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China Trips - Chinaspree

12 Day Classic China & Tibet Highland (2015)

12 Days from only $3199
Beijing, Xian, Chengdu (Panda Base), Lhasa, Tibet

What's Included

Roundtrip non-stop flights from San Francisco (SFO), Houston (IAH) and New York (JFK) to Beijing
All Intra-China flights, ground transportation and transfers
Comprehensive private sightseeing tours and evening shows including entrance fees
24 bountiful meals including 10 American buffet breakfast, 7 lunches and 7 dinners (subject to change depending on China internal flight schedule)
Comprehensive private sightseeing tours and evening shows including entrance fees
Exclusive Culture InSites Programs featuring people to people experience and insider's perspective of local culture
Professional service of an expert Tour Director throughout from Beijing to Lhasa (for group of 10 or more)
Professional local guide in each destination city
Baggage handling service throughout China
China Tour Itinerary

China Map
Day 1: Depart USA
Your exotic journey to China begins as you board China's national airline, Air China non-stop flight bound for Beijing. En route, cross the International Dateline and lose a day. You'll recover this day on your return trip.      (IM)
Day 2: Beijing
Arrive in Beijing in the late afternoon. Meet your local representative and transfer to your hotel in the heart of Beijing. Your hotel is conveniently located near the Chang An Avenue, along which are Beijing's major shopping malls, upscale restaurants, and tourist attractions. Relax and enjoy the evening in China's historic and vibrant capital city.      Marriott Beijing City Wall
Day 3: Beijing
After a hearty breakfast and a tour briefing, you visit the Tiananmen Square. At 100 acres, it is the world's largest public square, flanked by an assortment of historical buildings, huge museums and Communist monuments, including Mao's Mausoleum. One visitor has written, "An army could be massed, and all the kites in the world could fly." You roam the Square; and walk through the Gate of Heavenly Peace, under the famed portrait of Chairman Mao, to enter the Forbidden City, the symbolic center of the Chinese universe and a lasing monument of dynastic China, from which 24 emperors of the Ming and the Qing Dynasties ruled the Middle Kingdom for nearly 500 years (1420-1911).

Completed in 1420, the Forbidden City, a UNESCO World Heritage Site, is the world's largest palace complex and China's most magnificent imperial architecture, consisting of many buildings with 9,999 rooms, on a 250-acre compound, protected by a 20-foot-wide moat and a 32-foot-high wall. Now known as the Palace Museum, the Forbidden City was the exclusive domain of the imperial court and dignitaries where outside visitors were forbidden for 5 centuries. Here you will explore the imperial treasures in the grand palaces and pavilions, exquisite courtyards and gardens in what was once the residence of China's rulers.

Afterwards, join our Culture InSites™ Program for a rickshaw ride along Old Beijing's Hutongs (narrow ancient alleys) to discover the sights and sounds of local Beijing life in these traditional Chinese neighborhoods. See the locals as they go about their daily activities; and tour the maze-like alleyways and courtyard houses before it's gone forever. Highlights include visits to a traditional courtyard home, to a local market, and a leisure walk along the ""Lotus Lane"" lined with bars, restaurants and tea houses. This unique tour features a delicious lunch served at a local family home with a Chinese dumpling-making demonstration.

Return to your hotel for some free time in the afternoon. In the evening, we are gathering for a welcome dinner of a specially prepared meal of Beijing Duck, cooked to crispy perfection.      (B,L,SD)
Day 4: Beijing
A memorable day awaits with an excursion to the Sacred Way of Ming Tombs and the Great Wall of China at the less-visited Mutianyu section.

After breakfast, you take a drive to the northwest of Beijing to visit the Sacred Way of Ming Tombs, regarded as China's finest example of imperial tomb architecture. Situated in a peaceful valley, the site was chosen by the Ming emperors as their burial place for its auspicious Fengshui alignment—a ridge of mountains to the north cradles the tombs on three sides, opening to the south and protecting the dead from the evil spirits carried on the north wind. Here you will walk along the elegant Sacred Way that leads to the tombs. Beginning with a grand marble gateway more than 400 years old, the long avenue is lined with 36 massive stone sculptures of officials, lions, elephants, camels and mythical beasts.

Lunch stop at a local jade workshop, afterwards, you take a scenic drive through the countryside and mountains to reach China's most renowned monument—the Great Wall. Since the Great Wall is the single greatest attraction of China travel, we take you to the less-visited and more original Mutianyu section and try to avoid other sections which are the most accessible and consequently the most crowded.

The wall was begun in the 5th century BC to keep out foreign invaders. Construction continued for centuries, eventually linking up the walls of the former independent kingdoms. The Great Wall meanders through China's northern mountain ranges from the Yellow Sea to the Gobi Desert—a distance of over 3500 miles! Chairman Mao once said "You haven't walked on the Wall, you haven't been a good Chinese".

And today, you'll not only visit the Great Wall, but experience it in more ways than one—Learning some of the fascinating history and legend of this engineering marvel, riding a gondola up to the highest point for panoramic views of this ancient edifice, exploring its impressive watchtowers, ramparts, carriageways at your own pace, or, hoping on a toboggan for an exciting ride down the curvy path. Today is a highlight of your China trip.      (B,L,D)
Day 5: Beijing - Xian
In the morning, you visit the Temple of Heaven, the largest temple complexes in China and a paradigm of Chinese architectural balance and symbolism. One key element in China's architectural genius was the blending of the monumental with the delicate, and the Temple of Heaven is perhaps the finest expression of this mixing of near opposite.

During each winter solstice, the Ming and Qing emperors would perform rites and make sacrifices to Heaven praying for good harvest for their empire. The most striking edifice is the Hall of Prayer of Good Harvests, which according to the emperor's Fengshui masters, is the exact point where heaven and Earth met. Built in 1420 (without the use of a single nail), this masterpiece of Ming architecture, features triple eaves, dramatically carved marble balustrades, and gorgeous glazed azure roof that symbolizes the color of heaven. This 120-foot-high structure is fixed by four inner pillars represent the seasons, and two sets of 12 columns denote the months and the traditional Chinese division of a day.

Time permits, you take a photo stop at the Bird Nest and visit the exterior portion of this huge complex—the main stadium of 2008 Beijing Olympics. In the afternoon, you tour the idyllic Summer Palace, once the summer retreat and playground for the imperial family and royal court during the late Qing Dynasty. Considered the finest Chinese imperial garden, the Summer Palace spans over 700 acres with breathtaking views, temples, pavilions, palaces and halls including the lavishly painted "Long Corridor". It is most associated, however, with the Empress Dowager Cixi who paid for the extravagant Marble Boat with funds meant for the modernization of the Imperial Navy. Weather permitting you enjoy a dragon boat ride across the picturesque Kunming Lake.

Later, transfer to the airport for a flight to Xian to experience the historical side of your China trip. Located in the Yellow River Basin in China's heartland, Xian is one of the birthplaces of civilization. It has seen 3,100 years of development and 11 dynasties, giving it equal fame with Athens, Rome and Cairo as one of the four major ancient civilization capitals. Xian reached its peak during the Tang Dynasty at 10th century with a population of one million and is rich with cultural and historical significances.      Sheraton Xian North City  (B,L)

Day 6: Xian
Today's excursion will take you to modern China's greatest archaeological discovery—The Terra Cotta Warriors and Horses, which silently guarded the tomb of China's First Emperor for over 2,200 years. In 1974, a local farmer uncovered the first of three massive earth and timber vaults, while digging a well. The extensive excavation, still in progress, has yielded over 6000 life-sized terra cotta warriors, each individually sculpted, with the physical characteristics of the humans they were modeled after. Archers, infantrymen, horses and bronze chariots have also been unearthed, but it's only a fraction of the total buried there to protect the tomb of the first Qin emperor. A Circle Vision documentary is available on site. Lunch at a local restaurant and see a noodle making demonstration.

Today's Culture InSites Program will offer you a rare opportunity to witness a real rural life at a typical village in central China. You visit a Yao Dong (Literally an arched tunnel)—a typical cave dwellings that stretches across six provinces in north central China. The Yao Dong is caves dug into mountainsides with a signature arched front. Usually, one family unit consists of three arched openings, and the units are interconnected inside. The center cave can be termed the living room, which includes a stovetop cooking area. The two side caves are sleeping quarters. Outside of the cities of this region, some 90% of the rural population used to live in yaodongs. Time permitting, you'll also enjoy a chance to shop for ancient Chinese furniture or paintings.

Tang Dynasty (AD 618-907), traditionally regarded as the golden age of China, was a time of patricians and intellectuals, Buddhist monks and Taoist priests, poetry and music, song and dance—a period of peace and exceptional creativity lasting 300 years. This evening, you attend a feast of culinary and cultural delights with a special Dumpling (dim sum) banquet followed by a fascinating Tang Dynasty stage show. Indulge yourself in this remarkable show and reinvent your China dream with a travel back in time to the world of China's Golden Age, then come back to the present with a greater understanding of this amazing time.      (B,L,SD)
Day 7: Xian - Chengdu
In the morning, you fly to Chengdu, the capital city of China's most populous Sichuan (Literally, Four Rivers) Province and home to China's most notable Sichuan cuisine. With 2,500 years history, Chengdu has managed to preserve some of its older characteristics and traditions, and today you still find famous teahouses, numerous markets and some of China's the most interesting and spicy food. No visit is complete without a meal in a local Sichuan restaurant. The cuisine is spicy, and peppercorns and chilies abound, but often in a surprisingly subtle way. Whether it's hotpot, meat or a vegetable dish, your mouth will water and your taste buds tingle with delight.

Upon arrival, you enjoy a rare opportunity to visit the Giant Panda Breeding Research Center to witness the conservation efforts being made to save this endangered species. The center is the largest giant panda reserve in the world. Whenever China dispatches its animal ambassadors to zoos around the world, they have usually started their life in Chengdu. Eighty percent of the world's 1,000 remaining giant panda reside in Sichuan Province. It's no surprise the Chengdu center is heavily involved in their preservation and research. Today you will see a dozen of pandas wandering through a sizable domain of bamboo groves and forest. There is also a panda museum that has detailed exhibitions on panda evolution, habits, habitats and conservation efforts. You are also allowed to make intimate contact with baby pandas and hug them for a photo. Giant Panda is officially considered the national treasure by Chinese government and is often used to cultivate relationships with other countries with panda diplomacy. This massive ecological and zoological park offers a wonderful chance to get face-to-face with China's gentle giants. There are other rare species at the base, including the little-known red panda.

Chengdu has long been famous for its steamy teahouses, where locals recline on bamboo armchairs, play mahjong and meet with friends. For a relaxing afternoon with our exclusive Culture Insites Program, you sample a Sichuan style afternoon tea with locals in one of the many traditional bamboo teahouses scattered in parks across the city. You can while away an afternoon sipping tea and watching the locals read newspapers, play Sichuan opera, debate, play chess, cards, and mahjong. You may even be invited to give it a try yourself. Chengdu is commonly regarded as the most laid back city in China and today's visit gives you the answer why. This unique experience concludes at the Park of Riverview Pavilion set along the river. Check out the ancient Chongli Pavilion dedicated to the 9th century poetess Xue Tao with its striking ornaments, green glazed tiles and red lacquered columns, surrounded by over one hundred varieties of bamboo. A leisure walk in the serene bamboo forest is an experience not to be missed.

After dinner, you will be offered an opportunity to attend an optional performance of "Changing faces" at the 200-year-old Sichuan opera. Full of local color and flavor, Sichuan Opera, is a combination of music, comedy, puppets and acrobatic performances, including Changing Face, Spitting Fire and Bowl-lamp Rolling. The opera is performed in old halls or courtyard buildings and is a feast for the eyes.      Chengdu Minshan Hotel  (B,L,D)
Day 8: Chengdu - Lhasa
Today takes us on a spectacular morning flight over the Himalayas to Lhasa, Tibet, the roof of the world at an altitude of 12,000 feet (3,700 m)! En route, enjoy the stunning views of "the hundreds of snow peaks in all directions" as we fly over the great White citadel of Minya Konka at 24,783 feet, the impressive 25,439-foot Namcha Barwa, the easternmost rampart of the Himalaya, and the Hengduan Range and the deep, gloomy valleys of three Asia's greatest rivers: the Mekong, the Salween, and the Yangtze.

We land at the Gongkar Airport, greeted by your Tibetan guide and take a scenic drive to Lhasa, capital city and spiritual heart of Tibet. Stop en route to take a peek at the Tibetan villages; and make photos of the Tibetan houses, yaks, Buddhist carvings, and the remarkable landscape of streams and snowcapped mountains. Lhasa means "country of the gods" and it rose to prominence as an important administrative center in the 7th century AD, when Songtsen Gampo, a local ruler in the Yarlung Valley, united Tibet, and then moved his capital to Lhasa and built a palace on the site now occupied by the Potala. During his reign, the temples of Ramoche and Jokhang were also established to Buddha images brought as the dowries of Songtsen Gampo's Chinese and Nepali wives.

Spend the rest of the day at leisure to acclimatize yourself to the high altitude of Lhasa (11,796 feet). Later in the afternoon, your Tibetan guide will enlighten our group about Tibetan history and folk customs, followed by an insightful visit to a local Tibetan family home where you have a people-to-people experience with the Tibetans and enjoy their home-made yak-butter tea. This evening, join your fellow travelers for a welcome dinner.      Four Points by Sheraton Lhasa  (B,D)

Day 9: Lhasa
An unforgettable day begins with a tour to the monumental Potala Palace whose imposing presence dominates the entire region. Built at an altitude of 12,000 feet (3700 meters), on the side of Marpo Ri in the center of Lhasa Valley, the Potala Palace has vast inward-sloping walls broken only in the upper parts by straight rows of many windows, and flat roofs at various levels, giving it an appearance of a fortress. Once the residence of the Dalai Lama, and the seat of the Tibetan government, the 13-story structure has been a museum since the spiritual leader went into exile in 1959. The palace complex includes the White Palace, which was built for secular uses and contained the living quarters of Dalai Lama, offices, the seminary and the printing house. A central, yellow-painted courtyard known as a Deyangshar separates the living quarters of the Lama and his monks with the Red Palace, the other side of the sacred Potala, which is completely devoted to religious study and prayer. The Red Palace, hosting the sacred gold stupas—the tombs of eight Dalai Lamas, consists of a complicated layout of many different halls, over 10,000 chapels and libraries, and a labyrinth of mysterious dungeons on many different levels with a complex array of smaller galleries and winding passages. Of particular note is the rich gold and jewel-encrusted stupa containing the mummified body of the Fifth Dalai Lama. This stupa was built of sandalwood and was remarkably coated in 3,727 kg (8,200 lb) of solid gold and studded with 18,680 pearls and semi-precious jewels. It took 7,000 workers and 1,500 artists and craftsmen more than 50 years to build the adjoining White and Red palaces. Perched on Red Mountain, the Palace offers sweeping views of the city and the surrounding immense peaks that are as extraordinary as its interior.

Lunch at a local Tibetan restaurant, followed by a visit to the Sera Monastery, one of the most important centers of the Yellow Hat sect and also a pillar of the theocratic state. The history of the monastery is strongly connected to Master Lama Tsongkhapa (1357–1419), the founder of the Yellow Hat, the much venerated and highly learned guru in Buddhist scriptures. Ordained at the remarkable age of three, he traveled widely to study with his era's greatest teachers and to train thousands of monks. Sera Monastery features three monastic colleges, which served in past centuries as magnets for thousands of monks who traveled from all over Tibet to study, train, and mediate. In the Tibetan language, sera means "wild rose garden." The monastery earned the name for the opulent wild roses that grew all around the site centuries ago. At its peak, the monastery was the home for more than 7,000 monks. While the numbers of roses and monks have diminished with the passage of time, the monastery and its grounds have only increased in cultural significance and emotional power.

The highlight of your trip to the Sera Monastery is a debating session held between the monks, that attracts pilgrims and visitors alike. The debate among monks unfolds in the presence of their teachers, with a very well set rule of procedure for the defender and the questioners. The tradition of such debates is traced to the ancient â€˜Hindu Orthodoxy' in India and this practice permeated into Buddhist orthodoxy in Tibet in the eighth century. Such debate is integral to the learning process in the colleges in the Sera Monastery and it facilitates better comprehension of the Buddhist philosophy to attain higher levels of study. This exemplary debating tradition supplemented with vigorous gestures which enliven the ambience of the occasion, is said to be exclusive to Sera Monastery. Visitors also attend to witness these debates that are held as per a set schedule, every day in the Debating Courtyard of the monastery.      (B,L,D)
Day 10: Lhasa
Start your tour in the heart of the old city at Jokhang Temple, the most celebrated temple in Tibet, which was often referred to by early Western visitors as Lhasa's cathedral. Throughout the day and night, Jokhang Temple attracts pilgrims from all over Tibet, who are often seen in full prostration on their hands and knees in reverence to one of Tibet's most sacred sites. Thousands of yak-butter candles flicker inside beneath the enlightened gaze of the golden Jowo Shakyamuni, the seventh-century Buddha statue that the temple was built to house.

Proceed to the Bakhor Street, the Pilgrim's Circuit and Lhasa's oldest market. With its narrow, cobblestone streets lined with kiosks, thangkas, and prayer wheels, this colorful shopping area is full of activities with monks chanting, vendors selling their wares, yak butter wafting in the air and hundreds of pilgrims moving in a clockwise direction. Much has been changed in Tibet in the past few hundred years, but the Barkhor still has the air of a medieval bazaar. Bargaining for typical Tibetan goods and getting to know the proud, red-tasseled Khampas from eastern Tibet, the monks, and enjoying bantering with the astute and engaging merchants of this bit of old Tibet—this experience is unforgettable.

Continue to the Norbulingka, the former Summer Palace of Dalai Lama, for a leisurely afternoon visit. The largest and grandest garden of the Tibet Plateau, it is a masterpiece of Tibetan art and covers an area of 89 acres with an audience chamber of bright murals depicting events from Tibetan history, from the tilling of the first field to the building of the great monasteries.      (B,L,D)
Day 11: Lhasa - Beijing
Bid farewell to Tibet as you are transferred to the airport for a flight to Beijing. Upon arrival, transfer to your hotel and enjoy the remainder of the day at leisure for independent exploration.      Marriott Beijing City Wall  (B)
Day 12: Fly home
In the morning, you are free to pack, to relax, or to do some last-minute shopping. Then you transfer to the airport for your home-bound flight. You will arrive in U.S. later today.      (B,IM)
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  • Additional Costs: China visa processing fee, add-on airfare from your home city to Air China gateway (SFO or JFK) where applicable, optional travel insurance is additional to the tour fare. The gratuities of $10 per traveler per travel day to cover your tour guides, drivers, and porters are recommended and are at your discretion.
  • Houston Departure: Air China flight from Houston (IAH) to Beijing arrives at 5:00 am on Day 2. Since the universal hotel check-in time is 2:00 pm, you cannot check-in until afternoon; breakfast on Day 2 is not included. But you can leave your baggage at the hotel and claim it when check-in later. We strongly recommend that you buy a pre-arrival hotel stay on Day 1 which is $140 double occupancy ($180 triple occupancy) per room night including buffet breakfast on Day 2. By doing so, you can check-in as soon as you arrive in your hotel. Pre-trip hotel booking must be arranged when you book the tour and is subject to availability.
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I was recently challenged to translate the following sentence from English into Chinese:

You should stay away from that bar. A friend of mine went there before, and he ended up in the hospital after one drink. We think they put fertilizer in the margarita mix to save costs.

I provided two translations:

  1. 你不要去那个酒吧啊！我朋友以前去过一次，才喝一杯酒就被送到医院去了。我们认为酒保为了省钱就把肥料放进玛格丽特混合物里！

  2. 你最好别去那个酒吧！我的朋友去过一次，喝了一杯酒就必须住院。我们想酒保因为要省钱的，所以就把肥料放进玛格丽特里。

Question (Request): I'm wondering if a native Chinese speaker could do the following: (a) correct grammatical errors in each of the above translations; (b) make the translations sound more natural; (c) provide your own translation of the challenge sentence.

If you could explain your thinking behind the corrections (i.e., what was the grammatical error; what sounded unnatural; why did you choose to translate as you did) that would be even better. Feel free to write this explanation in Chinese or English; I can read Chinese far more easily than I can write it.

Also, please do not hold back with your criticisms/corrections.

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Overall both translations are fine and fluent, with some small issues below:

Grammatical/Syntactic issues:

I think there is only one issue, in (2) 我们想酒保因为要省钱的. Either use 要省钱 as verb (i.e. remove 的), or use 要省钱的 as adjective (i.e. add 是 before 要).

Semantic issues:

In (1), margarita mix is translated into 玛格丽特混合物. In Chinese, people don't refer food/drink mix as 混合物. You can either just say 玛格丽特, or use the uncommon but well-understood word 混饮.

In (2), "ended up in the hospital" is translated into 住院. 住院 means hospitalization (overnight), while "ended up in the hospital" might be just seeing the doctor. It's fine if 住院 is deduced from contexts not shown in the question.

In both sentences, 酒保因为要省钱，所以... sounds a little weird, because 因为..所以 not only states causality, but also has a weak implication that the reason is valid, as if "if the bartender is poor, it is right for him to adulterate the drink." Using 为了 is much more idiomatic, e.g. 奸商为了赚钱，良心都不要了。

Also "they" in the last sentence is referring to the bar as a whole, not just the bartender, so 酒吧 would be more accurate than 酒保.

Idiomatic/Naturalness issues:

In both translations, 我们认为酒保.../我们酒保... 认为 sounds too formal; 想 sounds unnatural since 我们想 usually means "we want to...". 我们觉得 or 我们猜 are better options.

My version:

Notes on word choices:

  • 最好 is optional. With it the tone is softer and more suggestive.

  • 别 vs 不要: people tend to use 别 in Northern China and 不要 in Southern China. Both are correct and natural.

  • 省钱 vs 节约成本 vs 降低成本 vs 赚钱: 省钱 is fine but a bit strange (what money is being saved and why, the ultimate goal is actually 赚钱 not 省钱); 节约成本 is a commendatory word so inappropriate (not a problem if you say it automatically in colloquial language); 降低成本 is clear but too neutral to condemn the misbehavior; 赚钱 is the best fit and indeed the most common word to describe a profiteer's motivation.

  • 酒 vs 玛格丽特/玛格丽特酒: 玛格丽特 seems redundant because it is irrelevant to the point. The line sounds more fluent without it.

  • 把A放进B vs 在B里掺了A: former seems to imply intentional poisoning; latter is a common phrase to describe adulterated product especially food/drink.

  • 肥料 vs 化肥: they are essentially the same, but when put side by side, 肥料 focuses on nutrition value while 化肥 focuses on chemical ingredients, hence 化肥 sounds more inedible and toxic.

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Yes. Exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks again! –  user2251 Jan 1 '13 at 23:57
I would think they in the last sentence is referring to the bar as a whole, which usually imply the boss/owner, not the bartender. Maybe use 酒吧(the bar) instead of 酒保(bartender). –  John Siu Jan 2 '13 at 2:30
@JohnSiu good point. Will update the answer. –  NS.X. Jan 2 '13 at 3:36
我觉得应该说“在玛格丽特混饮中掺了化肥”。不能因为所谓“流畅”而丢失原文的信息。况且这么说也不失流畅，更不存在“redundant”, "irrelevant"一说。 –  shuangwhywhy Mar 9 '13 at 17:04
@shuangwhywhy I agree that usually it's inappropriate to judge the original text in a translation task, however, due to the nature difference between the languages, there are always tradeoffs. In this answer, I favored authenticity (making it sound like native speaking instead of translated foreign language) over accuracy because I think that's what the question is about. If you feel differently, you are welcome to provide another answer:) –  NS.X. Mar 10 '13 at 21:50

My translation:

Notes: 1. 你可别去那个酒吧 sounds stronger than 你最好别去那个酒吧. 2. 我一朋友 is more colloquial than 我的一个朋友. 3. 进医院了 means "end up in the hospital (because of sickness)." 去医院 just means "go to hospital," and it may not necessarily infer "to see a doctor."

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Dec 8, 2006 09:43 PM

How do you nacho?

Aside from the usual cheese, guacamole, sour cream, chili, salsa combo of one sort or another, what do you put on your nachos?

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  1. layer, beef, cheese. chips, and salsa, then on top guacamole, more beef, cheese sour cream cilantro, tomatoes and green onions. Lots of cheese, jack and cheddar both. but sprinkle mexican queso on top when done/oh almost forgot the jalapenos!

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    1. re: chef chicklet

      Is that a casserole or a lasagna? :-)

      Sounds great.

    2. I do them the old un-evolved way the way my parents did them. Cut fresh corn tortillas into wedges and quickly pan fry until crisp. Top each wedge with a good sharp cheddar and a pickled jalapeno ring.

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      1. re: Candy

        I'm a nacho purist, too. Quality chips, sharp cheddar & pickled jalapenos. If I ever add anything, it will be finely diced fresh summer tomato sprinkled on top maybe with a little cilantro and sweet Vidalia. Okay - I guess that's almost salsa, huh...

        1. re: queenie

          Yeah the rest of the evoved toppings kind of turn what was something simple in to 1 layer chilaquiles. Not nachos.

      2. A scattering of black beans. Makes it healthy, no?

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          1. re: Glencora

            If you are looking for a healthy alternative, skip the nachos and have some watercress

          2. scarily enough, yesterday I fell to my desires and had Nachos from 7-11 with jalapenos and can I tell you it still takes the cake of any elaborate homemade nacho concoction.

            It's that scary nacho cheese that comes from the machine. You know that that stuff is kept at a dangerous temp, optimal for bacteria breeding.

            But I can't say no. Next time I'll get it with the machine chili.

            1. Spread a layer of chips on a big oven-proof platter. Next, a generous amount of shredded cheddar. Add another layer of chips and cheese, and add sliced jalapenos, and some cooked spicy ground beef, leftover carnitas, or shredded BBQ chicken. Bake at 400 for about 10 minutes. Garnish with scallions and cilantro. Serve with sour cream, salsa, and guacamole.

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              1. re: Rubee

                I use the broiler so the cheese browns & crisps

                1. re: Rubee

                  This is how I make mine. Cheers to ya.


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Dec 19, 2007 11:35 AM

Happy Robbins? Happy Robin's?

I've been talking to a coworker about a place he loved as a kid in Bayside, Queens, called Happy Robbins (or Happy Robin's, Happy Robbins', or some other variation) but I haven't been able to find any further information about it. Does anyone remember HR (and what it was actually called) and can you tell me about it?

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  1. Happy Robin was a wonderful burger and steak family-style restaurant on the corner of 217th St. and Hillside Avenue in Queens Village. I grew up in the neighborhood and our family used to go there at least once a month. It was a wonderful place with great steak cooked on a huge open hearth for under $6 a steak as I remember. That shows you how long ago I am talking about. I would imagine that Happy Robin shut its doors in the early 1970s if not before. Wonderful memories.

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    1. re: bobbyrab

      Thanks so much for the backround, bobbyrab! I haven't been able to find anything about this place, and your info is great. I really appreciate it.

      1. re: LoDega

        yes,....I grew up at 210th and Hillside. Happy Robin (or ? The Happy Robin) was alone in a residential stretch on Hillside with an almost fast food exterior, that was remodeled in the early '70's I think. Don't know when it closed. Good grilled steaks as stated. ...other notable eateries in that area from that era - Bruno's luncheonette at 214th and Hillside, Jay's Diner at Francis Lewis Blvd and Hillside, Goody's Luncheonette also there, Salvatore's Pizzeria at 202 and Hillside and Gaby's Pizza (? still there) in the Francis Lewis shopping center.

        1. re: jkny

          Correct name: "The Happy Robin". It was actually my father's place. It was a family style restaurant located on the corner of 217th street and Hillside Avenue (currently a burger king franchise). He started the business in the late 60's and ran it until the early 80's.

          A lot of local kids worked there and a lot of locals ate there. To this day people often recognize my father from the restaurant. The menu was simple, steaks(T-Bone), hamburgers (large and thick), deep fried chicken, fillet of sole. The food was grade 'A' and always fresh. Open flame grilling for the meats, broilers for the fish. Clean high grade vegetable oil for the deep fryer made for famously delicious french fries. Self serf style, no waiters/waitresses. Customers went up to the counter ordered food and were given a ticket. When the food was ready, a call went out over the P/A. He spent a lot of time there ensuring good clean food for a lot of patrons. There was a back room for birthdays and party's where we spent nearly all of ours.

          My father also had an ice cream soda shop called "Milk Mate" on Francis Lewis Blvd and Willets Point Blvd. (currently a McDonald's) where he sold milk shakes in the early 60's. Every once in a while he still gets a hankering to open up a fresh ice cream parlor.

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            Thank you so much for this wonderfully informative post. :-)

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              Nice post ren hoek – makes me wish the DeLorean’s flux capacitor was in working condition.

              1. re: ren hoek

                hi , i was born down street from ps35 in the 1950's . i remember going to happy robins before i moved to michigan in 1961. i didnt remember it as the happy robin . but i did love tghe place. wasnt there 2 at one time?

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                  Thank you so much, ren hoek! I'm glad I checked back. Those sound like terrific places, and I wish I'd been to both.

                  1. re: ren hoek

                    I write creative memoir, and the detailed history of your dad's restaurant helped me greatly. One thing: I distinctly remember being at The Happy Robin in 1964 and earler, and yet you say your dad started the business in the late '60s. Again, thank you so, so much for your history; my story is all the better for it!

                  2. re: jkny

                    Dont forget Perriwinkle fish restaurant....

                2. re: bobbyrab

                  i lived next door to happy robbins. 88-15 217 st. they use to give me free food when i was a kid. actually happy robbins shut its doors in the mid 80's after they closed their doors Roy rogers took its place.


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Mar 15, 2008 06:16 PM

hook'd on fish - encino

Has anyone tried this relatively new fish place?

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  1. We've been for lunch several times and like it. Most of the dishes are healthy and the fish seems fresh, but they also have some fried choices. My favorite is the blackened salmon wrap.

    1. I've actually become addicted to this place!! I was so bummed when Rubio's shut down, and even more so when I found out that it would be replaced by a place called Hook'd on Fish. HOWEVER, this place is awesome. The fish is so fresh and flavorful, and healthy too. My current favorite is the Cajun Soft Tacos...mmmmm.

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      1. re: preggers

        My husband and I go there all the time. Healthy, quick and fresh. It is great for take out or dine in. Nothing fancy but great for a weeknight dinner.

      2. Agree with other posters. It's pretty good. I like their rice pilaf.

        1. I've been there several times. I always get the salmon, and I prefer the Virgin Mediterranean sauce to the Kicken Cajun.

          This restaurant emphasizes the healthy aspects of their food, yet they peel the potatoes and serve white rice instead of brown.

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            1. re: SIMIHOUND

              Hook'd on Fish is located in the same shopping center as Aaron Brothers in Encino on Ventura Blvd. It is on the 17200 block of Ventura Blvd. They took over the former Rubio's. I think it is still called the Town & Country Center.

          1. This is good to know, i've been wonderintg!

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              Tried this place out yesterday for the first time. Good stuff. I tried the grilled cod with rice and had the garlic sauce. Im gonna try the wraps next time.


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Nov 8, 2008 10:26 AM

[San Antonio] Fine Dining & More [Long]

It had been many years, since we were last in San Antonio. Back in the mid-‘70s, we spent many wonderful days there during Fiesta Week. We’d usually get the Rex Allen Suite at the Gunther Hotel and partake of the various events and parades. Then, we moved to Colorado and only drove through San Antonio, usually just to dine at La Fogata. Last week, we were heading back for the first real visit in decades. I made a request for info on fine-dining,, and got several recommendations.

We only had two nights of dining on our own, as we had events that we needed to attend, so I narrowed down the recommendations to two: Le Rêve, and Las Canarias, These two were chosen, based on the recommendations, on their menus and their proximity to the Marriott Riverwalk, where we were staying.

San Antonio had changed. The Gunther is now a Sheraton, and looks like it’s had another major renovation, since we last stayed there. Do not know if the Rex Allen Suite is still in existence, but hope so. The Riverwalk has expanded greatly and some places that we knew are gone. Many, many new ones have been added. The Riverwalk was definitely a vibrant place, though there is a decided wealth of mid-level dining locations. Judging by the crowds, these seem to be what most tourists are seeking, so I guess that the city is doing something correctly. Back up at street level, some things do not seem to be going quite as well, especially when one gets only a couple of blocks from the River Center development. Still, the Riverwalk was very busy and most of the restaurants there seemed to be filled.

Now, for the reviews:

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  1. Le Rêve:

    Le Rêve, 152 E. Pecan St (Historic Exchange Building), phone: 210-212-2221. Wine list: We started out early for our 6:00PM reservations and began walking along the Riverwalk, taking in the changes, and finding a few things that we remembered. We had a map of the area and it looked like we could just walk to Pecan St and then pop up to street-level. As we made the final turn, more or less heading north, we were on the eastside of the river. Things were changing a bit from the hustle and bustle of the areas closer to the Marriott. We got to Travis Street and I knew that Pecan St was coming up. When we got below the Pecan St bridge, I had an idea that the attractive balcony above our heads, with the awning, was Le Rêve, and it turned out to be. However, the only stairs leading up were on the westside of the river, not the eastside. We walked on for a few blocks, hoping to get up to street level. It was looking bleak. We headed back to Travis St and took the stairs there, only having to do about 3 blocks to 152 E. Pecan. I realize that all of the natives knew that we were on the wrong side of the river, to do what we wanted, but to a couple of tourists, we had to deviate a bit.

    Just before our reservation, we arrived and were shown into that enclosed balcony, that we’d seen from below. Maureen Weissman, wife of the chef, Andrew, greeted us, and we were promptly seated in the dining room at a nice four-top, along the west wall.

    The room is small, with about 14 four-tops. Two were pulled together for a larger party. At this moment, most were empty. The kitchen is partially open and was across the room from us. The color scheme is a slightly greenish taupe with several very nice and colorful pieces of artwork displayed on the wall. The lighting is a bit of a mixed bag. There are recessed “can lights” in the high ceiling, three largish, slightly odd hanging fixtures and some track-spots over the artwork. Most of the can lights were turned off. Luckily for us, we still had late afternoon light coming through the shades on the west wall. It seemed that the best lighting on the tables was along the north wall, where the artwork was located. The general ambient lighting from the can lights in use was fine, but the lighting on the tables (except those on the north wall) was too dark. One of our servers offered a flashlight to read the fine print on the menus. Were I designing the interior, I’d have made some changes. First, the hanging lights would disappear, as I found them incongruous with the rest of the decor. I’d add a drop-ceiling to hide the can lights and then use new instruments to get back to that level of ambient light and add diffused instruments over each table, for “task lighting.” Now, this would have to take into consideration the fact that some of the four-tops might be moved to accommodate larger parties. Still, I think that this would preclude the need for flashlights. Also, the presentations from the kitchen need a bit more light to fully appreciate. Just like the paintings on the wall, we ARE talking about artwork here. Let the patrons get a really good look at it.

    As we were being seated, Maureen removed our white napkins and had them replaced with black ones, based on our clothing – always a nice touch, and one that is too often overlooked. Menus were presented, along with the wine list. Water was poured, bread and two butters were provided and my reading began.

    The menu is basically in two parts: a chef’s tasting with some different wine-pairing options and then an à la carte page, that can be ordered by the number of courses – basically a prix fixe scheme. I have to admit that it all looked good, but after going over the chef’s tasting and getting clarification on the wine-pairings, we decided that this was where we wanted to go. We checked each offering, just to make sure that there weren’t any bi-valves (oysters, mussels, clams or scallops), that would give my wife problems. There were none.

    Now, I have to point out the levels of wine-pairings. While Le Rêve’s take on this is not unique (Chef Mavro’s, Honolulu, sommelier Todd Asline, comes immediately to mind), it is not that common to offer different levels of wine pairings. I really like this option. Had we really been thinking things through, we’d probably have done one of each “level,” but I opted for the “Platinum Pairing” for both of us. Especially when I’m dining at a new restaurant, and do not know exactly what the kitchen might be doing, I greatly appreciate the expertise of the sommelier, when it comes to putting together wines for each course. Already, Fabian, the sommelier, had stopped by and helped educate me as to the two levels of wine choices. He explained his general philosophy and quickly convinced me that he’d do a great job. He did. He also left the wine list for my reading. This is always a nice touch, as too often some restaurants act as though they only have one copy of the wine list, and are too quick to snatch it away, especially if one indicates that they will be going with a pairing, or b-t-g selections. This restaurant understands how “wine geeks,” such as I, really enjoy seeing all of the offerings. Though we went with the upper-level of pairings, I have to add that Le Rêve has a very nice half-bottle selection, plus a good b-t-g list. Information for another visit. One could easily do their own pairings from the half-bottles. The list is small, but well thought out. Since it is often my wife and I dining, and we enjoy multiple wine courses to match our meals, I seek these out and found a great one here. I also had a moment to try and guess where Fabian would be going with his pairings. I have to admit that he fooled me on a few of his choices, but quickly convinced me of the wisdom of his picks. [Note: I have read several reviews for Le Rêve on other sites. Some have been highly critical, even insulting, of the sommelier’s efforts and knowledge. I do not know who the sommelier was on their visits, but it could not have been Fabian, as he really impressed me, and I am not that easy on any sommelier.

    Now comes the hard part – putting this great meal, along with the wines into some sort of list. About the best that I can do is a chronological order and sprinkle in little comments, since I was not taking notes during our meal.

    Our first wine was the Louis Roederer Brut Premier Champagne. This was a very fitting way to begin the evening. During this time, we were served an amuse bouche of a fried-fish tidbit with homemade tartar sauce. I did not get what it was skewered with, but it was perched over a little egg-shaped cup. It went perfectly with the Champagne, as does almost anything. All too often, I find that restaurants and diners, alike, ignore how food-friendly most Champages are. Fabian knew and offered a great pairing.

    The first course was a Mushroom Tortellini with a very flavorful jus and sweet garlic puree. The wine chosen was an ‘04 Paul Jaboulet Aine Crozes Hermitage, La Mule Blanche. This 100% Marsanne was a wonderful accompaniment to the tortellini, though so was the Roederer, some of which I had managed to save for later comparison. This was to become a common thread

    Next came a Caramelized Onion Tart with Goat Cheese and a Balsamic Drizzle. Here, I had guessed that we’d have an Alsatian Pinot Blanc. Close, but it was the ‘99 Trimbach Domaine des Seigneur de Ribeaupierre Gewürztraminer. There was enough acid in the Gewurtz to work with the Goat Cheese and with the wine’s age, the Balsamic went perfectly. I was a bit surprised that the Marsanne did not do any better with this dish, but was relieved that my next to last sip of Champagne still held up to the Tart.

    Soon, we were presented with Seared Pave of Foie Gras with an Apple Base. The chosen wine was the ‘97 Chateau Tirecul Lagraviere Monbazillac. Hm-m, I’ve only had a few Monbazillacs, but none with foie gras. Usually, I’m pairing with it better-known neighbors, Sauternes and Barsacs, or maybe a Muscat de Beaumes-de-Venise. I’ve even done some TBA’s, especially with apple or pear treatments. We talked a bit about the foie gras pairing and I mentioned a wonderful pairing of a Canadian Late Harvest Apple Cider with a similar apple-infused foie gras in London. In a second, a glass of LH Cider appeared on the table. It was also an excellent accompaniment, though the Monbazillac was the better here. After a recommendation from another foie gras thread, I wondered if Le Rêve had an Alsatian Riesling Vendage Tardive. They did not, so I will have to wait on that pairing.

    Our salad-course was the Crispy Fried Prawns with Mango, Toasted Cashews and Lime Juice Vinaigrette, which was paired with the ‘06 Adelsheim Willamette Valley Pinot Gris. Normally, I’m not a big fan of domestic Pinot Gris, with the exception of the King Estate Reserve. This PG was perfect and played off of the sweetness of the mango plus the tang of the lime juice. OK, now I have two domestic PG’s to choose from. About here, I had finished the Roederer, and the other previous wines did not quite do justice to the salad.

    It was now time for the fish-course. This was the Georges Bank Monkfish Tail on Green Pea Purée and Pan-roasted Snails. With this, we were served the ‘05 Mongeard Mungneret Savigny-Lès-Beaune. This pairing was excellent, though most of the early wines (that were still left) did not fare quite so well. My wife thought that her monkfish was a tad over-cooked, but mine was perfect. Possibly just a difference in our personal tastes. While we both enjoy sashimi, I do not know over tables and patrons to get to it, as my wife does. Warning! Never stand between my wife and fresh sashimi-grade ahi tail, or you will be rushed to a near-by ER.

    The main-course was a Tournedo of Angus Beef with Warm Fingerling Potato Salad, served with the ‘04 Chateau de Pez Cru Bourgeois, St. Estéphe. The beef was succulent and the Bdx. went very well with it. It still needed a bit of time in the glass, but we were in no hurry. For a Cru Bourgeois, Ch. de Pez always presents itself as being several levels up. I always wonder how this, and some other producers would fare, should there be a major Bdx. re-classification from the one of 1855 (with one amendment).

    Unfortunately, I did not get a list of our cheeses in our next course, but they went great with ‘04 Chateau La Vieille Cure Fronsac, as well as with the Bdx and the Burg from earlier. I also enjoyed the Monbazillac, which was almost empty.

    Remember how I commented that we were seated at a four-top, and there were only two of us? Well, about now, the table was filling up. I had managed to keep a tiny amount of most of my wines, and my wife was close behind. I’d say that with the wine-courses, plus the extra glass of cider, we were in trouble. We played with the remaining wines and the cheeses, and soon were able to start turning in our empty glasses. One thing that I greatly appreciated was that the waitstaff not trying to grab any of the stems, even though some had very little wine left. They understood what we were doing, and I did not have to scold anyone to “leave it, please.”

    I’m getting hazy on the exact desserts that we had, but strongly believe that there were two (plus a little morsel, or two): a ‘Vacherin” of Vanilla Bean Ice Cream, Strawberry Sorbet with Meringues and Chantilly Cream and a “Rocky Road” Pave with Cardamom-coffee Ice Cream. The wines were a ‘96 Domaine Mas Blanc Banyuls Vielles Vignes and the Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin “Yellow Label” Champagne. Now, I might have gone with a demi-sec Champagne, though the Brut did cleanse our palates. The Banyuls was sublime!

    The evening was finally coming to an end. We’d been cautioned that dining at Le Rêve was a three hour event. Chickstein had mentioned four hours, in her recommendation. She was correct. We’d pretty much opened the restaurant up at 6:00PM, and I’m glad we did, because there were only a few diners left, when we departed at about 10:30PM. During that time, the restaurant had filled completely, and a few of the tables had turned. With only a very slight pause, between the fish-course and the meat-course, the pacing was absolutely perfect. Honestly, the pause allowed us the opportunity to say something besides “Um-m-m,” and similar. We also got to take a breath. At no time did we feel rushed in any way. This restaurant shows restraint in taking reservations and it is fitting for such fine-dining. It was an evening to be savored to the fullest.

    The evening was perfect and we’ll definitely be heading back, when next in San Antonio. I found the setting to be quite romantic and, with the exception of the lack of lighting over the tables, almost perfect in its intimacy. The noise level was not noticeable at all and polite conversation was the norm at all tables. Even with the partially open kitchen, we heard no clattering of pots, or similar. There is a dress-code: gentlemen will wear jackets, and I’m glad for this, especially as so many bastions of fine-dining seem to be relaxing any form of dress-code. When we made our reservations, both the dining time and the dress-code were clearly stated, though I always have at least my blazer, when dining out at any restaurant above a neighborhood BBQ spot. Still, this is something that one must take into consideration when planning on dining at Le Rêve. However, considering the napkin-service, the settings, flatware (always cleared between courses, and instantly replaced), the overall level of service and the Spiegelau stemware, it is in keeping with the experience.

    With our two “chef’s tasting menus” and the “Platinum” wine pairings, our total bill with 20% gratuity on all came to US$557.70. Also remember there was an “extra” wine that materialized on the table. While it was not inexpensive, it was a great “value,” for the price. I have paid far more, and gotten far less. Everything service-related, was perfect. The staff was there when needed, but absent when they were not required. No one hovered, and there were not incessant questions, usually posed when one has a mouthful of food, or wine. Conversations were allowed to continue, without a server standing over us, tapping a foot impatiently on the floor. I cannot imagine a more perfect evening, unless I had also won the Powerball. Once again, I owe Chickstein a great bit Thank You for this recommendation, and will not hesitate to include Le Rêve in my list of “must dine” places. I used to drive ~500 miles out of my way to get in a meal at La Fogata. Now I have an even better reason to do so - heck, I always have a bunch of free tickets on Southwest Airlines, and I know where some of those will take us – San Antonio, TX and Le Rêve.

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    152 E Pecan St, San Antonio, TX 78205

    1. Las Canarias, La Mansion del Rio Hotel (Omni), 112 College St, phone: 210-518-16063.

      This was our second fine-dining night in San Antonio. I’d found it in a couple of other sites and when I got the CH recs for it, did not hesitate. I also have to state that I made the reservation via Open Table, and was particularly aware of some views on that service, based on a few recent threads on CH. I only mentioned where we were staying, our cell phone contact, while in San Antonio, that it was our first time there and that we were looking forward to dining with them and exploring their wine list.

      We had chosen 7:30PM, because we had a cocktail party that we had to attend, prior to dining on our own. Once more, we took a leisurely stroll along the Riverwalk from the Marriott. This walk was a bit easier, as Las Canarias is located right on the Riverwalk, about halfway between our hotel and Le Le Rêve, plus one does not have to go up to street level, just walk up the stairs. Since the restaurant is on several levels and the hotel runs for about a block, we did have to ask directions on where to enter to get to the hostess station. Once found, we identified ourselves and were promptly seated, though we had actually arrived a bit early.

      Now, going back to that discussion on CH, concerning less than stellar treatment, with an Open Table reservation, I waited to see where we’d be seated. Our large two-top was right against the window, overlooking the al fresco dining area and the Riverwalk. I could not have asked for better, had I known which table number to give, when making the reservations. If some restaurants choose to seat patrons, who use Open Table, in bad locations as punishment, Las Canarias is not one of them.

      The interior dining room is luxurious and well-appointed. It might be a little more elegant, than Le Rêve’s, but in a more formal way. I do not recall a dress-code being mentioned, but I was in my blazer, so it did not make any difference. Most diners also appeared to be dressed in similar fashion, though I believe that some gentlemen on the veranda did not sport jackets. Still, all were nicely dressed.

      Though Las Canarias lists their cuisine as New American, there was a definite French theme. Our server noted that the restaurant does highlight specific cuisines and that France was represented on this menu. Here we are in San Antonio, TX, home of some of the best Tex-Mex cuisine, that I have ever tasted, and our two nights of dining are French! Still, we love French, so all is good.

      My first disappointment was that there was no tasting menu, though they were offering their regular dishes plus the French influenced ones, so we did have quite a lot to choose from. My next disappointment came with the wine list. It was possibly twice a large as Le Rêve’s, but was filled with too many of the “usual suspects,” for the level of the restaurant, at least my way of thinking. I will admit that it is more “mainstream,” than is Le Rêve, and being “mainstream,” probably comes with some compromises, you have to please “everyman,” and not just wine snobs like me. The b-t-g selection was ALL usual suspects and there were no half-bottles. OK, I was going to have to do the “heavy-lifting,” and work with the list. I’ve done that most nights of my adult life. At least the wine list had adequate depth and some interesting wines, but I had no idea of what Chef John Brand was going to be doing, especially with the French “treatment,” on half of the menu. After a little study and a few decisions on first courses, I had made up my mind. I started with an ‘06 Domaine Coche-Dury Corton-Charlemagne. Because of its youth, I asked that it be “caraffed,” and explained that that was basically decanting of a white wine. I think that my point was missed, but maybe because the wine was quite warm and did need to be chilled a bit, helped with the confusion. Normally, I do not need my whites chilled, but as our server pointed out, this one was definitely at “room temp.”

      We lingered a bit over the rest of the menu and I also made plans for our next wine, while the Corton was cooling its heels. I chose an ‘06 Merry Edwards Olivet Lane Pinot Noir. I hesitated over the Domaine Romanée-Cont, but at US$2000 it was a bit out of my price range. I wanted something with heft, but also some smoothness, as wife was going with the Short Ribs and I the Pork Loin. Nothing in the way of a Côte-Rôtie. No big Zinfandels. OK, there was a Nuits-Saint-Georges, that I looked at, but decided on the Merry Edwards. Well, this was the wine that was decanted. I have to take full responsibility, because I was not clear on exactly what I wanted done, and also I realize that it is quite uncommon in the US to “decant” a white wine. The effort to please was there – no mistaking it. I just was not clear. Note to self: explain exactly what is required and then tell why you want it, especially if it is not the norm. We just did a lot of swirling of the Corton and gave it time in the glass. Speaking of glass, these were OK stems, but not at the level of the Spiegelaus at Le Rêve. Good, but not up to par for US$170 wines. They had thicker sides and a “bead,” but at least they had larger bowls. I would have been nice to have Burg balloons for each, especially the Riedel Montrachets for the Corton. Good, just not quite good enough.

      Since it was just the two of us, and we were starting at 7:30PM, I did not expect to finish both bottles, though we nearly did.

      Our first courses were the Red Pear Carpaccio with spinach, walnuts, sherry vinaigrette and sharp white Cheddar and Confit of Duck and Wild Mushrooms Springroll, accented with arugula and orange. Here, the Côte-Rôtie, or a big Syrah would have been my first choice, but three bottles of wine for two? Even though we were walking, there are not a lot of guardrails on the Riverwalk! Both courses were nice and the Corton and the PN did not do badly, just not perfectly, but that was partially my fault. One real reason for having a great half-bottle list, especially when couples dine. The Corton went best with the pear (obviously), and the PN held its own with the duck. Here, I am jaded. In Phoenix, we are fortunate to have Chef Vincent Guerithault of Vincent’s on Camelback. He has added a Southwest twist to some classic French dishes, and his Confit of Duck Tamal is just flat to die for. These springrolls were good, but I kept thinking of that tamal. Hey, one doesn’t win a James Beard award for America’s Best Chef – Southwest, a Citation of Execllence from the International Food & Wine Society and the Chevailer de L’Ordre du Merite Agricole for no reason.

      Next, I went with a soup-course of Kabocha Pumpkin Bisque with Créme Fraîche. I asked for a spoon for my wife, and the server had the dish split into two bowls – a very nice touch. My wife does about four different pumpkin soups and I tried to define what was missing from this one. I had three thoughts: maybe some slivers of mushroom (truffles?), some toasted pepitas or maybe some roasted piñon nuts. Something was missing, but the PN went well with this dish. The Corton, not quite as well. Maybe a much bigger Chardonnay would have paired better? Throw in some mushrooms, and the PN would probably have begun to sing.

      Now for the mains. My wife went with the Bordelaise Braised Short Ribs with artichokes, baby potatoes and Maille mustard, while I chose the Berkshire Pork Prime Rib with apple, bacon, shaved Brussel sprouts and currant jus. Unfortunately, we both know Chef Vincent’s short-ribs well and could not get them out of our mind. I was more enamored with these short-ribs, than was my wife. She thought they were too dry. Yes, there could have been a touch more jus, but they were still pretty good. My pork was the better of the two, however. The PN did OK, but for the short-ribs, something with more heft would have helped. Just too bad that there were no great half-bottles to choose from! Even a Turley, or Biale Zinfandel b-t-g would have helped. The PN went beautifully with my pork. Along these lines, I have to say that everyone dining that night at Las Canarias was a “couple.” I do not know how the diner groupings normally set up, but to have a great wine program, one needs to consider the volumes of wine offered. Maybe we’re atypical. Maybe we’re just wine “geeks,” but if Le Rêve can offer so many world-class half-bottle selections, it is something to consider. I also realize that a wine list in a chef-owned/driven restaurant is one thing, and a corporate restaurant another. Still, please consider putting in a good selection of half-bottles, please! I’d have done four and spent more money, but gotten wines for each course. [Rant over]

      We added a cheese course and a dessert, but I do not recall either in detail – remember, we had now almost finished two bottles for the two of us.

      Now came some fun. Our server suggested either the Taylor-Fladgate 40 year Tawny Port or the Far Niente Dolce. I mentioned that normally I preferred the Taylor 20 year Tawny, or the Porto Barros 20, to the Taylor 40. I happen to have all of the Taylor Tawnies in the cellar and do bring up the 40 (or the 30) on occasion, but usually go for the 20 year. Our server brought out a bottle of the 20 and joined us to taste it alongside the 40. With our meal (and the wines that went before) we DID decide that the 40 was the better this night. Again, a very nice touch to be able to do both side-by-side, even if I had to “eat my words... “

      Once more, we closed the dining room, but remember that we did start at 7:30PM.

      Our tab came to just under US$700 with a gracious tip on all. Remember, we did have US$400 in wines. The room is lovely and the dining romantic. The service (except for my mistake with regards to caraffing the Corton) was perfect and fun. Pacing was perfect, though we did have fewer courses. With the above noted exceptions (read wine list and stemware, and black napkins), I cannot fault a thing. I’d definitely dine there again. I do have to give a big nod to Le Rêve for total value, but remember, I am a certified wino and they scored extra points for some great pairings, that caught me flatfooted. Stuff like that does score a bonus with me. Fool me. Amaze me. Show me something that I would have never tried at home and you get those bonus points. Le Rêve did just that, and I thank them for it. Still, Las Canarias gave me the opportunity to do the Taylor-Fladgate 20 & 40 side-by-side and that was FUN, even if I had to pick a wine to go with “crow!”

      Also, I think that we possibly graded down just a bit, because of a local (PHX) chef and some similar dishes. That is not fair to Las Canarias. It’s almost like saying, “hey, this is good, but Guy Savoy does it better... “ Like I said, not fair.

      If I’m flying over to San Antonio on those free Southwest tickets to do Le Rêve and La Fogata, I WILL include Las Canarias in the mix.

      Le Reve Cuisine
      152 E Pecan St, San Antonio, TX 78205

      Las Canarias
      112 College Street, San Antonio, TX 72205

      Mad Dogs British Pub
      123 Losoya St # 19, San Antonio, TX

      Las Ramblas
      306 W Market St, San Antonio, TX

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      1. re: Bill Hunt

        "Since it was just the two of us, and we were starting at 7:30PM, I did not expect to finish both bottles, though we nearly did."

        For the future, Texas allows you to take unfinished bottles with you.

        1. re: orangecat

          Thank you for that info. I have begun encountering this more and more often, and just did not think to ask.

          Even in a dry county in TN (I believe that it is still dry), the resaturant at the resort stored our opened bottles for us for the next evening's dinner. By the last night, I think we had a half-dozen bottles to finish, but most were down quite a bit, as some had been around from the day before.

          Next time, I'll ask, thanks to your comment.

          1. re: Bill Hunt

            You are welcome. It is an odd law, especially that Texas has so many dry areas and blue laws still in effect. Some proprietors or restaurant workers may not even know about it. Here is the law:

            " Section 28.10 of the Alcoholic Beverage Code says, in part,:

            A mixed beverage permittee may not permit any person to take any alcoholic beverage purchased on the licensed premises from the premises where sold, except that a person who orders wine with food and has a portion of the open container remaining may remove the open container of wine from the premises."

            The only caveat is if you are driving, there is an open container law and you need to put the wine outside of the immediate passenger area (trunk, glove box). Of course, since you were walking this was not a problem.

            I have taken wine from restaurants on the riverwalk; I walked backed to our Carriage house right off of St. Mary's riverwalk entrance into the Prince William area. Very quiet and with gorgeous homes. Ten minute walk along the river to the Marriott, if that. The house was totally secluded, with a pool, and of course a kitchen, patio, where we could enjoy the extra wine with bread, cheeses, fruit, etc.

            I love San Antonio.

            1. re: orangecat

              I remember the "blue laws," from decades ago. In Abilene, one could go to the tiny 'burg of Impact, TX, that was surrounded by Abilene proper, to buy beer. Back then Coors was not distributed beyond CO and TX (at least not much), and I'd pick up my Coors for the trip back to New Orleans. Back then, TTA (Trans Texas Airlines) had a $25 fare, to any/everywhere that they flew. I'd usually map out a trip with a half-dozen stops, and travel the state for $25. I'd usually stop in and see friends in Abilene, and pick up my Coors.

              Being from the Deep South, and traveling those environs extensively, I've had to learn what can, and cannot, be done, regarding liquor/wine/beer. Nowadays, I have a lot of re-learning to do, as much has changed.

              Next time in San Antonio, I'll not feel pressured to drink "it all," even if I am walking. Heck, there are not railings along all of the Riverwalk!

              As we both enjoy our wines, we seldom do much driving, if at all. My limo company has me on a standing account. I'll often do my dinner reservations based on cabbing it, or walking.

      2. Miscellaneous Dining:

        Las Ramblas (Breakfast)

        I’d had breakfast in the Marriott Riverwalk and had been disappointed. What did I expect? Well, whatever it was, I was not pleased. We’d strolled the entire Riverwalk and I’d seen some neat-looking restaurants around the bend from the Hilton. I returned and chose Las Ramblas, at the Hotel Contessa, 306 W. Market St, phone: 210-298-8040, It had a good look and a lovely patio on the Riverwalk. When I arrived, there were about 4 tables open on the patio and the majority of the tables were unoccupied in the interior dining area. There appeared to be a half-dozen servers/bussers working both inside and out. I was a bit surprised, when the hostess told me there would be a fifteen minute wait for a table. There was only one name on her list, and she was scratching it off, as we spoke. I think that that party had just been seated. No problem, as it was a lovely Fall morning and there were photographs to be taken out on the Riverwalk. I gave my name and told the hostess that I’d be right outside on a bench.

        In about fifteen minutes, my name was called and I was ushered to a table along the edge of the patio. My server approached and offered coffee and juice with the menu. I ordered both, and asked for “raw sugar.” She disappeared and brought both the coffee and, what I think was “fresh-squeezed” orange juice. She was still looking for the raw sugar. I read over the menu and in a few minutes, she returned, albeit empty-handed. “I found the box for the raw sugar, but it was empty. Someone put it back on the shelf, and there is none.” Fine, I’d make do with the refined sugar. I started rummaging around the sugar bowl, but couldn’t find any. There were some packets that “looked” like sugar, but they were some sort of chemical, just disguised to look like a sugar packet. These were along with some of the more recognizable “sugar substitutes.” When it came time to place my order, I asked for some real sugar. “I hope you weren’t fooled by those packets, that look like sugar. If so, I’ll bring you another coffee. A lot of people are fooled and that stuff is horrible,” she stated. “No, I read the fine print, and did not use any of that. I’ll take some of the real stuff, however,” was my reply. In a few moments, I had a handful of the “real stuff,” and got on with my coffee, which was pretty good – much better than the coffee in my room. That may truly be the worst coffee that I’ve ever had. Made me want to begin drinking tea in the AM.

        There was a breakfast buffet, but I am really not a fan of those, with but two exceptions: the now gone Marquessa at the Scottsdale (AZ) Princess Resort, and Orchid’s Sunday Brunch at the Halekulani, Waikiki, HI. These two restaurants take/took the “buffet” to the ultimate heights, but all of the rest have convinced me to NOT go with any buffets. Off the menu, it was. I’d asked about the Huevos Españolas, and found that it was pretty much eggs over easy with no tortillas. Hm-m, “any tortillas with anything?” There were not. It became waffles with fresh berries and an order of crisp “applewood-smoked bacon.” The waffle had been frozen, but was not THAT bad. The bacon was crisp, just as I had ordered, but lacked any hint of “applewood smoking.” Still, better than the Marriott’s breakfast.

        The venue is lovely and the food was OK, though not up to what I had expected from the “look” of the restaurant. The breakfast service seemed to be understaffed, because it took a bit too long for each item to come around. The restaurant was beginning to fill a bit, and my server was moving around quickly, but either she had too many tables, or maybe the kitchen was off in another part of the hotel, and it just took too long to get things to Las Ramblas. The complete breakfast was rather uninspired, though better than some others. It was a lovely morning in a beautiful setting. I guess that I cannot complain too much.

        As I continued my walk on that section of the Riverwalk, I did see some other “likely candidates” for breakfast. There are quite a few little restaurants, usually attached to a boutique hotel, that also had the “look.” Maybe I would have been better off in one of these.

        I’ll not know from this trip, because for the next breakfast, I chose a muffin and a “pumpkin spiced” latté at the Starbucks. Maybe next trip to San Antonio. Besides Le Rêve, I’ll need some other dining options, when we use our free Southwest tickets.

        Mad Dogs British Pub (Lunch

        I am a pushover for English pubs and Bulldogs. I was hooked, when I saw the sign for Mad Dogs British Pub on the Riverwalk. I get to spend about a month every year in London and have had some good “pub grub.” Yes, most of the pubs are now owned by “concept restaurant companies,” many from the US. Yes, it’s getting more difficult to find good pub grub, even in the outlying areas of London, but still I’ve managed. O’Neil’s (and Irish pub and part of a mini-chain) has come through often, though their Shepard’s Market pub seems to be closing to become something else. Still, the Eagle & Baby, the Original Running Footman and a few others do fit the bill and do it nicely.

        I had left two of the most beautiful Bulldogs, you’ve ever seen, back in Phoenix, so the sign for Mad Dogs British Pub caught my eye. When her early meetings were over, I dragged my wife there. They are right on the Riverwalk and looked pretty good. The waitstaff seemed to be “something else” with plaid micro-skirts and lace-to-the-knee paratrooper boots, but this was the day after Halloween, so maybe it was part of the season.

        I’m a big fan of UK brews (fizzies, beers, ales, Porters and stouts), and also fish and chips. My wife went with the “Fried Gulf Shrimp,” and a glass of Chardonnay. My choices of beers was a bit limited, but hey, we were not in the UK. I got the tasting and ordered a cider for the meal. Normally, I’d go with a Strongbow, or a Woodpecker (they even had a Woodpecker sign), but had to settle for a cider from Ohio, not the UK or their colonies. The fish and chips were very large. Unfortunately, there was almost no fish inside these three giant fried items. They were all greasy dough. Two pounds of grease and flour with maybe 4 oz of fish amongst them! At least the “chips” were pretty good. Yes, they were frozen, but still pretty tasty. I cannot say the same for my wife’s fries. Though it’s been decades, since I last tasted a McDonald’s fry, these were bleak. Her “Fried Gulf Shrimp” came from a Mrs. Paul’s box, of I’m crazy. For ~ US$10.00, these five dried out frozen shrimp were horrible. What WERE we thinking? At least the beers were OK, though nothing special.

        I learned that this is a mini-chain, having started in Hong Kong. Well, Hong Kong was a British crown colony, but maybe someone needs to check out the Eagle & Baby, or try and catch O’Neil’s, before they close for good. Even in Phoenix, we have better pubs! Maybe this is what the masses on the Riverwalk want – another Landry’s Seafood House, or Dick’s Last Resort or Hard Rock Something, or another similar restaurant. Just a poor choice on my part, but some of the other dining made up for it.

        The Marriott Riverwalk

        I will refrain from doing a review of the banquet food there. Let’s just say that it was banquet food and leave it at that. We do about a dozen similar events per year at various resorts around the country. I refer to one block of these in the late Spring as the “rubber-chicken” circuit. The only real exception in all of these was an event at the Grand Hyatt in Seattle, WA. It was actually for this very meeting, though a few years earlier. They offered a “surf-n-turf” of Pacific Salmon and a Petite Filet, that was excellent, plus a very good “special” wine list (meaning that these could be ordered for the table, should one not go with the “hosted” wines). The absolute standout was the intermezzo. This was a spruce-infused sorbet that was out of this world. It was also served in a unique way. You’ve probably seen the “iced” martini glasses, that consist of a truncated sphere (where you’d normally put crushed ice) and a separate glass cone (the martini glass). The sorbet was in the glass cone, and there was a tiny spruce branch, replete with miniature spruce-cones on the bottom of the sphere, below the point of the conical glass. Given the presentation and the taste of that sorbet, I was blown completely away. I shared that idea with my caterer back in AZ and he’s done some similar concoctions. To date, none has quite lived up to that intermezzo at the Grand Hyatt. Yes, banquet food CAN be something more!

        Le Reve Cuisine
        152 E Pecan St, San Antonio, TX 78205

        Las Canarias
        112 College Street, San Antonio, TX 72205

        Mad Dogs British Pub
        123 Losoya St # 19, San Antonio, TX

        Las Ramblas
        306 W Market St, San Antonio, TX

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        1. re: Bill Hunt

          Bill Hunt you are living large.

          From the wilds of Hawaii to the backwoods of rural Tennessee...from the banks of the Mississippi to the banks of the San Antonio I always enjoy your reviews.

          Somehow I picture you pounding them all out on an old Olivetti typewriter with a big glass of some impossible to find wine by your hand.Opera is playing on a reel to reel through some giant Magneplaner speakers.

          Great work.

          1. re: scrumptiouschef

            I really like the imagery. It reminds me of the old TV series, “The Slap Maxwell Story.” Unfortunately, I do them on a laptop on my patio, with my notes blowing all over the place. Usually, the wine is rather mundane, although good (by my palate). There IS often a cigar someplace, but more likely the entertainment will be an episode of “Top Chef,” “Kitchen Nightmares” or “The Golf Channel’s” coverage of whichever tournament is being aired. Your verison is a lot more romantic and thanks for sharing. Now, I AM fortunate to get to travel all over and dining is a really big part of that. Since I “use” CH so much in my travels, I just want to give something back.

            1. re: scrumptiouschef

              You are living large! I'm picturing the same thing and am so jealous...looking to adopt anyone, lol? You write great reviews, and i wish i could be as knowledgeable about ANYTHING as you are about wines.

              1. re: iluvtennis

                I have to tip my pen to Fabian (I do hope that I have his name correct, ignoring a few missing diacriticals), as he surprised me, in a very good way, with some of his choices. That is one reason that we so often do chef's tastings with sommelier's pairings. Most are very good, a few are great, and then, a very few fall flat. If the sommelier has worked to create the wine list, and then spends some time in the kitchen, they can work magic. Often, there will be some little element that the chef is using, that is not likely to appear on the menu (so the diner might never think of using it in the pairing), that just makes wine A work, where wine B, not so well.

                My second choice is a great b-t-g selection, that we can work with, though half-glasses, one for each course, is even better. Next comes half-bottles. Since we love rather eclectic dishes, trying to pick one wine, that will work with all of our courses is really tough. We'll usually order two bottles, and just leave the remainders for the staff.

                I have to deflect your kind words to the people, who gave me the suggestions. I would never have found Le Rêve on my own, especially with sorta' short notice. Still, thanks for the compliments.

                Regardless, we'll definitely be back, especially as we got NO Tex-Mex on this trip, and it's just been too long. Sonoran is good, but give me that Tex-Mex anytime. Hey, 2:02 gate to gate and we've got tickets that we don't seem to be using - do the math!

            2. re: Bill Hunt

              What great reviews! I can't believe you remember everything you ate! I am so glad you enjoyed Le Reve. I just love Maureen and Andrew.

              My territory is from New Mexico to VA (no FL), and I know almost every fine dining restaurant in those states. Glad I could be of help.

              1. re: chickstein

                "I know almost every fine dining restaurant in those states." So far, I can vouch for that, and I have been the lucky recipient of some of your recs.. When I see that you have replied to a request for dining, I know that the place will be wonderful.

                Thanks, as always,

              2. re: Bill Hunt

                Next time try Waxy O'Connors across from La Mansion Del Rio. We stopped in for a glass of wine, it's a quieter part of the riverwalk. The next day we came back for more wine, and a local told us the food was actually pretty good. I too am a sucker for fish and chips, the fish was listed as fresh cod, and it seemed to be, if not fresh, at least well handled frozen. The portion was not huge, but it was not overly battered at all. The fries were fresh cut and very good. I'm sorry though, no waitresses in plaid mini skirts, just normal waitstaff and a very accomadating gentlemen, I believe named Omar, manning the front. I checked their website when I got home, it turns out they are out of Florida, a mini chain with restaurants in Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, and Foxboro, Ma. plus San Antonio. The interior was all handcrafted in Ireland, and shipped over enduring a delay from Hurricane Rita. Unfortunately I did not know this, never setting foot inside as the weather in late October was absolutely perfect.

                1. re: James Cristinian

                  After Mad Dogs, I did see Waxy O'Connors. It had a good look about it. I'll take your rec. and head there, Bulldog images, or not.

                  Thank you for the information.

                  There was one other "pub," on the Riverwalk, but I do not recall the name, or even which part of the river it was located on.

              3. Thanks for the follow-up. I'm at a conference in SAT now and will hopefully get to walk the trail you've blazed.

                Yesterday I took a taxi to Taco Haven for a TexMex lunch (puffy taco), but am looking for more Chow-worthly places near my Riverwalk hotel. The hotel sent me to the "Hot Mex, Cool Bar" place after I landed late Saturday and I don't feel the need to go back again.

                I just looked at the VIA street car map and wonder if I can use it instead of a cab to expand my food options. Looks like it runs to Prince William, Market Square and La Villita.

                1. There are 2 Waxy O'Connor's in London (the original and Waxy's Little Sister right opposite!) Not so sure of the original being American but they do an OK pint of Guinness!

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                  1. re: jenjenjen

                    Thanks for that. We are in London twice per year, and one of my favorite pubs, O'Neil's in Shepards Market, has closed. I'll look for Waxy O'Connor's and see if either is near to Mayfair. I'm a big fan of good "pub grub," and have been known to drain a pint, or two. Though usually a full-fledged wino, in the UK pubs, I fancy their offerings ahead of the wines.

                    Thank you,

                    1. re: jenjenjen

                      Just did a Google, and they have one not too far from our flat on Curzon St. Well within walking distance. Come April, I WILL dine at Waxy O'Connor's, Leicester Square.

                      I greatly appreciate the tip,


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Jun 5, 2009 09:57 AM

Drinks near Tucson Airport

My kids (Barcelona and LA) and I (Mpls) will be flying into Tucson tomorrow for a short visit with(grand)parents in Green Valley. Arriving about 9PM. We feel the bar scene there may be a bit torrid(Barcelona's recent EU cup victory and all...) and we might like a quick stop at a local watering hole. We've liked JBar other visits but seems like a half hour drive in the wrong direction. Any hound's suggestions appreciated--margaritas, martinis, dives to more urbane-- anything with a good local flavor that might be closer to the airport. Thanks.

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  1. There's a joint when you come out of the airport take a left on Valencia, not down too far on the right, nothing fancy, mainly a hang-out for Air Natl. Guard guy's from across the street. If you don't want that there are hotel bars on your road out of the airport.

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    1. re: mrbigshotno.1

      Desert Diamond Casino is very close to the airport. I know they have at least one bar....

    2. The Nimbus Brewery is a good place. It's a little hard to find and on the West side of Davis-Monthan.

      All the stuff down by the airport is a little low rent and a little rough for most travelers. The Desert Diamond casino on Old Nogales is probably your best bet for a good drink and/or a bite to eat. From the Airport, Take a left at the light and go west past the railroad tracks. Turn left and go South to the Casino on the west side of the airport.

      I'm told there is another casino on I-19 further South but, I haven't been there.


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Jun 11, 2009 11:43 AM

Best Pizza Place for Birthday

In planning a 30th birthday dinner, I'm trying to find the perfect pizza joint in San Francisco. The criteria are as follows: group of 8, not over the top expensive, thin crust / wood-fired / cracker crust, good wine / beer list. Reservations are a plus and your help is deeply appreciated!

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  1. Pizzialo in Oakland is what you are looking for. If it is a nice evening ask for seating on the back patio.

    5008 Telegraph Ave, Oakland, CA 94609

    1. I can't think of anyplace with that combination.

      Amici's has wood ovens and the right crust but the atmosphere is sort of generic chain and I don't remember the beer or wine selections being very good.

      Tommaso's has a wood oven and good wine (not sure about beer) but the crust isn't thin.

      Pauline's is great for parties but no wood oven and the crust isn't thin.

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      1. re: Robert Lauriston

        I'm going to dissent against Tommaso's. My memory of them from years-ago was quite good, but we re-visited it about a month ago and it was embarrassingly mediocre.

        Tasteless, gummy cheese, sauce that tasted fresh from the jar, and too much garlic (and that's tough to make something too garlicky for me!)

        1. re: calvarez

          I still think Tommaso is a great option for pizza (especially the meatball) but agree that it's probably not the best place for a large party since they don't accept reservations.

        1. Recent post with wood-fired pizza.

          Flour + Water
          2401 Harrison Street, San Francisco, CA 94110

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          1. re: wolfe

            Going by "thin" and "cracker", I think flour + water's Neapolitan-style crust is (like A16 and Pizzaiolo) softer than anneliesz wants:

            1. re: Robert Lauriston

              Could you add a positive from your wood-burning thin crisp crust file?

          2. I second Tommaso's. The pizza is good and you will be in a fun neighborhood to walk and drink afterwards.

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            1. re: saffrongold

              I'm a fan of Uva in the lower Haight.


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Jul 9, 2009 06:59 PM

Lunch btwn San Antonio and Austin

I'll be driving from San Antonio to Austin this weekend. Are there any must-stop lunch spots inbetween San Antonio and Austin? I'm open to Mexican, Home Cooking, BBQ or a bakery off of I-35. Thanks!

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  1. Naegelin's Bakery in New Braunfels, just off the square, has the best apple streudel around.

    1. Salt Lick in Driftwood .Order the ribs. Bobby Flay was correct when he named them one of the best

      1. Take a detour over to Luling and go to City Market for the best BBQ ever (at least IMHO). I think they are closed on Sunday, however.

        Mr Bean

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        1. re: mrbean

          Gruene is a cool little town, home of Gruene Hall, worth seeing--live music is usually free! The Gristmill is next door...dine out on one of their patios perched over the river.

        2. I'd drive out to Lockhart to hit Smitty's, myself. It's certainly worth it, and significantly better than The Salt Lick. City Market in Luling is also a good option.

          1. Huisache Grill in New Brunfels; reasonable prices, great food, great service.


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HOME > Chowhound > Los Angeles Area >
Oct 2, 2009 09:53 AM

Umami Burger opens today in Los Feliz

According to Eater LA:

It's in the old Cobras y Matadors space, at 4655 Hollywood Blvd. southeast of Vermont.

Will they get pissed if I stop at the Fatburger drive-thru for fries?

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  1. Finally! I have been waiting for this for weeks. An adjoining Japanese beer bar? What a great idea. I can't wait to check it out! Just called and confirmed, will be open tonight at 6pm!!

    1. Try the Manly Burger .The bacon they use on that burger is $25 a pound. Boy is that a good burger.

      1. Linked ...

        Umami Burger
        4655 Hollywood Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90027


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HOME > Chowhound > Cookware >
Sep 19, 2010 03:45 PM

If You Were Registering for Wedding Gifts,...

what would you pick for your kitchen?
I love to cook and always have. I was spoiled growing up because my grandmother let me loose with all of her lovely kitchenware. Now that I live on my own, I'm really sick of my junky pots, pan, and knives and can't wait to replace them. I want to make sure that I'm registering for things that will last the way that my grandma's things did.

I think I have most of the basics covered (All-Clad pots and pans, Le Creuset french oven, KitchenAid stand mixer, Cuisinart food processor, Global knives, Chicago Metallic bakeware) plus a bunch of little things, but what are a few things you find essential for a well-equipped kitchen which I might have forgotten? Do you have any specific brand recommendations? General suggestions?

I know this is broad, but I appreciate any time that you take in order to respond to it. Thank you.

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  1. A fire extinguisher.

    1. Two large butcher blocks.

      1. an all-clad roasting pan (in case it's not in your pots and pans list)
        as above: large thick butcher block
        a medium and a BIG le creuset (i like the round ones)
        for guests who can't spend the big bucks: pick out a great set of stainless utensils - slotted spoon, etc.

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        1. re: redgirl

          1/2 sheet pans & some cooling racks, too. They are reasonably priced & are useful beyond baking. Plus, if you are at all into making cakes, I recommend a good fluted bundt pan. But that's just because I love making pound cakes. Ignore that if you don't! If you do love baking, a flour sifter is helpful, though certainly not necessary. Congratulations!

          1. re: redgirl

            redgirl - you beat me to it - I was going to make the same suggestion about the stainless utensils. I received aset as an engagement present from some close friends - and 18 yrs later I still have the friends and I still love those utensils! I use them every single day.

            1. re: redgirl

              I disagree with the AC roasting pan. It's made in China. For the same price I could pick up a Mauviel M'cook, even cheaper if you have a BB&B 20% coupon.

            2. We have a wok that we use quite a bit. I think ours is from Williams-Sonoma. It has held up really well so far (11 years).

              We also got a Belgian waffle maker from W-S, which only lasted about 5 years. We replaced it with a cheaper brand which is still going strong.

              1. a zojirushi rice maker. we have the small one and it's just fabulous. we use it 3-4 nights a week.


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HOME > Chowhound > Southern New England >
Jan 25, 2011 12:34 PM

What;s new in Stamford? Clean and yummy and of course not an arm and a leg?

Haven't been around for awhile and with all the snow you can't see all the spots so Help! keep safe everyone.

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