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Microsoft (Probably) Didn't Just Buy Unix 289

jfruhlinger writes "Word came down this morning that when Attachmate bought Novell, certain intellectual property rights were sold to a Microsoft-led consortium as part of the deal. Since Unix is the most valuable piece of IP Novell owns, there was a certain amount of panic that suddenly Redmond is in charge of this foundational technology for Linux and a number of other open source projects. But, while MS is being cagey, Brian Proffitt doubts that Unix was part of the IP package that was sold — and believes that Linux would be safe even if it were."
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Microsoft (Probably) Didn't Just Buy Unix

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  • What if.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by TechyImmigrant (175943) * on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:25PM (#34311268) Journal

    What if Novell sold them Unix, but didn't give them the root password?

    • by theY4Kman (1519023) <they4kman@gmail.com> on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:27PM (#34311282) Homepage

      Microsoft would still sell it to customers.

    • by Kraftwerk (629978) on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:29PM (#34311308)

      I'm sure Microsoft can afford a $5 wrench.

    • by tomhudson (43916) <barbara.hudson@b ... n.com minus punc> on Monday November 22, 2010 @08:01PM (#34312206) Journal
      The Regents of Southern California would have a thing to say about that - the AT&T settlement made one thing clear - no one entity "owns" unix. [wikipedia.org]

      The University also claimed that similar lines of source code (which were presented during discovery) did not infringe on USL's copyright because they had become public domain by the actions of AT&T: AT&T had promoted UNIX as a standard, licensing it to universities and allowing UNIX source code to be published in textbooks. The University submitted briefs from the UC Berkeley students and staff, explaining how they had audited the code, looking for freely available copies of the source code and methods. When they could find none, they said, they removed the code and rewrote it using publicly known techniques—and so any remaining similarities existed because AT&T had effectively abandoned the copyright to them.

      Novell didn't have to show they owned the rights to Unix in SCO vs Novell - just that, whatever rights they had, they didn't convey them to Santa Cruz.

      So whatever they bought from AT&T, it wasn't "ALL right to Unix."

      • by sconeu (64226)

        Wow! When did my half of the state get Regents?

        You mean the Regents of the University of California.

        (The University of Southern California is a private university, having nothing to do with BSD).

    • by sconeu (64226)

      I heard that Novell would only give the root password to Gavin Newsome.

  • by ciaran_o_riordan (662132) on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:27PM (#34311284) Homepage

    Novell's 8-K filing says that Microsoft's "CNPT" bought 882 patents.

    * What important patents did Novell have?
    * What happens now to Novell's contribution to OIN?

    Novell contributed some big patent sets to OIN, like the Commerce One e-commerce patents. What's their status now? Did Novell "give/transfer" them to OIN, or did OIN just have a transferable assurance of access to these patents via Novell?

    * http://en.swpat.org/wiki/CPTN_Holdings_LLC [swpat.org]
    * http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Novell [swpat.org]
    * http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Open_Invention_Network [swpat.org]

  • by gbjbaanb (229885) on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:27PM (#34311288)

    which is exactly what you don't want - if they said "we own it", no-one would believe them until it got to court. If they said "we don't own it", no-one would care.

    But, because they say "maybe", everyone starts to panic and worry, and think the problem is far worse that it ever could be.

    • by TurtleBay (1942166) on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:44PM (#34311490)
      While you may attribute Microsoft's cageyness to an effort to enhance royalty revenue by not being clear on what they own, it is much more likely their large corporate structure and lawyers getting in the way. If someone asked Microsoft's PR what patents they now hold, the PR guy has no idea. He needs to go to the M&A team who did the deal and ask what exactly they now own. When the PR guy hears back he needs to do his job and put some spin on it to make Microsoft sound cutting edge yet not monopolist with the new IP. Then the PR guy needs to forward his response to legal, who will circle back around to M&A to cross check the facts. The legal guys will come back with a list of things that the company can't say and the PR guy will need to apply another round of spin to get around what the lawyers told him would't be fit to print. All of this will probably take a couple of weeks, so don't expect an immediate answer regarding the implications of the specific of a deal to UNIX, especially during the holidays.
    • by HeckRuler (1369601) on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:52PM (#34311562)
      Sooooooo they just bought a billion dollars worth of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt?
  • by RocketRabbit (830691) on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:30PM (#34311324)

    After the revelations years ago that Microsoft had funded SCO during the Darl era, and has been on the attack against Linux for a good 10 years now at least, I would not just put my feet up and rest easy following this news. At this point nobody even knows what MS bought, so it's a little too early to be going down for a nap.

    Microsoft knows that there are several threats to its existence, but most of them can just be bought off, paid off, or partnered with. Linux is not really susceptible to any of those vectors. If indeed MS has come away with the Unix intellectual property rights we can expect a renewed set of attacks. Specifically, Microsoft would probably avoid dirtying its hands directly, and instead use some sort of nominally separate entity (which would probably end up being the holder of the Unix IP) to attack Linux through a confusing and expensive court case.

    I know it is nice to hope for the best, but while one does that, they should also prepare for the worst.

    • I have serious doubts that MS would be interested in patents other than those with potential to hurt Linux (or even OSX). Was Novell known to own any other patents of significant importance to Microsoft? If they could get their hands on the SCO stuff wouldn't they try very hard? For me, there is no other reasonable explanation for Microsoft getting involved at all and none has been published anywhere as far as I can tell.
      So yes, expect a new series of boring attacks on Linux/Android (and perhaps OSX) by M
      • MS has two likely choices for patents they want to acquire:
        1. patents their competitors infringe
        2. patents they infringe
        With the large number of patents involved there were probably quite a few of both.
      • by h4rr4r (612664)

        Microsoft will not attack OSX, they need a "competitor" that is not a real competitor. If OSX ever steps foot in the enterprise space then maybe they would, but for now OSX is a value to them not competition. Linux is competition, google is competition. Nothing that threatens the MS desktop market and operates in the enterprise space is safe, they protect that above all else.

        • by mevets (322601)

          IOS which is OSX which is UNIX (real UNIX, not Linux) is the smart-ass kid which is making MicroSofts Mobile OS feel stupid and lonely.
          MicroSoft are facing assaults on all fronts, their situation seems a bit reminiscent of Sun circa 2000. Don't put anything past their ability to "innovate" - it worked well to crush netscape and only suffer a tickle on the pinky.

    • by mikael (484)

      Remember, Microsoft bought a whole load of patents from SGI relating to 3D graphics and rendering - there was at least one related to shader languages implemented in hardware.

    • Horde as much source as you can, just in case.

  • Anyone else... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Haedrian (1676506) on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:32PM (#34311346)
    ...Is tired of this whole software patent mess?

    I mean, come on. Not only do people have to worry about what patents their newest idea is stepping on, but now when companies are bought, they may have large ramnifications which ripple around?

    I'm pretty tired of this rubbish. They should just throw away software patents - then we could still have good companies which actually develop stuff instead of simply being bought for their patents. Alas poor Sun.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Konsalik (1921874)
      Well I think the general consensus among slashdotters is that software patents have indeed been taken way too far. Problem is that most companies cling dearly to what they know i.e. patents. It is their assets, and for some (trolls) the sole reason for their existence. Thus there will always be a bunch of companies throwing money and resources to make sure they are able to patent ever more absurd things. Go watch http://patentabsurdity.com/ [patentabsurdity.com] if you haven't already done so.
    • Re:Anyone else... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by sakdoctor (1087155) on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:42PM (#34311474) Homepage

      1. Move away from America
      2. Develop whilst simultaneously not caring about software patents.
      3. Sales and profit.
      4. Get sued in America
      5. Don't turn up
      6. Don't go to America (or South Korea) ever again.

  • by Jugalator (259273) on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:33PM (#34311352) Journal

    A Microsoft Unix 2013 Professional Edition doesn't exactly give me pleasant imagery.

  • by Lazy Jones (8403) on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:33PM (#34311356) Homepage Journal
    Well that puts my mind at ease now. ;-)
  • Enough! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 93 Escort Wagon (326346) on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:53PM (#34311570)

    Bill Gates Jr. retired from Microsoft some time ago. Couldn't you Slashdot guys at least update the silly icon so it shows Ballmer as a Borg?

    You could even make him the Borg queen...

  • by Bruce Perens (3872) <bruce@perens.com> on Monday November 22, 2010 @06:53PM (#34311576) Homepage Journal

    There is a threat here, but it has nothing to do with the Unix copyrights. We have already established really, really well that the Unix copyrights are irrelevant at this late date. They can't be used like patents to enforce against other similar works. They were released under an unterminating BSD license and covered by a government standard. Forget them.

    What they got was 481 patents that were part of a portfolio that Open Invention Network had previously used to defend Linux against patent suits. So, this is escalation in the patent war they are running against Linux, because they just removed one of our defensive weapons.

  • by Vahokif (1292866)
    Don't they already own it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix [wikipedia.org]
    • No, they sold the rights to SCO, and they were just a licensee of V7 Unix
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Guy Harris (3803)

      No, they licensed UNIX from AT&T to make Xenix - AT&T still owned the rights. (Newer versions of System V licensed some code back from Microsoft - there's some code with Microsoft copyrights on it.)

  • by melted (227442) on Monday November 22, 2010 @07:14PM (#34311816) Homepage

    Miguel must be ecstatic. Seems like he always wanted to work for Microsoft, and now he will, albeit indirectly.

    • by Lennie (16154)

      On Twitter he mentioned they'll continue the work on Mono.

      "After the Novell acquisition, Mono continues as-is, but our paychecks will come from Attachmate instead of Novell."

  • by Nefarious Wheel (628136) on Monday November 22, 2010 @07:38PM (#34312022) Journal

    www.groklaw.net. Pamela Jones is the Empress, the rightful dispenser of knowledge on who goeth there regarding Linux, the Law, and the great game called Follow The Money.

  • That Russian guy (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Trogre (513942) on Monday November 22, 2010 @07:41PM (#34312036) Homepage

    Perhaps that Russian guy who a few days ago commented that Linux was near the end of its release cycle knew something!

    In all seriousness, given the FUD Microsoft spreads about Linux to their customers, I wonder if this purchase has been working its way into their propaganda engine for a while.

  • The bought and marketed something a PC version of Unix called Xenix in the late 1970s and early 1980s. I used to use UNIC on PdPs and Vaxen at that time. But Xenix was way under-powered on 16-bit CPUs. They sold to SCO after they developed IBM-DOS.
  • Net wide i mean. With all participants possible - from google to small companies, from ngos to individual donors. An international unix consortium or something can be created, and everyone can donate to that, and the consortium can buy and release unix as public domain or gpl, therefore ridding unix and linux and all the companies and individuals using them of all these troubles. There had already been such organizations founded back in 2005 or so to defend net neutrality. It can happen again.

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Sunday, March 14, 2010

A minute slower

In my last post, I asked if Windows 7 boots slower than Windows Vista. It seems slow to me. So this weekend, I tried a few experiments with booting Windows 7.

First, a comment: I learned something when doing these boot tests. The more you boot Windows 7, the faster it boots. For example, in my tests, Windows prompted me for "control-alt-delete" to login after about 2 minutes. After a few tests of "boot, login, shut down, power on, boot, login, ..." Windows took less than a minute to prompt me to login. That's very interesting.

It's odd, but I suspect it's marking something as recently-used and is effectively able to "cache" stuff even though it's coming up from a cold boot every time. A neat trick - but if my suspicion is correct and Windows is relying on some flag to indicate something can be loaded without processing (or whatever it's doing) I wonder if this could be used to hijack a Windows system.

But let's get down to business - how long does it take Windows 7 to boot?

My method: Our desktop support folks at work installed my laptop with a "standard" image of Windows 7. It's the same config that just about everyone in our office uses for Windows 7. But I'm doing these boot tests when I'm at home, over the weekend. The system has previously been booted, so if there are any one-time scripts that the system needs to run, I suppose Windows has already done so.

I used a digital stopwatch to record my timings. To remove the question of how long it took the laptop to check memory (POST at boot) I always started the timer from the BIOS "select my boot device" menu, starting the stopwatch at the same time I hit Enter on the boot device I wanted. I'm most interested in how long it takes to boot the system (from BIOS), login, bring up Firefox, and display a web page (Google).

Here are the major milestones for Windows 7 (Dell D430, booting from the hard drive):
  • From BIOS to login prompt: 2 minutes, 3 seconds
  • Login prompt to desktop: +53 seconds
  • Desktop to web page: +15 seconds
Total: 3 minutes, 11 seconds

That means Windows 7 takes about a minute longer to boot, login, and get to work than Windows Vista - say, for the first time you login each morning.

From an earlier post, here are the times for Windows Vista (same hardware, same hard drive):
  • From BIOS to login prompt: 36 seconds
  • Login prompt to desktop: +42 seconds
  • Desktop to web page (Firefox): +46 seconds
Total: 2 minutes, 4 seconds

And to compare, the same for Linux (same hardware, booting from a USB flash drive):
  • From BIOS to login prompt: 40 seconds
  • Login prompt to desktop: +15 seconds
  • Desktop to web page: +12 seconds
Total: 1 minute, 7 seconds

To answer my question from the previous post: Is Windows 7 slow? The answer is definitely yes.

  1. It really is surprising how much slower Windows 7 is compared to Windows Vista. I didn't really believe all the hype about 7 being so much "leaner" than Vista, but I didn't expect it to turn out like this.
    That said, I'm not surprised at Linux's (Fedora 12?) speed.
    a Linux Mint user since 2009 May 1

  2. PV, yes I am running Fedora 12 on my USB flash drive. I (usually) bring this with me wherever I go. I find it comes in very handy, especially when I need to (quickly) boot my laptop just to find out where my next meeting is, or just to respond to an email.

    If I only have 5 minutes between meetings (say, when I'm away from the office) I really can't wait 3 minutes for my laptop to boot into Windows - so I just boot into Linux off my USB flash drive.

  3. Also thought I'd mention that Windows XP booted in about 3 minutes, 7 seconds, also on the Dell D430.

    So Windows 7 boots (and lets you get to work) in about the same time as XP. I'll call them even, since this isn't a very scientific measurement.

  4. I've had to install 7 for a few of my clients now and while the boot times are certainly not good, and just wait until you try installing a printer or something when you aren't connected to the internet, it does perform remarkably better than Vista on systems with less that 2GB of RAM. I've never figured out what Vista does with the RAM, since it doesn't seem to actually use it, but 2GB and higher is certainly the sweet spot for it.

  5. I'm not positive, but I think I've posted boot times on here before, but I couldn't find them. Thus all I can give you is my boot time for Windows 7. Mine agrees with yours in taking a bit.

    It was 3:55 from power on to a web page I selected being up, though this is a bit misleading; better would be to subtract 35 or 40 seconds. (I applied a bunch of updates during the previous shutdown, and it was doing more work on boot. There's also a few seconds of interactivity. I also have a think where it takes ~3 seconds for my BIOS to see my hard drives.) Here's the breakdown:

    0:21 I get my boot menu (and select Win7)
    1:06 Message about it doing configuring
    1:38 Configuring done, and user icons appear
    1:43 Hit enter on password
    2:13 Desktop up; I click on Firefox icon shortly after (I also get a message about Windows changing my virtual memory settings because the ones I set tell it to put the paging file on a drive that died about a week ago and is no longer present, and I haven't bothered to fix it)
    3:35 Firefox has appeared; I click on a link in the shortcut bar to the National Weather Service
    3:55 NWS page is up

  6. That's why I started my timing from the "select a boot device screen" (F12) on my Dell. It's after the POST, so my timings don't include anything from the BIOS. It's all Windows.

    I need to enter a password, and I still have to click the Firefox icon. But that's also the case for me in Linux, so it's basically a wash.

    Sounds like our boot times for Windows 7 are about the same, so that's good.

  7. Win 7 does boot slower than Vista on the machines I have upgraded. There is no denying this!

    To me Win7 seems to take longer on some things than it should, in general it is an improvement over Vista. But given how much hard earned you are expected to part with, it should be a damn side better than what it is.

  8. Hi, interesting post there.. im the opposite to yourself,

    Ive used all flavours of windows right up from the archahic Win 3.10. I have used linux too. I find that XP x64 is quite stable and has good support for ram etc, but im mostly a gamer, hence I use windows a lot. But I also do a lot of messing around with virtual machines, and clusters. I know linux is better for this..

    I notice that some linux live CD-Roms give you the option to load the whole thing to RAM, since I have nearly 16GB to play with and 8 cores, the load times are almost instant.

    However I am limited to 1500MB/sec on my ramdrive due to the fact im only using DDR2 at the moment. I cannot find a DDR3 serverboard yet... But it would be quite epic with dual quade core xeons.

    Anyway look forward to future posts. I notice your also from MK as well. :)

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Rick Moen rick at linuxmafia.com
Thu Sep 8 23:01:25 PDT 2011

Quoting Paul Zander (paulz at ieee.org):

> LMDE seemed like a good solution.

When you say 'LMDE', you're referring at this point to either of two
different default desktops, either GNOME or Xfce4 (in either case for
either IA32 or x86_64 CPU archs).

Personally, when I install Debian via any means -- or for that matter
just about any *ix -- I don't usually let the default 'desktop
environment' (if there is one) stick around for long, because I usually
prefer just plain Window Maker with no DE.  I happen to have a Debian
virthost with Xfce4, again, but that's an exception.  Anyway, the
foregoing's relevant to your 'slab' comment, I believe:

> 0) The “slab”.  Actually someone else pointed this out
> before I started.  I could have tolerated the slab if it was the
> only problem.

After a little Web-searching, I think I've identified what you're
talking about.  Linux Mint Debian Edition's _GNOME_ variant defaults to
a particular style of GNOME menus called 'slab-style', which is said to
be similar to that of MS-Windows.  Apparently, this is a huge point of
contention among bloggers and whatnot who editorialise about 'desktop
environments'.  Apparently, the term and the particular style originated
in SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10, which had for GNOME a
custom-written menu applet and application manager called Slab.
Canonical, Ltd. then adapted this codebase to the GNOME editions of
Ubuntu, creating 'USlab'
(https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-slab).  Linux Mint in turn
created a fork called (I think) MintMenu of USlab for its GNOME
editions, picture here:
http://deviceguru.com/files/mint-tweaked-desktop-3.jpg  (Ugh, very
Redmond, nei?)

Anyhow, the way the GNOME DE works is amenable to configuration and
change.  I consider the process a bit annoying, but then I consider
GNOME generally not my cuppa.  Some stuff about GNOME menu
configuration:  http://oreilly.com/openbook/debian/book/ch06_07.html

You might want to see if there's a package available called
'gnome-main-menu' -- or, for that matter, [anything-hyphen-]main-menu,
to see if there's an easy way to just flip the figurative big red switch
labelled 'Get rid of the darned Slab-style main menu'.

Me, I'd not have the patience for that, but instead kill the session
manager and delete /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager, then install
wmaker (Window Maker) and set /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager to it.
But our opinions presumably differ a bit.

(And I'll also mention, again, the LMDE variant that gives you Xfce4 by
default instead of their GNOME thing.)

> 2) /home.  The install phase for mounting partitions gave two
> choices: “mount as /” and “mount as /home��.  I
> wanted to use a different partition for /home, but then I couldn't get
> things to work.

Not sure what 'couldn't get things to work' means, specifically.
Your mountpoints should be transparent to user software.

> 3) Updates.  Synaptic appeared to be friendly...

Meh.  ;->

> ...but when trying to install various packages, it hit multiple
> obstacles for unresolved dependencies.

Nothing quite like apt-get for mostly intelligent dependency handling.

> Using apt-get directly didn't work, but at least gave
> error messages. I did a series of experiments with variations of
> `apt-get update` and 'apt-get dist-upgrade` to no avail.

Again, I have no idea what 'didn't work' means.

Before any Debian-ish package tools on the level of apt-get or
superstructures such as Synaptic can function, /etc/apt/sources.list
(or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*) needs to have useful contents.  That
should get populated during installation.

> Finally I gave up.  I downloaded and burnt a CD for Debian
> net-install.

Official Debian's netinst disc images are very useful and reliable.  I
nonetheless usually burn CD1 or DVD1 instead, on the theory that I'm
going to end up shlepping around a disc in any event, and it's more
likely to be immediately useful if it provides as many local package
options as will fit on the disc.

> Next, I referred to the list of packages I wanted to install.  All
> of them were already installed!  Obviously my thinking is more
> closely aligned with the Debian people than the Mint people.

Glad you liked it.  If you want the proprietary / patented codecs, AV
stuff, and the like that Linux Mint throws into the default install,
you'll be needing to take some extra steps to retrofit them, but, me,
I'm always right at home on a Debian-ish system regardless of which
installer was used to get it going.

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OSI, GAP, and "Exhibit B" licences

By Rick Moen

Years ago, at the very beginning of the dot-com era, I attended a series of workshops, hosted by OpenSales, Inc., on open-source licensing issues. Discussions were wide-ranging, but covered all of the major software-licensing issues that have hit Linux and open source over the past decade: licence combinatorics, the threat of software patents, trademark encumbrances, court challenges on various copyright grounds, the implications of future Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) measures in the hands of Hollywood and the recorded music cartels, and the much-discussed "ASP loophole".

The last of these was a new way firms can (from one point of view) subvert the intent of "copyleft" licences -- those that require people distributing modified versions and offshoots ("derivative works") to make their source code available: Application Service Providers (ASPs) run their applications behind closed doors, i.e., never distribute them, instead letting remote customers reach those applications remotely across the Internet. In that usage model, the ASP can fully exploit other people's copylefted code without needing to make their changes available to others. (Essentially, copylefted code's authors assumed that anyone would have to distribute their derivative works, to make use of the borrowed code, but this turns out not to be true.)

Years passed, and for a long time the ASP model had only very limited success. The "network computer", which has no independent local computing power of its own and just images remotely running apps, came and went, victim of performance and network-bandwidth problems and the relative low price of conventional PCs. (Sun Microsystems is still trying to sell the idea, as the SunRay product line.) Hosted Web applications were always said to be just around the corner, but never got anywhere until recently, with the rise of AJAX Web apps, a Javascript-based form of dynamic HTML that has made possible a large number of hosted "Web 2.0" services, and (mostly) aspiring young companies backing them.

You'll note that almost all of those -- Google Maps, GMail, Yahoo Mail, Google Calendar, YouTube, and so on -- all keep their program code entirely proprietary, although it's highly likely that they're building it on other people's open source (and probably, in many cases, copyleft) code.

A number of Web 2.0 firms, however, don't wish to cut loose from their open source roots, and (commendably) wish to have their offerings qualify as open source, but at the same time want to give themselves a business advantage over any commercial competitors reusing their published source code on competing sites. A couple of years ago, they found their chosen tool: An "Exhibit B"-clause modification to the Mozilla Public License v. 1.1 (penned originally by the SugarCRM company, then copied by an increasing number of others) -- dubbed by critic Bruce Perens a "badgeware" clause and by its proponents an "attribution" provision, requires any reuse or derivative work to sport the original sponsoring company's advertising logo on every single user interface screen. That was a couple of years ago.

One problem: SugarCRM and its imitators have been going around in public claiming to be open source, and in most cases strongly implying (or in some cases directly claiming) to be using a licence approved as open source by the Open Source Initiative (OSI), even though their licences fail a couple of the criteria that make a licence open source. Morever, they've been carefully avoiding submitting their modified-MPL licence to OSI's licence-approval process.

Aware of the potential for disastrous PR (from claiming to be open source when a firm really isn't), Web 2.0 company Socialtext employee Mitch Radcliffe wrote a somewhat more modest "Exhibit B" clause called the Generic Attribution Provision ("GAP"), and submitted it as a memo to the Open Source Initiative on November 13, 2006, asking that the OSI Board approve it as an addendum to "any [OSI-approved] 'modifiable' licence" as being compliant with the Open Source Definition. In doing so, Socialtext represents the interests of its own Web 2.0 hosted application under its own badgeware licence, and also by extension those of several other Web 2.0 businesses, all with "Exhibit B" licences: SugarCRM, Zimbra, Alfresco, Qlusters / OpenQRM, and Jitterbit.

So have (leaving aside newcomer Intalio) about a baker's dozen of other "Web 2.0" businesses seemingly not associated with the GAP initiative: Scalix, Terracotta, Cognizo Technologies / CATS, MuleSource, Communiva / Dimdim, Agnitas / OpenEMM, Openbravo, Emu Software / NetDirector, ValueCard / TenderSystem, Open Country / OCM Webmin Plus, 1BizCom, KnowledgeTree, and Sapienter Billing Software / Jbilling. The last of these, eyebrow-raisingly, is currently using the OSI Certified licence-certification program logo alongside its modified-MPL licence, a fact I've brought to the OSI Board's attention, on strong suspicion that corrective action is needed. [Late addendum: Just before press time, after receiving a complaint, Sapienter removed its unauthorised use of OSI's logo, but not its distortive claim to be using MPL 1.1, and to be open source.]

All of those firms are aware of having a potential perception problem, and have had private talks with OSI but have notably not submitted their licences for certification -- creating a situation where other firms have started to copy their arrangements without apparently being aware of the controversy.

That brings us to the present, with newcomer Intalio's press release (quoted by Linux Gazette author Howard Dyckoff in this issue's News Bytes column, claiming to be "open source" because they're in the middle of converting their Web 2.0 hosted Web application to MPL + GAP licensing. I began researching this article, which began as a footnote to Howard's news item, because the press release didn't seem right, and the further I looked, the more problems I saw.

By the way, I mean no disrespect towards Web 2.0 companies generally. In fact, Andrew C. Oliver of Buni.org has, to the great credit of himself and his firm, spoken eloquently against Socialtext et alii's GAP initiative, as clearly contrary to core notions of open source. (Oliver predicts that OSI will approve GAP or some similar mandatory-advertising proposal. I sincerely hope he is mistaken.) (As an aside, ZDnet columnist David Berlind has also written eloquently about the ethical questions surrounding "Exhibit B" firms, and the need to curb or at least resolve their misleading claims that their offerings are open source, when they are very much not.)

Socialtext's GAP clause is as follows:

Redistributions of the original code in binary form or source code form, must ensure that each time the resulting executable program, a display of the same size as found in the original code released by the original licensor (e.g., splash screen or banner text) of the original licensor's attribution information, which includes:

(a) Company Name
(b) Logo (if any) and
(c) URL

Yr. humble servant and others on the OSI's license-discuss mailing list found a couple of obstacles, one large and one small, with that proposal:

OSD #10 ("License Must Be Technology-Neutral") is the larger obstacle: "No provision of the license may be predicated on any individual technology or style of interface." GAP appears from its wording to permit creation only of derivative works having user interfaces, i.e., it prohibits reuse of covered code for daemons. Some online comments from some of the affected firms (though not necessarily Socialtext) indicate that this is the purport of that clause, and is a deliberate effect.

The lesser obstacle is that the OSI Certified approval process vets licences as OSD-compliant -- and Socialtext didn't actually submit one: As worded, Radcliffe's memo seems to say "Please examine all 58 OSI-approved licences to see which of them permit textual modifications, and then consider us to have asked approval for each of those that do, each one with our clause appended."

That procedural gaffe is not necessarily fatal to the merits of Socialtext's proposal per se, but does make it severely out of order as a licence proposal.

I should hasten to add that, as serious as GAP's problems are, all of the firms' in-use other badgeware clauses -- all but one listed on the same page as GAP -- have worse ones: Zimbra, Qlusters, SugarCRM, Socialtext itself, Alfresco, Jitterbit, Scalix, Terracotta, Coznito Technologies, MuleSource, Communiva, Agnitas, Openbravo, Emu Software, ValueCard, Open Country, 1BizCom, KnowledgeTree, and Sapienter Billing Software all require their company logos to appear on "each user interface screen" of derivative works, not just on some "splash screen or banner text". Further, each of those licences dictates an exact location and size where that logo much appear on "each user interface screen". Some of those requirements, rather comically for a would-be open source licence, make it physically impossible to comply if you have combined two codebases under the same licence: e.g., SugarCRM, Terracotta, MuleSource, 1BizCom, Sapienter Billing Software, and Socialtext specify "the very bottom center of each user interface screen", which obviously cannot be true of two logos at once. Moreover, through code reuse, derivative works risk starting to look like Nicholas Goodman's nightmare vision of "Exhibit B" logo requirements run amok.

In no way do I speak for Open Source Initiative, but I'd be extremely surprised if any of those licences as presently constituted, or the Generic Attribution Provision (as patched onto some subset of 58 extant licences) were ever approved by the OSI Board. Meanwhile, all 20 of the firms cited continue to claim in public to publish open source software despite having never submitted their licences to OSI for certification and the doubtfulness of their claim on its face.

(SugarCRM CEO John Roberts ignored my question of why, if his firm's licence is open source, the SPL FAQ claims its unlawful to sell works derived from it. Matt Asay, VP of Business Development for Alfresco -- and an OSI Board Member! -- similarly ignored my question of whether Alfresco would kindly suspend claims of being "open source" until its licence is evaluated, or at least commit to remove that claim if its application is declined.)

Socialtext even claimed last July that its wiki software, "Socialtext Open", was available under MPL v. 1.1, when in fact that is simply not the case. [Late addendum: Socialtext retroactively corrected that published claim just before press time, the second time I mentioned it on the OSI license-discuss mailing list.]

There may be a good-faith effort at dealing reasonably with the open source community somewhere in there, but it's late in coming and there's been recently not quite as much candour as one might hope. I would caution firms like Intalio from assuming they've truly gone open source, solely on account of Radcliffe's "submission" of GAP to OSI's Board, and never, ever trust that a licence is genuinely open source just because some Web 2.0 firm claims it is.

Bio picture Rick has run freely-redistributable Unixen since 1992, having been roped in by first 386BSD, then Linux. Having found that either one sucked less, he blew away his last non-Unix box (OS/2 Warp) in 1996. He specialises in clue acquisition and delivery (documentation & training), system administration, security, WAN/LAN design and administration, and support. He helped plan the LINC Expo (which evolved into the first LinuxWorld Conference and Expo, in San Jose), Windows Refund Day, and several other rabble-rousing Linux community events in the San Francisco Bay Area. He's written and edited for IDG/LinuxWorld, SSC, and the USENIX Association; and spoken at LinuxWorld Conference and Expo and numerous user groups.

His first computer was his dad's slide rule, followed by visitor access to a card-walloping IBM mainframe at Stanford (1969). A glutton for punishment, he then moved on (during high school, 1970s) to early HP timeshared systems, People's Computer Company's PDP8s, and various of those they'll-never-fly-Orville microcomputers at the storied Homebrew Computer Club -- then more Big Blue computing horrors at college alleviated by bits of primeval BSD during UC Berkeley summer sessions, and so on. He's thus better qualified than most, to know just how much better off we are now.

When not playing Silicon Valley dot-com roulette, he enjoys long-distance bicycling, helping run science fiction conventions, and concentrating on becoming an uncarved block.

Copyright © 2007, Rick Moen, rick@linuxmafia.com.

This article was first published in issue 134 of Linux Gazette, January 2007.


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[linux-dvb] Where should firmware files stay?

Xavier Santana xsantana at slash-solutions.com
Wed Mar 16 17:46:55 CET 2005

Nico Sabbi wrote:

> Hi,
> Where should firmware files reside?
> Yesterday, using a stock, I tried to load the firmware
> of  tda10046 after having saved the file in
> /etc/dvb
> and /usr/lib/hotplug
> but dmesg always complained that the driver couldn't load the file.
> Thanks,
>    Nico
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
If I'm not wrong (don't know if there's any change for that kernel version), firmware is loaded using hotplug. For me, the file should be located in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/
Nevertheless, I guess it depends on the linux distribution or the hotplug version, so take a look to /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent to be sure where hotplug wants the firmware file to be.

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Thomas Pinz dc2rpt at gmx.de
Tue Apr 8 20:46:38 CEST 2008

Hi Paolo,

On Tuesday 08 April 2008, Paolo Pettinato wrote:
> The vendorid:productid codes are 8086:9500. On "Device Manager" it is
> listed as "CE6230 Standalone Driver (BDA)". On its properties, it says
> that it's manufactured by Realfine Ltd and is on Location 0
> (CE9500B1).

CE6230 is a demodulator of Intel
(http://www.intel.com/design/celect/demodulators/ce6230.htm) . Its seems to
be a successor of the Zarlink MT352/MT353 (Intel bought Zarlink some time

So you should have a look on the 352/353 drivers, maybe there are some

What tuner is inside ?

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cell Tower Broadcast
From: Jim Brown <>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:43:27 -0700
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On 5/28/2012 4:38 PM, Gene Fuller wrote:
> I don't like having the gov't tell me what I can or cant do when I'm not
> endangering others.

Jim Lux got the point. You did not, and neither did several others.  The
TV news program was NOT about individual liberty, nor was it about
government over-reaching, nor was it about anything political. It was
NOT about government regulations, it was NOT about you and me climbing
our towers, or hiring someone to do it. It was NOT about broadcast tower
work. It wasn't even about traditional 2-way tower work.

  It was about BIG companies screwing over little people who were out of
work, down on their luck, so desperate that they will take really
dangerous jobs for $10/hour. And it's about those big companies using
various legal tricks to avoid their responsibility for those people they
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Point does not keep out of troublesome overlays

From: David Kastrup
Subject: Point does not keep out of troublesome overlays
Date: 23 Oct 2001 00:32:59 +0200

This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation,
not to your local site managers!
Please write in English, because the Emacs maintainers do not have
translators to read other languages for them.

Your bug report will be posted to the address@hidden mailing list,
and to the gnu.emacs.bug news group.

In GNU Emacs 21.1.1 (i586-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars)
 of 2001-10-22 on tupik.goethe.zz
configured using `configure  --prefix=/usr/local/emacs-21'
Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: en_US.ISO8859-1
  locale-coding-system: iso-latin-1
  default-enable-multibyte-characters: t

Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug:

Emacs is supposed to keep the cursor out of displayed images (as long
as disable-point-adjustment and global-disable-point-adjustment are
non-nil).  This works for text properties, it does not work for

Evaluate the file sent within.  Use cursor left to walk over the
images.  The second image "blocks" while the cursor moves through the
overlay, the first image "teleports" the cursor across in a single

Attachment: bug5.el
Description: Overlay images not subjected to point-adjustment

This is important for me: any notion of changing this?

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Re: Options menu

From: Lennart Borgman
Subject: Re: Options menu
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:51:55 +0100

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eli Zaretskii" <address@hidden>

> > Most applications I use on w32 have a "View" top menu.
> This was considered when the menu bar was restructured in preparation
> for Emacs 21.1.  The conclusion, IIRC, was that View is generally
> inappropriate in a text editor, because it is not a program whose
> purpose is to show you something, in which case View selects what
> details you are being shown.

I think that "View" here mostly is a synonym for "Appearance". In for
example Firefox View menu the main items are:

    Toolbars, Status Bar, Sidebars;
    Stop, Reload;
    Text Size, Page Style, Character Encoding;
    Page Source, Full Screen.

So if that was the reason not to have a View top menu then it might be time
to rethink?

> When Emacs 21.1 was released, many users complained about the changed
> menu-bar structure, even though the new structure was generally
> better, certainly more standard-compliant, and had many useful
> additions.  Still, they complained.  There's a lesson to be learned
> here, IMHO: significant changes in the menu bar should only be done
> for a very good reason.

This can be compared to that users of the perhaps most common office
software suite said that the restructuring of the menus in the different
applications to make them more similar was one of the things they liked the
best in the 2000 release. They all have a View top menu now.

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[mythtv-users] Scientific Atlanta 2100 IR port

Elanor jamina1 at gmail.com
Tue May 15 19:43:05 UTC 2007

While looking (unsuccessfully ) for a firewire input on the back of my
cable box, I noticed a plug marked IR. It looks similar to a port on
the PVR-150. Doing some quick google searches led me to find out that
the plug on the Cable box is for an IR blaster to control a VCR or
My PVR-150 came with a remote receiver/IRblaster cable that plugs into it.
Is it possible (where do you find 1/8" dual ended cables though??) to
plug the cable box directly into my PVR-150 and use my cable box
remote to control my mythbox?

= Elanor Matheson =
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[mythtv-users] BD ISOs

Robert McNamara robert.mcnamara at gmail.com
Mon Jan 31 19:21:02 UTC 2011

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Steve Harrington <
steve at the-harringtons.org> wrote:
> Hi -
> I did some Googling on this and I found this thread:
> http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=37015&highlight=blu-ray+iso&page=6
> that seems to suggest the libbluray can now parse ISOs.  If this is
> true, would that mean that a future version of MythTV would also have
> this ability?
No.  Libbluray still has (and likely will not have) the ability to open
ISOs.  Myth's copy of blu-ray is kept up to date with the current upstream
version at all times.

XBMC likely uses libudf to open the file structure and present a virtual
mounted filesystem to libbluray.

Patches for this would be welcome and appreciated, too.

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RE: Shadows and Borders

From: Adam Meyerowitz
Subject: RE: Shadows and Borders
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:02:11 -0400

At 08:52 PM 9/11/00 -0400, Feinberg, Matthew wrote:
There's nothing built into FreeType that I know of, if that's what you
mean.  IIRC, there was some talk a while ago on the list about stroking
glyph outlines -- you might try searching the mailing list archives, or
maybe someone else on the list can help.

What exactly do you mean by stroking the glyph outlines?  I have implemented
shadowing and bordering before using glyph bitmaps but I don't think it is the
most elegant way, or maybe it was.

Basically I use a second buffer and for each pixel do a shadow or border.
For a border I move up and to the left border pixels and then draw a filled rectangle border*2+1 wide and high. Then I combine both buffers (the glyph and the border buffer) to make a single bordered character buffer. For a shadow I basically do what
you mentioned for each pixel and then combine the two buffers.

This might be the only way, but I thought there might be some other more interesting

Thanks for the response,

As for shadows, it depends what kind.  The easiest thing is to draw the
text twice.  First draw it in either a dark color or with alpha blending
(or both) to get the shadow, then draw it again in the foreground color
to get the text.  You want to apply some kind of transformation to the
shadow when you draw it so it's not covered up by the text :o)  The
simplest thing is to just to translate the shadow-- draw it a pixel or
two off to the side and down, then draw the text on top of it.  With the
right transformations you could probably also create other kinds of
shadow styles.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Meyerowitz [mailto:address@hidden
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:01 PM
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Shadows and Borders
> Sorry if this is a repost.  I am not sure it got around.
> Hello All,
> I am new to this list so excuse me if this has been asked
> before.  Is there
> any mechanism to add
> shadows (extrusions), and borders to rendered glyphs.  If
> there isn't, are
> there any know algorithms
> that can do this efficiently.  I would consider coding them
> up if there are.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Adam

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[All] To build a better music player

Tobias Diedrich ranma+openmoko at tdiedrich.de
Fri Jan 16 08:16:50 CET 2009

Dylan Reilly wrote:
> Audio Player
> ------------
> When I started my quest, there was no music player that met my needs.
> The two that were close were pythm and mokoko. Mokoko has more
> potential, I believe. However, it has (had?) issues resuming from a
> suspend (crucial for me). That seems to imply an issue with gstreamer
> - which it utilizes for playback - and that is something I do not want
> to bother fixing. So, for the short term I turned to pythm and began
> hacking away at it. The following is a list of changes I made to the
> 0.5.1 version:

If the sound does not restart playing on resume, it's likely an
issue with the ALSA output driver of gstreamer.
MPlayer and Pulseaudio had problems with that in the past, but were
If it's that, you just have to fix the error handling so that if ALSA
returns -ESTRPIPE you call snd_pcm_resume();
(Maybe check for snd_pcm_state() == SND_PCM_STATE_SUSPENDED first)

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] html->mediawiki
  • From: Martin Lasarsch <mlasars@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:28:41 +0100
  • Message-id: <200611061128.41462.mlasars@xxxxxxx>

On Monday 06 November 2006 03:56, Rajko M wrote:
> On Sunday 05 November 2006 13:33, jdd wrote:
> > I just found this on the mediawiki mailinglist:
> >
> > http://diberri.dyndns.org/wikipedia/html2wiki/index.html
> >
> > jdd
> Now I got to learn how to use it, and world was so simple with a bash.
> Have you installed it? Tried it?

I used the perl module for the sdb conversion. Yes, it works but i had to
write a script around it to convert also the special cases we had in the sdb
(we had some special tags and for the interwiki links). If you have a lot of
existing html pages you want to wikify it's worth a look.

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[plt-planet-announce] Updated PLaneT package: bzlib/dbd-spgsql.plt for 4.x

From: PLaneT (planet at racket-lang.org)
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This announces the availability of an updated package from PLaneT:

Name:            dbd-spgsql.plt
Package version: 1.3
Owner:           bzlib

Package Description

Wraps around SPGSQL so it can be used with bzlib/dbi.

Use PLT Scheme version > 4.0 as v4.0 has the Internal PLaneT error: trying to install already-installed package bug, which will prevent your SPGSQL installation.

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0.4 (1 3) - fix the sql-date->date issue.

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0.2 (1 1) - now creates implicit stored procedure and no longer uses SQL escape

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Re: Formal definition of HTML5 (was Re: Version information)

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:23:08 +0000 (UTC)
To: Henrik Dvergsdal <henrik.dvergsdal@hibo.no>
Cc: public-html@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0704131018030.22769@dhalsim.dreamhost.com>

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Henrik Dvergsdal wrote:
> On 13. apr. 2007, at 11.05, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > > How will the HTML5 language be formally defined?
> >
> > It's currently formally defined using English prose.
> But there will eventually be a formal language definition right? I mean

Anyone is free to implement formal language definitions, but I see no
reason to make one more "official" than any other. Reference
implementations are often a source of bugs and constrain the development
of the specification in ways that are artificial and unrelated to the
needs of the users and authors ("we can't require that, the grammar
couldn't express it").

> - you cannot validate documents against english prose.

Sure, you just have a conformance checker that implements the prose. For

There's no need for an officially blessed non-prose formal language
definition to do that; indeed having one would likely introduce problems
-- for example, DTDs have caused a long legacy of people "validating"
their HTML4 documents while missing entire classes of conformance errors,
because DTDs are completely unable to ascertain conformance of many things
(e.g. complex attribute value syntaxes).

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Re: About using CORS

From: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:47:54 +0900
To: "John Hudson" <tiro@tiro.com>, "public-webfonts-wg@w3.org" <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org>, "Sylvain Galineau" <sylvaing@microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <op.vbuvlxtp64w2qv@annevk-t60>
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:28:29 +0900, Sylvain Galineau
<sylvaing@microsoft.com> wrote:
> WOFF and this WG exist because fonts are not 'like images'. The same
> argument was made to argue that raw fonts is all that should be needed.

Indeed, I'm not convinced it has been proven otherwise. The existence of
the WebFonts WG does not demonstrate that in one way or another I think.

> Until the realities of HTTP compression and the aim to maximize web
> author choice - beyond free fonts and dedicated proprietary obfuscation
> services
> like TypeKit - meant that this just wasn't true in practice.

HTTP compression works just fine for fonts. That font vendors are willing
to license fonts with this new format which offers no protection in
practice is surprising, but maybe it makes it worth the effort.

> For a bunch of reasons - some technical, some not - this resulted in a
> new cross-browser format and other related implementation decisions. For
> specifically, I understand the main motivation was security. Fonts
> include small bits of code (opcodes actually) and thus do not have quite
> the same
> security surface as an image file. Also, fonts have generally not been as
> actively targeted for exploits as other resource formats; it thus seems
> reasonable to assume the underlying decoders to be relatively less
> hardened than, say, the latest PNG decoder.

This is just plain FUD. If font resources are insecure that is a problem
regardless of whether font loading has a same-origin limitation.

> That most font licenses require same-origin is an added benefit in
> support of Mozilla's choice that fits well with the broader motive.

It does not fit at all with how same-origin restrictions have been
determined and applied so far.

Anne van Kesteren
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Slow DTD delivery

From: Olle Olsson <olleo@sics.se>
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:04:15 +0100
Message-ID: <4D652FFF.8090608@sics.se>
To: site-comments@w3.org

When fetching contents from w3.org, the latency experienced is not
really any problem.

Except when trying to fetch some HTML DTD. This is really slow, and
sometimes the time-out limit in a browser can be surpassed, which means
that the browser regards the server site as not responding.

To better understand these symptoms: ...

  - is there a special w3 server dedicated to common DTDs, and this
server has recently become overloaded?
  - is it a load-balancing issue?
  - or is it the effect of some platform resource usage policy?

It is interesting that DTD should not be any serious bottleneck. They
have a fairly long valid duration -- e.g. for html4/loose.dtd   a header
says "Expires: Tue, 24 May 2011 15:21:41 GMT".

The trigger for this question was when a user called the Swedish Office
to ask about "why Internet Explorer could not deliver a page (from
somewhere.com) because the loose.dtd could not be found". I did look
around, and that was when I became aware of the dtd delivery delays.

Olle Olsson   olleo@sics.se   Tel: +46 8 633 15 19  Fax: +46 8 751 72 30
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Versioning Namespaces

From: Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 23:19:08 -0700
To: "Julian Reschke" <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, <w3c-dist-auth@w3.org>
Message-ID: <FFEPLLNFAHGBKNENFGPAOEDODDAA.dennis.hamilton@acm.org>

Gee, Namespaces are versioned all of the time without breaking any existing code.  I didn't mean to suggest obsolescing anything, only that it is useful to speak in a way where a new URI might be usable for a *later* namespace.  The existing namespace URI would still work, and refer to the current namespace.  A future namespace might have the current one as a proper subset and that would work too, even though there is a different URI for it.

I realize that there are DAV headers for this, as part of feature coordination and leveling, It is often handy to also rev the namespace for anything specific to the use of XML.  For example, with the SOAP XML binding to HTTP, a closer analog to WebDAV, I would think, the SOAP 1.2 Recommendation establishes a different namespace than is used for the SOAP 1.1 level, and the SOAP 1.2 specification deals with how to deal properly with SOAP 1.1 as a legacy.  This supports the versioning of XML Schema definitions too, since XML Schema definitions tend to be targeted to specific namespaces.

So I wasn't anticipating any kind of versioning of namespace URIs that would break compatibility with or even usage of the current specification.  I see it as keeping a namespace stable and known, whether or not it is a proper subset of a future one.

Namespace versions will already have to be dealt with when properties, for example, are taken from other XML-mapped vocabularies, such as Dublin Core, which has a specific namespace for its current 1.1 level of element definitions.  Something like that will doubtless happen with RDF, if it isn't underway already in Friday's Last-Call Working Draft documents.

Having said that, I am not wedded to the idea. I was just suggesting a way of speaking that would allow for specific-namespace versioning with minimal editorial impact in future revisions of the DAV specification.  I assume that 2518bis is far enough along that one would not want to mess with it.  In any case, it is an editorial nuance, nothing substantive.

I do think of namespace versioning as a key provision for preservation of interoperability over time, like versioning COM interfaces (and their UUIDs), and never changing them.  Or providing for versioning in Java package names.  Or even like W3C specification URLs where you can refer to a specific edition or simply the current latest of the progression.

-- Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.reschke@gmx.de]
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 04:04
To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org; w3c-dist-auth@w3.org
Subject: RE: How to use DTDs, or not to (was: RE: ACL and lockdiscovery)

Comments inline...

> From: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org
> [mailto:w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Dennis E. Hamilton
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:45 PM
> To: Julian Reschke; Lisa Dusseault; 'Geoffrey M Clemm';
> w3c-dist-auth@w3.org
> Subject: RE: How to use DTDs, or not to (was: RE: ACL and lockdiscovery)
> ..
> 1.1	I find it better to refer to the "DAV namespace" or "DAV
> namespace URI" rather than the "DAV: namespace" especially
> because namespaces are often versioned (rather than revised [;<),
> so the identification in XML will be with different URIs over
> time.  Ditto for the lock-token namespace.
> ..

Well. There are no plans to change the namespace URI for DAV:. Doing that
would be an incompatible change breaking all existing code (see for instance
how XSLT deals with versioning).

[ ... ]
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Re: Simplicity of Authoring and Accessibility Tools

From: Lakespur Roca <lake@netscape.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:20:51 -0800
Message-ID: <3A68A1A3.5080103@netscape.com>
To: David Poehlman <poehlman1@home.com>
CC: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org

David Poehlman wrote:

> see comments in line below.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lakespur Roca" <lake@netscape.com>
> To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Cc: "WAI Interest Group (E-mail)" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Simplicity of Authoring and Accessibility Tools
> Something we should all remember here is that the Web is not just
> liberating for the disabled but for the masses. Ann, you should
> not only be commended for your bravery in supporting the general
> user but for putting up with the insensitivity of some on this
> list.  Yes the majority of people misunderstand the medium and
> they will continue to misunderstand it, associating it with things
> like print, that they are familiar with. Strangely, print is what
> Xerox and Apple based some of their first wisiwig interfaces on
> that made the computer so ubiquitous and usable for so many
> people. And again print in part by this same use of metaphor lead
> the way to making the web so valuable as a communication tool.
> dp: It could as easily have gone another way had they not wedded
> it to print and the web for me was becoming quite useable before
> the invasion of the gui concept.

Yes, it could have easily have gone in another direction than print but
not just any direction. It had to have resonance and meaning for the
users. And though the web was becoming quite usable for you there were
millions of people who found it daunting, intimidating and unusable for
daily tasks. Pre GUI the web/internet was a play ground for academics
and computer enthusiasts rather than Joe the real-estate agent, or
Martha the product manager.

>  Yes there is lots of room for improvement but we should be wary
> of the one step forward two steps back possibility.
> Changing the tools to create proper HTML and making Style sheets
> work in wisiwig editors will be much easier than changing the
> majority of people.
> dp: "if you build it, They will come!"  Aren't you likely to
> change the people if you change the tools?  those who resist the
> changes needed now will still resist the changes and so will not
> use the tools if they can doge them.

If this were true not one would be using the computer. Resistance is not inflexibility nor is change necessarily progress. Change the tools in a way that is counter productive and you get the effect you described. i.e. using a metaphor of the internal combustion engine for a main stream computer application. Most people don't know how it works and though they drive a car, most don't care to know how internal combustion works.

>   Web page authoring and browsing should be achievable by every
> one even my 5 year old  and I would not expect him to understand
> HTML or it's philosophy to create a web page of art and comments
> on his favorite things for his class mates and family. As Ann
> pointed out the web is becoming a great education tool for schools
> and the younger grades are still learning to read should we expect
> them to know html and the philosophy behind it to achieve
> something accessible. I don't think so. I do however agree that
> HTML is not very difficult to learn neither is reading or
> multiplication tables yet some still struggle with it.
> dp: and some still struggle with driving. I don't think anyone is
> advocating that access be denied.  I do think however that a lot
> of early intervention is needed.
> I know no beast exists yet. But that doesn't mean you can't work
> toward the goal with diligence.
> Charles it rather sounds like you feel that this is wrong. I don't
> really think that you mean that only people who understand should
> be allowed to use this medium. Some learning disabilities make it
> very difficult to comprehend abstract concepts I don't think they
> should not be allowed to publish a web page. Please clarify.
> Anne Pemberton wrote:
> Charles, Some counties may indeed have the structure you prefer in
> place. Ourtaxes are very low, so people end up wearing two or more
> hats. We use whatwe have available. But, I suspect you will be
> equally horrified to learn that the state ofVirginia has as one of
> its instructional standards (for technology) that byeighth grade
> each Virginia student will have created their own web page. AnneAt
> 08:32 PM 1/18/01 -0800, Charles F. Munat wrote:I'm especially
> horrified to learn that the county where Anne works letspretty
> much *anyone* post to their official site. I think that there is
> amisunderstanding among many laypersons that the Internet is kind
> of like akiosk. You just post any old notice on it.
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Re: Anyone use Frontpage?

From: Randal Rust <randalrust@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:37:35 -0400
Message-ID: <a9caffe50509270837311cdb1a@mail.gmail.com>
To: "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

On 9/27/05, Stuart Smith <Stuart.M.Smith@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:

> accessibility and usability

<snip />

> are part and parcel of being a true professional web developer/designer.

And I agree with that. But those are by-products of correctly
implementing HTML and design guidelines, which really don't have
anything to do with whether or not anyone uses Frontpage, or considers
it to be a professional software solution.

Randal Rust
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[css3-exclusions] wrap-flow:minimum?

From: Alan Stearns <stearns@adobe.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:19:55 -0700
To: "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CBC47A3B.D14D%stearns@adobe.com>
Hey all,

The current editor's draft of Exclusions includes wrap-flow:maximum [1]
that allows you to put inline content on the side of the shape with the
largest available space for each line. If, for instance, you had a
diagonal shape running from the top left to bottom right, inline content
would start flowing on the right side of the shape until some midpoint,
then continue flowing on the left side of the shape. This property is
mainly meant for cases where it's not clear where the shape will be
relative to the inline content, and you want to give the largest possible
measure for the inline content to flow.

Since we have a maximum value, should we also include minimum? Once you've
implemented maximum it's trivial to add minimum as well, and there may be
uses for wrapping on the smaller side. I think I'd rather have both in the
specification to make sure we haven't locked authors out of a case where
they need minimum. Unless I hear arguments against, I'll add it in.

[1] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-exclusions/#wrap-flow-property
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  • Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:38:12 +0200

> Does XSchema handle 'redefinition' of schema either entirely or partially?
> I would like to see each XLF log source redefine their schema from time to
> time to reflect changes.  XSchema can handle this, it would be great.

I'm not sure I understand the question.  Do you mean, can you change your
content models and so on and have XSchema automatically resolve the differences
based on which version of the file you're reading and which version of the
XSchema you're using?  If so, XSchema doesn't handle this, but it's an
interesting idea.  I think that architectural forms do handle this.

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Databases do not always contain the full-text of items they index, however; some databases only include article citation information, subjects, and abstracts. In such situations searchers wishing to retrieve the full text must search for a copy in another database, find the call number for a print copy in the stacks, or obtain the item via interlibrary loan. An OpenURL system can greatly assist with these steps.

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Facebook Yoga Instructor Fired After Demanding Cell Phones Be Shut Off — Is It Fair?

Yoga Instructor
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Yoga is meant to be a relaxing and purifying activity, one whose entire purpose can be disrupted by things like cell phones. California yoga instructor Alice Van Ness had one critical policy for her students: turn the cell phones off.

She began teaching a weekly yoga class at Facebook and installed the same policy. When one employee ignored the request, Van Ness offered a look of disapproval and was swiftly dismissed by the fitness contractor for whom she worked. The person she stared down apparently complained about her actions.

The old adage that “The customer is always right” applies here.

Van Ness’ former employers at Plus One Health Management claimed in her termination notice that “we are in the business of providing great customer service. Unless a client requires us to specifically say no to something, we prefer to say yes whenever possible.”

The company also claimed that this Facebook incident was one of many instances of strict behavior on Van Ness’ part. She was also fired from a similar gig at Cisco; while there, she had asked an employee not to take photos during an in-session class.

Van Ness’ reply? “Hello! This is only Facebook. We’re not talking about the US government here. We’re not talking about Russia is about to bomb us. We’re talking about Facebook. Something can’t wait half an hour?”

Van Ness believes that reading an email is not as as important as understanding your body, but apparently, at a tech company, workers can’t put aside mobile devices, even for 30 minutes. Van Ness said that these corporate gigs were difficult for her anyway, since the employees were fidgety and distracted. “The culture of these places is to let them do whatever they want,” she said. “And I’m just not really okay with anarchy.”

She continues to teach at other studios in Northern California.

While we understand that by their very nature, tech company employees have a need to keep their phones close at hand, it defeats the purpose of offering a yoga course, since it teaches one to purify and block out external distractions. It feels a bit extreme for her to have been fired for trying to create a calm, serene and peaceful atmosphere for others taking her class.

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More than 50 adults and children donned costumes, brought pumpkins and used them as they went through a series of exercises at the Oct. 26 Pumpkin Boot Camp at Arapahoe Community College.

“This is fun,” Tammy Moore said as she took part in the event. “I joined the fitness program and lost 60 pounds. It is a great way to make friends and today, I’m just having fun.”

This is the seventh year ACC and Camp MisFits has sponsored the event. Those attending were urged to “Be a Rock Star” and some of the costumes include Sonny and Cher and Cyndi Lauper.

Special activities were set up for the children, and each adult was urged to bring a pumpkin weighing six to 10 pounds that would be part of the exercise program. The pumpkins were lifted and swung around during the routines.

Patricia Jackson Peters had the most unusual pumpkin, as hers was in a can.

“I didn’t have a pumpkin and the can is light, so it’s easier to exercise with,” she said. “Besides, I had to be a bit of a smart aleck.”

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Monday, November 07, 2011

Movie Monday 11/7

We had a busy but very nice weekend.  My dad and his wife were visiting from out of town this weekend.  It was good to see them, as always, a bit tiring, though they are easy guests.

Jamie actually played soccer on Saturday!  Only the third time this season.  When he plays, he's been playing the back defensive line so he doesn't have to run as much, but the coach put him on the front line as striker for a few minutes, and he made an awesome goal!!  We were so happy for him - he was on top of the world.  Yes, he has paid for that exertion a bit, though he did make it to school today.  He's feeling crashed tonight, so we're going to watch a movie and chill out....

OK, I'm back!  So, movies...a kind and generous friend read here recently that Jamie was enjoying the X-Men movies, so they lent us a trio of X-Men movies, and we have watched two so far:
  • Thursday evening, we watched X-Men, which I guess was the original movie of the series.  I didn't think I'd enjoy this, but I have to admit it's pretty good.  It's classic good guys versus bad guys during a time in the future when there is a growing population of "mutants," people born with special powers.  Some people fear all mutants and want them rounded up and locked away.  The X-Men are a group of mutants who have banded together to teach younger mutants and to try to keep the world safe and peace at hand.  It was engaging, with lots of action and adventure.
  • Tonight, when Jamie decided he was too crashed to do any homework, we watched X-2, the sequel which follows the story as the lead bad guy (a mutant himself) launches an evil plot to get rid of all humans so the mutants can take over.  Some of the backstory and convoluted plot are a bit confusing, but we figured it out and enjoyed it.
Have you seen any good movies lately?

(If you are also interested in what we are reading this week, check out the Monday post on my book blog.)

  1. That's so great to hear that he got to play and even score a goal! Hooray!

    I watched You've Got Mail with a few friends recently. I almost always enjoy Tom Hanks in movies and the story line made me want to go find a little mom-and-pop bookstore to shop at. Over all a nice movie! (Though, it is more of a chick-flick. lol)

  2. No movies for us this week...although I watched part of a new Hallmark movie in the Jeanette Oke series. Low key and stress free :)

  3. I got to see Dolphin Tale and it was great!! I highly recommend

  4. Glad you had a good weekend. Sounds like a nice visit and so happy that Jamie could play! The treasures that make our lives full!

  5. I just watched Lincoln Lawyer. I think you would enjoy this as a family. Good plot, interesting characters, great plot twists, good acting. Basically a legal who done it.

    Glad you are enjoying X-Men. I liked the series and my favorites are the first and last movies.

  6. Sarah -

    You've Got Mail is one of my old favorites! I enjoy Tom Hanks movies, too - we all do.

    Renee - Low key and stress free sounds just right!

    Keena - We haven't seen Dolphin Tale yet, but it looks great!

    Thanks, Elaine!

    Baffled - Ken and I watched The Lincoln Lawyer a few weeks ago and really enjoyed it. You're right - the boys probably would have liked it, too.

  7. Anonymous8:09 PM

    You should definitely tell Jamie to watch X-Men: First Class next. It's an awesome movie! And tell him congrats on the goal!


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Jane Addams Homes – Chicago IL

“In 2006, a cross-section of Chicagoans came together to preserve and transform the only remaining building of the historic Jane Addams Homes on the Near West Side. The three-story brick building at 1322-24 West Taylor opened in 1938 as the first federal government housing project in Chicago. It housed hundreds of families over six decades, and has sat vacant since 2002.

The Jane Addams Homes was one of three demonstration projects in Chicago built under the Public Works Administration Act, which was created to provide jobs and help revive the Depression-era economy. Designed by a team of architects headed by John Holabird, the buildings were named after the Nobel Prize-winning founder of Chicago’s Hull House. Jane Addams Homes not only provided housing, but also offered child care, employment counseling and a variety of other pioneering social services.”

A local non-profit plans to turn the remaining building into a National Public Housing Museum, in order to “create a place for social reflection, public dialogue, and education for the future.”

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Volunteers from GE Aviation mixed concrete and leveled support posts as they installed new playground equipment at Stepping Stones’ day camp for children with disabilities.
The camp, which opens its 51st season on Monday, June 9, serves more than 400 children, teens and young adults each summer at locations in Indian Hill and Batavia.
The equipment is part of a playground upgrade grant from the Hatton Foundation, providing new play structures and equipment at the Given Campus on Given Road in Indian Hill and the Allyn Campus at Camp Allyn in Batavia.
GE volunteers have been assembling and installing the playground equipment, erecting unit site tents and spreading mulch for the camp opening.
Stepping Stones is a United Way partner agency serving more than 1,000 children, teens and adults with seasonal and year-round recreational, social and educational programs. Besides the signature summer day camp, Stepping Stones has overnight camps and weekend respites, a year-round adult day program, Step-Up autism education serving students from 14 school districts, and Saturday Kids Club and Saturday Young Adults Club providing extracurricular activities during the school year.
The summer day camp serves ages 5 to 22 with children’s and teen programming. Volunteers can act as camp buddies and help with camp activities including swimming, boating, fishing, crafts, music, sports, sensory activities and dramatic play.
Foundations supporting Stepping stones’ summer camp include the Luther Foundation, Toyota, Autism Speaks Baker Camp Scholarship, Cincinnati Dreams Come True, YOT-Full Circle Foundation, United Way, Greater Cincinnati Foundation’s Summertime Kids, Moeller Magnified Giving Program, and an anonymous foundation in Dayton, Ohio.
For information on camp or volunteering, see web site www.steppingstonesohio.org or call 513-831-4660.


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[LCL02] Minus – 95 / July 2010

Juggling easily with bass, glitch and synth funk reworked live, Minus has been present on the Romanian scene for the last 5 years with music ranging from Game Boy tunes to dub, hip hop, skweee or even to psychedelic improvisations along Ion. He released 3 EPs at the Romanian netlabel Arhiva 7 and had notable performances at Red Bull Music Academy and Sonar 2010.

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High Definition Music:

“18 minutes of pure blissed out sample magic disco hop dubbed out extravaganza that shapes a distinct and personal sound outlining a sense of humour similar to Mr. Scruff and Mylo.”

Red Bull Music Academy Radio:

“Even Einstein could figure out that this computer programmer from Bucharest has collected way more musical power-ups than your average beat maker …”


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Tag Archives: Reduction in Force

Education job loss numbers, Part 2

In Part 1, I addressed the NC Department of Public Instruction (DPI) survey of education position loss and Reduction in Force (RIF).  In this post, I will discuss the data. There are multiple discrepancies between the survey data and other statistical resources published by DPI. 1. Reduction in Force (positions that were filled when eliminated)Continue Reading


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Summer memories

by Peter C., 26 year old Pharmacy student & fashion blogger from Zagreb, Croatia

24 comments · 2 · November 20, 2011

Peter C. - Tom Ford Shades, Hugo Boss Scarf, H&M Disney Tee, Burberry Bag, Hugo Boss Desert Boots - Summer memories
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  1. Disney tee

    , in H&M Shirts
  2. Desert boots

    Hugo Boss

    , in Hugo Boss Boots

Hey guys! Hope you're all good!

It's so cold here in Croatia that I crave for the summer temps, clothes and overall atmosphere..
So here's one oldy but goodie :)

It was actually shot in Vienna this summer, we were chillin' all day :)

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Darya Kamalova
amazing t-shirt! you are sooo beautiful <3
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Rio A. Prasetyo
i love the pants! :)
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CM Fabian
I love every piece in this fabulous look!!!! Awesome!!!!!!!!!! =)
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Aleksa Marić
I just love this town, especially that place - in the middle of Hermes and Cartier!
Love your Tee and colour of the pants is great!
Peter C.
vidim da jako dobro poznaješ beč, to mi je kao drugi dom. najdraži grad na svijetu! i to mjesto posebno, preko puta je Starbucks :))
Gree :)
The whole outfit looks so fun!:)
You are so cute!;)
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Clemente Al dente
Vienna rulez! Big up
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Adrian Rubio
love it you outfit
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Daniel Butter
yeaa i like it maaan
we should make a shooting together if u are some times again in vienna!
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u allways have my hype!
Peter C.
I was in Vienna two days ago, but only for two days. next time I'll contact u :)

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OT: Buying a Chapman stick

One of my best friends/band members is going to take the plunge into the
of the Chapman Stick.  Any advise?  Would there be problems with a used
instrument?  Are they impossible to set up?  She's also a woman, and has
smaller hands than most men, but she has no problems getting around on a
classical guitar.  Could this be an issue?  She also is looking for
someone to
give her lessons in the SF bay area.  Her email is: schenk@psy.ucsf.edu

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Chilly Temperatures

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Scattered Showers, Chilly Temperatures Expected Across SoCal

Widely scattered showers are forecast across the Southland Sunday as daylight saving time came to an end.

Josh Rubenstein’s Weather Forecast (January 25)

It’s another pleasant day on tap for Southern California! Aside from some high clouds passing over the ridge of high pressure, we will see above average conditions Tuesday.