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Established in the year 2005, we, Prime International, are engaged in the manufacturing, exporting and supplying of Office & Commercial Furniture. Our range also includes Residential Furniture. In addition to this, we also provide the service of Interior Designing and Furniture Fabrication for both residential and commercial areas. We use quality raw material like Wood, Mild Steel CR Sheet, MS Tubular Pipe, MDF, MS Tubular Pipe, Edge Banding Tape, Powder For Coating, Packing Material and Glue that enable us to offer quality products and services. Our range is well appreciated for its innovative design, durability, finish, dimensional accuracy and usability. Our furniture range can also be customized on parameters like dimensions, sizes and designs as per the specifications given by the clients. These are widely used in various offices, homes, schools, colleges, hotels and guest houses.

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Our CEO, Mr. Praveen Maheshwari, has provided us with the necessary support and guidance that have helped us to establish a strong global client base that comprise reputed names like Ranbaxy Laboratories Ltd., IDEA Cellular Ltd., Center for Advance Technology, UCO Bank, Asian Paints and Unichem Laboratories Ltd. to name a few.

His rich industry knowledge and fair business practices coupled with strong ethical values has helped us to scale new heights.

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  • Ranbaxy Laboratories Ltd
  • Bridge Stone India Ltd
  • Ruchi Soya Industries
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No. 30, Sanyogita Ganj, Chhawani, Indore- 452 001, Madhya Pradesh, India
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Upto 10 People
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Mr. Praveen Maheshwari
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Rs. 1 - 2 Crore
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We are engaged in the manufacturing, exporting, and supplying of residential, office and commercial furniture that include seating range, study range, conference table, office tables, computer tables and auditorium range. We also offer modular kitchen storage solutions, wardrobe / store well range, cafeteria / canteen furniture and open plan office system. In addition to this, we also provide interior designing solutions and furniture fabrication services. All the products are manufactured using quality raw material and are well appreciated by all our clients. The products are used in hotels, offices, homes, schools & colleges, and guest houses. Our range is acclaimed for the following features:

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We use quality raw material that is procured from reliable vendors and thus the furniture manufactured is high on quality and is durable. The raw material used includes the following:

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  • MDF
  • Edge banding tape
  • Powder for coating
  • Glue and packing material
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 We have been able to taste the fruit of success owing to the hard work of our professionals. These professionals possess the rich knowledge and have expertise in their respective fields that enable them to carry out the work with utmost efficiency. Our craftsmen blend their traditional artistic skills with the ultra modern technology to manufacture quality furniture. Our employees understand the requirement of the clients and work effectively towards meeting the same. The key professionals of our organization are given below:

  • Designers
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  • Quality controllers
  • Carpenters
  • Marketing & Sales executives
  • Research & Development personnel
  • Administrative personnel
  • Procurement agents
  • Warehouse personnel

Our professionals have helped us to establish ourselves in India and in the international market.

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 Being a client centric organization, we aim to provide our clients with the quality products and services that surpass their expectations. Hence, we entertain feedback from them and effectively work towards providing apt solutions. Their suggestions help us to improvise on our strengths. We offer customized products and services that are in accordance with the varied demands of the clients. The parameters on which we offer customization are given below:

  • Design
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  • Shape
  • Dimension
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We have been constantly catering to the demands of the clients as we believe that their satisfaction paves the path of progress. Our client centric approach and innovation in providing products & services have earned us the loyalty of many renowned names of the industry. We also value their faith in us and sustain it with the help of transparent business deals and efficient services, which help us to maintain our standards. We have been able to provide our services & products not only in India but in international markets as well. Following is the list of our esteemed clients:

  • Jash Engineering Ltd.
  • Ranbaxy Laboratories Ltd.
  • IDEA Cellular Ltd.
  • Asian Paints
  • UCO Bank
  • Center for Advance Technology
  • AVI Agri Business Pvt. Ltd.
  • Hotel Sarover Portico
  • Ruchi Soya Industries Ltd
  • Unichem Laboratories Ltd.
  • Choksi Laboratory
  • Kastubagram Rural Institute
  • Msource India Pvt. Ltd.
  • Bridgestone India Ltd.
  • VE Commercial Ltd.
  • D.A.B.H.A, Indore
  • STI Ltd.
  • Maral Overseas Ltd.
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 We have been catering to the diverse needs of our clients satisfactorily and providing quality products and services. Through our constant efforts, we have established a strong position in the market and are giving a stiff competition to other players in the market. The key features that set us a class apart are the following:

  • Sophisticated machines
  • Skilled professionals
  • State-of-art infrastructure
  • Value for money products & Services
  • Fair Business dealing
  • Quality after sales service
  • Wide distribution network
  • Service orientation

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Anonymous said...

Thank You

Anonymous said...

P.S. May take me a while from now to DL/listen (due to a heavy school load), but I'll definitely put in my 2cent for all the songs when I finally get the chance...

Anonymous said...

I'm curious about this one, thanks for sharing!

Anonymous said...

Thanks, great comp! FWIW, all tracks (except 07 & 08) have been reissued on vinyl in 2011 (remastered in 24 bit from master tapes), https://www.discogs.com/fr/Various-Muziek-Expres-Op-Art/release/3048990

Victor said...

Anon (from FR?): I don't have that comp (maybe prof does) but I'd be surprised if they had tapes for many of these. The Outsiders trax must be needledrops for sure, since the same label Pseudonym used ND's for those tracks on the recent Thinking About Today comp (2013) and I know they first used those transfers on the Beat Legends (2010) book/CD. Besides which, even if true, that comp is still vinyl-only and not on CD.

Pseudonym should still get credit for getting these back into general circulation, but their statement "remastered from matter tapes" is still fraudulent for the most part (they might've used tapes for the 2 Bintangs tracks mentioned already in the info file).

Alright, after much ado, here's my writeup. I can't really go TOO much in-depth, but hopefully this'll be good enough.

First, the Outsiders trax sound REALLY great here, probably the best I've heard. Definitely beats the TATC comp, and no unnecessary NR to be found here either! ;) While the CNR LP might sound a little dull when comparing the two, I'm pretty sure the high-end was jacked up quite a bit on TATC anyway.

Also liking the 1st Cuby + Blizzards single! Interesting to hear them more "garage" here before they went the blues way. Sounds pretty clean here, too. Funnily enough, I actually thought these 2 tracks were on the Forgotten Tapes disc, but it turns out I confused those for something else.

As far as Bintangs go, I swear I heard some pops/clicks at the end of "$ 60 Boss", but you said tapes still exist for the last 2 LP tracks, so maybe not that big a deal. (Incidentally, how did tapes even survive for those 2 anyway... did the band own them or something?) Disregarding SQ, thanks for also sharing the B-side to "Groovin'" ("Walkin' The Boogie"). Definitely not a track I would've known about had you not included it.

The Peter & The Blizzards (sidenote: relation to Cuby + Blizzards, or just coincidence?) "Cold as Ice" 45 seems like one of those few that aren't as clean. I heard some nasty scuffs at the end of "Cold as Ice", and the single (and B-side "It Happens Every Day") in general also sounds a little distorted in contrast to the other tracks (and the other Peter & The Blizzards 45!), but maybe this was part of the original recording. I know this seems pointless to mention, especially when the 45 itself is probably very rare, but I thought it'd be good to point out.

Alright, minor details aside, there's no point in looking a great gift horse in the mouth here. I got this just for better-sounding versions of the Outsiders tracks, and that's definitely here, but turns out the rest of this LP (and bonus tracks) is actually a pretty fascinating listen. I'm really digging the last Bintangs track "Splendid Sight", and the Zipps are pretty cool, too. With the bonus tracks, I've never heard of The Fun of It until now, but I think their 45, especially "Silly Baby", is very cool, and definitely a standout. Perhaps this was their only 45, but it's a great one. Even with the scuffs and somewhat-distorted sound, I really like Peter and the Blizzards' "Cold As Ice". Prof., you didn't have to include these extra 45s, but I'm glad you went the extra mile to browse your collection and rip them, for I wouldn't have come across these tracks otherwise.

And for those who made it to the end... consider this collection a great INsight into the Dutch-specific genre known as Nederbeat! (A better name than Krautrock, that's fo' sure!)

Prof. Stoned said...

A few thoughts, Victor:

- Pretty sure the official source of the Cuby tracks is a needledrop too. Note that I'm so restless has a short coda here that is missing on the CD's.

- Cold as Ice is indeed the poorest quality source here. Walkin' the Boogie may sound pretty crummy too, but is actually far superior to what's on the Hunter Singles Collection 2CD (which is a rough sounding needledrop in stereo).

- Fun of it all made a few more singles. I auditioned the 2nd single on CNR too, but discarded it for being a watered-down poptune.

- Splendid Night and $60 Boss sound far superior on the aforementioned 2CD. I cannot imagine these being from vinyl. I have no proof for this though.

P.S.: Make sure to check this out sometime: https://www.discogs.com/The-Zipps-Be-Stoned-Dig-Zipps/release/2930058

Ezra said...

Wow. This is great. Thanks for this and all the other releases.

Victor said...

"Note that I'm so restless has a short coda here that is missing on the CD's."

Finding about this sort of stuff makes me glad I got the LP :) My guess is someone cut it thinking it was extraneous (probably also why the Outsiders "Felt Like I Wanted To Cry" lacked the first 8 notes on CD until Beat Legends/TATC came about).

I tried looking for that Bintangs Groovin/Boogie single right now, but it seems pretty rare. Couldn't even find a listing. Even for "Cold As Ice" I was able to find 1 listing (albeit only VG+).

I'll definitely check out that Zipps comp when I've got time, though I am a little amused they're the ones who made that "Marie Juana" song on that Pseudonym comp I found a while back, the one with Tax Free's "Husband And A Kid". I'll also check out that Hunter 2CD just for $60 Boss and Splendid Sight. BTW, speaking of the Hunter CDs, is the one for Q65 any good?

Call me nuts, but I'm a little curious about that 2nd Fun of It single. If you were to compare it to another watered-down pop song released by a 60's UK/US band, what song would it be like?

Anonymous said...

Thanks for uploading this album of Dutch garage bands and along with all the rare mono mixes which are really hard to find in decent condition.

DanP said...

Many thanks!! :D

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ICE Guards “Systematically” Sexually Assault Detainees in an El Paso Detention Center, Lawyers Say

Allegations include guards attacking victims in camera “blind spots” and telling them that “no one would believe” them in ICE detention centers, which imprison about 50,000 immigrants each year at a taxpayer expense of $2.7 billion.

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Guards in an immigrant detention center in El Paso sexually assaulted and harassed inmates in a “pattern and practice” of abuse, according to a complaint filed by a Texas advocacy group urging the local district attorney and federal prosecutors to conduct a criminal investigation.

The allegations, detailed in a filing first obtained by ProPublica and The Texas Tribune, maintain that guards systematically assaulted at least three people in a facility overseen by Immigration and Customs Enforcement — often in areas of the detention center not visible to security cameras. The guards told victims that no one would believe them because footage did not exist and the harassment involved officers as high-ranking as a lieutenant.

According to the complaint filed with the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Inspector General and shared with prosecutors, several guards “forcibly” kissed and touched the intimate parts of at least one woman. She faces deportation next week — meaning investigators could lose a key witness. Her attorneys have requested that immigration officials pause her deportation pending a review of the matter.

The woman said in a telephone interview that she would rather return to Mexico, even though she is in danger there. She said she worried about being targeted in the detention center for speaking up about the abuse.

“It’s going to get worse now,” she said. “I can’t handle this anymore.”

Since the complaint was filed Wednesday, two more women, including one who is currently detained in the El Paso facility and one who was previously held there, have come forward with abuse allegations. At least one other woman was deported after a guard assaulted her, detainees told lawyers.

An El Paso County District Attorney’s Office spokesperson said that the agency had forwarded “potentially criminal allegations” to the DHS’ Office of Inspector General, which did not respond to emails seeking comment. A spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Texas said that it had received the complaint and takes allegations of “misconduct by public officials extremely seriously.”

A spokesperson for ICE wrote in an email that the agency was aware of the accusations and that they would be investigated, including by its Office of Professional Responsibility. A 2003 law intended to protect against such abuses sets stringent standards for detention facilities.

ICE has “zero tolerance for any form of sexual abuse or assault against individuals in the agency’s custody and takes very seriously all allegations of employee misconduct,” the spokesperson wrote. “When substantiated, appropriate action is taken.”

A spokesperson for Global Precision Systems, a subsidiary of Bering Straits Native Corporation, which contracts with ICE to run the El Paso facility, wrote in an email that she could not comment on pending legal matters.

The El Paso allegations are the latest instance of sexual abuse complaints related to detention centers run by ICE, which imprisons about 50,000 immigrants across the country each year — mostly through contractors at a taxpayer expense of almost $2.7 billion.

About 14,700 complaints alleging sexual and physical abuse were lodged against ICE between 2010 and 2016, according to federal data obtained by the advocacy group Freedom for Immigrants. The group found that only a small fraction were investigated by the Office of Inspector General.

In 2018, the most updated statistics available online, ICE reported 374 formal accusations of sexual assault, of which 48 were substantiated by the agency and 29 remained pending an investigation as of that year.

Most recently, in a May federal court filing in Houston, a Mexican woman said that she was in an ICE facility there in 2018 when she and two female detainees were moved to an isolated cell. Around midnight, three men wearing facial coverings entered the cell. They raped and beat them, according to the complaint. The immigrants were bused to Mexico hours later, where the woman eventually discovered she was pregnant from the assault.

A spokesperson for the company overseeing that detention center, CoreCivic, denied the allegations, calling them “slanderous.” The woman’s attorney, Michelle Simpson Tuegel, said the pregnancy aligns with the woman’s stay in ICE detention.

In September, weeks after publication of this story, the woman’s attorneys filed to dismiss the lawsuit after she recanted in an interview with law enforcement officers, according to court documents and a spokesperson for CoreCivic. She said that the assault did not occur in the Houston facility, but in Mexico after she was deported. The other women she said were with her also refuted her allegations, according to the court filings.

A federal judge in Houston granted the dismissal in November.

Her attorneys did not return repeated requests for comment in January after CoreCivic alerted ProPublica of the dismissal.

The El Paso accusations came to light when one of the women, a 32-year-old Salvadoran, was released because of a medical condition and told an attorney that she feared for the detainees still there.

“She was that disturbed by what was happening,” said Linda Corchado, director of legal services for Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center, who filed the complaint. “It’s awful to think how disposable these women are.”

She said they are especially vulnerable because many will probably be deported, making it more unlikely that their abusers face consequences.

The Salvadoran woman told Corchado that she was detained in the El Paso facility for about three months where she was repeatedly harassed. A guard said that if she would “fool around” with him he would give her clean uniforms and soap. He told her that he would pay her “a lot of money” to meet him for sex in a spot not visible to cameras.

Two other officers also repeatedly targeted her, according to the complaint. One sent her messages through other women even after she was released.

She said in a telephone interview that guards encouraged women to sign up for anti-anxiety medication and antidepressants because they oversee the dispensing of medication at night and have access to an enclosed off-camera area.

“Most women who are still there are scared of saying anything,” she said. “You don’t know what they can do.”

A male detainee, a legal permanent resident convicted of money laundering, said that an officer in the detention center stared at him while rubbing his genitals as he showered in July, according to the complaint. After he reported the incident to a captain, the detainee was placed in solitary confinement. He began a hunger strike and was transferred to another ICE facility. Lawyers said that he speaks English and is better able to advocate for himself than most of the female victims, who speak only Spanish.

The woman who remains in the El Paso detention center and is set to be deported is a 35-year-old mother from Mexico who was charged with a drug-related crime and illegally entering the country.

During her 11 months in the ICE facility, she told lawyers that two guards assaulted her. In November, an officer touched her private areas and kissed her while she was in an area not visible to cameras. The assault happened as she was walking back from the medical unit to her barrack.

Days later, the guard did so again.

“If she behaved,” he told her, according to the filing, “he would help her be released.”

He stared at her through a window while she used the bathroom.

When she complained to a captain, she said he dismissed her. She said she did not see that officer for several months but that he later returned, becoming “increasingly aggressive and intimidating.”

“She has lived in constant panic that he may do something against her again,” according to the document.

The woman said another officer also assaulted her at least twice in a camera “blind spot,” touching and kissing her. These attacks also happened when she was returning from the medical unit to her cell.

A lieutenant passed messages through her to other detained women.

If she reported them, an officer warned, “No one would believe her.”

Do you have access to information about sexual assault or harassment in the El Paso ICE detention center or any ICE detention centers? Email [email protected]. Here’s how to send tips and documents to ProPublica securely.

For more coverage, read ProPublica’s previous reporting on immigration.

Update, Jan. 12, 2021: This story was updated to note the dismissal of a lawsuit filed by a Mexican woman who claimed she and two others were raped and beaten at an ICE facility in Houston.

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Why do some people come to faith and others do not?

In our mid-week church community, from time to time we reflect on some tough questions that others have asked us or that niggle at us ourselves. Recently one of the members asked the question:

Why do some people find ‘faith’ (believing in God) easier than others?

There are several different dimensions to this question. The theological: is it reasonable that some find faith easy, whilst others struggle? Philosophical: is it the case that we actually have free will when factors of situation and personality appear to be so significant? Apologetic: can we believe in a God of justice when contingent decisions might have eternal consequences? Ecclesial: are Christians distinct from others in terms of personality? Missional: what factors actually bring people to faith? But of course the one at the forefront of most people’s minds is the pastoral: why does my spouse/friend/family members find the idea of faith so difficult or unappealing? And is there anything I can do about it?

A quick bit of online research on differences between those who believe and those who don’t yielded nothing much more than atheist websites, who came to the conclusion (not surprisingly) that Christians were more gullible and less rational, though they did also suggest that those finding faith were more sociable. This last point is interesting—though it is difficult to say whether this is cause or effect. Churches remain almost unique in modern society in offering an all-age, multi-cultural social space where there is serious encounter between people from different strata of society. If there is some research out there about why some find faith easier and others harder, let me know in the comments.

To reflect on this issue in the group, we did three things. The first was to reflect on our own stories of finding faith, and on the factors involved, in two stages:

Think for a moment about the process by which you came to faith. What were the factors you were aware of at the time? As you look back, what other factors can you see?

Now compare your story with someone else. How much is there in common, and how much difference?

Doing the exercise for myself, I identified four important factors which were at work.

  1. An immediate sense of welcome and acceptance by those I met. As a struggling teenage boy in a large all-boys public school, where competition was everything (those in the school sports teams even had a different uniform!), this was probably the biggest factor—but it was not something I could have articulated at the time. I only came to realise how important this was as I reflected on my journey several years later in order to share my testimony during a mission week.
  2. The chance to explore questions of faith and the difference it makes to everyday life. This was the most important felt issue at the time; even though I had been brought up church going, it was as though someone had turned the lights on. One of the earliest experiences was watching Franco Zeffirelli’s Jesus of Nazareth including the blue-eyed Robert Powell as Jesus (‘plot keywords: resurrection; epic; religious sword and sandals…’)—but there was plenty of exploration of every aspect of what it meant to be a Christian, and how that worked out in practice.
  3. I now wonder how important it was for me to have had a background experience of church and faith, even though that did not connect with my everyday life at all. It meant actually going to a church service was not alien—though I remember thinking how odd, sloppy, casual and unpredictable Anglican services were compared with the Roman Catholic Mass that I was used to, and in which I was an altar server.
  4. My strongest reflection on looking back is not really a human factor at all, but simply a sense that God wanted me to know him, and so the series of encounters just happened without me seeking them specifically at all. A friend from primary school, whom I kept in touch with, was struck by how many of our primary school class came to faith, and wondered whether one of our teachers was particularly praying for us as a group.

When we compared stories with one another to see similarities and differences, some interesting things emerged. Welcome and acceptance were important for many in their faith journey, though not for all. Much more consistent was the importance of some sort of explanation: what did it actually mean to be a Christian, and what did you have to do to become one? I have a suspicion that, for most non-Christians, this is something of a mystery—it just seems to ‘happen’ to some people! (This feeling is expressed in the occasional wistful reflection ‘I wish I had your faith…’) Background understanding was very important for some, but not for others, and my ‘sharing buddy’ Mike (in the group meeting we exchanged our stories in pairs) came from a completely non-Christian background to faith very quickly—though he was aware of an interest in the ‘spiritual’ in quite specific ways, which suggests factor 4 was at play.

But two additional factors consistently featured. The first was invitation; Mike starting going to church because his schoolfriend (who was bigger than he was!) said ‘Are you coming to church then?’—and it turned out that his friend was only going to go if Mike agreed to come with him! Invitation was important for me too; I only went to the CYFA group because the people I met invited me back to their ‘coffee bar’ (the mention of ‘bar’ sounded quite alarming to me at the time…). The second factor which featured often was noticing change in others (friends, family) who had come to faith, and their sharing of testimony of why being a Christian had made a difference.

Given the differences in experience, as well as some common factors, it was not clear that we had an answer to the pastoral question—but we appeared to have been able to answer the missional one. How can we help people find faith more easily?

  1. Actually think that this is important. That might seem an odd thing to say, but research has shown that ‘intention to grow’ amongst leadership in the local church is the single biggest factor correlated with actual church growth, that is, seeing people come to faith.
  2. Pray. If the work of God in an individual is key (!) and if prayer makes any difference (and there are some big philosophical and theological questions raised here) then actually praying that people come to faith might be rather important.
  3. Create a relational culture of welcome and acceptance. With the culture of most churches, and the things many Christians take for granted, now at such a remove from wider culture in the UK, lower the cultural barriers in terms of our assumed expectations of behaviour and social norms is more important than ever.
  4. Offer clear explanations and explorations of faith and how to become a Christian.
  5. Invite people. One of the striking things about many of the new Church of England church plants is how much more invitational they are than the average Anglican church.)

In other words, if we are going to see people come to faith, we need to be intentional, spiritual, relational, rational and invitational.

The second thing we did in the group was look at the stories of Nicodemus and the women of Samaria in John 3 and 4. (Actually, we ran out of time to do this, as hearing one another’s stories was so interesting! So individuals did it afterwards at home.) John puts these two stories together in a way which highlights the differences in two very different journeys of faith through encounter with Jesus. The contrasting factors are relatively easy to tabulate—you might want to read the chapters and identify the differences you find before reading any further…

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John 3John 4
Who is involved?A respectable named Jewish manAn outcast unnamed Samaritan woman
Who initiates the encounter?The person themselvesJesus
When does the meeting occur?In the eveningIn the broad daylight
What is the literal significance of this?In a hot climate, it would be natural to meet to discuss things in the evening—and Nicodemus might have been wanting to keep the meeting secret or at least discreet.In a hot climate, you would normally collect water in the morning or the evening. Only someone avoiding the company of others would come in the heat of the day
What is the symbolic significance of the timing?Despite his learning and high office, and even meeting the ‘light of the world’, Nicodemus is still dwelling in the shadows of understandingDespite being marginal in her social context and evasive in her conversation, the woman comes to see things as clear as daylight in recognising who Jesus is
Who asks the questions?The discussion is led by Nicodemus’ implied question in his opening statement, and is given movement by his two subsequent questionsAlmsot every turn in this conversation is led by Jesus’ questions or his challenging statements
What is the nature of the conversation?It focuses on theological ideas and questionsIt focuses mostly on practical questions of thirst, worship and relationships
What is the immediate result of the encounter?The conversation disappears into what seems to be John’s own reflection, and the narrative is never concluded. Nicodemus remains in his shadowy understandingThe woman comes to a startling realisation about both Jesus and herself
What is the longer term result of the encounter?Nicodemus is mentioned on two further occasions, both of which refer back to this encounter. In John 7.50, he tentatively questions the opposition to Jesus, but by John 19.39 he accompanies the women to Jesus’ graveThe woman is a model witness (a key theme in John) in that she goes back to those in her village who had shunned her, tells her story, and invites them to come and meet Jesus too

The contrasts here forbid us from offer any kind of formula for how and why people come to faith, and illustrate the diversity of situations and issues that are involved.

There are two further things to reflect on alongside noting this diversity. The first is that the preaching that we find in the NT (and especially in Acts) appears to be very different from much of the appeal that we tend to make in contemporary preaching. John Stevens, questioning the centrality of the contemporary message ‘God is love…‘ notes:

Both Jesus’ kingdom proclamation and the apostolic gospel message have the same basic call to “repent and believe” ahead of the coming judgement. Both Jesus and the apostles perform signs and wonders of healing and deliverance from demons which reveal the liberating power of the in-breaking kingdom, and in both cases the new community of the church (nascent in the gospels and inaugurated in Acts) is a hermeneutic for the gospel in the care for the poor and needy. The apostolic preaching in Acts is not in a vacuum but against this broader background. Even when he performs miracles of compassion and deliverance he turns back to challenge personal sin and the need for forgiveness (eg Mark 2.5; John 5.14).

Much of Jesus ministry is amongst people who already know that the are “unclean” and unacceptable to God and are outsiders to Jewish society (eg skin diseases, tax collectors, prostitutes, Samaritans, Canaanites), so his focus with them is the unexpected possibility of God’s compassion in mercy/cleansing/salvation, whereas his message to the self-righteous religious people is a warning of judgement. Overall it is striking that Jesus does not seem to speak of the love of God as the basis of his proclamation – I can’t find any verses where this is directly the case.

The question then is how we integrate this perspective with the felt importance of relational connection, which appears to be a consistent feature of effective engagement and seeing people come to faith.

A second challenge is how we handle the idea of being ‘lost’ and ‘found’ in coming to faith. Many people have a strong sense of this—but only retrospectively—whilst the idea of being lost and needing to be found could well be quite alienating to many outside the church.

The third thing we did in the group (and we did do this!) was to watch some of the testimonies on the excellent EA website Great Commission. We picked several at random, and it was interesting and inspiring to hear the different perspectives; in most of the ones we watched, change was quite sudden, though that is not true for all of them, and the testimony of others featured quite strongly. The site also include reflections on sharing faith, as well as testimonies of coming to faith.

So, what factors were important for you? What factors were important for those you know? And can you answer the question as to why some find faith easier, and others harder?

(Previously published in a shorter form in 2018.)

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44 thoughts on “Why do some people come to faith and others do not?”

  1. Invitations can take many forms. The turning point in my life came with the immortal words, “Isn’t it about time you became a Christian, then?” I suspect that this isn’t in any textbook on evangelism, but it is still working nearly 50 years later.

  2. Andy Economides said to J John:
    ‘Are you a Christian?’
    ‘Me? No….’
    ‘Then you: are stupid.’

    My sister was challenged by a rather immature character about the genuineness of her saved state. However, the actual *words* that he spoke needed pondering not a whit less. The words were independent of the vessel/vehicle. Very good fruit came as a result of that directness.At her affirmation service a year or so later, the sermon happened to be on how packaging is nothing and message is everything. Brilliant topic. Delivered by a nondescript person whose name was not well known and I have forgotten it. Certainly one of the best and truest sermons I ever heard.

    Cynical teens play the odds. The more people you ask to be your bf/gf, the more will say yes. It is exactly like that with asking people to come to church or talking to them about becoming a Christian or about how things are with their inner life. Most people appreciate being prayed for. But, more than that, many also appreciate an invitation, which is a sign of friendship (except in those instances where it is a sign of chalking up conquests). Many also appreciate, for natural reasons (a) directness (because we all like straightforward people rather than manipulative people), (b) people recommending something that has worked for them (thus William Temple, Michael Green); (c) people who care enough not to fob them off with platitudes: people who will also challenge them, and love them enough to want the best for them.

    Early life is absolutely crucial, because that sets one’s idea of who one really is inside. Leave it too late, and Christianity will be an unacceptable deviation from that. Look at the stats for what proportion of children attended Sunday School even 2 generations ago. Its’s not as though the parents don’t appreciate the opportunity for a restfrom looking after their children, nor is it as though the children don’t enjoy clubs and being with other children. Smith Wigglesworth had the drive to travel round the neighbourhood and invite all the children to jump on the trolley/cart: we are fortunate enough to have had a next door neighbour who did the same, including for my wife when she was growing up.

        • Yes, I think so – the Pentecost crowd were convicted, cut to the heart. And that conviction seems to be an key winning component. Comparable might be admitting (admit-believe-receive) that one had squandered the gift of life, or one’s talents, or that one had not even lived up to one’s own standards let alone God’s, that one had not been honest about one’s true sins, etc..

          Of course other people had other perspectives. Some Calvinists (given the sort of Areopagus-like wild division in the reactions of hearers) put this down to election and non-election; whereas others put it down to whether different people have religiously responsive brains or not.

      • Umm. I’m not saying ‘That’s how to do it!’. However, the fruit speaks for itself. I think they were probably friends already.

      • J John does tell several different funny and telling stories which boil down to the power of directness and directness’s refusal to be inappropriately moderate on topics that are of extreme importance (like the cosmetics-counter lady he accosted suggesting her life was too cosmetic, and like his wooing of his wife who would not come to the event she was invited to with repeated ‘Come anyway’. The hound of heaven approach.)

  3. I think an interesting parallel question to ask is why do some people lose their faith and others do not?
    Is it to do with the way they came to faith in the beginning -or other factors?

  4. Ian, re the EA website, at first glance – https://www.eauk.org/great-commission/stories – appears to be a website of sermons about how to share your faith under the generic title of “Story Bearer Sessions”. But the stories are there. It just so happens that the 10 *most recent* “stories” aren’t stories, they are “Story Bearer Sessions”, and these are the ones that any website user will see first. Readers have to page down to get the actual stories. Just try – for example – https://www.eauk.org/great-commission/stories/all/page/3 & you will be fine.

  5. Factors in conversion of 47 year old (me)
    Unchurched family life.
    Horror death of mother.
    Meaning of life? Is there a God?
    Brokeness. Master of own destiny? -dark comedy.
    Death of Dad – Gideon’s NT/Psalms: death bed answered prayer (mine). Longing for what Dad had just before he died (beatific peace beyond understanding) and raising simple questions; do I have to wait until just before I die!; What happens if no one is there to pray for me?; What happens if I get knocked over by a bus? Dad’s funeral Vicar’s invitation to Alpha.
    Looking back, Sunday school, afternoon attendance at very local CoE and Methodist church next door to primary school, but can’t recall how long I lasted! Must have been about 9 when on a Good Friday, alone in bedroom, I wept my heart out the killing of Jesus; “There is a Green Hill far away beyond the city walls, where our dear Lord was crucified, who died to save us all.”
    School assemblies, state school, with Lord’s prayer recited by heart. All, perhaps, subliminal influences. So different now.

  6. People who disobey the gospel do so because they do not consider themselves worth of salvation.

    And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.

      • Sorry for not remembering the citation – the second paragraph is Acts 13:46 ESV.

        Isn’t this verse about why at least some people don’t come to God? Isn’t that the issue being discussed?

        I said that the verse meant what seemed to me to be its obvious meaning. If others think that it means something other than what I interpreted it to mean then by all means chime in with your belief as to how it ought to be interpreted.

        • I think Paul is pointing out what the consequence of their rejecting the message is rather than implying that they really see what is at stake – eternal life – and humbly consider themselves unworthy of it. Because of hardness of heart they don’t see, and as John says in ch. 3, they bring judgement (= forfeiture of eternal life) upon themselves.

          • Hi Steven,
            How people interpret the passage will no doubt be influenced by their soteriology. Calvinists will probably see it as you suggested – that those who are said to judge themselves unworthy of the gospel aren’t actually doing any such thing – that they are blind – that instead they were predestined to be unable to respond to the gospel before they set foot on the planet.
            I am not a Calvinist and I see it as a straight forward statement consistent with people not just being sinners but also have the ability to specifically disobey the gospel – see 2 Thess 1:8 – or why would 2 Thess 1:8 exist?

        • Philip – it’s an odd verse to use given that it’s explicitly about the rejection of the truth of the Jewish Messiah by the Jewish people. I wonder if Paul is being rather sarcastic about their rejection of that truth?

          • Hi PC1,
            If this verse was intended to be a poke at those refusing the gospel I believe it would say something to the effect of “Since you consider yourself to be too worthy for eternal life” or similar – but it does not.
            If as part of seeking to establish why people who don’t come to God don’t come to God I quote scripture – and this is odd – I put it to you that listing various sociological and circumstantial factors for why people will be eternally punished is extremely odd (although I only raise the issue now in defence of my being allowed to quote the Bible instead of focus on these things). For us to have a defensible view of who God is the answer to this question must be founded in who God is – who we are – and the fact that our ability to make choices is not illusory. Of course Calvinists believe our free will is illusory – but I am not a Calvinist (more on why Calvinism won’t help to free us from pride in respect of our salvation below).
            It seems that the offensive part of my quoting a passage from the Bible which suggests people play a role in their salvation or damnation is that it suggests that our coming to God might say something to our credit. If this is not the case then presumably we are required to believe that whilst scripture says that the person who says there is no God is a fool the person who does say there is a God should not be considered to be something other than a fool. I think that a right understanding of scripture sees us humbled by the fact that there is no part of our salvation which doesn’t rely on God’s grace. But this isn’t the same thing as saying we play no part in our salvation.
            My answer to what role we do and don’t play in our salvation is simply “whatever makes all of scripture make sense”. To those who say we play NO role in our salvation and sanctification I ask – why will God reward us for our faithfulness in the age to come?
            Those who fear attributing any human role to our salvation do so because they believe that the inevitable result of doing so will be pride. But here is why that is not true. It is in fact the opposite – those who say we play no part in our salvation will fall into pride. Why? Because the price of believing that we play no part in our salvation is that we must also believe that those who will be eternally punished play no part in their being eternally punished. A person who is one of the elect must believe that God’s action towards them is mercy while God’s predestining people for eternal punishment says nothing about him at all – why not? – because according to Calvinists God says we should think it doesn’t. But the problem with this idea is that God has revealed to us ideas about him which mean we have no choice but to consider God’s predestining people to hell as evidence of who he is. God – in order to be God – must be unchanging in all his attributes – independent – above – not subject to any external factors. This means that he must be unchanging in mercy – which means he must be merciful towards all people and in all events. This means that not only must God’s saving the elect be mercy but so must his predestining people to eternal punishment be mercy. Whilst God doesn’t have to save anyone to be merciful the problem is that God’s mercy is not influenced by any external factor – the Bible makes clear that none of us is more worthy of salvation than any other – and yet here God is acting differently to different groups of people.
            So why does Calvinism often lead to pride? It does because for the reasons I just explained the mind of the Calvinist cannot be honest when believing that their salvation as they understand it is evidence of God’s mercy. They have no way of relating to this Jesus as more than a thought in their mind. This leads to those who let their Calvinism reach their heart doing the only thing they can honestly do – rejoice not in God but only in the fact they are saved. This can only be done by trying to forget what God is doing to those predestined for damnation – by focusing on oneself (selfishness). Rejoicing in one’s status instead of in the character of God then leads to self-importance.
            And so – for these reasons I don’t apologise for quoting a passage from scripture which I believe shows what some say is offensive – that we play some part in our salvation. While believing that our part is never not supported by the presence of the grace of God. THIS is the reason why salvation should keep us from pride.

          • My last few words should have been (it really matters!)

            “our part is never not FULLY RELIANT on the presence of the grace of God”!

  7. An interesting discussion of important questions.

    But I’m not convinced by the John 3/4 contrasts. Why is the time of day significant for the Samaritan woman? Jesus and the disciples had been walking all day. The ‘climate’ does not seem to have bothered them, and it’s a good deal cooler in the winter than the summer. The temperature in Nazareth as I write (mid-afternoon) is 19 degrees.

    Was the woman really a social outcast? We read this into the story, but the first thing she does after the conversation is open conversations with other people in the town. And does she see things as ‘clear as daylight’? Impressed by his insights into her past, she gets as far as to ask, “Can this be the Christ?” But if that’s conversion, there are many clearer instances in the gospels. Nicodemus naturally goes to Jesus at night because, as a senior Pharisee, he does not want to be seen. Simple. The woman begins in the ‘shadows of understanding’; the respectful Nicodemus is clearly seeking at the beginning and ends, one suspects, like her, a good deal more enlightened. All credit to him for taking the initiative.

    • I forgot the time difference between the UK and Israel. Still, looking at forecast average temperatures for the week, they vary from 16 deg to 29.

  8. Let’s get direct and personal, Philip and Steven. How about you? What is your testimony of conversion?
    Let’s have it.

    • Hi Geoff,

      Do you mean me? I presume so as there is no other Philip.

      I’m wondering why you are asking about my testimony of conversion. I don’t mind contributing but I would rather know what relationship my testimony has to what we are discussing.

  9. I used to believe that the Church was somehow necessary for living out the faith. Now in my 60s I am discovering that so many people find themselves repelled by the Church but still attracted to, and convicted by, their faith in Christ. This adds a further complication.

    • I’m torn on this one. It was mainly people’s kindness and acceptance that drew me into church in the first place and relationship was always a big part of my church life.

      However it was misunderstandings with people that has contributed to my current distance from church (along with chronic illness) and I’ve been very put off looking at the historic behaviour of certain churches. It makes me feel that those much maligned little WWJD (What Would Jesus Do) bracelets should have been standard issue to all Popes, Bishops, Abbots and Priests from the get go.

      And as for us Evangelicals, every time we’re self righteous and patronising instead of kind, compassionate and slow to anger, we should have the sobbed repetitive words of 1 John, (which ever poor elderly apostle or elder or bishop he actually was) tattooed all over us!

  10. Re 2 – Pray. Im not so sure. I dont think (correct me if Im wrong) there is any instruction or even an example in the NT of believers praying for the salvation of an individual. I find that odd if it is indeed part of the equation.

    One could view it on an unseen supernatural battle level, but it’s not as if the NT writers werent aware of that – they were more aware than us.

    I get the impression reading the Gospels and Acts that it comes down to the individual and God.

    For myself, I ‘became a Christian’ during my time at university (which seems quite common) through reading the books of the likes of John Stott and Michael Green, particularly pertaining to the resurrection of Jesus. That latter fact is my anchor. I also had an ’emotional’ experience, so both my intellectual and emotional sides were satisfied. I remember the CU holding a ‘year of evangelism’ and me arguing with some Christians about the nonsense of Genesis 1 & 2 (more than one of them said they believed in a literal 6-day creation, which I still think is nonsense) and basically laughing at them for holding such a belief. Ill always remember the look of suspicion in the face of one of those Christians when I appeared at the CU after the summer holidays, and his nearly falling off his seat when I told him Id become a Christian.

    But things have been far from easy since then, hence my constant return to the resurrection.

      • Phil – that’s unconvincing. It’s similar to wishing for world peace, which many do. It is referring to a people group in general, not praying for a specific individual to be ‘saved’ as per my post.

        • Peter
          Romans 10:1 is a “request to God on behalf of them [is] for salvation”. It is a prayer not a general wish. Paul’s “kinsmen according to the flesh” is made up of individuals. I think this verse endorses the principle of praying for the salvation of others.
          Phil Almond

  11. I distinctly remember that the motivating emotion in me giving my life to Christ was jealousy..

    I was 8, at Stoneleigh bible week (which would make this 1996). It was the final day of the children’s ministry that week and I had been there with my friend Annabel throughout. At the end of the session that evening someone had made a call from the front for people to come forward for prayer (I don’t remember what for) and while I was wasn’t interested and loitered at the back, she went forwards.

    I remember watching her being lowered to the floor, shaking and having (what I now understand to be) an encounter with the Spirit*. I stood around waiting as the room cleared and people started leaving and I remember, to my shame, being irritated with her. Eventually she sat up, looked around for me and told me that she’d had a ‘vision’, and explained what she’d seen to me.

    It was an incredibly vivid image, perfect in it’s simplicity for us 8-year olds, and I won’t recount what it was here, but I distinctly remember thinking these words as my response to it; “I want what she has, I want to know Jesus too”, and nothing I’ve seen or heard since has convinced me that that impulse has not been worth pursuing.

    Was that the moment I became a Christian? It is, I feel, impossible to say, but I cannot think of a moment since then when I have not known of the power of God in my life, or in the lives of those close to me.

    • I loved reading this brief account of your conversion Mat.

      The reason for our becoming Christians isn’t important – it could be jealousy – it could be that we went to church because we were in love with a woman who was a Christian and we wanted to have the opportunity to marry her – it could be that is if we recognise that our becoming a Christian is no guarantee that we will.

      Repentance is a change of direction – offering all of ourselves to God. We don’t need to get into the issue of how pure our reasons are for repenting – the thing that matters is that we don’t knowingly hold back any part of ourselves which is rightfully God’s.

      God considers the offering of our bodies FOR ANY REASON as worship (Rom 12:1). The offering of our bodies then leads to God having access to our lives in order to then work on our motivations.

      Thanks again – an effective account allows us to picture events – and I can picture you. Glory to God for causing this jealousy to rise up in you.

  12. I was drawn by God to Christ through troubling lucid dreams that illuminated my spiritual state and predicament. I was a young teenager and at school asked my teachers how I could stop from going to hell. God had a plan, praise Him, and a fellow pupil invited me to his church that set me on a journey of faith.

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