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In today’s edition of shocking research that confirms what we already know, some people use rabid homophobia to hide or camouflage feelings that make them feel confused and ashamed due to a misguided upbringing.

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  1. 1
    FedSec says:

    Wow. Dog bites man in medical research.

  2. 2
    schrodinger's cat says:

    Sorry this OT, I just posted it in one of the dead open threads. I am reposting this.

    I need the wisdom of the hive mind. Is anyone in the esteemed BJ commenteriat a cardiologist. I have a few questions.
    Some background, my father-in-law had a massive heart attack a week and a half ago, in India. As luck would have it my husband was in India for a visit. Any way long story short the FIL is now stable but still not out of the ICU, since his lungs still have fluid in them. Another angioplasty seems to be needed but apparently it is high risk, so they are going for a second opinion. My husband is thinking of extending his stay and I have no idea what the hell is going on. I know a cardiac nurse had answered my comment when I had written about this before.

    Also too, I am anxious because this is my mother-in-law .

  3. 3
    danielx says:

    Gosh, there’s a shock. In other breaking news, the Mojave Desert receives very little precipitation.

  4. 4
    Culture of Truth says:

    “Individuals who identify as straight but in psychological tests show a strong attraction to the same sex”

    Q: so you’re straight?

    Guy: oh yeah totally

    Q: look at these inkblots

    Guy: why do you keep showing me pictures of a naked Brad Pitt

  5. 5
    daveNYC says:

    A second experiment, in which subjects were free to browse same-sex or opposite-sex photos, provided an additional measure of implicit sexual attraction.

    That’s got to be a wierd section of the test. Like they just put the subjects in front of a computer and tell them to surf up some porn.

    Otherwise I’m totally shocked that there is gambling in this establishment.

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  7. 7
    Luthe says:

    That article was just restating the obvious. The article on the Donald claiming he has a “very very impressive” penis on the other hand was hilarious (and probably hilariously inaccurate).

  8. 8
    MattF says:

    Yeah, well. Think of the human subconscious as a whorehouse, and the conscious mind as the piano player who doesn’t know what’s going on upstairs.

  9. 9
    amk says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: what was the question ? I am in Chennai and can help, if you/your husband needs it.

  10. 10
    crazy c says:

    @MattF: I might have to steal that analogy

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  12. 12
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @amk: Thanks, He is in Bombay, he has all the help he needs. Most of the extended family lives in Bombay. It is me who needs some more information of what is going on, medically speaking I mean.

    ETA: I am in Massachusetts and have only a sketchy idea of what is going on.

  13. 13
    JustMe says:

    I think it’s more general than that– people who are homophobic have generally been raised with a whole host of things they’re trying to suppress in themselves: personal ambitions, preferences, interests that they were restricted from pursuing in an authoritarian upbringing or put aside out of “obligation,” and they resent everyone who most obviously isn’t doing that.

  14. 14
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Scratch a homophobe, find a closeted wanker.

  15. 15
    amk says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Well, my daughter just graduated out of med school just 3 days back. No, not a joke. If you want, I can ask her.

  16. 16
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @amk: Are you Tamil btw? That’s what my husband’s family is.

  17. 17
    300baud says:

    I’m entirely in favor of them proving stuff like this. Because not all of us know it. Consider this comment from the article: “I’m sure you could also argue that opposition to Nazism hides a latent tendency toward Nazism. This is nothing more than Freudian BS.”

    As far as I’m concerned, it’s all part of the Secret Liberal Plan:. 1) Keep using science to discover actual facts. 2) Make them public, forcing Republican loons to make denying yet another part of reality an article of faith. 3) Politely welcome in the sane people, like John, who can’t take the madness any more. 4) Let the rest of them retreat to walled reservations in Arizona.

    Also related, an actual Christian notices the contradiction between what Jesus said and hating everybody all the time:

  18. 18
    amk says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Yes, I am.

    Your husband’s family is in Tamilnadu, where Tamil is spoken ?

  19. 19
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @amk: No they are in Bombay, and yes they do speak Tamil. They are Palghat Aiyars (sp?)

  20. 20
    SectarianSofa says:

    @Culture of Truth:

    I totally read that as “look at these knobs”. Comments are inkblots.

  21. 21
    amk says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Palghat Aiyars it is.

  22. 22
    Beenthere says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Being a heart patient myself, several things come to mind:

    If he just had a heart attack, it takes awhile for the scar tissue to develop. Before that, its possible for the heart wall to give way. They might be thinking of waiting.

    Also, an angioplasty does block the artery for a little bit, when they inflate the little balloon. What happens is the little balloon presses the plaque against the side of the artery wall and then a stent keeps it in place. So if some of his arteries are already permamently out of commission, he doesn’t have a lot of arteries to spare and the lack of oxygen to the heart for those few moments might cause some more damage.

    It’s conceivable that they might go to open heart surgery instead, as they wouldn’t have the problem of having to block an artery while the heart is beating. Of course, that has it’s own problems though.

    Mind you, I’m not a medical person, this is just what I understand from my own experience. If it’s any comfort to you, I had a “massive” (or so I was told) heart attack about 15 years ago and I’m still toddling along.

    (Long-time lurker – just unlurked for this.)

  23. 23
    SectarianSofa says:

    Re: Feel the gay, I mean flee the gay!
    I was under the impression that some sort of research has indicated this for at least the last 20 years. Is this better than that was, or was I misinformed, or is this just fun research to replicate? Heh, heh. I mean, it would amuse the hell out of me.

  24. 24
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @amk: I want to know what the pros and cons are against getting the second angioplasty. When I call India, everyone talks in euphemisms, it is difficult to figure out WTH is really going on. If they are going to do it, anyways then what are the ramifications of waiting.
    One day they tell me he is OK, then they say he is not improving, could improve if he has the second angioplasty but it is risky and now they want a second opinion.

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    El Cid says:

    I think the syndrome can be extended: anyone loudly, repeatedly, publicly declaiming others for their lack of prurient sexual mores is engaged in some deviant sexual pursuit of their own.

    This is confirmed with nearly every public leader imaginable, and, of course, a frighteningly high percentage of Catholic priests.

  26. 26
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @El Cid: David Vitter and every other Republican caught in a sex scandal.

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    Karl says:

    Nice showcase of the worst in experimental psychology. Seriously, subliminal image personality tests? And then asserting without proof that it’s a test for the gay? investigator bias much?

    And sure they find 3 – 4 tests that give similar results. When your tests are anything you can imagine, finding 3 that give you the answer you want isn’t hard.

    All the results say is people reacted differently to the tests given. Although I don’t have the original study to see if the statistics are fishy too.

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    Roger Moore says:

    I’m entirely in favor of them proving stuff like this.

    Yes, you really have to prove the (apparently) obvious stuff, and for two reasons:

    1) As you point out, it’s not obvious to everyone. Having some actual facts and studies and stuff on your side can be helpful in convincing people.

    2) Not everything that’s obviously true actually is true. What we call common sense is often just ingrained prejudice, and we have a tendency to present things as obviously true as a way of avoiding testing those prejudices. The most exciting discoveries in science are ones that overturn false and long-held assumptions about the world.

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    c u n d gulag says:

    This is NEWS?

    What’s next – “Sun rises in East, sets in West?”

  30. 30
    rikyrah says:

    ALWAYS give the side eye to rabid homophobes….always waiting for their closet to be revealed

  31. 31
    Cromagnon says:

    I see that Sully is going to have racist pseudo-scientist Charles Murray this week on his blog… Continuing I suppose Sully’s weirdly creepy obsession with racial IQ ‘science’

  32. 32
    beergoggles says:

    @SectarianSofa: The most frequently quoted study is from about 1996. Katie Goodman sang about the previous study.

  33. 33
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Cromagnon: I saw him on Colbert, he is quite loathsome. Murray, I mean.

  34. 34
    jibeaux says:

    Marcus Bachmann wants you to know that this is totally not true, and purchasing sunglasses for a dog is something that many of his very straight male friends also do.

  35. 35
    Beenthere says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Sorry if this is unneeded, but I just posted a reply to your heart question up-thread. It was in moderation for a bit so I wasn’t sure if you would notice it.

    (Back to lurking)

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    amk says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Daughter says second angioplasty is generally not a good prognosis for the patient, especially old ones. Sorry.

  37. 37
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Beenthere: Thanks so much for sharing your experience. He had the first angioplasty about ten days ago. His blood pressure is still low and they are pumping adrenalin into him. His kidneys were not functioning initially and he had to be on dialysis and was on the ventilator. Since the last 5 days or so he is off the ventilator and dialysis but still in the ICU and they are considering a second angioplasty but waiting for a second opinion.

  38. 38
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @amk: He is 70 and has been healthy otherwise, no diabetes either. Well I asked for the unvarnished truth and you gave it to me. Thanks.

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    Beenthere says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Another factor then is the fact that the dye they use for angiograms/angioplasty can be hard on the kidneys.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Ugh. I know nothing about heart patients, but I feel your pain with the being thousands of miles away with a relative in the hospital thing. My father-in-law was admitted to the hospital in Chicago yesterday with a mystery infection and high fever and we’re trying to figure out what the hell is going on from Los Angeles.

    At least it’s only a distance of 1800 miles and two time zones for us. I’ve had a little experience trying to communicate with India from the West Coast and it’s incredibly awkward since we’re exactly 12 hours apart and someone on either end is always exhausted.

    It also helps that my MIL actually likes me. I think she was starting to worry that her son was going to die alone, so anyone without a prison record was going to be welcomed with open arms. :-)

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    El Cid says:

    @Cromagnon: It just proves how bold and daring Andrew Sullivan is for still being willing to be white and English.

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    shortstop says:

    I always hesitate to go for the closet-case explanation because it’s a pretty blithe reaction to the unfortunately fairly widespread phenomenon of homophobia. That is to say, there are obviously plenty of folks who tamp down their own attractions with outward-focused hatred, but there are lots of others whose bigotry seems to come from a more complex mix of factors, including upbringing, lack of education, insular surroundings, oppressive religious teachings, authoritarian bent, blah blah blah.

    I refuse to admit Santorum’s screaming bias has complicated or nuanced roots, though. That man is just way too obsessed with other guys’ junk to be anything but a gay man in deep denial. He wants a man, and he wants one baaaaaad. Damn, I’m beyond sick of Republicans using the national political stage as a venue for working out their social and personal issues and stomping on other people’s freedom and dignity in the process.

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    SectarianSofa says:

    Thanks…. Heh.

    I don’t always hesitate to go for the easy explanation there, but I think it’s probably the most reasonable thing to do. On the other hand, as you’ve said, Santorum, etc., and the expanding list of moral do-gooders getting done/doing the objects of their hate fetish…. Oh well, there I go conflating things already.
    Easy targets are easy.

  44. 44
    SectarianSofa says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Good luck. Sorry to hear about the difficult situation — I hope things get better.

  45. 45
    Cermet says:

    @300baud: Hey BJ’ers, our first gay nazi …

  46. 46
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @SectarianSofa: Thanks! Talking to BJ commenters certainly helped. I can deal with bad news but what is worse is the not knowing and the uncertainty.

  47. 47
    schrodinger's cat says:

    @Mnemosyne: Thanks Mnem! I see you saw the mother-in-law kitteh. I love that lol, the expression on the kitteh’s face is priceless.

  48. 48
    Sloegin says:

    Gosh, I wonder if water is still wet.

  49. 49
    HT says:

    I recently discovered the blog post “I’m Christian, Unless You’re Gay“, and the responses to it. One of the negative reactions he posted had the following mind-blowing statement: “Being straight takes work and effort…” Wow, what?! Speaking for myself, being straight takes precisely zero effort. Being gay would be quite an effort, as men don’t turn me on.

    It just serves to reinforce my belief that many people who believe being gay is a choice are gay/bi people who are making the choice to be straight.

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    RSA says:

    “I’m sure you could also argue that opposition to Nazism hides a latent tendency toward Nazism. This is nothing more than Freudian BS.”

    I saw that, too. Two things came to mind. First, the commenter could run a comparable experiment concerning views about Nazis, and I don’t think anyone would be surprised when the results came back negative–no connection. Second, Nazis? The commenter could have picked something like “dislike of chocolate ice cream hides a latent tendency toward chocoholism”, but no. Homosexual tendencies have to be compared to the canonical worst thing in the world.

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    El Cid says:

    @300baud: I don’t think that there’s a high percentage of humans who spontaneously manifest a biologically detectable attraction to Nazism as a part of adolescence. Now, an attraction to authoritarianism in the abstract, yeah, sure, but not something so culturally specific as Nazism or even fascism for that matter.

  52. 52
    samara morgan says:

    science daily link for those who prefer their data feed unmasitcated.

  53. 53
    gluon1 says:

    @beergoggles: You beat me to the Katie Goodman link but I’ll echo it.

  54. 54
    Maus says:

    What is Sully’s cryptoracism indicative of?

  55. 55
    SoINeedAName48 says:

    Good Lord, your relentless “Sully Bashing” is not only childish – it’s DAMN tiresome.

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Although the community college campus fit nicely into the existing mall layout-with large interior corridor spaces, escalators and elevators and a service tunnel that provides ADA-compliant access to the building-the project had its share of adaption challenges.

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Less than 20 years old, the building was structurally sound. However, a few modifications were required to meet design requirements. The most challenging modification, says James Farrar, project engineer with Uzun Case, involved removing a structural column in the television studio to create enough open space to accommodate large sets and mobile cameras.

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"The total hard cost for the land and construction was $17.7 million, or $86 per gross square foot," concludes Balke. "FCCJ achieved significant cost savings considering that, from a construction cost only, the state of Florida recommends a budget of $119 per gross square foot for multipurpose community college buildings."

"It's a fabulous building for a school," adds Spalding. "We would have never been able to build a school with these amenities for the amount of money we spent. Plus, the building was spared from occupying a landfill."

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Sierra Nevada Pale Ale | Sierra Nevada Brewing Co.

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Sierra Nevada Pale AleSierra Nevada Pale Ale

Brewed by:
Sierra Nevada Brewing Co.
California, United States

Style: American Pale Ale (APA)

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.60%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
Generous quantities of premium Cascade hops give the Pale Ale its fragrant bouquet and spicy flavor.

37 IBU

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Photo of mcnut
3.6/5  rDev -11.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Sierra Nevada makes a good beer, sometimes the problem is that all of their beers taste remarkably similar.

Now its not fair for me to say all of them, as I've only tried their porter and the pale ale. Other than color, the taste was shockingly similar, well lets get to that.

The pale ale is just that, a pale golden beer with a soft lacing of head. The smell of hops and some citrusy notes comes out in the first whafting, with more hops to follow.

The taste is very strong of hops and a mild alchohol aftertaste. Not a beer I could personally session, your mileage may vary, especially if you like a very hopped beer.

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Photo of Derek
3.98/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

The Pacific Northwest Pale Ale that defined the style. Certainly more subtle than newly developed products.

A: Golden bronze with a little head, no lace.

S: Nice American hop citrous.

T: Citrousy, biscuity malt.

M: Light-to-moderate body, fairly high carbonation.

D: Suitable for a wide range of beer drinkers.

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Photo of russpowell
4.1/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Simply put, this ale enlightened me that we (USA) could make great ales. This my take on this bottle (know I've had better on draft & bottle)

Appearance: OK white heat that falls off, bur leaves A pleasing lace all the way down

Smell: Lemony hops & a hint of bread

Taste: Grapefruity hops on the toung gives way to biscuit & lemony hops on the back of the throat.

MF: Just a little under carbonated, otherwise yum..

Drinkability: Perfect balance, but I gravitate to stronger hoppie beers than I used to, still a classic!!

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Photo of jarmby1711
4.1/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A magnificent deep rusty red colour , that had a rush of hop aroma that seemed to fade rather quickly.
The hope smell was evident on the initial palate that transcended to a bitter finish that had a fruity /citrus undertone.
The carbonation was fine and it was smooth in the mouth.
There is something restrained about this beer,the expectation of a more varied finish is not there , but I think this makes this very drinkableand would be a fantastic beer to sit down and get right into a whole lot of it.

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Photo of NiceGuyMike
3.81/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

I find this to be a charming ale. I'm not a hop head at all, but I'm liking the brew. I has two treats; a nice bitter smell yet refreshing taste when cold, and a warmer maltier taste warmed up.

Appearance: dark amber with good head and lacing.
Smell: medium to strong hops with maltiness.
Taste: strong bitterness when cold. Sweet malts are present, but barely. Finishes with strong clean bitterness. As it warms, but bitterness fades and some of the deeper flavors sweet malts develope.
Mouthfeel: medium body with good carbonation.
Drinkability: great session beer.

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Photo of beermanbrian
4.07/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Haven't had this one in a long time and figured it was time to give it a try again.

Pours a nice copper color with a thin head that dissipates quickly. Not lacing to speak of. Smell of piney hop oils with a hint of malty sweetness. Taste has just enough piney hops to give it a little bite but is not overpowering. Nice malt balance with a bitter aftertaste that is enjoyable. Just a very nice smooth pale ale that goes down incredible easy. Don't know why i haven't had this one in so long but i will be sure to not let that happen again.

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Photo of alysmith4
4/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A classic for it's kind, and what I call the "gateway beer." It's a one of the few microbews available in most bars on-tap, usually sandwitched between two major macros. If you can get your BCM friends to try it, they will probably like it. And if they do like it, they may enter the gates of micro-heaven and never go back!

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Photo of kwalters
3.75/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Simply a classic. This brew is one most of your non-BA friends will even know about and have probably tried. To many, it's the quientisential "micro"brew.

The appearance is copper heaven. There's a light/small white head that doesn't seem to last all that long. The smell is slightly metallic but more "beery" and floral. I can taste the hops before they hit my palate.

The taste is smooth, vibrant, and refreshing. There's just enough hop bite to make you go "Ahhh!". Drinkability is a bit of an issue as my mouth becomes increasingly dry and by tastebuds ever spent after each bottle.

This is a must try, no matter what your tastes are! (This is as much because of the taste as it is because of the noteriety).

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Photo of asabreed
4/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle poured into a pint glass.

Appearance: This beer looks great in a glass. A weird brown and amber which is nice to look at. If it's at the right temperature it leaves a pretty good head on top and some spidery lacing on the glass.

Smell: Some slight sweet malt and burst of piney and oily hops. Very floral, and very engaging.

Taste: Almost IPA strength with the hops, though the malt presence seems to balance it out pretty well. The piney hops are at the forefront, and it settles down then into a yeasty and malty, slightly dry finish.

Mouthfeel: Moderately thicker body, it seems, for a pale ale, though the carbonation -- which seems to be on the heavy side -- makes it easy for sipping, and makes it very easy to drink.

Drinkability: Certainly a widely available beer on tap around the U.S., I think at least. Worth a shot, since some say this is one of the best pale ales made. Though I'm slightly inclined to disagree, I do think it's a widely available beer that I'm thankful is widely available.

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Photo of unknownlamer
4.37/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Ah Sierra Nevada's wonderful Pale Ale. Everything about this beer is wonderful. It looks good, and smells even better. The aroma is a quite nice one with a strong scent of floral hops. The taste is nearly perfect with a spot on malt/hop balance. It finishes with a with a a nice smooth and yet bitter bite while leaving behind a really nice mildly citrusy hop flavor.

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Photo of radshoesbro
3.53/5  rDev -12.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

24 oz brown bottle with no freshness date to be found. blurb about how it's brewed.

a - golden amber with a frothy head (head could be better) but the lacing is quite good.

s - hops. mild dough and floral smell. dry sort of smell.

t - this is interesting. it really really reminds me of JW Dundee's Amber Lager if that had more hops in it. this has an evenly balanced hop flavor. very smooth.

m - fairly light bodied with a good hop finish.

d - because it's fairly light i would recommend this as a summer brew. even though i didn't have it with any food i can see this going fairly well with lobster or perhaps a blue fish steak.

notes: i honestly would just skip this and go straight to Anchor Liberty Ale. it's much better.

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Photo of Bumpon10s
4.15/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A - Pours a clear amber color, with no head and a touch of lace.

S - A nice mellow hop character, not a hop bomob, like an IPA, but that's what they were going for.

T - Not very hoppy in taste, but finishes with a bit of pine bitterness in back. Again, not as bitter as I like, but this is an APA sent to the masses, so it needs that lighter touch.

M - One of the cleaner, and smoother hop bears you'll find. This is mainly designed to be, but makes it a very easy going beer.

D - Many things factor in its high drinkability, being ABV, ease of drinking and frankly cost. At maybe $6 a six pack that is a great beer when you want to watch a game with the guys, but still drink a good beer.

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Photo of ChefSchipull
4.59/5  rDev +13.3%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Appearance: Medium golden color, with a white frothy head that dissipates slowly.

Smell: Extreme citrus! Hints of grapefruit are definitely evident, along with floral scents.

Taste: Piney, grapefruit, floral pleasing hops. Apple in the aftertaste perhaps?

Mouthfeel: Crisp carbonation with a dry finish that makes you want to drink this brew all night long.

Drinkability: Extremely easy to drink, cleanses the palette quite well with bold food flavors.

I would definitely recommend this beer and in my opinion it takes second place in the APA category only to Four Peaks Hopknot Pale Ale.

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Photo of box299
4.67/5  rDev +15.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

My absolute standard. Best price flavor and consistant quality. This beer is great on tap or in the bottle everytime. This beer is the baseline I use to compare all other pale ales. I would put Dogfish higher on my list but the price makes a big difference.

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Photo of tastybeer
4.27/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Amber-gold and very slightly hazy with a dense white head that turns into decent lacing. Smell and taste consist of nicely rounded hops, almost IPA like but still more of a pale. Citrus floral hops on top with some subtle grape and dark fruit with sweet bready malts underneath. Taste is balanced between citric earthy hop, sweet malt, and various other small flavors. Very tasty with a very nice hop profile. Good texture and good controlled bitterness. Easy to drink and enjoy.

I am very happy this beer is readily available and moderately priced in the NE area. Its always a good 'I don't know what I want beer," especially in spring and summer.

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Photo of Dewey0603
3.47/5  rDev -14.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A full coppery color,but the head was a little small and disapears a little too fast.The taste is a little weak at first,but once the spices,hops,and barley hit all of your tongue you will enjoy this ale.This is a good ale for parties and tailgating,not too dark or light.This isn't the best ale I ever tried,but it's pretty good.

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Photo of Sigmund
4/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

350 ml bottle, bought in Denmark. Deep golden / amber colour, slightly hazy, large head. Pleasant hoppy aroma with strong fruity notes (citrus, raisins, prunes). Hoppy flavour on a decent malty base, notes of fruits (grapefruit, raisins) and spices. Its easy to understand why this beer has become part of the staple diet of many American beer afficionados

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Photo of whynot44
4.07/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Very nice apricot/amber color with a creamy ivory head that persists decently, leaving a bit of lace behind.

The aroma has a bit of fresh bread with a serious citrus, pine overtone. Makes you thirsty just inhaling it.

Medium bodied, very nice yeasty malt flavor dominated by the grapefruit/pine hops. Very definite and very pleasant hops finish and aftertaste. Should go well with most food.

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Photo of lokicat444
4.6/5  rDev +13.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

The distinctive bright green label and short stumpy bottle design is inviting; it contrasts well with the vibrant orange brew as it pours into a pint glass. The foam lasts for awhile and the buble quality is high- the small bubbles make for a very creamy head. Smell is very refreshing, an enticing blend of citrusy fruit, with perhaps a hint of yeast. Taste follows through with the smell, refreshing notes of citrus. The malts are good, something about this beer reminds me of bread. Mouthfeel is excellent; it's thick, rich, and satisfying. Later into the sip the hops really kick in, with a bitterness that challenges the senses but doesn't repel. Quite drinkable, this beer can be effortly paired with basically anything. Not exactly a session beer though, as you really want to take the time to enjoy each bottle.
I love this beer; excellent both in both in bottles and on-tap.

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Photo of clemtig76
4.42/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

APA lovers - It just don't get much better than this folks. Beautiful golden amber color with a nice fluffy head. Wonderful piney, citrusy grapefruit aroma. Taste is much lighter than you would expect from a dark beer. Well balanced between the biscuity malts and the sharp hop bite. A true American classic.

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Photo of mrasskicktastic
3.93/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

A - A gold/amber color with a one finger head that lingers for a bit. Visible carbonation. Nice rings of lace on the glass.

S - Strong cascade pine hop aroma. Slight malt character in the nose. A very very slight stomach acid scent, but not nearly potent enough to offset the positives.

T -Powerful pine flavor with slight metallic notes. A slight barley character, it is overshadowed by the moderate bitter finish. Malt stands out more as beer approaches room temp.

M - Thin and refreshing. Fairly smooth. Nothing impressive.

D - Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is easy to drink, pairs well with most foods and works fabulously as a session beer.

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Photo of beertastegood
4.14/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Been drinking this old standard for a while now, and finally sat down to review it. Pours a brilliantly clear orange/copper color with a half-inch of fluffy white head that has pretty good retention.

Smells of Cascades and more Cascades!!! lovely floral hop aroma to say the least. There is a slight hint of caramel malt in the nose, but the hops absolutely dominate. Love that smell.

Taste: Huge piney/floral hop flavor smacks me in the face, followed by a slight nutty malt flavor that is soon overwhelmed by more hop bitterness, followed by a thirst-quenching dry finish that leaves me wanting more.

Mouthfeel: medium-high carbonation and medium body give this beer a great mouthfeel.

Drinkability: at 5.6%, it is not exactly a session beer, but it goes down very easy.

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Photo of MurphyMacManus
3.91/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Amber with big, creamy off-white head that sticks all the way down the sides of the glass. Very impressive.

Smell: Spicy and lemon-y hops. Light on the malt in aroma.

Taste: Very light bready malt, with spicy and bitter hops in the middle and the finish. Stood up well to my spicy sausage and double Glouscester cheese.

Mouthfeel: Creamy, for a pale ale. I'd expect this kind of mouthfeel with a stout or a porter, but in an APA this is a very pleasant surprise.

Drinkability: This would be an excellent session beer; I could drink it all day, even with all the hop flavor I'm picking up, due to the fact that the hops enhance the experience, rather than pummelling the tastebuds.

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Photo of hojuwestlake
4.15/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I've been happy with every beer I've had from Sierra Nevada and this is no exception.

The color is a nice golden-copper topped by a light head. A sweet floral smell of hops with a light caramel malt aroma.

The mouth feel is crisp followed by a smooth finish. It has a medium bitter taste and a little apple on the tongue.

A great all around drinkable beer. Great with food or by itself.

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Photo of semihobo
4.35/5  rDev +7.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A fat little bottle, looks nice. Beer looks great. Head was modest but nice, retained pretty well, awesome bubbling. When I twist the glass the streams of bubbles twist, pretty sweet. Perfect color for an APA, pale but respectable.

Smell of hops, some malts (maybe caramel), maybe spices. Very well balanced.

Yum. Hops on the front, but not as overpowering as I thought. I'm not sure I know any beers, especially Pale Ales, that merge hops and malts so seamlessly. Cascade hops? I'm bad at guessing varieties. A slightly sweet finish. Aftertastes of hops.

Good mouthfeel, carbonation and hops are matched well. Starts off bubbly and intimidating but finishes smooth. Crisp the whole way through. Feels good rolling around in my mouth.

Very drinkable -- an all-around great beer. I see why this is such a staple of the beer drinking world. APAs may not be my favorite, but within the style this is hard to beat.

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Sierra Nevada Pale Ale from Sierra Nevada Brewing Co.
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Coffee Break Abduction | Pipeworks Brewing Company

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Coffee Break AbductionCoffee Break Abduction

Brewed by:
Pipeworks Brewing Company
Illinois, United States

Style: American Double / Imperial Stout

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 10.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Think yourself entitled to some brief respite human? Think again! Our coffee version of Abduction Imperial Stout, uses local craft roast coffee from our friends at lpsento and whole vanilla beans, to take your away once more. Which, depending on your penchant for a probing may be just what you need. Beware the skies for this robust, richly flavored Latte Imperial Stout may. just. scoop. you. up...

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3.86/5  rDev -6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

22oz bottle (batch 16??? - handwritten and hard to decipher with any certainty) poured into an Idle Hands tulip.

A - A firm pour into the center of the glass yields an opaque black body with a short finger of dense foamy mocha head with a minute or two of retention before dropping to the surface and leaving a sparse lace trail behind and a thick collar.

S - Rich coffee roast up front with a good intensity. Creamy vanilla smoothes out the coffee a bit, revealing some dark chocolate and hints of booze. Coffee is showcased really nicely here.

T - Strong coffee flavor from the first sip...intense, bitter, roasty. A little bit astringent, very reminisient of black coffee. A slightly off-putting aspect of the flavor is a rather strong metallic taste that comes on the back end of each sip. A slight cherry-ish fruity flavor accompanies the metallic, confusing the issue a bit. No trace of alcohol or vanilla in the flavor.

M - Medium body, foamy mid-level carbonation. Nice roasty black coffee up front moving towards highly metallic in the middle thru to the finish. Metallic nature makes this a little bit tough to take.

O - Looks good, smells great. Plenty of coffee up front started the flavor off well. Really fell apart in the middle with the heavy metallic flavors. This had all of the makings of a great coffee beer, except for the metals.

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Photo of Greywulfken
4.25/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

L: black ale body, darkly stout in the snifter, coupla fingers of mocha head left some motes down the glass

S: aromas suggestive of old hot coffee sitting on a burner, chocolaty malts charred bittersweet and dry, something herbal and vanilla

T: tasted a little green on the open, but warmed into a smoother drink; the vanilla has a taut edge that cuts into some of what I'd expected to be a mellower coffee; coffee flavors are mild and semisweet, backed by a bittersweet and slightly tight dark malt

F: medium-bodied, modest carbonation - rather smooth, but with a crisp edge of bitter vanilla and coffee char

O: delivers what you'd expect - straightforward Imperial stout supplemented by coffee at work; the vanilla flavors present in different ways over the course of the drink. Very enjoyable.

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Photo of Ricelikesbeer
3.4/5  rDev -17.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

love the combo of coffee and vanilla beans in dark beers. I like the bitter/sweet balance this combo can bring when pulled off.

L: jet black beer with white/off white lacing. nice head retention.

S: expecting a big coffee hit here, and really sort of disappoints. not fresh brewed coffee or beans, more like slight earthy funk. Not very fragrant in general. a faint booze whiff at the end is there.

T: nice smack of booze, chocolate, and caramel up front. well balanced. Not much of a vanilla coffee suggestion here. the beer underwhelms despite the initial caramel sweetness.

F: slick/oily mouthfeel, good carbonation and balance.

O: This one is ok or decent, but not one I'd buy again, especially for the format/price. It's slightly better than average or middle of the road. I'd seek out other coffee or vanilla dark beers if I could, there are far better options out there.

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Photo of GallowsThief
4.45/5  rDev +7.7%

Out of a bottle into my tulip. Picked up in trade from Kevinpitts (Thanks Kevin!)

A – Deep and dark brown on the pour with a finger of milk chocolate lacing that settles down nicely.
S – Roasted malts, coffee, vanilla and cream. Nice.
T – Just a nice roasted malt character out of the gate. Follows up with flavors of dark chocolate, vanilla, espresso, cream and molasses. Touch of trace bitterness that mixes with a cream like sweetness that balance each other nicely. Breathy alcohol at the end.
M – Medium to full bodied. Medium carbonation. Leaves a nice click creamy taste on the palate.
O – So this beer is all in my wheelhouse so I may be bias. I love beer and coffee and this mixes it very well. Nice strong coffee flavor that doesn’t overpower the beer. Even the person who doesn’t dig coffee will find something to like here. Just a fine brew all around. Pick this up if you can. You will not be sorry.

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Photo of DanGeo
4.25/5  rDev +2.9%

Photo of tjk135
4.08/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Photo of tectactoe
4.24/5  rDev +2.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Thanks to mateuszkxxpl for this one - I've had a few things by Pipeworks and I've really enjoyed all of them. Pours a deep black color with a halfway beige colored head that appears pretty creamy and starts leaving lacing right as it starts receding.

From the first whiff, I'm reminded of a deep, French roast coffee, very light on the cream and sugar. We're talking coffee beans that have been double or triple roasted; so deep, rich, dark, and bitter. The malts in the background are present and roasted as well, although they bring a very small bit of sweetness to the table, too. The sweetness gets eaten up pretty well by the burnt-ass coffee, but it does what it can to provide a counter-point. I'm a big fan of coffee-forward stouts, and even more so, ones that ride on the bitter and heavily roasted side, so I'm digging the nose on this one.

I take my first sip and even more than the flavor, the mouth feel on this one really catches my attention. Super creamy, silky, chewy, velvety... Wow. Very impressive, welcoming, and inviting to the coffee explosion that lies ahead. Heavy coffee flavor right away - shocking, right?! Big, bad-ass roasted coffee beans, borderline espresso-like with a surprisingly balanced mix of "bitter-roast" and "creamy-sweet". I say surprising because the aroma led me to be believe it would be leaning far towards the bitter side, but the influx of sweetness from the malt cuts through nicely and gives incredible balance. But.... in the end, the dry and bitter roast wins out and lasts longer.

Though this is entirely coffee-heavy, that's not to say there aren't other flavors bumbling about. A mild booziness comes to life, especially upon warming of the beer - somewhat expected at 10.5% ABV. A light licorice and very dark plum sweetness squirts in occasionally, alongside a dark-cocoa flavor profile that also seems to flash in and out sporadically. This beer actually gets a little bit sweeter as it warms up but still retains that nice dry and roasty flavor compound. Though the flavors are definitely intense, they work together pretty harmoniously to provide an easy going and manageable drinking experience.

I'm a big fan of coffee stouts, and this one definitely did not let me down. Good roast, good sweetness, great balance, and just all around tasty. If I could get this all the time, I probably would.

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4/5  rDev -3.1%

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4.25/5  rDev +2.9%

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4.5/5  rDev +9%

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4.35/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

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3.85/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

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4/5  rDev -3.1%

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4.25/5  rDev +2.9%

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4.5/5  rDev +9%

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4/5  rDev -3.1%

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4.25/5  rDev +2.9%

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4.9/5  rDev +18.6%

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3.25/5  rDev -21.3%

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4.5/5  rDev +9%

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4/5  rDev -3.1%

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4.5/5  rDev +9%

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4/5  rDev -3.1%
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Plank Bavarian Dunkler Weizenbock | Brauerei Michael Plank

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Style: Weizenbock

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 7.50%

Availability: Year-round

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Photo of Sammy
3.63/5  rDev -6.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

This beer was fine, tasy, but not overly drinkable because of the sourness in there. Thick mouthffel, its filling, it looks good and dark. Not overally complex, bang the style but the only beer you can drink in a night. Lots of chocolate malt. Big malt aroma. Bannanas.

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Photo of StonedTrippin
4.21/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

for a dark wheat lager from germany, this is about as good as it can get. it is everything it says it is, and more. for me, i cant really see the style improving much, and like all the plank beers, its quality is simply astounding and well ahead of its peers. this pours a charcoal tinted brown color, with some yeast sediment and a rapidly rising milkshake thick khaki tan head that never relents. the nose is that banana clove hefe yeast, with some really roasty wheat malt that stays light and doesnt go bitter, as well as a clean bready lager yeast. interesting yeast combination here, very german, but also quite unique. the flavor starts with the dark grain and moves into a slightly boozy malty middle, a little sweeter than the start. it moves through banana bread, bran muffin, and campfire smoke, before returning to a relatively clean and tidy lager finish. impressively complex, not overdone, just clever and traditional at the same time. frothy and fluffy feeling, aside from a slight alcohol burn, this beer is gentle all the way through. carbonation is just active enough, and the beer opens up a whole lot as it warms too. the thing that amazes me as much as how good this is, is how cheap it is. i need to start buying this stuff a lot more frequently!

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Photo of BEERchitect
4.08/5  rDev +4.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A toasty version of their wheat Bock beer. There's something about the toasted flavor that allows for a peppery character and overall command of the beer to deliver strong flavor and dryness.

Pouring a very clear deep ruby color, the beer forms a massive head of eggshell white foam that retains and laces impressively (all of their beers have carried a very classy appearance)

Malt aromas carry a non-descript bready-sweet aroma with a peppery, toasty scent. Very inviting with a slight fruitiness of plumb, blackberries, and walnuts. Both masculine and understated.

Malty flavors continue with a rich bready taste, fused with heavy toast, peppercorns, and roasted currants, grapes, and plumbs. Deeply caramelized toffee with roasted nuts, burnt sweetness, and a flakey char note of burnt barley all play into the elegant and manly flavor profile. Delicious and easy to drink.

Rich and malty with a very creamy mouthfeel, the beer's early start is all malt with very little residual sweetness. The peppery bite, charred toast, and alcohol all help to create a toasty-dry finish with hardly a linger of sweetness or viscocity. Very dry late with mild alcohol warmth and moderate acidity.

I really enjoyed this beer. As a wheat beer, the wheat contributed more true malt flavor and body than wheaty flavor, and the fruitiness normally associated with wheat beers are solomn and make only background contributions to the beer's flavor profile.

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3.91/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Pours a hazy mahogany color with a massive head that retains well

Smell: Banana bread, wheat malt and some spicy phenols

Taste: Opens with a wheat malt and banana flavor that becomes a bit rough and grainy at mid-palate; after the swallow, the balance returns, with some sweet banana and clove elements to even out the roughness

Mouthfeel: Medium to full body with effervescent carbonation

Drinkability: Very nice example of the style but not as good as the Aventinus

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Photo of zeff80
4.01/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A - Poured out a semi-opaque, burgundy color with a foamy, tan, three-finger head. It left thin, sticky rings of lace.

S - It smelled of wheat, roasted malt and hints of cocoa.

T - It really had a great balance of roasted malt and wheat. Nice grassy flavors.

M - It was crisp and smooth with a dry finish. A medium-bodied weizenbock.

D - This is a really good brew. Great balance between wheat and malt!

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Photo of oberon
4.05/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured into a weizen glass a clouded mahogany brown with a little amber-like tinge to it,a big blooming off white head atop.Aromas are of green apple and clove mainly,a little banana shows thru as well,flavors are a good mix of dark fruit and a slight puckering green apple with some underlying chocolate and clove, medium to full makes the flavors seem fuller.A solid weizenbock here it has rich flavors and a nice feel,Plank makes some good beers in the general style.

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Photo of mothman
3.92/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours little tan head. Color is a dark brown very murky.

Aroma: bananas chocolate spices caramel malt some chocolate. Reminds me of a bock mixed with a hefe.

Taste: a lot of cocoa and bananas. Caramel and Bready malts. Some spices.. Cloves and coriander. Solid.

Mouthfeel: crisp and creamy. Medium bodied with a higher amount of carbonation. Ends a little dry.

Overall: a nice German offering. Very flavorful and definitely drinkable. I enjoyed this one.

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4.1/5  rDev +5.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

500 ml bottle into weizen glass, unknown bottle code. Pours very hazy/murky dark reddish brown color with a 2 finger moderately dense light khaki head with great retention, that reduces to a small cap that lingers. Spotty foamy lacing clings down the glass, with a large amount of streaming carbonation retaining the head. Aromas of big pear, grape, apple, raisin, caramel, toast, brown bread, wheat, molasses, light clove, light banana, light chocolate, herbal, and yeast earthiness. Damn nice aromas with good balance and complexity of fruity yeast and dark malt notes; with good strength. Taste of big pear, apple, grape, raisin, caramel, brown bread, wheat, molasses, toast, light banana, clove, herbal, light chocolate, and yeast earthiness. Light wheat tartness on the finish; with lingering notes of light fruits, caramel, brown bread, wheat, molasses, toast, clove, light banana, herbal, light chocolate, and yeast earthiness on the finish for a while. Very nice complexity and balance of dark/bready malt flavors with yeast fruitiness; with a nice malt/fruitiness balance and zero cloying flavors after the finish. Medium-high carbonation and medium-full bodied; with a moderately creamy, smooth, and lightly slick mouthfeel that is good. Alcohol is very well hidden with only a slight warming present after the finish. Overall this is an excellent weizenbock. All around great complexity, balance, and robustness of dark/bready malt and fruity yeast ester flavors; and very smooth to drink for the ABV. A very enjoyable offering.

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3.97/5  rDev +1.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A chilly October sunset at Zum Schneider brought me to order a Plank Dunkler Weizenbock, and it turned out to be just the right beer for the season. A crispness was in the air and the leaves were turning... fall was here. I could smell chestnuts roasting from afar. We'd just past Oktoberfest and it was time for something with a little more girth.

The beer was clear and deep-copper with crimson, amber, and orange highlights beneath a bone-white head that held fairly well and left some nice lacing about the glass.

The aroma fit in perfectly with the season with a somewhat malty/wheaty and slightly caramelish base with a burnt-sugar/smoky edge with a hint of spice and phenol. It wasn't rich, full or "sticky", but more crisp and clean.

In the mouth it was medium-full bodied, and crisp with a fine-bubbled, slightly zesty carbonation that delicately pricked the tongue.

The flavor was a subtle-touch tart with notes of lemon and wheat, followed by the typical under-note of banana backed by some mild spice. A delicate caramelish edge widened it, but to be honest, it falls more into "dunkle weizen" than "dunkle weizenbock" character. The strength is there, but the richness is lacking.

Overall, I found it quite enjoyable, and surprisingly drinkable given the strength. There are better examples of the style out there, but I'd certainly suggest trying it.

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Photo of BuckeyeNation
3.95/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Campfire red-orange without the smoke. A loud rush of carbonation on crown cracking indicated generous carbonation. This is becoming a trend with this brewery. The pour generated a large head of soft, nearly featureless foam that doesn't look like it'll leave much lace. Not bad, just not great. Edit: for some reason, subsequent pours look much better.

Unlike the appearance, the aroma is somewhat smoky. It's also well-toasted wheaty and is more than a little spicy. Maybe a few handfuls of beechwood-smoked malt were used. That and a kick-ass yeast strain.

Other than too much carbonation that needs several minutes to settle down, I like what Bavarian Dunkler Weizenbock delivers. The typical flavors are present, as are the typical complementary flavor sensations of sweet, tangy and bitter. The beginning and middle are balanced, while the finish edges toward bitter.

Browned banana dominates, although it isn't quite as dark as the cocoa-covered banana that some beer of this style favors. The (hefe) weizen banan-o-meter score is... 3.5/5.0. Black pepper and clove are increasing in intensity as the beer warms. There's no shortage of flavor here.

The body/mouthfeel is more enjoyable now that I'm past the midway point of the bottle. The carbonation has eased a great deal, but this brew isn't quite big enough. If you've acquired a similarly bubbled bottle, be prepared to burp. A lot.

Plank Bavarian Dunkler Weizenbock is a fine example of the style. In fact, it might even be banging on great's door if properly carbonated.

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Photo of russpowell
4.54/5  rDev +16.4%
look: 5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Pours an effervescent amber/caramel with 4 fingers+ of rocky light sand colored head. Superior head retention & lacing

S: Slight bubblegum notes & a little pepper. Also slight booze notes.

T: Fruitty(apricots/dates)/bready with bubblegum & a hint chocolate up front. Slight brown sugar, toffee, & pumpernickel notes as this warms. Finishes bready, peppery & fruitty & quenching for the style

MF: Rich, medium/heavy bodied with perfect carbonation

Drank real easy for the abv, this is a nice weizenbock! The best one from this brewery IMO. I'd pay $5 for this again, easily, wish it was cheaper, though. I like this better than adventius I think. so say my ratings, need to do a side by side comparison!

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Photo of WVbeergeek
4.5/5  rDev +15.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2nd favorite out of the 3 Plank biers they were carrying at D'z. Pours a dark russet brown body with a foaming tan head, great carbonation levels going on. Aroma has a nice dark toasted malt tone with raisin and tart apples, very nice spiciness about it as well. Flavor was banana bread with a layered charred malt character adding a touch of smokiness, with a caramelized malt finish. Mouthfeel was medium to fuller bodied alcohol was evident but not overpowering in anyway. Overall drinkability was great another excellent German wheat beer served properly in a hefeweizen glass, my kind of weizenbock this competes or beats Ayinger's version.

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Photo of jwc215
4.2/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to jcwattsrugger for this one!

Pours ruby brown with a thick off-white head that thins and stays. Trailing lace slides down the glass.

The smell is of dark, sourish fruit - prune, date, raisin - with some cocoa/chocolate, caramel, wheat tang, and a pumpernickel-ish breadiness.

The taste is of dark and tart cherry-like fruitiness. Malty with some iron/minerals and caramel/toffee. It has a mild, but solid hop presence in the back. It is sweet and sour with a bitterish touch in the finish. Nice balance and subtle complexities.

It is medium-to-full-bodied with a bit of prickly carbonation (though not in a distracting or fizzy way).

Alcohol is reasonably well-covered, though it adds just the right amount of warmth for the style. This is a delicious weizenbock with nice balance - sweet, sour, then bitterness mixing in.

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Photo of Mebuzzard
4.2/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

So far my favorite of the Plank beers. This is a dark brown, murky and rich looking beer. I get some banana and spice in the nose, reminds me--at first and briefly--of the first time I had Rochefort 10. That rich banana and clove (?) up front. Anywho, this one adds some bake caramel and chocolate. Rich taste. Nutmeg is more apparent here and the banana melds into dark chocolate. Sweet roasted malt and spicy end, although somewhat light. Like the other Planks, I'd like to try this one at the brewery

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Photo of WesWes
4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The beer pours a cloudy brown color with a thick frothy offwhite head that slowly fades to lacing. The aroma is good. It has a dry, crystal malt scent along with some wheat and fruit esters. It has minimal banana/clove character. The taste is good as well. It has a smooth, crystal and wheat malt flavor that goes down smooth and finishes dry with a mild yeastiness. It's not a powerful beer, yet it weighs in at 7.5% abv.. The hefe character is present as well as the lager dryness. The mouthfeel is fine. It is a full bodied beer with good carbonation. This is a good drinking beer. It's complex and flavorful, as well as true to style.

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Photo of Gueuzedude
3.93/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Aromas of bananas and clove greet my nose as I pour this beer. A soft pour produces a three-finger thick, dingy, light tan colored head that just crests the lip of my 25cl tulip glass. The beer s a hazy, dark plum color that shows lots of haze and a amber, plum color when held up to the light. The aroma is quite wholesome somehow and is incredibly appetizing. Fruity, wheat driven notes of plums, concentrated apple, some tamarind and perhaps a touch of raisin are accented by sweet clove notes and a touch of appetizing tartness. The spiciness here is just not cloves, but also takes on edges of allspice and a woody almost pepper note; really the combination of rich fruit notes and sweet spice aromas remind me of a rich, German spiced, sweet bread. Nicely complex, definitely characteristic of a traditional Weizen and it has an appetizing richness that is requisite for a Bock.

Nicely carbonated with a zesty carbonic texture. This is not quite as sweet as I was expecting and it has a full wheat tartness to it that is quite nice. Eminently quaffable, yet still has a richness when compared to a typical Hefeweizen. This has a soft creaminess to it that is just balanced by the carbonation; actually even on the light side for a Bock, but this works for something labeled a Weizenbock. The tartness accentuates flavors of plums and some apple notes. The finish is quite smooth with only a slight hop bitterness, instead what it really has is a rich, maltiness to it that is not sweet, perhaps a depth from a decoction mash. Malt driven flavors (without the typical sweetness) of browned bread, Maillard rich caramelized bread crust and grain-driven wheat flavors.

This is way too quaffable for a beer of this strength. If I was to complain I would say that it is lacking a richness and a malt sweetness that one expects in something labeled a Bock. On the other hand I do like how drinkable this is and how nice the dry, yet rich malt character is.

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Photo of Georgiabeer
4.07/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a dark reddish brown with a finely beaded head that settles to a thin cap. Lovely bready and banana aromas with just a touch of clove and chocolate. The taste is somewhat similar, but very fizzy which distracts slightly from the flavors, but it is also quite bready and with more pronounced. snappy clove and somewhat less banana up front, although it manifests in the finish. Crisp, highly carbonated and finishes bready and slightly sweet with zingy spice. Very nice example, I'll bet this is not quite so aggressively carbonated on tap. Nice.

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Photo of weeare138
4.12/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Much thanks to egajdzis for grabbing this one...
Appears a mahogany brown with copper edges and a fluffy beige head that slowly fades away. Scattered bits of lacing are left around the glass.
Smell is of ripe bananas, caramel, cocoa powder, vanilla, freshly baked bread, and fruity esters with spice.
Taste is of the aromas with a subdued flavor of ripened bananas and that classic German yeast strain.
Mouthfeel is medium bodied, spritzy, and very enjoyable.

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Photo of beerthulhu
4.2/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2004 World Cup Gold medal.

A: dark burnt cranberry color with a huge rocky 3 finger off white head. The lacing stuck to the sides of the glass nicely while the visible carbonation was light.

S: some fresh cranberries, bananas, cloves, and a variety of spices.

T: The initial flavor was malty with a big dark roasted character and caramel along with a charred smokiness. There was a big doughy palate, some dry chocolate and a earthy bitterness from the hops. The finish was smooth with a good smokiness detected and rich roasted malt lacing on the tongue leaving some bacon and campfire notes upon warming. A very good dark roasted malt bill and was very yeasty for a doppelbock, with some dry fruitiness, alcohol, and a good spiciness.

M: Nice mineral mouthful, spicy and smoky

D: A very good recommend and very good drink

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Photo of Haybeerman
3.78/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Hazy mahogany color. One inch billowy off-white head that settled to a quarter inch and head. Non distinct lacing (maybe due to the carbonation?).

S: Very sweet. Fruit and malt in nice balance. Very slight floral hop aroma.

T: Very malty up front then plum and spicy fruit. Slightly bitter hop finish provided nice balance.

M: I wanted to really llike the mouthfeel, but there was too much carbonation - that made it feel thin and weaker than it probably should be.

D: Nice drinking full-flavored beer, but not over powering. I'm buying it again and pouring it fuller to decant it a bit and see if that helps.

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Photo of barczar
3.81/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Been in the cellar quite a while.

Swirled the sediment before emptying the bottle. Pours a murky medium brown color with a foamy two inch light khaki head that lingers. Floaties are noticeable.

Wheat, green apple esters, clove, and subtle caramel malt form the aroma. The apple is overwhelming. Toasted bread emerges as it warms.

Caramelization is more evident in the flavor, forming the backbone and carrying into a deeply toasted, slightly dry, bready finish. Apple, yeast, wheat, clove, and banana esters add intrigue. Toffee notes surface late...nutty and buttery.

Body is a touch on the full side, fairly oily, with carbonation on the high side, and slight alcohol warmth.

Fairly characterful example of the style. Good esters keep things interesting.

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Photo of pat61
4.5/5  rDev +15.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Plank Bavarian Dunkler Weizenbock pours clean, brilliant chestnut under a very persistent 3” thick rocky off white head. Darker bread and banana aromas on the nose with faint traces of clove and a pinch of sweetness. Bread and banana on the palate are seasoned by the dark malts which give a faint chocolate coffee note and combined with the lighter malt tones suggesting a faint root beer or cola presence. While yeast driven, he beer is very well balanced between the malts, alcohol, yeast driven fruit flavors and the finishing hop accent. This is a very smooth, creamy full bodied beer with above average carbonation.

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Photo of avalon07
3.58/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A: Poured from a bottle to a weizen glass. Had a brown color and a cloudy texture. There was a huge, creamy, long-lasting head and good lacing.

S: Had an aroma of malt, wheat, bananas and sugar.

T: An OK taste combination of wheat (which wasn't overly noticable), bananas and some sugar. A pleasant, but not superb taste.

M: A fairly well-carbonated beer with a smooth finish. Medium-bodied.

D: This is one of those beers that's drinkable, but not spectacularly so. Worth a shot.

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Photo of drpimento
2.18/5  rDev -44.1%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 1.5

Think I got a bottle that is just turning. Bummer. Poured with a nice foamy fine off white head and some lace. Color is mahoganey. Aroma is malty and dominated by sour. Flavor is like aroma and again dominated by the sour. Beer tasted like it was almost good. No date on the bottle. Finish is like flav. Bummer.

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4.23/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a bottle bought for $2.99 in northern OH (a steal versus $4-5 in MI). The beer is dark copper / burnt orange and clear, with a massive foam comprised of large celled suds. The nose is subdued versus competitive weizenbocks, but has the required bananas and cloves, and a hint of lactose. The taste is large, very rich with bananas and cloves and a little bubblegum, very sweet tasting. The thick body is just right for the style, this is a great beer even if its aroma is modest.

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#1 ypc09

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    Posted 20 July 2008 - 09:28 PM

    If I ask someone to stand in my wedding, do I need to pay for their flight and hotel expenses? A long time ago someone mentioned this to me and it;s been in my mind ever since we decided to have a DW. And now I hesitate to have any bridesmaids because I may not be able to afford their travel and mine. More than likely, if I had bridesmaids I probably would let them pick their own dresses, just request a particular color. Any thoughts?

    #2 Bianca

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      Posted 20 July 2008 - 09:30 PM

      No you do not have to pay for their trip. Some girls pay for their dresses. Other girls wait til their friends book their trips and then ask them to be BM, but you have no obligation to pay anyone's trip besides yourself. I know this has been mentioned before, so try a little searching and you may find more out there.
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      #3 ypc09

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        Posted 20 July 2008 - 09:32 PM

        Thanks for the reply. I will do more searching...

        #4 Kelly C

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          Posted 20 July 2008 - 10:08 PM

          I am not paying their way. I did ask a girlfriend and she has ended up not being able to go because of fiances. So I did wait until others booked to ask.
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            Posted 20 July 2008 - 10:40 PM

            I agree that you do not need to pay for their expenses. If they are unable to make it do to finances, than that is to bad, but it shouldn't be up to you to pay their way. If you are having a DW, you have to expect that not everyone will be coming, even if they say they are.
            I asked my BM before actually booking the trip, and 2 have backed out due to money issues.
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              Posted 21 July 2008 - 12:14 AM

              DEF not. It is actually a vacation for them as well. I paid all other wedding expenses for mine though like dress, shoes, jewelry, gifts...I figured its the least I could do. But def not paying for their vaca:)

              #7 ohiobride15

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                Posted 21 July 2008 - 12:54 AM

                Im not paying for the trips either. I asked them and they said yes knowing where it would be. Originally we wanted Puerto Rico so when we changed to Mexico we told our bridal party we would pay for thier passports. They all seemed happy about that. We are also paying for spa treatments for the girls and a round of golf for the guys.

                #8 lscilley

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                  Posted 21 July 2008 - 07:56 AM

                  We are paying a chunk towards the wedding party's trips we set a side a certain amount and are splitting it equally between them all. They will be paying for their own attire. We only have a wedding party of 4 so it's not to bad.

                  #9 beachbride08

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                    Posted 21 July 2008 - 08:06 AM

                    We are not paying for anyone's trip to Mexico. I did, however, buy the girl's dresses and shoes and am getting them a bunch a gifts and spa gif certificate at the resort. I only have two BMs, but if either of them had to back out for money reasons I would completely understand. If you have the budget to pay for them and that is something that you want to do to make sure they are able to come then I say go for it, but if not I think they should pay their own way.

                    #10 Dez921714

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                      Posted 21 July 2008 - 08:31 AM

                      We are not paying for their trips...I have 7 girls....

                      We were origionally having a HUGE wedding at home, so when we changed to a Destination Wedding I told each girl seperatly that "I want you to come and I still do want you to be in it, but if you can't afford both, I'd rather you come than be in it, and if you can't afford to come or be in it, we really do understand"

                      All 7 are coming and being in it.
                      http://ticker.7910.o....25vdCBpbiA.gif27 Confirmed with Plane Tickets...5 with rooms booked!

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Product:56% Fat Spread made with Sunflower Oil and added B Vitamins
Pack Size:2kg
Product Code:47997
VAT Code:Exempt
Product Category:Chilled & Fresh Foods > Dairy & Eggs > Butter & Spreads Portions
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  • 75% less saturated fat than butter
  • Suitable for vegans

56% Fat Spread made with Sunflower Oil.

Additional Pack Information

75% less saturated fat than butter.

Reusable container.

Vegetable Oils (Sunflower (21%), Rapeseed, Palm), Water, Salt, Emulsifiers - E471, Sunflower Lecithin, Preservative - Potassium Sorbate, Acid - Lactic Acid, B Vitamins (Niacin, B6, B2, Folic Acid & B12), Flavourings, Colour - Annatto, Curcumin

Nutritional Information

100g Provides
Energy2068kJ / 503kcal
of which saturates12.6g
of which mono-unsaturates22g
of which polyunsaturates19.1g
of which sugars0g
Riboflavin0.96mg (69% NRV)
Vitamin B6 1.2mg (86% NRV)
Niacin 10.8mg (68% NRV)
Folic Acid 120u00b5g (60% NRV)
Vitamin B12 0.6u00b5g (24% NRV)
Vitamin E18mg (150 NRV)
NRV = Nutrient Reference Value

Additional Information

  • Suitable for Vegans
  • Free From Dairy
  • Reusable container
  • Pack Type: Tub

Preparation and Usage

Suitable for spreading, baking, sauces, shallow frying, freezing.

Keep refrigerated 2-5°C.
For best before see lid.

Min Temp °C: 2

Max Temp °C: 5

Manufacturer's Address

Dairy Crest Ltd,
OX9 3PG.

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