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The existence of God conflicts with science.

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The purpose of this debate is to talk about whether, in any and what circumstances, God and science are contradictory. Main discussion topics will be about creation and the big bang, evolution, age of the earth, whether the existence of God matters to everyday science (both functional and forensic), et cetera. I only want to debate someone who is truly qualified and knows about the subject. Bring your best.

Also, asking questions is highly encouraged, because CX is important to a debate. Please put all your questions in the same place so I can answer them easily.

Thanks to Con for initiating this debate. Con has defined God as the Judeo-Christian God. He also said the bible will be in discussion. I will present two scientific arguments refuting the God defined.

The Universe Never Began

God needs to be the cause of the universe. In order for this to be true, the universe must begin. It must at one time not have existed. Otherwise, God would not have been the creator, only a sustainer of something that has existed as long as he has. A clear definition of what it means to begin to exist is given by Christian Philosopher, William Lane Craig

e comes into being at t if and only if (i) e exists at t, (ii) t is the first time at which e exists, (iii) there is no state of affairs in the actual world in which e exists timelessly, and (iv) e’s existing at t is a tensed fact. [1]

This means most of the A theories of time are required for something to begin to exist. So, do theories of time in which the past and future exist hold weight? Experiments in quantum mechanics say yes. Particles can be entangled through time [2]. The present can affect the past and the past can be affected by the future, meaning they must all exist. This implies either the B theory of time or the moving theory of time, but these don’t fit the given definition. Other experiments show time is an internal phenomena from quantum entanglement [3]. An external observer would perceive all states of time.

Furthermore, time travel cannot happen for the universe to begin. Otherwise, the past and future would have to exist. But we have observed time dilation [4].

Take note, this does not reject current scientific models like the big bang. Under these theories of time the universe is indeed finite. However, it does not begin. It’s like inch one beginning on a ruler, or Canada beginning at its border.

To put this in a syllogism

1. If the Universe never began, God does not exist.

2. The Universe never began

C. Therefore, God does not exist.

Premise one is true by the definition of God. Premise two has just been justified. The conclusion follows.

The resolution is affirmed.

The Bible is wrong

The argument goes like so,

1. 2 Timothy 3:16 says “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,”

2. God is suppose to be perfect

3. His scripture is full of errors making it imperfect

4. A perfect God can't breath an imperfect book

C. Christianity is false

Proof of Premise 3

The bible seems to teach the out dated Geocentric model.

Joshua 10:12-13

12 Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Many of tired to get around this by stating Joshua only said it appeared that way. However this is wrong for many reasons. First, Joshua asked God to stop the sun, not the earth. If we were speaking in an appearance manor we don't ask for the said appearance. Second, Habakkuk 3:11 states

"The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear."

Clearly showing the belief that the sun itself stopped rotation.

Some have also tried to get around this by pointing out that the sun does rotate around the milky way. This is true, however it wouldn't have any affect on the earth's day, because if the sun moved or not, it still creates curvature in spacetime. Stating that both the sun and earth stopped would be wishful thinking, speculating with no scriptural support.

Alternatively one could say that Geocentrism is true. However this is shown wrong by many observable effects.

*Stellar parallax [5]

*Basic Gravity [6]

*Stellar aberration [7]

We also know the Earth rotates by the effects it produces. Like,

* Coriolis effect [8]

* Foucault's pendulum [9]

The resolution is affirmed.

[6] Curtis Wilson, "The Newtonian achievement in astronomy", pages 233–274

Debate Round No. 1

C1): God is Necessary to Science

Science, the pursuit of truth through the scientific method, is completely and utterly dependent on truth. Because of the human situation, there is "no picture- or theory-independent concept of reality." [1] Due to this, all that we can observe is all that we know. I promise you there are many things we do not know exist simply because we cannot observe them, yet. Our best evidence, even though it is our best evidence, may not really point to the truth. Here is an example: Ptolemy developed a theory called Geocentrism off of his best and most precise measurements of the universe. We know that the Earth revolves around the sun, but, in Ptolemy's time, all the evidence pointed to the "fact" that the universe revolves around earth. ALL the evidence pointed to this, until we gained a new way of acquiring information: the telescope. Galileo was able to offer evidence (for the first time) that the earth actually revolves around the sun. So, all science is dependent on truth, however, scientific evidence can point away from what is actually true, because science does not determine what is true. IF science does not determine what is true, then what does? Well an atheist would say there is no absolute truth, only reality and what is "experimental" truth. A theist (like me) would say, however, that there is absolute truth, and absolute truth is defined by God. SO, by definition, God cannot be in contradiction with science, no matter where the current scientific evidence is pointing, because current scientific evidence does not always point towards truth.

C2): Science is not a criterion for God

Following from my previous argument, science is not something that God needs to fit in to, because God controls what science is, not vice versa. Science is not necessary to prove the existence of God, because God knows that even if science unequivocally proved the existence of God, it is not what is necessary to convince someone to follow him. Science is not necessary to prove the existence of God, because people do not follow ideals because of any amount of science. Science is not necessary to prove the existence of God, because science is not enough. So, God decided that there is no way to "scientifically" prove whether he exists or not, because it is not enough to change someone's heart. The only thing that can change a person's heart is the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit accomplishes this outside of science. So, don't blame my God for your science's inability to prove his existence.

C3): Rebuttals

A. The Universe Never Began
i. God is outside of time. My opponent argues that the universe never began, because time dilation proves that all time is existent simultaneously. However, that is in no way contradictory to the existence of God. Part A: God sees all time at once. According to my opponent: "An external observer would perceive all states of time." God can perceive all states of time at once. (1 John 3:19-20) God knows everything, including every choice that you will make. That may seem against free will if God already knows what actions you are going to perform. That leads me to point B: There are two types of knowledge. The first type of knowledge is to just know something. The second form is knowing where to find a piece of information. God has access to all knowledge, every secret, every yearning of your heart. And, God can contain all of this knowledge at the same time. However, he does not need to "remember" information, he just has to "remember" where he can get it. So, there is no contradiction between God knowing the future and free will, nor is there a contradiction between God and current scientific evidence.

ii. No full conclusion. You do present evidence that says that 1. the definition of beginning, 2. particles can be entangled, 3. An outside observer sees a static environment 4. time dilation exists. However, these do not contradict because: B-theory does not say that the universe cannot be created (because if a person makes a pot, the pot comes into existence, but does not begin; creation and beginning are not the same thing); God exists everywhere inside the universe, and outside the universe (just as if you stick your hand in the pot, you exist in the universe of the pot, but you are still outside of the pot); God does see both a static and time-driven environment; and time dilation has nothing to do with the existence of God (also, time dilation can only move you forward in time at a greater or lesser rate, not backwards, that's why it is not called time travel).

To put this in a syllogism:

1. Beginning requires time to flow in a static line.

2. B-theory does not allow for time to flow in a static line.

3. God created the universe

4. Creating does not mean beginning

C. God can create the universe whether B-Theory is true or not.

B. The Bible is Wrong
i. Premise 3: The Bible teaches us about science in the time of Joshua. When talking about reality, Stephen Hawking says that "there is no picture- or theory-independent concept of reality." This means that what reality is, is all that we can sense. At the time Joshua 10:12-13 was written, the only sensible information pointed to the idea that the sun revolved around the earth. Therefore, Joshua's reality was only that which he possibly could have observed, and in that reality, the sun did revolve around the Earth. Don't hear this and believe that I'm saying that the Bible is not the words of God. See, God breathed does not mean God written. Every single exact word is not a specific word of God, such as when you take notes on a lecture, you don't write down exactly what your teacher states, you are just writing all of the main ideas, so that you are prepared for the test. So, the idea that God is trying to convey through Joshua is not that of a scientific fact, but that of an observation. If the earth stopped rotating, you would not say "Oh my! The earth has stopped rotating!" You would be much more prone to say "The sun looks like it hasn't moved in a while... (a bit later)... the sun has definitely not moved, because the shadows aren't moving... (even later)... all right, what's going on here, why isn't the sun moving?" because, from our perspective, the sun is what moves, and not the earth. Joshua really did ask God to stop the sun in its movement, because the Amorites worshipped the sun, and to see the sun obey God was really their god calling himself not god. So, in all practicality, the sun did stop moving, and the moon stopped.

ii. I'm going to turn this argument, however, into something in my favor. Many cultures have myths about a day that was longer than all the rest (or a night for the Maya and Maori). For example, the Greeks have a myth about the sun chariot moving too close to the earth, and the day being longer than all the others. The Maya, however, have a story about a night that was longer than all the others. In these other religions, this was just a random event. In Judaism (and Christianity), this event has meaning, and has a purpose. So, all these other religions tell us that it happened, and the Bible tells us the real reason, because God made "The sun and moon [stand] still in their habitation."

In conclusion, God is a necessary part of science, because he determines what science is. Also, God does not need to be scientifically provable, simply because it will have no effect. B-theory, which is supported by scientific evidence, does not conflict with the existence of God, because to create and to begin are not the same thing. Finally, the Bible is not wrong, because it is the pure and perfect word of a pure and perfect God, and there are no contradictions between what is true and what is taught in the Bible.

[1] quote by Stephen Hawking

Con’s C1: God is necessary for science

Con says God is necessary for science because science depends on absolute truth. Which only the theist can account for. However, truth can be from the nature of something. The very nature of existence contains logic , like existence = existence, it’s not existence and nonexistence at the same time, ect. This is the basis of absolute truth. It can easily be accounted for on an atheistic worldview. However Con just asserts God is the the creator of truth. He does nothing to demonstrate that, making his case a bare assertion fallacy.

Con’s C2: Science as a criterion for God

This isn’t a contention at all. It’s a rebuttal to an argument I never made. It doesn’t matter if science doesn’t need to prove God to convince someone or if there is no scientific evidence in support of God. All that matters is if scientific evidence contradicts God. For example, many people think homeopathy works. It isn’t necessary for someone to be convinced scientifically that it does, nor has science proven homeopathy works. This doesn’t mean homeopathy doesn’t contradict current scientific evidence. Con’s entire C2 is an irrelevant straw man fallacy.

The Universe Never Began

Con’s first rebuttal is an absolute strawman. I never made the argument that God cannot be free and omniscient. Nothing I said suggested it either. His only other argument is that something can be created, but not begin. Christian Philosopher Dr. William Lane Craig disagrees.

“On a B-Theory of time, the universe does not in fact come into being or become actual at the Big Bang; it just exists tenselessly as a four-dimensional space-time block that is finitely extended in the earlier than direction. If time is tenseless, then the universe never really comes into being, and, therefore, the quest for a cause of its coming into being is misconceived." [1]

He has also said

“[On a B theory of time] There is in the actual world no state of affairs of God existing alone without the space-time universe. God never really brings the universe into being; as a whole it co-exists timelessly with Him.” [2]

So, I would negate premise 4 as being incoherent. The definition of creating is

Bring (something) into existence: [3]

So Con is saying the universe didn’t begin, but it was brought into existence. Nothing is ontologically created on the B theory of time either, otherwise “(ii) t is the first time at which e exists” would be true.

However, all I have to do is cite Genesis 1:1

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”

The bible itself says things begin. Furthermore, time dilation would show the past exists. Because to a future clock in space, the clocks on earth are in the past.

The Bible is Wrong

Con here says the bible is just making an observation of what happened. However, Con would have to reject the bible. 1 Timothy 3:16 says

“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,”

If the bible speaks in an untrue observational matter, then it’s not useful for teaching. Furthermore my other verse is ignored. Habakkuk 3:11 states

"The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear."

The sun doesn’t live in the sky, it lives in space.

Con’s rebuttal is an ad hoc moving goal post fallacy. No matter what scientific error is brought up, Con could use the exact same excuse. If the bible said “The moon is made of cheese” he could say it was just an observation.

Your argument of long day stories would only work if you show the all originated from the exact same time period. I couldn’t find a date on either of the stories Con talked about. Although he claims all of these other religions claim it just happened. This is false. The Maori say a man named Maui stopped the sun [5]. He directly contradicts himself, because he says why the Greek story has the sun stop, although I couldn’t find the day slowing in the story of the greek Phaethon [6]. Furthermore, how would all of these sun stopping commands just happen to correlate with everyone stopping the sun at once? Why assume the biblical God did this and not the gods or people of other cultures?

Con’s first argument is refuted. His second argument is irrelevant. His rebuttal to my argument is based on misunderstandings and his rebuttal against my second is full of ad hocs.

My arguments remain standing.

[1]Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology pp 183-184

Debate Round No. 2

davidmgreen forfeited this round.

Con forfeited.

*Sad face*
Debate Round No. 3

davidmgreen forfeited this round.

Alright then.....
Debate Round No. 4

davidmgreen forfeited this round.

davidmgreen you instigated this debate.
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by n7 2 years ago
Yeah, it's too bad how often people forfeit.
Posted by Fanath 2 years ago
Not a very surprising outcome to be honest.
Posted by L.D 2 years ago
The way one interprets the Bible is the most important thing here. However, I do not want to say much as i am not sure if the debate is over or not. I will return with my conclusion once it is in fact finished.
Posted by davidmgreen 2 years ago
Start in round 1
Posted by n7 2 years ago
Can I make my arguments i n round 1? Or is it for acceptance only?
Posted by Hematite12 2 years ago
Oh. I might accept then.

Thanks :)
Posted by davidmgreen 2 years ago
That's part of the debate, the scientific and historical validity and authority of the Bible
Posted by Hematite12 2 years ago
Are we assuming the bible to be taken literally for the purposes of the debate?
Posted by davidmgreen 2 years ago
Fanath God being the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible
Posted by Fanath 2 years ago
Define god.
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Thumbs up Rally Light Wiring: ROUTE THROUGH ROLL CAGE

I have 4 Hella 3000's mounted to tabs on my factory roll cage. I am tired of looking at sagging wires and zip ties. I would like to drill into the cage and route the wires through and into the engine compartment -- but wanted to get advice from you guys first.

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I have seen people who have drilled a hole behind each tab and ran the wires thru the rollbar. If you do it the second way, you are going to have to remove the front part of the cage and drill a hole thru the inside of the fender to get the wires out of the roll bar. I hope I have not confused you with this explenation. I wish I had some pictures of the thru the bar thing. Good luck.

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Has anybody done this? Where is the best place to run wires from engine bay into cab?

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If you can take off the cage, and run the wires down the drivers side, then you can run the wires into the cab through the existing hole in the firewall, behind the instrument cluster.

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As the Republican Party has been scrambling to show that they really like women — okay only conservative women —, they are about to lose another battle as the Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D – Nevada) brings up  Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2011 for a cloture vote.

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  1. bamboozer says:

    The GOP is playing to it’s most extreme elements on issues like this and have even managed to offend conservtive women in the process. Will it harm them in november? Yes, but not dramatically so. Then again I could be wrong.

  2. Aoine says:

    Lets try the truth for starters

  3. Aoine says:

    I am so proud of these women- the rest of is should be so openly defiant

    Yeeeeehawwww boys of the church. Next stop….the GOP! Of these nuns are willing to take on the Vatican and the Vicar of Christ the GOP does not stand a chance!

  4. socialistic ben says:

    cant say that i feel the least bit sorry for what’s about to happen to the little boys in Rome. They are going to try and “punish” these women no doubt. Hopefully it drags some republican politicians down as well.


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  • 2 tsp. canola oil
  • 1 lb. chicken breast tenders
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  • brown rice

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Protest or Piracy? Greenpeace Activists Remain Jailed in Russia After Boarding Arctic Oil Rig

September 26, 2013

Thirty Greenpeace activists remain jailed in Russia facing possible piracy charges after they attempted to board Russia’s first Arctic offshore oil rig. Many of the activists are appearing in a Russian court today, facing up to 15 years in prison if Russian prosecutors bring threatened piracy charges. We’re joined by Greenpeace Executive Director Kumi Naidoo, who took part in a similar action against oil drilling in the Arctic last year. "This is a disproportionate use of state authority to try to silence of every important global conversation that needs to be had," Naidoo says. "We are reaching the tipping point on climate. The Arctic serves as a refrigerator and an air conditioner of the planet. And rather than treating the warming sea ice during the summer months as a warning sign that we need to get serious about climate change, sadly Western oil companies like Exxon, Shell and so on are partnering with Russian-owned companies to go and try to drill for the last drops of oil in this most fragile, remote and risky environment."

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JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Thirty activists with Greenpeace remain jailed in Russia and face possible piracy charges one week after they were detained during a peaceful protest against Arctic oil drilling. Many of the Greenpeace activists are appearing in a Russian court today. A freelance photographer and a Greenpeace spokesperson, Roman Dolgov, have just been ordered to be jailed for two months.

On September 18th, Greenpeace activists attempted to scale Russia’s first Arctic offshore oil platform. A nearby Russian coast guard ship with agents masked on board responded. The Russians proceeded to ram and slash the Greenpeace inflatable boats, sprayed the activists with water cannons, and fired warning shots. They detained two Greenpeace activists who had managed to climb onto the oil platform.

AMY GOODMAN: A day later, armed Russian coast guards descended on Greenpeace’s main ship, the Arctic Sunrise, using a helicopter and ropes. They reportedly lined up the majority of the 30 activists on board and held them at gunpoint on their knees on the ship’s deck. Officials then towed the boat and its occupants to the port of Murmansk, where the activists were held incommunicado and questioned by investigators. On Tuesday, Russia’s top investigative agency said it would prosecute the Greenpeace activists on piracy charges. If convicted, the activists could face up to 15 years in prison.

On Wednesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin defended the Russian coast guard’s decision to apprehend the Greenpeace activists. He spoke at an international conference on the Arctic.

PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN: [translated] It would be better if Greenpeace representatives sat with us together in this hall and told us what they think about the problems we’re discussing. They could state their complaints, demands and concerns. No one is trying to brush them aside. We gather for meetings like this specifically to discuss such problems. It’s obvious they are not pirates, but they tried to storm the platform. Our security forces and border troops did not know who exactly was trying to seize the platform under the Greenpeace guise. It’s obvious these people violated international law by coming dangerously close to the platform.

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Human rights groups have called on Russian authorities to drop the piracy charges. Amnesty International Russia Director Sergei Nikitin said the activists legitimately exercised their right to peaceful protest.

SERGEI NIKITIN: [translated] Piracy charges are totally fabricated and do not have any legal basis. They are absolutely baseless. We are calling on the Russian authorities to drop these charges against the Greenpeace activists, who used their right to a peaceful protest. Let me stress that the activists who protested against oil drilling in the Arctic did not possess any weapons.

AMY GOODMAN: For more, we’re joined by Kumi Naidoo. He’s the executive director of Greenpeace International. In 2012, he participated in a similar action against oil drilling in the Arctic.

Kumi Naidoo, it’s great to have you in our studios here at Democracy Now!

KUMI NAIDOO: Thank you, Amy. It’s good to be here.

AMY GOODMAN: I should say in our LEED Platinum studios—

AMY GOODMAN: —the highest rating you can get in green building.

KUMI NAIDOO: Yes, congratulations on that.

AMY GOODMAN: Explain to us what is happening right now in the Arctic.

KUMI NAIDOO: As we sit now, the activists are in court. Already, we know that five activists—two from Russia, one from Canada, New Zealand and Poland—have already been sentenced to what is euphemistically called pretrial detention, which is basically detention without trial, for two months. And the charges that they are being investigated are actually piracy. In the words of one of the people, Denis Sinyakov, a Russian colleague, who is the photographer on board, he said, "The criminal activity I am blamed for is called journalism. I will continue doing it." And that captures very well what we are seeing here.

This is a disproportionate use of state authority to try to silence off a very important global conversation that needs to be had, because right now we are reaching the tipping points on climate. The Arctic serves as a refrigerator and air conditioner of the planet, and rather than seeing the retreating of the Arctic sea ice during the summer months as a warning sign that we have to get serious about climate change, sadly, Western oil companies like Exxon and Shell and so on are partnering with Russian state-owned companies to actually go and try to drill for the last drops of oil in this most fragile, remote and risky environment for such activities.

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: And talk about the Russian decision to begin exploration. How recent is it, and what are the plans in terms of how extensive they expect it to be?

KUMI NAIDOO: The plans are pretty extensive. It is, sadly, a key part of the Russian government’s economic strategy, actually, to harness the hydrocarbons of fossil fuels in the Arctic. Why this particular facility is important is that even though there are many explorations going on by different companies in different parts of the Arctic, this is the first actual drilling that is about to start. But last year, when we participated in exactly the same protest, which I was part of last year, they said they were about to start then. Our protests slowed them down by about a week, and then they suspended. So, why this is significant is that this will be the beginning of a road to disaster if the drilling actually starts. So that’s why we’ve put so much of emphasis on this particular facility.

AMY GOODMAN: So, Kumi Naidoo, you did this last year already, you, yourself. Talk about that action you did, since you experienced it. I certainly remember it, as we were talking to you hanging off the side of the ship. And so, what has happened in this year?

KUMI NAIDOO: Well, in the course of this year—there was no charges brought against us, by the way. We were very transparent. We never hid anything. In fact, the Russian coast guard ship took them three days to get there, but once they got there, they just observed, and they took a view that we were peaceful. And after we finished our protest after about seven days, we sailed away peacefully, no problem.

So, this is a completely different approach. We don’t understand. I mean, piracy, by the way, is a very big international problem, as we stand today. To actually bring these charges against peaceful activists is to trivialize, actually, the challenge that we have on dealing with piracy, and it is to silence resistance.

And the reality is, I know my colleagues who have participated in this action. In fact, a young woman called Sini Saarela, who was with us last year, is the—was the first person to actually get arrested. And yesterday, the Russian coast guard themselves released footage of their reading of what they did, and it’s horrific. You’ve got Sini Saarela and other activists, Marco from Switzerland, being yanked and—while they were hanging, you know, several meters up. And they’re screaming, "We’re coming down! We’re coming down!" And, you know, they were—their lives were put at serious risk. And then they started shooting bullets into the water close to where the rigs were. And this is really unnecessary intimidation.

We appealed to President Putin and the Russian people as a whole to understand that what is at stake here is not just the world’s future, but Russia is actually very much in the firing line of climate change because of permafrost and what changes are happening, which will impact also heavily on the Russian people.

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: What do you make of the, on the one hand, prosecutors saying they’re going to pursue piracy possible charges, while President Putin says, "Well, obviously, they weren’t pirates," in a public forum? Is this differences within the government or Putin just trying to put on a good face to the actions of his government?

KUMI NAIDOO: This is a really good question to put to the Russian government, who will be the only people who could answer with authority. The speculation is that—the reading is that the occupation of the ship by the coast guards, when they came down by helicopters, happened in international waters, and that action by the Russian state was in fact illegal in terms of international law. And it might be that they are pursuing the piracy charges, because that actually gives them cover from any litigation against them for an illegal act of occupying a ship for no good reason in international waters. That’s the only speculation I’ve heard at the moment, but quite honestly, that’s a question only the Russian authorities can answer.

AMY GOODMAN: And, Kumi, what are the U.S. plans for drilling in the Arctic? They said they’re going to release Arctic-specific drilling rules by year’s end. Of course, Shell wants to drill in the Arctic.

KUMI NAIDOO: Well, Shell has actually given the world a very eloquent sort of example of why it is so incredibly difficult for us to even think that it’s possible to safely drill in the Arctic. Shell has blown $5 billion of their investors’ money over the last two years in one fiasco after other trying to get to the point of exploration. Shell has now suspended the drilling for this year to try and get their act in order. But I think that it is very misguided of President Obama and the U.S. administration to actually allow this to actually happen. To grant any licenses is essentially yet another step towards accelerating us to irreversible climate change, because the consequences of drilling in this very fragile part of the world will just going to be devastating.

AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to break and then come back to our discussion, and Kumi Naidoo will be joined by Jeff Masters of Weather Underground, as we continue to talk about climate change. This is Democracy Now! Kumi Naidoo is executive director of Greenpeace International, in from South Africa. Stay with us.

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A state assemblywoman from Manhattan pleaded guilty today to federal charges that she lied about her martial status to immigration authorities.

Her Assembly website was already taken down this afternoon.

She could face a sentence between a year and 18 months on the two felony charges, the Associated Press reported. She will be sentenced Oct. 3.

Rosa is the 34 New York state lawmaker since 2000 to have faced ethical or legal charges in office.

U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said that Rosa, a citizen of the Dominican Republic, got into trouble through her efforts to obtain U.S. citizenship and conceal assets and income from a federal bankruptcy court.

“Gabriela Rosa’s crimes cut to the heart of her legal qualification to serve the people of the state of New York as a New York state assemblywoman," Bharara said in a statement. "She gained the ability to run for that office only as a result of a years-long immigration fraud, and then she compounded her lack of fitness to serve by defrauding a federal bankruptcy court. Now she faces losing her position and prison time for her actions.”

The state constitution says that only U.S. citizens can serve as members of the state Legislature.

In December 2005, Rosa was naturalized as a U.S. citizen in a scheme to obtain legal residency and ultimately citizenship through a sham marriage, Bharara charged. Rosa paid a spouse $8,000 to enter into a sham marriage with her while she maintained a relationship with another individual who later became her husband, prosecutors said. In follow-up statements and interviews, Rosa contended that she has a bona fide marriage with the first husband.

In September 2009, Rosa filed for bankruptcy and sought to liquidate over $30,000 in debt, but made fraudulent statements about her assets, Bharara charged.

In the plea deal, Rosa admitted to the sham marriage and that she submitted false documents in bankruptcy court. She's return the cash in her campaign account, too, -- which totals $855 in January, but also included $11,000 spent in the prior six months.

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The New Yorker: Power Walk

By Jane Mayer

On a recent Friday, Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Minority Leader of the House of Representatives, showed up for her morning power walk along the Potomac. It was nine o’clock, and she had been up for hours. She had read several newspapers. Her lipstick was perfect, her hair was professionally styled, and she had on an impeccable white running jacket over black jogging pants. “This is like noon for me,” she said. Instead of carrying weights when she walks, Pelosi, who is seventy-one, carries an iPhone–and uses it incessantly.

During her forty-five-minute walk, she plans her day, touches base with her staff, makes thank-you calls to donors, and keeps up with overnight developments. “It could be anything from what’s happening in Libya to what’s happening on Capitol Hill in a very, shall we say, parochial way,” she said. She’d been distracted by a pending “60 Minutes” piece alleging that she did a legislative favor for her husband’s business in 2008. She denies the story. Recently, she has been trying to build stamina for the 2012 elections. This year, she has held three hundred and eleven fund-raising events. In September alone, Pelosi and the Democrats raised nearly twice as much money as the Republican House Committee. Her goal is to take back the House, which would require winning back twenty-five seats.

Pelosi barely slowed to breathe as she held forth on the issues of the day, from the World Series (she refused her husband’s entreaties to turn off the sixth game and go to sleep) to Occupy Wall Street. “People say, ‘Oh, they don’t have a message,’ ” she said. “They don’t need a message. They’re making a statement.” Although she didn’t have all the details of a recent clash in Oakland between police officers and protesters that left an Iraq War veteran hospitalized, she expressed disapproval of the police’s use of force. “I simply don’t understand why they did it,” she said. “It isn’t, I don’t think, appropriate.”

Pelosi rarely watches television, except for sports, and she hasn’t watched any of the Republican Presidential-candidate debates. She believes that Obama is in better shape than the polls indicate. “The Republicans are helping him a lot,” she said. “The extremists–I don’t like to even use that word–those Republicans going too far, sort of stir up the Democratic base, and point out the urgency.”

Pelosi’s exercise regimen, like her grip on power, has had its ups and downs. Once, she bought a stationary bicycle for her apartment. A friend warned that it would soon be little more than a planter. She insisted that this wasn’t so. But then her daughter Alexandra came by and caught her simultaneously pedalling and eating chocolate ice cream out of the carton. “Mother,” Pelosi recalls her daughter saying, “that’s not the point!” She laughed. “So I gave up the stationary bike. Now when I come home I hang my purse on it.”

That morning, as she attempted to make her rapid-fire round of political phone calls, she had encountered a technical glitch. “I have a new phone this morning,” she said, holding up a shiny black iPhone 4S, as she marched along the waterfront. “But I’ve had the craziest experience with it.” Every time she tried to call her press secretary, Drew Hammill, she said, “I’d get Jon Kyl,” the conservative Republican senator from Arizona.

“So I call,” she went on, “and they say, ‘Office of Senator Jon Kyl,’ and I say, ‘I’m sorry–what did you say?’ ” She apologized, hung up, and redialled her aide. Sure enough, once again someone answered, “Office of Senator Jon Kyl.”

Could the mixup have been a signal from on high that, in this moment of extreme partisan divisiveness, it’s time for two of the most outspoken leaders of their respective parties to cross lines and make amends or, at least, to sit down for a cup of coffee? Or was it just the result of a hapless staffer screwing up while programming the Leader’s new phone? Either way, Pelosi suggested, it was perhaps not the best time to cozy up to the opposition.

“Of course, Jon Kyl is my friend,” she added quickly and diplomatically, “so I wouldn’t mind chatting with him. But it was”–she paused, searching for the right words–“a little early.”

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Vail Resorts Inc. said Thursday it is buying out the Garts’ share of Specialty Sports Venture, a firm that had been jointly owned by the family and Vail.

Vail Resorts will pay $31 million to the Garts for the 30 percent share of Specialty Sports that it doesn’t already own.

Ken Gart, president of the 145-store firm, described the sale as “a bittersweet moment for … our family.”

Specialty Sports operates Colorado Ski & Golf, Bicycle Village and dozens of retail and rental shops in Vail, Beaver Creek, Breckenridge, Keystone, Aspen and Telluride, as well as resorts in Utah, Nevada and California.

Brothers Ken and Tom Gart will continue to manage Gart Properties, owner of the Denver Pavillions retail center and several other commercial properties in Colorado.

Gart Bros. Sporting Goods was founded in Denver by the brothers’ grandfather, Nathan Gart, in 1928.

The family sold its retail operations in 1986 to Thrifty Corp. It built a new chain of sporting-good stores in the early 1990s and merged it with ski-area owner Vail Resorts in 1998.

Specialty Sports Venture had 2009 sales of $147.4 million.

The firm’s management will be taken over by Kat Jobanputra, who has served under the Garts as executive vice president and chief operating officer of Specialty Sports.

The firm’s headquarters and 52 corporate employees will be transferred this fall from a Cherry Creek North office building to Vail Resorts’ offices at the Interlocken business park in Broomfield.

“Ken and Tom Gart have been terrific partners with our company for over 12 years and have been largely responsible for the incredible growth and performance of Specialty Sports Venture over that time period,” said Rob Katz, chairman and chief executive officer of Vail Resorts.

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The Adams County Sheriff Department admits it made a mistake and allowed a jail inmate to go free rather than turning him over to the Department of Corrections.

Juan Flores was let out of the Adams County Jail on April 15 because “the paperwork was read incorrectly,” Sgt. Paul Gregory, Sheriff Department spokesman told The Denver Post on Thursday.

“Frankly, the sheriff’s office made a mistake and we are not trying to hide that,” he said.

The incident was first reported by 7News.

Flores was charged in Montrose in 2006 of assault with a deadly weapon and felony menacing, according to Colorado Bureau of Investigation records.

The Montrose Daily Press reported Flores stabbed his girlfriend’s 15-yerar-old son in the chest after an argument.

He was taken into custody for a parole violation in 2011, according to CBI records.

He was arrested in December 2012 for DUI and then again in January 2013 for assault, according to CBI records.

Flores’ criminal past dates back to 1983.

Multiple agencies are actively looking for Flores, Gregory said Thursday night.

This story will be updated as more information becomes available.

Denver Post staff reporter John Ingold contributed to this report.

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Portia Griggs wandered into the Martin Luther King Jr. Library in Aurora for the first time Feb. 4 with her daughter, Kalayah, 5.

Kalayah clutched a small bag of protein-rich snacks while Griggs steered her toward a room in the back of the library. Inside, a handful of kids gathered around a table and held brown paper lunch bags, trying to determine what kind of fruit or vegetable was inside.

The girl skipped up to the table where Katie Wilson, a dietician with Women, Infants and Children food and nutrition service was hosting the guessing game.

“She did really well,” Griggs said of her daughter’s ability to decode the shape and smell of an apple, green pepper, potato, pear and a tomato.

“She had to peek a little, but I think she got a lot out of it.”

The station was one of three healthy eating stops during WIC‘s “The Science of Food” seminar, which was the third installment of the Tri-County health program’s free nutrition classes at the library at 9898 E. Colfax Ave.

Marie Addleman, youth services coordinator at MLK, said the WIC classes began last year during a concerted push by the library to promote food health and food education along with a new, free afterschool snack program for area students.

“It was a natural partnership that coincided with our daily snack program that we started with Food Bank of the Rockies last year,” Addleman said.

The snack program began in September as an independent extension of Lunch Box Express, a local program that provides lunches to students during the summer.

“We fed 2,771 kids from June to August,” said Betsy Baxendale, North Region library coordinator in Aurora. “But after that ended our staff became concerned about the kids who don’t have access to supplementary (food) services.”

Baxendale found that an average 92 percent of students who go to school in the area are on free or reduced lunch.

“Most of these kids have parents who work two or three jobs and aren’t home to fix a snack after school,” Baxendale said. “Sometimes, they actually don’t have the food to make a snack.”

The Food Bank of the Rockies packages hundreds of bags of snacks with things like cans of chicken or tuna salad, peanut butter and hummus tubes, single serve vegetable cups, nuts, raisins and milk that officials in the library hand out to students who line up between 3:30-4:30 p.m. Tuesday through Friday, and from noon-1 p.m. Saturdays.

Baxendale said more than 7,000 snack packs were given out between September and Dec. 31 of last year. In January, more than 1,500 were distributed to kids ages 0-18.

There’s also a share box component to the program where kids can toss their unwanted items into the box and pick out something else that they’d prefer.

All leftover bags or rejected snack items are donated to nonprofit groups like Aurora Warms the Night and Friends of St. Andrews, Baxendale said.

“This goes beyond the kids and into the community,” she said. “We are a necessary link in the civic and educational ecosystem of this community. It’s been a wonderfully successful program.”

As the nutrition seminar wrapped up Feb. 4, Kalayah and Griggs headed toward the door with Kalayah’s snack pack and a wealth of new information on meal planning and food choices.

“This was great,” Griggs said. “I definitely think we’re going to change some things at the table at home. No more white bread, that’s for sure.”

As they left, Addleman yelled after them: “Come back and see us sometime. We have free food here every day!”

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PROVO — Texas coach Mack Brown is impressed with BYU's toughness, and he's expecting a physical battle when the Longhorns and Cougars collide on Saturday.

"So this will be like an old-fashioned street fight," Brown said. "It'll be very physical. We've been concerned about how tough we were in both lines of scrimmage the last couple years. This game will be about the lines of scrimmage. It's going to be about who's the toughest. It's a great test for us before we get ready to go to UCLA for a very similar game and then get ready for conference play."

BYU, which is coming off a physical game in its win at Ole Miss, is expecting another smash-mouth showdown in Austin.

"Their offensive line isn't as big as Ole Miss, but I think they're going to be quicker," said linebacker Jordan Pendleton. "It's going to be physical."

Brown described BYU coach Bronco Mendenhall as "a tough, defensive football coach and they have a tough team."

The Texas coach also had high praise for the Cougars' offensive line.

"You talk about their offense, it's very physical," he said. "You look at their offensive line, there's two juniors and two seniors on it that are 6'6", 300, 310, 322 and 330 (lbs.), and they are very, very physical."

Longhorn offensive lineman Tray Allen is looking forward to this matchup with the Cougars.

"I'm ready to have all the blue marks and the paint chipping off of my helmet," he said. "A physical game. Getting back to the physical running game that Texas is known for, and establishing our identity this year, and we're having fun with it."

BROWN AND MENDENHALL: Through their involvement with Nike, Brown and Mendenhall have become friends over the years.

"We are facing another really good coach in Mack Brown. I think he is one of the leaders in college football and he is one of the most successful coaches in college football," Mendenhall said. "I have a lot of respect and I have a friendship with coach Brown and I'm looking forward to seeing him and playing in a great venue."

Mendenhall added that Brown serves as a mentor to him and other young coaches.

"In terms of active coaching and where most of us go to get advice, Mack is one of those resources," Brown said. "He's a really, really good man."

Brown respects Mendenhall, too. "Bronco Mendenhall is one of the great true young coaches that's out there," he said. "He's a young man that I like."

INJURY UPDATE: Freshman offensive lineman Ryker Mathews is out for the season with a foot injury and is scheduled to undergo surgery Thursday.

THE HISTORY: BYU has played Texas twice — and the Cougars won both matchups. BYU defeated the Longhorns in Austin, 22-17, in 1987, then won in 1988 in Provo, 47-6.

Mendenhall faced Texas as a player at Oregon State in 1987. Two weeks after the Cougars downed the Longhorns, Texas destroyed the Beavers, 61-16.

BYU VS. AQS: Including last week's victory over Ole Miss, BYU has beaten a team from a BCS automatic-qualifying conference six consecutive seasons — the third-longest streak in the nation.

The Cougars have defeated at least one AQ opponent in 15 of the last 16 seasons, dating back to 1996.


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That was a testament to the fact that Skyline is not going to roll over and go down easy. —Bountiful coach Lou Plank

DRAPER — It was the Bountiful offense that scored the only goal of the game in the 4A semifinal matchup against Skyline.

But it was the Braves' defense that really saved the day.

The top seed out of Region 6 withstood a surging Skyline offense in the final 10 minutes to defeat the Eagles, 1-0, in the state tournament game at Juan Diego Catholic High School on Tuesday evening.

"That was a testament to the fact that Skyline is not going to roll over and go down easy," Bountiful coach Lou Plank said. "It was a nail-biter right there at the end."

Jenny Skedros scored the Braves' goal in the 17th minute of the game. She sent the ball to the right corner of the net, and Skyline goalkeeper Alli Spencer was there to save it. However, in the pouring rain, the wet ball spun out of Spencer's hands, hit the post, and rolled into the goal before she could recover.

"Our goal was a bobbled ball and we got lucky on that," Plank said, adding that it was nice to avenge the Braves' shootout loss to the Eagles in last year's quarterfinals.

"Ever since that loss to Skyline last year in the quarterfinals, we felt that was something that shouldn't have happened. We felt we owned that match and then right at the end we let it slip through our fingers — which nearly happened here."

After controlling the time of possession throughout the game, the Braves relented slightly at the end. Skyline controlled the tempo of the contest for the final 10 minutes, and nearly scored on multiple occasions.

"We call that the 'Charity Special,' " Plank joked, referring to goalkeeper Charity Cole's desperate save when she bobbled the ball and caught it between her ankles at the last second. "I would like to say she practiced that. We have to credit Skyline for giving a big push there at the end when we were getting a little tired."

Midway through the first half, Bountiful senior Kennedy Merrick left the game with an injury and didn't return for the rest of the contest. Plank was disappointed to lose his second-leading scorer but, at the same time, was pleased with how his team filled in when she went to the sideline.

"Kennedy is an amazing player and it breaks my heart to see her go out in the tournament. I hope we'll have here for Rio Tinto for the finals," he said. "But this is a team with no stars. It's a team with a lot of cogs that mesh really, really well together. That's one of the nice things about this team, the diversity of skill. We pull a player out, we plug another one in a different part of our system and we don't drop off."

The Braves will need that team system when they meet Bonneville in the championship match on Friday. The Lakers defeated Woods Cross, 3-1, in Tuesday's other 4A semifinal, but it will be the first time they match up with Bountiful this season.

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Friday's games

At Jordan High School

3A semifinals

Wasatch vs. Snow Canyon, 11 a.m.

Park City vs. Ogden, 1:15 p.m.

2A semifinals

Maeser Prep vs. Waterford, 3:45 p.m.

St. Joseph vs. Manti, 6 p.m.

At Rio Tinto Stadium

5A championship

Viewmont vs. Alta, 4:30 p.m.

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NEW YORK — Chipotle's coming price hikes could hit steak lovers particularly hard.

The Mexican food chain said earlier this month that it plans to start charging more for its burritos, bowls and tacos in coming weeks as it faces rising costs for ingredients. On Tuesday, Chief Financial Officer Jack Hartung noted that the chain doesn't currently charge a whole lot more for its steak filling, even though beef costs have climbed considerably.

"There's a very narrow gap between our steak burrito and our chicken burrito. We're going to widen that," Hartung said at the Barclays Retail and Consumer Discretionary Conference in New York City. "We're going to allow our customers to choose whether they want to pay the higher price of steak."

Hartung also said the price hike would be more like 4 percent to 6 percent, or 32 cents to 48 cents, assuming the cost of a burrito is $8. In the past, executives had said they were considering a hike of 3 percent to 5 percent, or 24 cents to 40 cents. Chipotle says it will be the first national price hike in three years.

He did not specify how much more prices would rise for steak than for chicken.

Fast-food and restaurant chains are facing rising costs for beef, given the reductions in U.S. cattle inventory in recent years. In April, Hartung said Chipotle's beef prices were up 25 percent compared with the prices it was paying in the fourth quarter of last year.

Chipotle, which has more than 1,600 locations, isn't the only one encouraging customers to switch to chicken as the cost of beef climbs. Burger King's head of North American operations, Alex Macedo, has also noted that the chain has been able to maintain its profitability in part by marketing chicken items more aggressively.

This week, Miami-based Burger King is bringing back its popular "Subservient Chicken" advertising campaign from a decade ago to promote a chicken version of its Big King sandwich.

Even if Chipotle Mexican Grill's higher prices for steak push customers to trade down to chicken or other options, Hartung noted that those alternatives are more profitable for the company because the ingredients don't cost as much.

Exactly how much of a price increase customers see at Chipotle in coming weeks will depend on where they live. The company has said the price hike should be in place by this summer.

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Under President Obama, have race relations improved?

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    I am the one blinded? Sorry but virtually every American pays taxes? See we have local taxes, state taxes, FICA, sales tax, all kinds of taxes. As a percent of their total wealth poor and middle class people pay more in total taxes than do rich people. I know there are many on this board that don't like to talk about that. Believing that the ultra wealthy could pay a little more in taxes doesn't constitute class warfare, sorry. The class warfare argument is made by republicans to justify their desire to continue lowering taxes for the wealthy.

    For your information I did not vote for Mr. Obama last time, and I probably won't vote for him this time, so I really don't think I am blinded by him. I prefer to look and decide for myself. I don't automatically hit R or D. Oh by the way I don't have any problem with people who have accumulated wealth honestly, I applaud them.

    The job creator argument for the ultra wealthy doesn't wash unless you are talking about jobs created in China. Small businesses create most of the jobs in this country.

  • AmberDru Xenia, OH
    Aug. 1, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    No, they are worse. I never would have believed that the U.S. attorney general would refuse to prosecute a race based hate group- the black panthers-smacking a night stick in front of a polling place if I hadn't seen it myself.

    Then the president decides that existing laws should not apply to large classes illegal aliens- mostly Hispanic; hurting legal Hispanics, blacks and all Americans.

    His race and ethnic based preferences have hurt the country.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 1, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    Salt Lake City, Utah,

    Your bitter class warfare against the rich is glowing. Who do you think pays the most taxes, and create the jobs? You've been brainwashed by Obama.

    This is like a failing student complaining of someone on the honor roll. It's not fair.

    Remember, half the people don't pay any income taxes, and they're the one complaining.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2012 7:22 a.m.

    Lost in DC,

    The Occupy movement was not about class warfare and looking for a handout. The occupy movement was about the need to regulate Wall Street so that managers of big banks couldn't play fast and free with our money and make risky investments to try and increase their bonuses. It was about shining light on the unethical and immoral, but technically legal practices of many of the big operators on Wall Street. Did some people hijack the movement and make it look bad, sure. Did the Fox News Channel find those who wanted their 30 seconds of fame that were protesting for the sake of protest, and put them on tv, sure.

    In terms of the Bush tax cuts I agree, they were the first republican tax cuts in the last thirty years that did anything for the middle and lower class. To be honest you must include the massive Reagan tax cuts for the wealthy. In thirty years CEO salary has gone up over 400% and the average worker today adjusted for inflation is about even. If class warfare will get me a 400% increase in my salary over 30 years declare it on me right now.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 31, 2012 1:36 p.m.

    Salt Lake City, Utah,

    You don't think class warfare exist?

    Just read some of the posts in the DN.

    A? You didn't build that! You think you're smart? You worked hard? Let me tell you, there's alot of smart people who work hard.

    Those bitter words of anger didn't come from Shawn, Rush or Glen. Nope! Obama himself.

    Since when does a leader assume success as arrogant, then criticize them for it?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 31, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    Rich people pay eighty percent of income taxes, while the lower half pays nothing.

    Obama has accused the rich of not paying their fair share. They didn't build their businesses, they think they're smart, and worked hard. They've accomplished on the backs of others.

    This is not unifying comments and strains relations between people.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 31, 2012 6:54 a.m.

    I have not listened to rush, glen, or shawn in a loooooong time.

    I took BO at his word when he proclaimed he was a class warrior. It appears you do not believe him. just google it.

    BO has supported and encouraged the occupy movement, which is based on class envy and warfare.

    please lets have an intellectual discussion by not ignoring BO's quotes when they do not support your assertion that he has not encouraged class warfare.

    the tax rates paid by the upper class have nothing to do with whether BO encourages class warfare or not. It is BECAUSE of those tax rates that he encourages class warfare.

    the bush tax cuts reduced lower income tax rates MUCH more than upper tax rates. the lowest rates were reduced 500 bp while the upper were reduced only 460 bp. child tax credit doubled for lower - upper cannot take it. On a dollar basis, sure, the upper saw their taxes reduced more, but on a percentage basis, the lower saw more. I would suggest that $3500 is a bigger deal to a $50k/year family of 4 than $23,000 is to a $500k family of 4.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 30, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    To win votes, he'd set one group against another. Even give money to Israel hoping to win a few Jewish votes, or increase food stamps and welfare to attract some minorities.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 30, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    Lost in DC,

    Class warfare is a figment of Rush, Shawn Glen and all their minions imagination. It really is amusing to listen to rich people complain about being picked on when in the last thirty years their taxes have gone down by over 20% and they have deductions everywhere to drive down the rate even further. In the last three years, the upper 5% of wage earners in America have seen their salaries increase by an average of over 20% while the rest of America has seen no wage increase, and we are picking on the wealthy? If there is any class warfare it is against the middle class as the wealthy continue to ship jobs overseas to third world countries. Why do they go to third world countries, no regulations and hourly salary of a couple of dollars and hour with no benefits and no overtime.

    Please lets have intellectual discussions about facts, remembering that Shawn, Rush and Glen mix in a few facts with lots of propaganda.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    July 30, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    Knowing that President Obama contributed to the racial claims behind the Secretary of Agriculture issue (she was black) and the killing of a (black) boy by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman suggests to me that the fact President Obama is president has not directly influenced racial relations positively in the U.S.

    My expectation of a President would be to allow the lesser folks do their jobs and allow due process to take place, without the immediate "knee-jerk" racial reactions. This President also declared race would not be an issue in his presidential campaign, but then used his race when it was to an advantage.

    So no, I don't believe our current president has made a positive impact on racial relations; in fact, he has likely contributed to racial tensions.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    July 30, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Shortly after the election in 2008 meant the House, Senate and Presidential Executives would be in control of almost all forms of government, except marginally, the Supreme Court. The Republicans were then able to mobilize people to the movement in 2010 when the Democrats lost the House after forcing on the American people the Affordable Healthcare Act when some in the House would lose their seats by their actions. The Democrats are fearing that the mobilization will move toward the Senate and the Presidential office and control by the Republicans of the Executive offices, again. The President has some responsibility in the loss in the House, and he knows it. The House is the most fragile of Legislative offices as the position is 2 years at a time and boundaries are moved when the Census impact is felt. It is a refreshing time when that happens as Representatives have to be on the lookout and protection of their constituents as demographics change, even for the Speaker of the House with all that power. This President didn't have the 9/11/2001 incident to work out and thwarts every action taken by President Bush to overcome the bias that brought.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 30, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    The letter is wrong. Race relationships have worsened. The relationship between blacks and whites is getting worse because they have been taught by the media and many of their churches that if you disagree with Obama and his policies you are a racist. As a whole, whites are less racist now than ever before, while blacks are more racist than ever. If you want to fix racism, you have to shut off the new media programs that worship Obama, and turn off the preachers who teach racism.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    July 30, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    UtahBlueDevil: Just for the sake of accuracy Rush Limbaugh said that one particular black qb was not that good, and that he was only being pushed as great because of a bias of the liberal media. For those that seek to see racism, they usually find it, but amazing do not recognize it in themselves. Mr. Obama has hurt race relations in the country because of his lack of understanding of economy. Structured economies tend to maintain the status quo, the rich stay rich, the poor and the middle class ever more dependent on the largess of government. It hurts and those that get hurt most are often minorities. Then the panders provide an easy answer to there problems, bigotry and racism, rather than growing the economy and providing opportunity for more citizens of all races.

  • Wyominguy Buffalo, WY
    July 30, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    Lets first be clear; President Obama is not the first black President, he is the first mixed race President. Being a product of the racially charged South of the late 40's through the 60's I lived within a racial culture, and looking back we have made Huge progress. There were "colored" and "white" drinking fountains in public buildings, "colored restrooms, black men walked with their eyes directed at the ground for fear of being accused of staring at white women, there were " colored" beaches, and of course "colored" schools and the blacks to the back of the public bus rules. As a 12 year old I was addressed as "Mr. Robert" by my friends black maid. Has President Obama continued that progress, my feeling is that he has not, instead he has fostered an "us against them" attitude making racial acceptance more difficult. Just because a man of color was elected does not change a thing, it simply shows people vote for the perception of leadership, a quality Mr. Obama has proven Not to have.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 30, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    Have they become worse.... absolutely. Not because of what Obama has done as his actions haven't been all that different than any other white male elected official. But it is because there are those offended that a black man is their leader. People of color were told they were not smart enough to serve in the military. Colin Powell proved that wrong. Blacks were told they were not capable to compete athletically with whites - that has been proven wrong many times over. Rush said a black man was not smart enough to be a quarterback - the only reason we had black quarterbacks was quotas. That wasn't all that long ago. Limbaugh was fired for those statements. Blacks were told that they weren't smart enough to lead in many industries, and yet they have. But were exceptions in some minds.

    But President of the United States of America.... that is more than many can deal with. My grandparents feared the day blacks lived in their neighborhood. Now, Blacks get to attend in our temples, and hold high office. More than many can take. Lets call this for what it really is.

    Obama perfect... no. No politician is.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 30, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Larry, Fred,
    you DENY BO is engaged in class warfare? I guess you missed it when he stood up and proudly proclaimed he is a class warrior.

    BO has been moderate by NO measure. he rammed through a healthcare bill the majority of us rejected, he is ending the war in Iraq on the timetable BUSH set, - BO tried to negotiate to STAY LONGER! He has presided over a low tax rate environment because he cannot get congress to go along with his tax increases. But Wait! Obamacare IS a MASSIVE tax increase. I think your perception that the right is further right is distorted by the fact that BO is so far left.

    no war on religion? Only if you do not recognize catholicism as religion. Obamacare and HHS trump the 1st amendment rights guaranteeing the free exercise of religion. Even the extremely liberal NYT times opines that BO is overstepping his bounds and attacking the free exercise of religion. THE NYT!!!!

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 30, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    I think this President has brought the prejudices this country still has to the surface. When you look at the GOP you see a party dominated by white, upper income males. Yes, they have women, blacks and hispanics in the party but they are a small majority. Shortly after the election, the GOP informally discussed how they planned to obstruct this President in any way possible and make him a one term President. Some question if that was because of his race more so than policies. Minorities continue to be the growing segment of the American society and Obama's presidency brought visibilty to this trend. As the gap between rich and poor and our minority population continues to grow more ethnic leaders like Obama will rise up and lead our country. Leaders in appearance like John McCain and Mitt Romney will decrease and I expect a large number of whites will not cede power quietly. The term "race relations" will become discussed and argued a lot in the future.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    July 30, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    Dividing by race or whatever is not the issue that needs addressing. The real issue is what affects all Americans. The President standing up and saying the election is about anything other than the economy is a bob and weave to avoid the misery sweeping the United States. The economy and how it is being handled is all that matters.

    President Obama has not sat down and talked to regular Americans or even met with his economic leaders.

    What has resulted is single mothers fighting to feed their childern while trying to find even a part-time job. A father with children standing in line begging for a place to sleep for his kids and to find food for them with no government benefits available to him based on gender is the Obama legacy.

    Why do you think Obama flies into Los Angeles and then avoids LA proper by tying up traffic going up the 405 to his rich fundraisers homes. He doesn't head over to the 110 freeway and exit at 8th street to go over to the Salvation Army Center. He is afraid a camera will see the results of his failed policy! Hungry Families and Children!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    July 30, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    This President had the golden opportunity to demonstrate real racial equality to all people in this world. Instead, for 20 years before becoming President he established his likes and dislikes through his minister of racial thoughts and methods. The President has sort of divorced that relationship, somewhat, to show he is more moderate but his dislikes are deeep seated. You cannot get rid of those thoughts by stating let it be done. A person lives those thoughts through actions, even community actions which can be devisive to a community and nation. The President even goes around the world telling those peolple we have not been a bad nation, even though our country doesn't advance war except for self-preservation of our country. Military strength is needed with racial equality and that is a challenge in this kind of Presidency we have had. He could have been a legacy for racial equality but will not be remembered as a person that was hand given the Nobel Peace Prize at the beginning of his Presidency. Even then, people thought he would bring more peace from prosperity but instead has brought our national interests to weakness and a fragile world that needs boosting.

  • Ross Madison, AL
    July 30, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    Obama has proved to be a divider not a healer so if anything all relationships are worse. Race problems have a great element of self-inflictedness. Each of us can love our fellow man regardless of race and offer the upper hand of acceptance, but it is up to those entrapped in mental slavery by some of their own people to step out and let their actions in life do their talking for them. Blacks who prey on blacks and keep them in mental slavery for money, should be pointed out and exposed for what they are doing to hold them back. Any honest leader can help shed light on this problem, we have many people in this country suffering through mental slavery.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 30, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    What war on religion? Class warfare, give me a break that is a fabrication of the far right. The most divisive President ever, based on what other than what Rush Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity say.

    I don't necessarily agree with the Presidents policies but the personal attacks on this President have far exceeded anything any other President has been subject to. Is that because of race or simply politics? I tend to believe a little bit of both. I thought this country had come a long way when it comes to race, but I am beginning to wonder if we have come as far as I thought.

    The respect for the office has really disappeared in the last three years. Argue with his policies fine, but this is a good family man who is trying to do what he thinks is best for the country and as the President deserves more respect than he has been given.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 30, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    Peter and Mountanman couldn't be more wrong! President Obama has been moderate by almost any measure. He has continued to wind down Bush's wars, he has adopted an idea for healthcare based on the conservative Heritage Foundation's principles, and has presided over a federal government that has levied taxes at the lowest rate in recent memory.
    What has changed is the conservative segment of the American electorate. Republicans are moving to the right so fast that they have had to reject principles they embraced 5 or 10 years ago. When so many people move out of the mainstream its hard to get anything done.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 30, 2012 7:26 a.m.

    Obama’s war on religion, class warfare and war on men have divided this nation by class, income, and gender more than any time in our history! Under Obama’s leadership, we have become a house divided against in more areas than just race and those divisions are growing!

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    July 30, 2012 7:14 a.m.

    Obama could have done something to improve relations had he tried but like most things that he does it has gone against the country.Everything he touches turns out for the worse. His goal is not to improve anything but to tear down to further socialism and communism. He panders to the Blacks, Hispanics,Muslims etc. "They in turn look the other way and vote for him in droves. These groups are showing us all that racism is alive and well.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 30, 2012 6:55 a.m.

    The topic of race relations is very subjective, but we can slowly see relations improving by one very objective measure. The rate of racial intermarriage continues to increase in the United States. Now 8.4% of marriages are interracial, and the numbers show a steady increase since the 1970's, after the Supreme Court struck down race based marriage laws in 1967.
    Obama's election is just one more step forward in America's drive towards racial equality.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    July 30, 2012 6:18 a.m.

    AP poses a good question. Obama is one of the most divisive presidents America has lived under, not only racially, but economically, morally, etc. And I have to ask, has anything improved under obama?


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My View: Preparing for a financial earthquake

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  • Independent Thinker West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 22, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    Utah's Legislative website doesn't list a "Fiscal Sustainability Legislative Task Force".

    I'd like to know more about it, because some of the proposed bills emerging from this "Financial Ready Utah" group are not exactly taxpayer friendly, but are being overwhelmingly supported by so-called fiscally responsible legislators.

    The thinking seems to be that one way to become financially ready for federal cutbacks is to make sure cities can take more than they currently do from the average taxpayer to keep in reserve accounts. Never mind that finagling with reserve accounts is common in many cities.

    Thanks, but I'd rather keep my own money in my own reserve accounts for my own emergencies.


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Utes basketball: Utah loses heartbreaker to Drexel in WNIT title game

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  • jazz4ever San Mateo, CA
    April 8, 2013 12:53 a.m.

    Nice run. You should all be proud regardless of the final loss. 5 Road wins in tournament knock-out format is not a easy task and you did it! Good luck next year.

    April 7, 2013 11:24 p.m.

    Hey Baby, it was at Drexel's home court. The WNIT doesn't have neutral locations or specific seeding, teams put in bids to play at home, and Drexel put in a good enough bid to play at home throughout the tourney, and Utah did not. Still doesn't take away from their accomplishment in winning it, but that close of a game with the Utes that far away from home, you can't say it wasn't a factor.

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    April 7, 2013 7:02 p.m.

    Who Am I Sir...I am not sure if anyone has won a tournament with a full blown road schedule...and then with the final game in Philadelphia....at basically Drexel's home court???

    Hey...they did good...guess i wont sweat the details...

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    April 7, 2013 6:16 p.m.

    Great job and made the State of Utah proud. Congrat on a great tourney

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 7, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    Great effort ladies. Keep your heads up!

    April 7, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    A one point lead with about 30 seconds to go, then they proceed to turn the ball over twice in a row. Had the game in the bag and then they handed the bag right to the Dragons. Too bad they worked hard.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    April 7, 2013 6:01 a.m.

    It was an amazing run by the Lady Utes! I watched them play and like the BYU men's team, they fought to the very end but came up just short. It was a great effort by both schools in the NIT this year though, and we are all proud of that.

    So congratulations on a great job, Lady Utes!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 6, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    In the end, they just couldn't do it! The NIT won. It proved just to difficult to win the fifth road game out of the six. Has ANY team won 5 road games (played on the opponent's home court) in any post season tournament? So close, Lady Utes! So proud!