got there at level and it seemed so prestigious)
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    Cata: I stopped raiding after T11 and honestly did not enjoy any of the 3 first tier raids
    MoP: I've only done them in LFR (and SoO in Flex, partly) so it's hard to judge, because of the chopped-up wings... SoO is pretty cool.

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    Vanilla: Naxxramas
    The Burning Crusade: Karazhan
    Wrath of the Lich King: Ulduar
    Cataclysm: ehhh, Firelands
    Mists of Pandaria: Siege of Orgrimmar

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    Vanilla: BWL
    Burning Crusade: MH
    Wrath of the Lich King: none of them where dat good, ICC i guess
    Cataclysm: FL
    Mists of Pandaria: SoO

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    Level 80 Naxxramas on my Hunter. Fun times. I used to pug every week 25 man and got all of my cryptstalker and the bad ass gun from KT before I started raiding with an actual guild.

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    On a hunter, raiding Razor Hill in Durotar on patch 1.4.0 day when they released pvp ranking system.

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    Scholo maybe? wait does WSG count? lol

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    If you go by today's definitions; UBRS back at lvl 60 when it was 15-man. However, no one back then actually viewed 15-man as a 'raid', so yeah, I guess Molten Core a few months after launch would have to be my final answer. ^^

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    My first dungeon was Gnomeregan and for some reason because I was still a noob, for months I thought that the entrance to Gnomeregan was the Tram in SW :/ >_<
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    have quite a few fond memories during vanilla... though not necessarily fond memories OF vanilla.

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    Must of been at that moment I fell in love with this game.

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    ZG when i was only level 58 on my resto druid. I begged my guild and they brought me in.

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    UBRS 15, at level 52? Don't remember. But far below level 60.

    The first "real" raid was MC 1 Day after hitting level 60, with quite poor gear. It was terrible, but after long fights and wipes we managed to kill even Lucifron!

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    Bastion of twilight was first time I raided. Beginning of cata obv, when it was only BoT and Bwd out

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This is a help guide to anyone who has to you 2 numbers but doesn't want to carry 2 phones.

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Using two SIM cards in one phone is increasingly becoming an option that people are willing to consider. Using both a personal and a business number with one single handset, saving some money by combining two different plans or network carriers, or using regularly local pre-paid cards on your business trips - all those are just example reasons why one should turn attention to a dual-SIM mobile. You no longer need to carry two mobiles on you at all times since manufacturers have been coming up with ingenious ways of dealing with the situation. The dual SIM holder was the forerunner, dual SIM adapters following shortly after. These were obviously not enough of a remedy, so dual SIM phones have recently started to appear on the market. Major mobile phones manufacturers seem disinterested, or try to avoid potential pressure from the telecoms. However, small-scale manufacturers have taken the plunge in search of their own little corner on the market. There are also attempts to resolve the issue using software instead of hardware means, like redirecting calls for example. In the lines to follow, we are going to show you all the ways to get around having two handsets. Some of them, we hope, may prove useful to you.

Dual SIM holder - A decent beginning
The first and simplest solution was a dual SIM holder, which allows you to connect two SIM cards to your card slot. It is by far the cheapest of options but it does not even come close to fully solving the problem. The main flaw it has is that it does not really work with both cards simultaneously. Instead one SIM is operating at a given time while the other, which is referred to as ghost-SIM, is unusable. The user is able to alternate the two by turning the phone off and then back on. Not a great improvement compared to carrying the second SIM in your wallet and changing it when necessary. It only saves you the effort to remove the back cover and battery, reducing the replacement time by a couple of seconds or minutes, depending on you phone's design and the time it needs to turn off and then back on. The other major downer is the holder size. Quite bigger than a normal SIM, it just won't fit in some handsets. All in all, this solution is only applicable if you use the alternative SIM card rarely or you use it only for those casual outgoing calls.

Dual SIM adapter - evolution, not revolution
Basically, adapters do not differ much from holders, as they function in pretty much the same way. The main difference, which is to say, the major benefit is that the dual SIM adapter is the same size as a regular SIM card and therefore can fit in any phone. On the other hand, fitting the two SIM cards in the module can be a challenge as you need to extract the actual SIM chips out of their plastic beds and then place them in the adapter. Cutting and puncturing your cards involves a certain level of risk. Fortunately, most dual SIM adapter dealers will do that for you upon purchase. Some more recent models allow switching between the SIM cards without turning the phone off. Instead, a switch SIM option appears on the phone menu. Yet, you still can't use the two SIM cards simultaneously. The other bad news for those considering SIM holders and adapters is that neither option will do much of a job on a locked phone, unless both cards used are of the same carrier.

Dual SIM phones take one - small steps the right way
The first reportedly dual SIM mobiles turned more of a marketing gimmick than the Holy Grail for people with too little space in their pocket. They were claimed to have two SIM card slots, and they did! But only one could be used at a time. So no great improvement here, except that alternating the cards was possible without turning the phone off. Plus, fitting both SIM cards into the phone wasn't that much of a burden any more - so much for cutting and clipping. Also, the dual SIM phones are never carrier-locked, which is a real load off. Falling just short of a breakthrough, these forerunners were a promise that a device able to operate with two SIM cards simultaneously was on the way.

Dual phones - Real deal
Putting some thought on it, some people came with the idea of mechanically connect two mobiles in a way that will allow using both. One of the pioneers was the WND Telecom. Their Wind DUO 2000 did have decent looks on top of doing the job it was designed to. Although not exactly a top class feature-rich phone, it was adequately sized and reasonable. Another, more recent, addition to the dual phones ranks - the iCool G700 - was a clamshell with two SIM cards. In fact it's another combination of two phones, each with its own screen and keypad, only using the same battery. The Wind DUO Atom is probably also worth mentioning here. It's been announced and should be coming soon, but we'll get back to that later in the article. One thing we have to admit: though a little odd-looking, these phones are up to their task and they manage to deliver.

Dual SIM phones take two - Veni, vidi, vici!
Finally, we come to the latest release - an actual dual SIM card phone. Not just one that can store two SIMs, but one that is actually capable of operating them as easy as one-two-three. And we had our hands on one of these. Manufactured by CECT, now one of the best known Chinese mobile phone makers, this device claims to be as good as two separate handsets, packed in one. It is indeed a very compact and quite tasteful bar. Well, probably not the LG Prada or Nokia Sirocco stuff , but honestly, we've seen way worse by far better-rated makers. Stay with us while we check how good it is at handling its two SIM cards. See if it's the dream solution to your two-handsets-are-too-much-for-my-pocket problem.

heeey wat r itzZ defects??? i'wud like to know.......
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Samsung's dual-SIM DuoS D880

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Dual-SIM handsets are a completely foreign concept in these parts, but in parts of Asia, they're a fairly common sight (three SIMs, though -- that's another story). Samsung's contributing its "DuoS" D880 slider to the fray, offering the capability to rock two SIMs from the same carrier or different carriers and switch seamlessly between the two for voice, data, and text functions. Sadly, the handset tops out at EDGE, though the other specs aren't half bad -- 3.2 megapixel cam, FM radio, stereo Bluetooth, et cetera -- and it looks alright, too. Look for it around a hefty $700 next month.
mmmmmm.....k! i'll try to figure it out ma self!
Dual card phone is a best choice! Go to look up for one!

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Dual card phone is a best choice! Go to  look up for one!

Samsung's dual-SIM DuoS D880

Dual-SIM handsets are a completely foreign concept in these parts, but in parts of Asia, they're a fairly common sight (three SIMs, though -- that's another story).

Three SIMs, that ridiculous, Since the dual sim already seems strange or un-mainstreamed.

Some dual sim not only switch, they also support dual activated meaning you can receive calls/sms from either of the two sims.
i would like to .knw if there is a nokia smartphone with dual sim capability..
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QVC today became the first vendor in the US to sell the Samsung Series 9 crystal accented special edition notebook. This specially made model features an Intel Core i5 2467M CPU at 1.6GHz with Intel Hd 3000 integrated graphics, a 13.3" 1366 x 768 display, a 128GB SSD and weighs only 2.88 lbs. Here is more info on this new Samsung laptop sold via QVC in the US:

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Horn is an action-adventure game. The player takes control of Horn, a young boy who mysteriously wakes up one day inside of an abandoned tower to find that every animal and person in his world has been turned into robotic behemoths known as Pygon. Horn must figure out why this curse occurred and set things right.

The player controls Horn by simply tapping the place in the world where he/she wants him to go. The game is not on-rails: the player has freedom to explore around each area and check for hidden crystals. These crystals can be used to upgrade Horn's weaponry and equipment, as well as to purchase potions and other goodies. In addition, Horn can hit certain enemies with his crossbow, which will net him extra crystals. He also uses the crossbow as a hook shot to reach specially marked places, which often house even more crystals.

When Horn comes across an enemy to fight, the game's controls switches to a simple combat interface. Swiping the screen will make Horn swing his weapon in the same direction. Dodge buttons on the left and right sides of the screen allow Horn to roll around the enemy. The player can use this to his advantage. Many enemies have weak spots which mus be found and hit to cause the best damage to an enemy.

The game's graphics, powered by Unreal Engine 3, are geared towards high-end mobile devices.

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Infection can be played against Henry Stauf, the main antagonist from The 7th Guest, with 7 difficulty levels. As in the original game, Stauf often taunts the players between moves. There is also a Mono Y Mono option where two human players can play together on the same device, and a Demo mode where the AI controls both players.

The game was created as a stand alone game partly because the iOS version of The 7th Guest lacked this puzzle, due to technical obstacles.

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