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I'm Dave, and I'm a geek. :P I like music of all kinds and like hangin out with my friends on my time off from work.

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November 23rd, 2004, 2:55 PM
who thinks girls are icky lol and for girls do you think guys are nasty
guy poll
yes yucky
no awsome

girl poll

well im a guy and i say no i think girls are awsome!!!

November 23rd, 2004, 2:56 PM
uhh you jusr posted this and i'd say most people here are old enough to where icky and stuff is like childish but thats my opinion

November 23rd, 2004, 4:48 PM
Well, I'll admit that I think that boys can be pretty gross sometimes... *glances over at her brother who has constantly been sitting in his room playing a video game and eating junk food* ...but, I don't think they're too bad, lol. I can handle being around them! (Well, with the exception of my brother and cousin when they're together. Eccck! They're too obsessed with video games!)

November 23rd, 2004, 4:53 PM
I have the same opinion as Tyranitardude. I think this is just childish, like asking if we think girls/guys still have cooties or whatnot.

November 23rd, 2004, 4:54 PM
I'm not too guyish and I get along much better with girls then guys. The majority of my friends are girls, the guy ones are also somehow guyactingimpared. And the way most guys act actually disgusts me. So, yay for girls!

November 23rd, 2004, 5:07 PM
I like Girls.(A little)But when I told a girl that I was crusing on that I liked her she said I don't care.And that she liked my more popular friends,then she giggled and ran off...She was visiting the school for the day.I liked her since Kidnergarden.She came to visit on November 2nd...Her name was Shannon...:(

November 23rd, 2004, 5:08 PM
This is kinda kiddie...... but I guess I could say, Girls are awesome, because I like girls! I like to flirt with them too! xD

November 23rd, 2004, 5:11 PM
Me too.But I can't get over her.AGHHHHH!!!!!

November 23rd, 2004, 7:40 PM
I really do appreciate both genders. I have always had more male friends though, mostly just because of the fact that girls, while they often have good intentions, can be quite nosy. I don't especially appreciate people trying to get involved in my personal buisiness and males don't seem to have such a problem with inquesitivness as females do.
However, there are times when talking to a close female friend about certain matters can be very agreeable.

November 23rd, 2004, 8:21 PM
girls and guys are equally awesome, only a child wouldn't appreciate the other gender

November 23rd, 2004, 9:03 PM
It totally depends on their personality, not their gender. I mean, there are nice, sensitive guys, and smelly rude ones. Likewise, there are girls who speak behind your back, etc.

November 23rd, 2004, 9:07 PM
boyz r great! ^^, Especially Digital Ham Ham and Goatman56 (my friends XD)

November 24th, 2004, 12:04 AM
Um, well, boys can be jerks, and boys can be cool. This is really a sexist and stereotypist poll.

Some boys are cute, yeah, and some boys are pretty smart, and some boys are just plain idiots. I could rave on for ages.

Although a lot of boys are jerks.

Heh, when you opposite-gender-haters fall in love, if you do, you'll eat your words!!! lolz lolz IMO

'Sides, each gender have their own pros and their own cons. Simple as that.

And anyway, I get along with each gender equally. I have a lot of male friends that aren't boyfriends, just friends that are boys. A lot of boys in my class act smarter than the girls. Meh, but the minority are jerks. My class is pretty cool, though.

espeon and umbreon
November 24th, 2004, 1:03 AM
Some boys are cool and some are jerks. I have lots of male friends offline, as well as girls. Well some annoys me and sometimes I hit them when I'm really furious. Well i guess most boys are okay. I consider them as friends, not boyfriend girlfriend.

November 24th, 2004, 9:12 AM
Girls scare me. I was sitting in the cafeteria at school one at the silent lunch table (what else is new?) and these girls started to sling pudding at me.

November 24th, 2004, 11:43 AM
Boys are gross no doubt...Yet I'm atracted to them...Or was I attracted to girls? J/K I just play too many video games. XD

November 24th, 2004, 1:11 PM
Well, right now guys seem like they are all against me, but aside from that, guys are cute. ^0^

nadan the water queen
November 24th, 2004, 6:18 PM
uuumm... that's just a little personal, i'm not a lesbo or anything but 2 me girls r, well.....so NOT icky! boys aren't nasty, unless your a little girl.

November 24th, 2004, 6:23 PM
Girls scare me. I was sitting in the cafeteria at school one at the silent lunch table (what else is new?) and these girls started to sling pudding at me.
um ok..... well your still at that stage i guess.

November 25th, 2004, 6:19 AM
I love both! <3

Seriously, though, Teara had some really good reasons there. I find girls can often be... annoying, in a sense. Like, they're always worrying about looks, or guys, or they're insulting people and I always feel so out of place. But then, around most guys I feel weird, too, since... I dunno. @_@ This doesn't apply to everyone of course, but it's just weird. =\ *Can't explain very well~*

December 11th, 2004, 12:33 PM
Finally.I got Shannon out of my head.

December 11th, 2004, 12:37 PM
Girls rock, I said it, Ive never met a girl who is spiteful, never.*<full stop*

John Denver
December 11th, 2004, 12:48 PM
Someone should uh...close this...it's old

*never thought he'd have to say that*

Mr Cat Dog
December 11th, 2004, 12:49 PM
Sometimes my friends go overboard with how they look - it's not them being shallow or anything, they always seem to think that they look awful. And from my experiences with women... many of them think like that actually XD I'd also have to agree with TRIFORCE89 on the male aspect of things as well. Both sexes can act a tad weird at times XD

EDIT - D, it's only a fortnight old... so I'm not sure that it really counts as mega bumping XD

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The call for a BC poverty reduction plan: where have the parties landed

The CCPA is a founding member of the BC Poverty Reduction Coalition (PRC), which for over four years now has been advancing the call for a comprehensive BC poverty reduction plan. Its Open Letter calling on the BC government to adopt a legislated plan has been signed by hundreds of organizations.

The PRC has now published its analysis of where the parties have landed. You can find a summary table here.

And below is an opinion piece on the subject co-authored by PRC organizer Trish Garner, Ted Bruce and myself.

A Poverty Reduction Plan for BC: Government spending saves money in the long-term

By Ted Bruce, Trish Garner and Seth Klein

We’ve heard a lot about government spending recently. The Liberals released their “spend-o-meter” charting the supposed overspending of NDP promises, and the NDP’s response has been to assert their careful spending. What neither of them are saying is that government spending has the potential to be an investment for British Columbians. It can rebuild the social supports that British Columbians need, improve economic productivity and save money in the long-term.

The fact is that poverty is costing us billions in this province. Higher public health care costs, increased policing and crime costs, lost productivity, and foregone economic activity add up to $8-9 billion per year. In contrast, the estimated cost of a strong, comprehensive poverty reduction plan once fully phased in over a few years is $3-4 billion per year. Let’s stop mopping up the floor and fix the hole in the roof.

British Columbia has the highest rate of poverty in Canada, but is one of the last provinces left without a poverty reduction plan. 510,000 people live in poverty in BC and 87,000 of those are children. To address this crisis, a poverty reduction strategy needs to set out a plan with legislated targets and timelines to boost the incomes of low-income households and provide much needed public goods, like social housing, universal child care, training and education, and preventative and community health care.

Given this, what are the commitments from the four main political parties – Liberals, NDP, Conservatives and Greens – to address poverty? There is not enough space to go into detail here – for that, you can read their platforms on their websites – but here are some brief insights into their approaches.

The Liberals state that their ‘Jobs Plan’ will tackle poverty but it does not address barriers to employment such as lack of child care. The NDP promise to introduce a poverty reduction plan with legislated targets and timelines, which is good news. But their target to lift 8,400 children out of poverty over 4 years, less than 10% of those currently living in poverty, is inadequate. The Greens aim to end poverty through a Guaranteed Livable Income combined with comprehensive programs. The Conservatives recognize the need for higher wage jobs and “a strong social-safety net” but provide no details as to what that would contain.

The Liberals claim that child poverty has decreased by 45% since 2003. This misses the significant fact that it increased by 35% in the first 2 years the Liberals were in power and that BC remains worse than most other Canadian provinces.

The Liberals “Job Plan” is not enough to tackle poverty. Most poor people already have a job in the paid labour force. According to the latest Child Poverty Report Card from First Call: BC Child and Youth Advocacy Coalition, 43% of children living in poverty in BC live in families with at least one adult working full-time for the whole year, and the majority live in families with at least some paid work. HungerCount 2012 shows that 16% of households accessing food banks in BC last year had income from current or recent employment.

The NDP would take some steps called for by the BC Poverty Reduction Coalition. Most importantly, if they form government in May, tabling poverty reduction legislation will be a priority.

The biggest piece of the NDP’s plan is the BC Family Bonus, which would be provided to all low-income families, both those on welfare and those in the low-wage workforce. It targets those families that most need it, those who earn $66,000 or less, while the Liberals’ benefit would be provided in full for families earning up to $100,000 per year and is then phased out up to $150,000. The Family Bonus also has a broader mandate, covering families with children under 18, not merely those under 6 as the Liberals’ tax benefit would.

The NDP have also promised to address the inaccessibility and unaffordability of child care by increasing spaces and reducing fees by 20% for infant and toddler spaces. The Liberals have made a commitment to increase spaces but have not addressed the skyrocketing fees. As the Coalition of Child Care Advocates state in their platform analysis, the “commitment to reduce parent fees is a small but significant step that moves the province towards the child care system that British Columbians have said they want and need – the $10/day Child Care Plan.”

In terms of post-secondary education, the NDP have committed to needs-based non-repayable grants for students and the Liberals would provide a one-time $1,200 contribution towards a Registered Education Savings Plan for children born since 2007. While the NDP’s approach will improve accessibility for low-income students, neither will address record-high tuition fees and student debt. In contrast, the Greens have promised a similar grant program, as well as reducing tuition fees by 20% and eliminating the interest on student loans (to be phased in over 5 years).

The NDP situate the lack of mental health supports as a major contributor to poverty and promise an investment in mental health and addiction treatment and outreach, in particular for children and youth. They also commit to expanding home support and community care for seniors, people with disabilities, and those living with chronic conditions, and would establish an independent seniors advocate as per the BC Ombudsperson’s recommendations. The Liberals promise to work with partners to provide more addiction spaces, new hospice spaces and additional home support for seniors.

The Greens recognize the social determinants of health and are committed to an approach to health care focused on prevention and community services. They promise to phase out MSP premiums, a flat tax that only British Columbians pay and that adversely affects low-income families. The Conservatives highlight that the Liberals health care spending per capita is below the national average and “support the concept of a strong publicly-funded health system” but no specific details are given.

Neither the Liberals nor the NDP have committed to addressing the inadequacy of income assistance. The Liberals introduced some marginal improvements to the welfare system in October, such as reinstating the earnings exemption of $200 for single people and increasing it for people with disabilities to $800, but have made no commitment to addressing welfare rates, which have been frozen since 2007. They also increased the 3-week wait to access welfare to 5 weeks, and the NDP have made no comment on this punitive measure, which has already caused evictions and homelessness.

The NDP commit to indexing welfare rates, doubling the earnings exemption for people without disabilities to $400 and re-introducing the child maintenance exemption up to $100, but the promise to raise the rates by a mere $20 per month in 2 years is completely inadequate. As Raise the Rates highlight, the “total $630 a month welfare rate won’t be enough to allow single people on welfare to both rent a cheap place to live and buy nutritious food.”

In relation to housing, a recent analysis from the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives shows that the Liberals have provided just over 400 social housing units per year over the last 8 years. In their platform, they have made no new housing commitments.

The NDP platform includes building “up to 1,500 units of affordable non-profit, co-operative and rental housing for low- and moderate-income families, seniors and individuals each year by leveraging the existing $250 million Housing Endowment Fund to support partnerships and equity contributions with local governments, the private sector, and the non-profit and co-operative housing sectors.” Notably, up to 1,500 units sets that as the maximum, implying less may be built per year, and even 1,500 falls far short of what’s needed to keep up with population growth and reverse the homelessness crisis. The financial commitment is inadequate and would not be used to build directly but combined in partnerships with private developers.

The Green Party promise to commit 1% of the annual provincial budget (or about $450 million per year) to solve the housing crisis, as well as advocate for a national housing strategy.

The centerpiece of the Greens’ approach to addressing poverty is a Guaranteed Livable Income. While this has the potential to lift people out of poverty and replace the current bureaucratic, punitive welfare system, caution must be taken with a GLI. Most significantly, minimum wage legislation is still necessary, not “irrelevant” as the Greens state, because business must play a role in providing adequate incomes for people. If there is no minimum wage, businesses may pay very low wages, leaving the public to pick up most of the bill through the GLI program.

It is clear that whichever party wins the upcoming election, much more work remains to be done to convince our political leadership to implement a strong poverty reduction strategy that will make a real difference in people’s lives. So talk to your local candidates in the next week, vote for the party that best addresses your concerns about poverty in BC, and then join us after May 14 in advancing the call for a fulsome and ambitious poverty reduction plan.

Ted Bruce and Seth Klein are co-chairs of the BC Poverty Reduction Coalition (BCPRC), and Trish Garner is the BCPRC Organizer. Ted Bruce is also the past President of the Public Health Association of BC, and Seth Klein is the BC Director of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives.

A summary of party responses to the poverty reduction call can be found here.


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Romney and Romer

Christina Romer, who had been the administration's most vigorous advocate of government action on the economy, and former Governor Mitt Romney make a bit of an odd couple.

But Romney embraces, at least, Romer's critique in a USA Today op-ed:

Sometimes truth arrives from the most unexpected sources. Christina Romer, President Obama's former chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, said last week that she was dismayed at Washington's lack of focus on jobs.

"I frankly don't understand why policymakers aren't more worried about the suffering of real families," Romer said. "We need to realize that there is still a lot of devastation out there." She called the 8.9% unemployment rate "an absolute crisis."

His solutions:

•A tax policy that rewards savings, investment, entrepreneurial risk-taking and exports.

•Free, open and fair access to foreign markets, with a focus on constructive trade reform with China.

•Elimination of the federal bureaucratic and regulatory stranglehold on business.

•A market-driven energy policy that encourages investment in America and reduces our dependence on foreign oil.

•A commitment to fiscal responsibility through budget restraints and entitlement reform.

Romer's solutions include slashing the employer's side of the payroll tax, something Republicans could probably get behind, but it also includes even more aggressive attempts by the Fed to encourage investment, more federal infrastructure spending, and an insistence that while policymakers should worry about long-term deficits, they really shouldn't worry about this year's.

(h/t Mike Allen)


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Obama's congressional companions

President Barack Obama is taking a full crew of House lawmakers with him to Tucson, Ariz., Wednesday.

In addition to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Republican Reps. Paul Gosar, Trent Franks, Ben Quayle, Dave Schweikert and Jeff Flake will travel aboard Air Force One to Tucson with the president for the ceremony to honor victims of the massacre last week.

Gosar and Schweikert are two Arizona Republicans who beat Democrats in 2010.


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EU clashes with UN’s stance as Colombia forgives and forgets

EU foreign ministers are being urged by their diplomats to back a changed strategy for Colombia when they meet in Luxembourg on 3 October.

The diplomats are calling on the Union to support the Colombian government’s controversial move to reintegrate armed groups into society, even though it has been strongly criticised by the United Nations.

Colombia’s Vice-President Francisco Santos will speak in favour of the Justice and Peace Law when he addresses a European Parliament hearing today (22 September).

Bogot‡ regards the new law, which entered into force in late July, as the next step in a peace process stemming from the ceasefires called by some armed groups in December 2002. Members of armed organisations would be allowed to go free provided they confess to their crimes and serve a prison sentence of five to eight years. According to the Colombian government, the law’s provisions can be applied to right-wing paramilitary organisations like the United Self-Defence Forces of Colombia (AUC), as well as to guerrilla groups like the Marxist-oriented Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).

A confidential paper drawn up jointly by envoys to Bogot‡ from EU member states recognises that the “balance between the risks and benefits of the law” is “not entirely convincing”. It summarises the various complaints against the law, including statements by the UN’s human rights office in Colombia that the law “falls well short of accepted international standards in the area of truth, justice and reparations”.

“The law’s most vociferous critics claim that it is a law for immunity and impunity, giving criminals, guilty of some of the country’s worst human rights abuses, generous benefits, while failing to address the legitimate rights of their victims,” the paper says.

But the diplomats recommend that the EU should follow a policy of “discreet political support and cautious practical help” for the law’s implementation. “If all those charged serve at least some time in detention, this will represent progress, given current levels of impunity, and if at least some of their seized assets are used to compensate the victims, it sends a strong message both to the victims and to other illegal armed groups,” the paper advocates.

The diplomats suggest that support should be offered to “local reconciliation activities” in areas where the ‘demobilisation’ of armed factions is taking place. The Netherlands is already financing such a pilot scheme in the C—rdoba region.

But the paper states that French diplomats have “voiced serious reservations” about the conclusions arrived at by their counterparts from other EU countries. France doubts whether the law can “deliver positive results” and believes it is “too soon” for the EU to decide if it should have an involvement in the peace process, it adds.

Nicolas Echavarria, Colombia’s ambassador to the EU, said that he was “extremely pleased” with indications that the Union will support the law. He described the law as “balanced”, arguing that it provides for “an alternative justice, not a full pardon for those people engaged in illegal armed groups”. Its provision requiring that confessors serve five to eight years in prison is “much more strict than what happened [during peace or reconciliation processes] in South Africa, Rwanda, Argentina, even Chile,” he said.

But Shaun Kirven from the human rights group Action on Colombia predicted that the law was “not going to establish the truth” on atrocities committed during the conflict, despite how “the UN office says truth is a vital part of any reconciliation”. He also voiced fears that it could lead to paramilitaries entering local politics without adequate reparations being granted to their victims.

In a report issued last month, Human Rights Watch claimed that the ‘demobilisation’ efforts were consolidating the powers of paramilitaries. Although almost 6,000 people have taken part in “collective paramilitary demobilisations” since 2003, just 25 of them had been “detained for the thousands of atrocities committed by their groups” by April 2005, HRW notes. Paramilitary groups continue to control areas like Medell’n, where some demobilisation has taken place and are taking advantage of the process to engage in money laundering from the proceeds of activities like drug trafficking, the report notes.

In addition, the diplomats’ paper states that there have been numerous violations of ceasefires declared by armed groups in the past few years, while some of the demobilisations – such as a 2003 exercise in Medell’n – are described as “more sham than real”. The violations include more than 360 murders, 16 massacres and 180 kidnappings.


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THE European Commission this week postponed a discussion on how to ensure that all citizens get access to phones after liberalisation in 1998, amid protests that its proposed guidelines on universal service are “too soft” on private phone companies. The guidelines are now expected to be debated in two weeks’ time. In the meantime, consumer groups and state telecoms operators hope to persuade the Commission to insist on an obligation to provide all customers, regardless of where they live, with phones at the same price.

NEW rules offering EU copyright protection to databases have been adopted by the Council of Ministers. The legal protection, which will allow creators to prevent the unauthorised use of part, or all of their databases, will be valid for 15 years. But the protection will not affect existing rights of artists,for example, whose works have been included in a database.

EU environment ministers will discuss next week the continuing controversy over the Commission’s decision to delay the ban on imports of furs from animals caught using leghold traps. So far, only the Netherlands has imposed a unilateral ban.

THE Commission published a paper thisweek asserting that open trade and environmental protection can, and should, go hand in hand. The paper is part of the Commission’s preparations for the first World Trade Organisation ministerial meeting in Singapore in December. It calls on the WTO’s committee on trade and environment to focus its debate on Multilateral Environment Agreements, rules on “clean” products, eco-labelling, taxes, dispute settlement, dangerous substances, services and intellectual property.

THE European Commission delayed a decision yesterday (28 February), for the second week in a row, on what kind of cheese could be called feta, because Greek Commissioner Christos Papoutsis was away in Italy. The proposal is expected to return to the Commission in the next two weeks, before being passed on to agriculture ministers.


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Internet commenters
A Paul Ryan-Scott Walker (or Scott Walker-Paul Ryan) ticket for the White House in 2016 would be unconstitutional because both men live in Wisconsin.

Internet commenters on Monday, January 21st, 2013 in website comments

Commenters say Ryan-Walker ticket would be unconstitutional because both live in Wisconsin

When two high-profile Wisconsin pols -- 2012 vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan and Gov. Scott Walker -- made a highly precocious Politico.com list of possible 2016 Republican presidential candidates, some Internet commenters cheered. Others jeered.

One political junkie’s Dream Ticket, it seems, is another’s Nightmare Express.

But as the online reaction unfolded, we noticed another spin on things as commenters speculated on the two longtime friends being on the same ticket. It’s a legal impossibility, some argued.

When Walker was to appear Jan. 21, 2013 on Greta Van Susteren’s "On the Record" show on FOX News, the commenter "4knit" called for a Ryan-Walker ticket when posting a comment on an item promoting that night’s appearance.

A follow up post by "righteousva" dismissed the thought: "They couldn't carry Wisconsin for Romney in 2012; also not constitutional."

Curious about the constitutional question, we surfed around a bit more … and found comments from late November 2012 speculating about an all-Florida ticket of former Gov. Jeb Bush and current U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio.

"Can’t happen unless one of them moves, "karenhasfreedom" wrote on HotAir.com. "I remember back in 2000, Cheney had to move to WY to qualify as the VP because of some obscure thing that the entire ticket can’t come from the same state."

Very interesting.

At this point, we paused -- ever so briefly -- to consider an admonition directed at the Journal Sentinel when Walker and Ryan surfaced on Politico’s watch list.

"Hey JS … Can we give it a rest for a little while and enjoy the holidays," wrote "shadow1757" "No need to stoke the flames of political differences around the dinner table. Can we at least wait until inauguration day has passed to start speculation on the next POTUS race?"

Well, inauguration day has passed.

And, while we typically check statements by politicians, parties and pundits, we have also looked at claims from chain emails, Facebook posts and bloggers, even a billboard. So, why not take on a claim being circulated by a bunch of Internet commenters?

So, on to 2016 and this question: Would a same-state ticket run afoul of the Constitution?

We consulted several constitutional scholars, political scientists and experts on the Electoral College process and found there is a serious issue here that was a fascinating footnote in the razor-thin, controversial 2000 presidential race.

And it could come into play again … in theory.

In 2000, of course, with a boost from the U.S. Supreme Court decision ending the Florida recount, Republican George W. Bush topped Democrat Al Gore by five electoral votes even though he trailed in the popular vote.

Just weeks before the Electoral College met, lawyers for three Texas voters challenged the Texas delegation’s right to cast its 32 electoral votes for Bush, the Texas governor, and his running mate, Dick Cheney.

The lawsuit, which was dismissed in Texas courts before the electoral vote, claimed the U.S. Constitution’s 12th Amendment prohibited electors from voting for president and vice presidential candidates who live in the same state.

Cheney had lived and worked in Texas, but an appeals court ruled his residence was Wyoming, where he had switched his voter registration and drivers license just before becoming Bush’s running mate, according to media accounts from the time.

"Cheney tried to avoid the 12th Amendment issue by moving his voter registration and driver license from Texas to Wyoming in July, just before Bush announced him as his running mate," Cox News Service reported in January 2001.

Here’s what’s behind the issue.

Article Two of the U.S. Constitution says of the role of electors: "The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves."

The 12th Amendment, approved in 1804, slightly altered the language (italics added): "The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves."

That means electors from Wisconsin, for example, could not vote for both Ryan and Walker on a national ticket. That was the assessment of Judith Best of State University of New York-Cortland, Jack Rakove of Stanford University and Miriam Vincent of the Office of the Federal Register, which administers procedural aspects of Electoral College process.

Electors cast separate votes for the two offices.

The original rationale, Rakove explained, was that there would be a lot of "favorite son" voting among the electors, so that by requiring electors to cast one vote for someone who was not a resident of their own state, they would be forced to cast one vote on non-parochial (though not necessarily non-regional) grounds.

However, that’s different than being prohibited from running on the same ticket. None of our experts said a same-state ticket would somehow be blocked from running, or that would be unconstitutional.

To be sure, there could be negative consequences for such a ticket … at least on paper.

"In the current case you imagine, only Wisconsin electors would be affected," Rakove wrote to us. "Presumably they would cast their votes for president for the Wis. candidate, and throw away their votes for vice president (I would bet for another Republican, rather than a Democrat)."

Rakove said in the event that an electoral decision comes down to a handful of votes (like in 2000), the loss of the Wisconsin electors for the vice presidential candidate could prevent that candidate from getting a majority of electoral votes. In that event, the U.S. Senate chooses the veep.

"It is still hard for me to imagine why senators from the other party would insist on voting for a v.p. from a different party than the president-elect," Rakove said in the email.

We lured Vincent and Best deeper into our web of hypotheticals, asking if Wisconsin electors under such a scenario could split their allegiances.

Yes, they said. For example, half could decide to support Walker for president and half could cast their presidential ballot for a non-Wisconsin resident.

Under that scenario, the half that shunned Walker would be free to vote for Ryan for vice president.

Of course, electors presumably would do this only if Walker had enough cushion in the electoral voting to win the presidency even without the full slate of votes from Wisconsin.

The bottom line: A same-state ticket would pay a penalty in the presidential tally, the VP tally, or both.

Which is why, among many other obvious strategic calculations, that same-state tickets are so unlikely to develop.

Our rating

Commenters on a hypothetical Ryan-Walker or Walker-Ryan ticket in 2016 claimed that such arrangements are unconstitutional.

The constitution does exact a price for such arrangements, as electoral voters could only cast a ballot for one or the other candidate. But the claim that such tickets would be outlawed or blocked from running is off the mark.

With a gentle nod to the commenters who probably never dreamed their musings would be fact-checked, we rate the claim False.


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  • Nothing screams “hot new retail!” like a storefront DMV.

    The question remains: will they serve small plates!?!?!

    • As someone who lives near there I am actually most excited for the DMV. First off it makes perfect sense as a location because many people who need DMV services can’t drive so putting it near a metro station is great. Second, it is going to generate foot traffic and people will be waiting around for a while, so the restaurants and other retail will get some business from people outside of just the local area.

      • Absolutely true. The DMV office is the only reason to get excited about this, and the only reason I’d go to any of the other places.

  • That’s interesting that there’s a DMV location coming back to that area — there used to be a freestanding one adjacent to a strip mall on Brentwood Road, on the other side of the Home Depot, Giant, etc. I think it closed sometime in the past few years.

    • It’s actually the DMV exclusively for drivers with a CDL (Commercial Driver’s License).

      • Ahh, OK. I think I forgot that detail. I just remembered that I used to be able to get my DMV-related stuff done there and that last time I’d checked, I’d had to go to the one in Southwest instead.

  • Sala Thai is so terrible.

  • That area (including the neighboring Home Depot/Giant shopping center) is a top contender for most befuddling/strangely laid out retail complex in DC.

  • I actually think it’s about the best mix of retail you could possible ask for in this area (whether it will succeed is another story). The DMV will actually act as a major anchor- it draws a ton of daytime traffic, believe it or not. After the previous RIA and Gtown locations closed, they really need another one anyways.

    • Huh, cool point about the daytime draw from the DMV. I hadn’t thought of it that way. Hope it helps support everything else. Personally I’m most excited for a nearby Chipotle (as someone who lives a few blocks up in Brookland).

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    What, no Cricket? Where am I going to get my burners?

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    This whole development befuddles me. Who wants to live on top of (very close to) the Rhode Island Avenue metro station?

    • People who commute by Metro and don’t want to spend a lot of time getting to the Metro station?

    • How does that “befuddle” you? I walk 15 steps across the street and jump on the metro for work. I don’t have to tromp through the cold for 20 minutes while walking to a metro station or waiting on a bus.

      I can also walk about 100 steps across the road to TJ Maxx and spend copious amounts of money on things I don’t need.

      • For privacy and noise reasons, I probably wouldn’t want one of the units that’s facing the Metro tracks head on, but other units wouldn’t be so bad. (The style isn’t my personal preference, but I can see where such close proximity to the Metro would be convient and appealing for some people’s commuting situations.)

  • Chain Central. This all sounds awful, which isn’t surprising considering how insincere the apartments there look. (Though I concede that the DMV could be really useful for some.)

    • I get that the apartments look mass-produced, but “insincere”??

      Which apartment or condo buildings do you find sufficiently “sincere”? Are any of them recent construction?

      • Perhaps nolo’s point was that the development looks faux-urban, and that the addition of various chain retailers exacerbates that. Or, at least, that’s how it looks to me. I’ll add the caveat though, that I’m not sure how easy it is to create new, transit-oriented communities that don’t look mass-produced, and I’ve love to know of some examples of newer construction that look more organic or eclectic. Personally, I have a fondness for character and older construction…but eveyone has different tastes, so maybe RI Row is someone’s thing. (Aesthetic preferences would be less important if the price was right, but with apartments starting at $1850…meh.)

        • The Yale Steam Laundry Condo and Apartment buildings are a perfect example of a new building blending in perfectly in a historic neighborhood. But I agree, you can count the number of great timeless new buildings in DC on one hand. The ATF building in Noma and the Newseum are the only other buildings that have been put up in the past ten years that are passable.

    • It’s the Maryland development aesthetic invading DC. Meh.

    • I know, right? That development was totally like, I really like your shirt. And then later, I found out that it didn’t really like my shirt. It just said that. I couldn’t believe those apartments could be that way. Lame.

  • Love the place, but Chipotle’s gotta being nearing its Starbucks-level saturation point.

    • I think it’s surprising that there’s NO Chipotle anywhere near U Street. With all the dense development near 14th & U, you’d think there would be one here before Rhode Island Ave NE.

    • Still waiting for the Petworth Chipotle. The Columbia Heights safeway is always packed, half hour line every night of the week (love on-line ordering btw!)

  • Wooo hooo on the new DMV!!! I hate trucking it to G-town car-less.

    • Especially when you get there and find out that DMV office was closed months ago!

      • I had no idea! Thanks for the info!!

        I am taking my first driver’s test on the 21st so wish me luck 🙂 And yes, I’m an adult haha.

  • I think this is great! I live in the neighborhood (S. Dakota & Rhode Island) Both Chipotle and Carolina Kitchen are restaurants that I occasionally drive out to PG county patronise, and it will be great to be able to stop there on the way home from work and keep those dollars int he District!

  • So much hate now! How is Rhode Island can get these type services but upper Georgia Avenue is left out…?

  • ughhh enough with the d.c. food snobbery, go eat your 5 star $50 plates and bugger off! if you don’t like it don’t eat! haters suck!

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Feb-04-13 12:25 AM

Because you represent the minority opinion. You are a significant minority, but the majority believes in a woman's right to choose and not giving legal status before birth. What you have is the right not to be forced to have an abortion and the right to speak you mind. I don't think this is going to change anytime soon. Do you?

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Feb-04-13 5:34 AM

Anthony is not in the minority in this debate. Only the supreme court is in the minority and that will soon change. We must stop killing unborn babies.

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Feb-04-13 6:29 AM

It is a woman's right to choose...up to a point. When a baby is conceived of recreational sex, not out of love and the need to start a family, they need to live with the consequences of their decision. Don't want the child? Fine. Give it up for adoption. Give it to a loving couple that can't conceive.

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Feb-04-13 7:25 AM

}"What are we Americans thinking? We are letting the government take away our liberties as it sees fit. We deserve better!" Now Mr.Pingitore how can you say this and still want to control what another person actions are (abortion) .?

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Feb-04-13 9:25 AM

Satan has taken over this world. For 40 years it's been okay to choose to kill your baby for convenience. Thank God that the Lord is with us to keep some semblance of humanity and goodness on this earth. By the way, in the end God wins.

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Feb-04-13 9:59 AM

"It has been scientifically proven that life does begin at conception and these babies they are eliminating are indeed children."

Nope. Life actually begins BEFORE conception. The sperm and the egg are alive. So by your logic one is a mass murderer each time they mast er bate.

I think the more important issue is when a fetus becomes a functional 'human being'. They don't develop a detailed, functioning nervous syatem until after the end of the first trimester. Before that it is still the shell of a human.

I agree that late term abortions should be restricted to emergencies, but abortions done in the first half of pregnancy are, and should be, the woman's choice.

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Feb-04-13 10:49 AM

The writer asked if we will continue to vote the same people in to office year after year. Sadly, in this country the answer for the most part is YES. Until we have term limits in congress, this situation will continue.

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Feb-04-13 10:57 AM

It is clear. There will never be an end to this debate. Why? It will never end because there are logical and coherent points on both sides. It is that simple. The RTL people might as well quit stamping their feet. Roe V. Wade is here to stay as long as women can vote. I for one am in favor of the right to choose and I realize that it is just that (an opinion not fact) Can the other side admit the same?

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Feb-04-13 11:20 AM

I am a mother of 2 wonderful girls, and I honestly don't think I could ever have an abortion. However, what happens in and to my body is my choice.

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Feb-04-13 11:44 AM

Roe Vs Wade was not voted in. It was a court decision. It might win a vote now, but it woldn't have won popular vote back then, or until a couple years ago.

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Feb-04-13 12:34 PM

thank you for the 11:20am post-we finally hear a woman's voice on this debate.

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Feb-04-13 2:28 PM

Im not sure i understand that women have the right to murder?

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Feb-04-13 2:35 PM

I believe that my child that i carried was alive from day one and was my child from day one, that i loved from day one and I could never kill my baby regardless of what someone else may call it.

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Feb-04-13 2:55 PM

No Anthony, you "law-abiding, gun owning, pro-life God-fearing citizens are not considered "Terrorists ", just wackos the way you feel and act towards anyone who disagrees with you.

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Feb-04-13 3:30 PM

"Im not sure i understand that women have the right to murder?" From the way you phrased the question, yes, it is painfully obvious you don't understand the issue. It not murder if done before the fetus has developed human anatomy. Is it murder to allow an living egg to die on the uteral wall? The egg has the potential for human life as well. I personally would probably choose adoption over abortion, but that doesn't mean my opinion should be law, or that people of a different opinion than mine are 'murderers'. As for our rights being taken away, with restriction on high capacity magazines, what about banning gay marriage, banning stem cell research, etc...those bans increase our rights somehow? Ironic.

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Feb-04-13 3:38 PM

Loner, if you are going to thumb up and down posts under multiple aliases, you should remember which one you are under when you post. lol. Or, how's the 'lady friend'? lol

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Feb-04-13 5:13 PM

Monkey I'm pretty sure u would have one if you could. It would help you feel more like u think you should be. It would help you fit in with the girls

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Feb-04-13 5:15 PM

I agree monkeyboy, if a person wants to end the life within them, they have to deal with it and it is their choice. I just could not kill the life that is conceived within me, my little baby, whom i could never forget.

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Feb-04-13 5:43 PM

Some yrs ago i counseled girls who had abortions, the guilt these girls carried was heartbreaking, some had even calculated the aborted baby's birthday. Very sad, something these girls will carry for the rest of their lives.

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Feb-04-13 5:45 PM

yes, sueanne, we know you don't like abortion. Good for you. Of course some girls feel guilty after giving up for adoption, some have their lives ruined trying to raise the baby themselves without a father, some raise the baby and neglect or abuse can have guilt or a negative outcome no matter which choice you make. Some women after abortions feel they did the right thing.

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Feb-04-13 5:51 PM

Im telling you of my experience. If you dont like that, you can just get over it. And your demeanor is quite aggressive toward me.

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Feb-04-13 5:59 PM

yeah, and if you don't like people having abortions, you can get over it. And don't play the innocent victim, i've watched you call others liars and get aggressive yourself. Get over yourself.

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Feb-04-13 6:02 PM

Being a mom and protecting my baby from conception is breed into our genes and separates us from men. This desire never leaves us and and I've seen where it causes lifelong pain and guilt for those who allow the death of their within them.

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Feb-04-13 6:04 PM

I will continue to address the subject and you can be vicious and attack me.

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Feb-04-13 6:12 PM

The problem is that many women don't fulfill that genetic trend. Its estimated that millions of kids are abused or neglected in the U.S, and many parents cant afford to give their kids a life they deserve, and many feel the guilt over adoption. So, as I said, outcomes can even be worse when the mother decides to keep the child. Its a personal choice, and no one should be judged for it, and certainly it should not be implied that the women who chat route are 'murderers', as you did earlier. Sorry if you feel thats another 'attack'.

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Is it recommended to do a coolant flush after the EGR Cooler delete? I see a couple of posts where they did it afterwards but is it going to hurt anything if I dont do it at the time of install? Thanks in advance
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I dont think it will hurt anything but depending on the mileage its good maintenance. Also you should look at a coolant filter.

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I didnt, no issues yet...knock on wood?

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