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Emerging Voices: Controversy on the Definition of the Cambodian Genocide at the ECCC

by Melanie Vianney-Liaud

[Mélanie Vianney-Liaud is a PhD Candidate in International Law at the Aix-Marseille University in France.]

Many international Human Rights authorities, including the United Nations General Assembly talked about the “Cambodian genocide” to designate the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge. Yet, while the term “genocide” undoubtedly has considerable appeal, it turns out to be legally inappropriate to describe the massacre of 1.7 million of Cambodians from 1975 to 1979. At the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia (ECCC) – the court in charge of trying the Khmer Rouge – the indictment of the last surviving Khmer Rouge senior leaders, known as “Case 002”, includes very limited genocide charges, only with respect to crimes committed on two minority groups: the Cham and the Vietnamese. Predictably, this decision disappointed many victims.

The trial began in June 2011. However, in September 2011, the Trial Chamber decided to sever Case 002 into smaller trials and limited the scope of the first trial to the evacuation of Phnom Penh on 17 April 1975 and movements of population in other regions of Cambodia. The genocide charges were excluded from the scope of this first trial. On August 7, 2014, the Chamber found the Accused guilty to have committed the crimes against humanity of murder, political persecution and other inhumane acts through their participation in policies to forcibly displace people. It sentenced them life imprisonment.

The Accused are currently trying within a second trial whose scope includes the genocide charges. Since this trial has started on July 30, 2014, it seems appropriate to clarify some of the complexities of the crime of genocide, generated by the specificities of the Cambodian context and the legal framework of the ECCC.

Genocide has been defined in the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Repression of the Crime of Genocide as requiring the intentional destruction of “a national, ethnical, racial or religious group as such”. The enumeration of specific protected groups implies that the perpetrators’ conception of the victim group bears some relation to one of these protected groups. The Khmer Rouge regime is known for its system of terror and arbitrariness. Conditions of living were so extreme that a substantial part of the population died without that seemed to be directly imputable to group-based persecutions. However, indications of the targeting of particular groups undeniably exist in the case of the Khmer Rouge. This is the case for example, and among others, of the group of educated people and city dwellers referred to as “new people” by the Khmer Rouge. Contrary to “base people,” “new people” did not join the Khmer Rouge revolution prior to April 17, 1975 when Phnom Penh fell into Khmer Rouge’s hands. Forcibly transferred from cities to countryside, “new people” members were often targeted based on this identity (Indictment, § 227). This group however, does not fall under the listed classification defined in the Genocide Convention as the distinction made by the Khmer Rouge was based on an individual’s socioeconomic background.

Thus, although the Khmer Rouge had policies of group discrimination, both in regard to ethnic minorities as well as with respect to groups identified within the ethnic Khmer- majority, the characterization of genocide within the definition of the Convention only applies to crimes committed on minority groups. Many victims have therefore seen the crimes for which they have suffered be excluded from the characterization of the “crime of crimes,” even though they are victims of crimes of the same gravity as those committed against the minorities.

The definition introduced by the Genocide Convention is too narrow to mirror the historical analysis of the Khmer Rouge criminal phenomenon. The fact that the Khmer Rouge targeted groups within the Khmer-majority population shows that the strict enumeration of protected groups is inappropriate. The question that arises then is whether it would be conceivable to have this definition evolved to correspond with the social reality of the “Cambodian genocide”.

Cambodia ratified the Genocide Convention in 1949. Consequently, since its entry into force in 1951, Cambodia has been submitted to the conventional obligation to “enact (…) the necessary legislation to give effect to the provisions of the Convention” (Convention, Article V). However, under the Khmer Rouge, the Convention had not been received into national law yet. This reception only occurred in 2001, with the creation of the ECCC. The 2003 international agreement between the United Nations and Cambodia and the 2004 amended domestic law which establish the court, provide both for its jurisdiction over the crime of genocide “as defined in the 1948 Convention.” However, and despite these provisions, the domestic law then gives a definition of the crime of genocide that differs in key points from the definition set out in the Convention.

A state is not prohibited by the 1948 Convention from adopting a broader definition of genocide. The Convention only adopted by a convention a principle which already existed in international customary law. Thus, the reception of the Convention into national legal orders has often resulted in a broadening of the definition of the crime. France, for instance, has gone further adding the “group determined by any (…) arbitrary criterion” to the groups protected by the Convention (French Penal Code, Article 211-1).

In the particular case of the ECCC however, the differences between the Convention and the Law have important implications for its subject-matter jurisdiction. In the English version of the ECCC Law, with regard to the list of underlying crimes, the Law indeed replaces the expression “any of the following acts” with “any acts” and the phrase ‘as such’ referring to “group” in the Genocide Convention with ‘such as’ but referring to “acts”.

Genocide Convention, Article II

“Genocide means any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such (…).”

ECCC Law, Article 4

The acts of genocide (…) mean any acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, such as (…).”

One major implication relates to the required genocidal intent. In the Convention, “as such” refers to “group” in a way that creates an additional burden of proof to show that the intent of the perpetrator was to destroy the group as a distinct entity, and not (only) to target members of the group based on their membership. As argued by ECCC defense team, the change of the phrase “such as” lowers the intent required as a perpetrator would still be held liable for genocide, even if the acts he committed with the intent to destroy the group was perpetrated without intending to destroy the group “as such.”

If such a definition of genocide does probably not allow including other protected groups, it undoubtedly makes the perpetrator’s intent easier to prove. Contrary to the Vietnamese group, no Khmer Rouge document clearly attests a direct call to kill the entire Cham group (Indictment, § 1339 and 1346). Thus, proving the Khmer Rouge’s intent to destroy the Cham group ‘as such’ will undoubtedly be difficult at trial, unless the ‘as such’ requirement is dismissed. However, if the ECCC chooses to apply this broader definition, it will be faced with two difficulties. The first is that without the “as such” requirement, genocide would lose its specific character and amount to a crime against humanity of persecution. The second is that the accused could be convicted of genocide in a form which is unknown to current international criminal law. This raises the issue vis-à-vis the nullum crimen sine lege principle. According to this principle indeed, a person cannot be convicted of a crime that did not exist at the time of the commission of the acts in question. In the indictment, “in order to avoid a breach of [this] principle, the Co-Investigating Judges (…) appl[ied] the international definition of genocide” (Indictment, § 1311).

By applying this definition, the Co-Investigating Judges decided to remain confined to the most restricted meaning of genocide, implying only minority groups but excluding many other victims. The Co-Investigating Judges also excluded genocide charges of crimes committed against the Khmer Krom minority. The fact that the law in respect to genocide is so contentious has made them very cautious. As T. Forster highlighted, a potential failure of genocide charges leading to an acquittal of the accused in this respect is seen as great risk, particularly because of the important symbolic value of genocide. This explains why genocide was charged only with regard to crimes committed against the Cham and the Vietnamese minorities as those presented, at first glance, with the least difficulties.

The ECCC judges may change the legal characterization of the crimes brought to their attention (see Internal Rule 98). However, with such limited charges, they will be unlikely to want to address further controversial issues of genocide with regard to the Cambodian case during the trial. Excluding from the court records, open debate on possible characterizations of genocide of crimes committed against other groups of the Cambodian population will undeniably disappoint many victims. Those will indeed be left without explanations on the reason of the exclusion of “their” crimes from the characterization of genocide and may have the feeling that their suffering is not recognized.

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  1. “the characterization of genocide within the definition of the Convention only applies to crimes committed on minority groups”

    With respect, genocide can be perpetrated against people who are a majority in their own country. The genocide of the Poles in WWII is an obvious example.

  2. Dear Melanie,

    Firstly, allow me to congratulate you on the thorough analysis of the genocide controversy before the Ex/oCCC.

    Secondly, if I may ask, are you of the opinion that a revival of the highly controversial negative definition test advocated in the post-Jelisić (1999) jurisprudence of the ICTY, although finally repudiated under the dicta of the Stakić Case (2003), may meet the factual peculiarities of the ‘Cambodian genocide’?

    Personally, I think that no existent jurisprudential precedent (not even the Akayeshu principle) can do justice under these particular circumstances. If the whole problematic is to be focused on the political nature of the discriminatory criteria (new vs base etc etc), we know that the law as it stands appears inadequate, much like the conclusion of the IACommHR in the Diaz Case (1997).

    However, given the uniquity of the case in hand, I believe that one possible solution rests within the combination of the Quigley-coined concept of auto-/self-genocide [Quigley at §303e in Nike & alt (eds), Genocide in Cambodia (2000)] and the ICTR’s Bagilishema jurisprudential rule on the quasi-fictional creation of groups (prescribed by the Convention) in the mind of the perpetrator. Do you think that such a scenario is possible given the position adopted by the Chambers so far?

  3. Hurst Hannum wrote an interesting article on Cambodian Genocide and recognized the possibility of “auto-genocide” (when the perpetrator is from the same group that is targeted), but most of his examples were political or ideological targetings and can be crimes against humanity but not genocide. An extract is in our casebook: Paust, Bassiouni, et al., International Criminal Law 839-43 (4 ed. 2013, Carolina Academic Press — http://www.cap-press.com )

  4. Thank you to the three of you for your relevant comments and interesting questions which has led me to write a quite long reply… Dimitrios mentioned several decisions from the ICTY-R. I have tried to apply all of them to the Cambodian case.
    – Concerning the negative construction of the ‘protected groups’ (ICTY, Jelisic 1999)
    In Jelisic, the ICTY Trial Chamber (TC) elaborated a negative construction of the concept of “protected group” (para. 70-71). It first chose to evaluate membership in a national, ethnical or racial group using a subjective criterion. It is the stigmatisation of a group as a distinct national, ethnical or racial unit by the community which allows it to be determined whether a targeted population constitutes a national, ethnical or racial group in the eyes of the alleged perpetrators. It then held that a group may be stigmatised in this manner by way of positive or negative criteria. A “negative approach” would consist of identifying individuals as not being part of the group to which the perpetrators of the crime consider that they themselves belong and which to them displays specific national, ethnical, racial or religious characteristics. Thereby, all individuals thus rejected would, by exclusion, make up a distinct group.
    In my opinion, it remains that within this approach, the group to which the perpetrators consider that they themselves belong (the Khmer Rouge group) needs to display specific national, ethnical, racial or religious characteristics that to them, they do not share with the other groups.

    The Khmer Rouge group has no religion (religious characteristic) and indeed, the Khmer Rouge targeted people for religious grounds, not only the Muslim Cham group, but also Buddhist monks. The Khmer Rouge are Cambodians (national characteristic) and indeed, they targeted the Vietnamese group. However, they also stigmatised other Cambodians, namely people belonging to the same national group. We can do the same observation if we consider the ethnic and racial characteristics of the Khmer Rouge group. Indeed, the Khmer Rouge targeted other Khmers. Historians agree that 80% of Khmer nationals were victims of the Khmer Rouge atrocities (see Ciorciarci John D., Chhang Youk, Documenting the Crimes of Democratic Kampuchea (2005), p. 261). Furthermore, some members of the Khmer Rouge group were not Khmers but belonged to ethnic minorities, for example the Jarai minority. The Khmer Rouge also targeted members of their own group within internal purges (Indictment, § 192).

    This shows that it is very difficult to define the Khmer Rouge group as a religious, national, ethnic, or racial group distinct from the populations that they stigmatised. Indeed, the membership to the Khmer Rouge group was not determined by religious, national, ethnic or racial criteria but by political criteria. The Khmer rouge targeted everyone who did not share their ideology (whether real or supposed), calling them “enemies” (Indictment, § 1417) or “bad elements”.

    It seems that the Khmer Rouge had a very particular idea of their “race” and of its purity. For instance, the systematic massacre of the cadres of the Khmer Republic (the previous regime) and their families indicates that the Khmer Rouge considered a certain percentage of the Cambodian population, although Khmer, as not fit for their envisaged society and hence bound for destruction (see rightly Hannum Hurst, International Law and Cambodian Genocide: The Sounds of Silence, 1989 mentioned by Jordan in his comment). However, it seems that the Khmer Rouge “only” considered these people as vitiated and definitely corrupted by the previous regime. They remained members of the same racial group but had to be eliminated because irremediable.

    In Jelisic, the ICTY TC expressly excluded political groups from the potentially targeted groups protected by the Convention (para. 69). Consequently, I think that if the negative approach of the Jelisic case might, in the case of Cambodia, allow to characterize as genocide, crimes committed against other groups as those of the Cham and the Vietnamese (for instance, the Buddhist monks), it would nevertheless fail to account for crimes committed against people of the Cambodian and Khmer-majority group.
    Furthermore, as mentioned in your comment, such negative construction was later rejected by the ICTY Appeal Chamber in Stakic (2006): “the term ‘as such’ has great significance, for it shows that the offence requires intent to destroy a collection of people who have a particular group identity. Yet when a person targets individuals because they lack a particular national, ethnical, racial, or religious characteristic, the intent is not to destroy particular groups with particular identities as such, but simply to destroy individuals because they lack certain national, ethnical, racial or religious characteristics”. Thus, “genocide entails the destruction of unique, positively defined groups with particular identities”.

    I have mentioned in my post that the ‘as such’ requirement is not included in the ECCC domestic law establishing the Court. Thus, if this definition is applied, this may allow going back on the Stakic decision…

    – Concerning the possibility to add other ‘protected groups’ (ICTR, Akayesu 1998)
    In Akayesu, because of the ambiguities surrounding characterization of the Tutsi as one of the protected groups, the ICTR Trial Chamber expanded the definition of genocide. It held that the list of protected groups was not be limited to only the four groups expressly mentioned but also included any group which is stable and permanent like the said four groups (para. 516).

    In my post, I have mentioned the “new people” and highlighted that evidence showed “new people” members were targeted based on this identity (Indictment, §§ 227, 1417 and 1424). The question that arises is whether the “new people” might be considered a “stable and permanent” group within the meaning of the Convention. I think that there is here a matter of debate…

    In Akayesu, at para. 513, the ICTR Trial Chamber held that “stable” group are those “constituted in a permanent fashion” and exclude “membership in [stable and permanent] groups would seem to be normally not challengeable by its members, who belong to it automatically, by birth, in a continuous and often irremediable manner”.

    The “new people” were a group identity created and defined by the Khmer Rouge. The concepts of “base people” and “new people” had not existed in Cambodian society before the Khmer Rouge started distinguishing persons according to their urban or rural origin. The distinction was based on provenance and the social and economical background in a larger sense. The “new people” group included people from mostly urban areas that had not been under the control of the Khmer Rouge prior to 17 April 1975. Being quite loosely defined, it was comprised of a broad spectrum of the population (Forster Thomas, The Khmer Rouge and the Crime of Genocide, p.147). If the “new people” was to be “re-fashioned” and transformed to dependable and useful members of society, in fact, as it has been reported by witnesses testifying before the ECCC, its members were not able to be turned into members of the “base people” group and vice-versa.

    However, despite the relative stability of the “new people” and “base people” groups within the Khmer Rouge regime, it remains that the distinction between these groups rests on economic criteria. The ICTR Trial Chamber, also in Akayesu, opposed “stable group” to “more ‘mobile’ groups”, explicitly citing “political and economic groups”.

    For the moment, I quite agree with Dimitrios’ position. The current state of the international criminal jurisprudence does not appear to offer any interpretation of the Genocide Convention, which would mirror the Khmer Rouge phenomenon and account of its particularities. This is why in my post, I wrote that “although the Khmer Rouge had policies of group discrimination (…) with respect to groups identified within the ethnic Khmer- majority, the characterization of genocide within the definition of the Convention only applies to crimes committed on minority groups”. I should have added then “in the Cambodian case” to be right. Indeed, I agree with Rob, nothing in the Genocide Convention requires that a protected group be a minority group. However, I would express reservations about the relevance of the genocide of the Poles during World War II. It seems to me that in that case, the atrocities were committed by the German Nazis and not by the Poles themselves (but I am not a specialist, so I ask you to correct me if I am wrong). Indeed, what really makes the specificity of the Cambodian case, in my view, is that the Khmer Rouge seemed to have implemented a policy to “cleanse, purify and consolidate the[ir own] Khmer national group” (Hannum Hurst).

    – Concerning the possibility of an “auto-genocide” (Quigley John B. and Hannum Hurst)

    It seems to be admitted that cases where the victims are part of the perpetrators’ own group be excluded by the Convention (see Quigley John B.). In Cambodia, when it is said that perpetrators and victims belonged to the same group, the group meant is either that of the Cambodian nationals as defined by their nationality or the ethnic Khmer majority as defined according to a current definition of ethnicity (Forster Thomas). However, the categorization of the Khmer people as a national group does not appear to be too contentious. Indeed, various legal experts have recognized that the Khmer people constitute a national group within the meaning of the Convention (see for example, the report of the Group of Experts appointed by the UN Secretary General to assess the possibility to bring the Khmer Rouge to justice, UN Doc. S/1999/231, 1999) Thus, what may be argued is that the Khmer Rouge intended to destroy parts of their Khmer national group. This situation has been referred to as “autogenocide” (for example, Hannum Hurst, p. 107).

    Those who disagree with the characterisation of genocide of crimes committed against the Cambodian majority argue that, while the Cambodian people clearly constitute a national group, the Khmer Rouge targeted their non-minority Cambodian victims as members of political, professional, or economic groups (which are not protected groups under the definition of genocide), rather than as member of a national group” (Abrams Jason, Shabas William).

    For Hannum and Quigley, who affirm that these crimes may be characterised as genocide, the subtlety of the reasoning lies in the distinction between the intent and the motive. Indeed, Appeal Chambers of both ICTY-R have stated the “irrelevance” of motive and highlighted “the necessity to distinguish specific intent from motive”. The personal motive of the perpetrator of genocide may be, for example, to obtain personal economic benefits, or political advantage or some form of power. The existence of a personal motive does not preclude the perpetrator from also having the specific intent to commit genocide (see Jelisic, 5 July 2001, para. 49 or Blaskic, 29 July 2004, para. 694). The absence of a requirement of motive has led Hurst Hannum to point out that if one intends to destroy a protected group, it is not necessary that one do so out of a motivation related to the distinguishing feature of the group (p. 108). Thus, the political and economical background of the “new people” may be seen as “mere” features of the group which constituted a motive for attack rather than a bona fide social, political or economic group. For Hannum, “the wholesale massacres of families, villages and other subgroups of the Khmer people provide that the aim of the Khmer Rouge was (…) the wholesale remaking of the Khmer people according to a deliberately imposed vision. Indeed, the mass killings were a direct consequence of the Khmer Rouge’s specific intent to purify the Khmer national group. The regime’s intent to purify the group implies their intent to destroy part of group as such.” (p. 89).

    During the investigation stage in Case 002, the victims’ lawyers filed an investigative request to the Co-Investigating Judges concerning the charge of genocide against the Khmer nationals to appoint an expert to establish whether the charge of genocide against this group may be justifiable. Despite my research, I have not found the answer of the Co-Investigating Judges to this request and whether they granted or rejected it. However, as the indictment does not include genocide charge for the crimes committed against the Khmer national group, I conclude that either they did not appoint the expert, or that the appointed expert found that the facts could not be characterised as genocide.

    What I find particularly unfortunate is that this debate has not taken place publicly at the ECCC, especially because I think that Hannum’s position (or Quigley’s one) is not without interest. The investigation stage before the ECCC is conducted by two Co-Investingating Judges (and not by the parties like at the ICTY-R) in order to exclude the charges for which there is not enough supporting evidence and thus, makes the trial phase simpler and quicker. However, this phase is confidential.

    During the trial, the procedural rules allow the judges to raise the issue of genocide against the Khmer national group on their own. However, I think that the Trial Chamber is unlikely to address the issue on genocide due to the very limited genocide charges included in the indictment and in particular, its concern to quickly try the (old and frequently ill) accused. For this debate to take place, one of the parties would have to mention the issue at hearing. It is, I think, the role of the 2 lead lawyers who represent the victims (called civil parties) at the ECCC to do so because it would be in their interests, but it will depend on their priorities.

  5. Dear Mélanie,

    I kindly thank you for your detailed and learned response to my layman’s questions regarding the Ex/oCCC.

    You original post’s interesting and lucid observations can only be compared to the present rejoinder of yours.

    Allow me to express the wish of reading more products of your scientific research on this or other relevant subjects.

    Until then,

    Veuillez recevoir madame mes sincères salutations.

    D A K

  6. Indeed, a very informed and nuanced response to our responses. Thanks.
    I agree that auto-genocide is possible (e.g., a Catholic person killing other Catholics because they are Catholic [or at least in part because they are Catholic, perhaps having “mixed” or several motives). With respect to Hurt’s attention to targetings, however, it seems that most were not targeted because they were Khemer but for other reasons (e.g., political, ideological, class, education).
    I do not think that the Akayesu attempt to rewrite the Convention was appropriate with respect to so-called “stable” and other groups.
    Reality is also more complex — some people change their religion or national status (unstable) as well as their political opinions.

  7. p.s. “Hurt’s” should be “Hurst’s”

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Resource distribution is fundamental to social organization, but it poses a dilemma. How to facilitate the spread of useful resources but restrict harmful substances? This dilemma reaches a zenith in famine relief. Survival depends on distributing food fast but that could increase vulnerability to poisons. We tested how Temnothorax albipennis ants solve this dilemma in the distribution of honey solution after 48 h of starvation in four colonies with individually marked workers. We constructed the complete network of liquid food transmission (trophallaxis) between individuals. Within the first 30 min of famine relief, 95% of the workers received food and the distribution rate was an order of magnitude faster compared to the controls. We tested the assumptions of a simple analytical model that best fitted our data. Good mixing during famine relief was facilitated by the movement of internal workers away from the brood pile and the movement of foragers with food away from the nest entrance. This is intriguing because T. albipennis workers have spatial fidelity zones and in the controls internal and external workers were segregated. We discovered that colony vulnerability to poisons during famine relief might be mitigated by: (1) the dilution of food from the same source through mixing, (2) the concentration of food in workers positioned midway between the colony centre and its periphery and (3) the existence of living ‘silos’. The latter are expendable foragers, who stay inside the nest and store food during famine relief, thus acting as potential disposable testers for food toxicity. Copyright © 2010 Elsevier B.V.

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    Excerpts from 2012 Sarasota trip day four

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    French toast sticks, strangled eggs and turkey sausage 'links'. Had a pretty light breakfast because the plan was to hit up Yoders famous cafe. Apparently, this was the Amish place where Adam Jones had his rant about Yankees and Red Sox fans invading Camden Yards. The irony is that, last time I checked, the Amish are pacifists and Jones advocated violence. Not complaining, I just thought it was pretty funny.

    I got the fried egg on toast sandy. Pretty simple stuff, but it was good. The toast was hearty and the egg was fried to perfection. I added hot sauce and a piece of the Ham hock that they served BroPhil when he ordered a side of ham'b (It was a huge slice of ham.)

    We had a few hours to kill, so we first drove past Ed Smith on the off chance that the kids would be getting after it on the practice field. Just imagine if you drove by to see Brian Roberts and Nick Markakis chasing each other around the practice field, snapping each other with towels. Then Buck comes out and is like 'I thought I told you two to cut it out!' and they're like 'Sorry Mr. Showalter...' But it was not to be. When we drove by all was quiet.

    Because we did not yet have tix for that night's game, BroMatt was getting a little paranoid -- is the game gonna sell out, are we going to be left in the cold, oh, oh oh! -- so to ease his troubled mind we swung past McKechnie field and secured our tix. $10 per, with postgame firecrackers included. Beat that!

    While BroMatt queued up, BroPhil went inside Popis Place, which is right next to the stadium (just about touching it for goodness sake) to relieve himself. Apparently it's the only place worth a damn visiting in this Bradenton neighborhood, aside from McKechnie. I don't know about that, all I know is that I was sitting there quietly reading my book (The Final Frontiersman) when I heard a commotion. I turned to see some guy, maybe 50 or so with a moustache, cursing loudly and spiking his Pirates hat against the open door of his rental car. He appeared to be by himself.

    I would have stared a little longer to try to decipher what his blow-up was about, but I've learned in life that if someone is talking to themselves, and you look at them long enough, they'll soon be talking to you. He drove off, and I can only assume that his rage was over a parking ticket. One might have assumed that he was just so upset about the Pirates' fortunes over the past two decades, but I don't often spike my hats in public because of the Orioles' struggles. I have had plenty of other, more intimate, failings in life that drive me to sudden bursts of fury while sitting alone in my car in traffic.

    Afterward, we wanted to check out some place called the Cortez Clam Factory that BroPhil had sniffed out on the iNet. It looked pretty trashy from the outside. Just another dirtbag dump in some strip mall in the middle of the blazing sun in Nowhere, Fla. We went inside and it looked about as classy on the inside as it did on the outside. Apparently the oysters and shrimp were top notch, according to BroPhil and BroMatt, but I sat this one out. I'm not as much of a seafood connoisseur as they are, and the $50 at Phillipes the night before was enough for one trip. I had one draft beer and one packet of saltines and we were on our way.

    Up the coast, we find a parking spot on Holmes Beach and venture out into the sand. BroPhil and I regret not packing in our swim trunks for this excursion, and BroMatt takes a refreshing dip. BroMatt wins the award for most dips on the trip. BroPhil has to pee AGAIN, so ventures off for a receptacle. I read on and peak through my sunglasses at the talent. I have to pee, and BroPhil -- having since returned -- recommends the nearby Anchor Inn. I flip-flop my way in and am immediately recognized by a couple of bar flies.

    'Are you guys brothers, or what!?'

    'Haha, actually yes.'

    Anchor Inn is exactly the kind of bar I love: full of people living in quiet desperation. It was dingy and spartan, but had three pool tables, a good juke box, lots of cold bottles of beer and lots of pictures of drunk patrons dating back to the early 90s on the walls.

    Back at the beach, I crack a Milwaukee's Best Ice and continue my reading. Some guy walks by in a black speedo and nothing else, doing the Ned Flanders power walk. He's got a silver crew cut, and he's incredibly awesome. BroPhil gets video. Later some busty beach bunny and her beaux walk by. She comments on my attire, criticizing my long-sleeved shirt (I, regretfully, dressed for that night's game and not the beach). 'I'm trying not to get sunburned,' was my meek response. 'Well you're doing a good job, have you ever heard of sunscreen?' OH ***** I just got burned, and it wasn't by the sun! Luckily they didn't kick sand on my face.

    We actually did contemplate sharing BroMatt's trunks (swimmer A wades and bathes, then trades bottoms with swimmer B, who wades and bathes, and so forth) but ultimately decided against it. We ran into a similar predicament back at the Hampton Inn. After three nights at the inn, each Bro got his own bed exactly once. What of the fourth night? The solution: all bros in one bed, one vacant bed...NOT!

    Once BroMatt also recorded video of that bronzed beach body speed walker on his return route, and used the facilities at Anchor Inn, we decided it was time to move on, but not before an encore at Anchor Inn. After a round of PBR 16 ozers and the following tunes on the junk box -- Sister Christian, The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys, and Possum Kingdom ? it was off to the game.

    Parking was in the Boys and Girls club field directly behind CF. It's a charming expanse of grass of which a small parcel can be rented for only $7. When I asked the attendant where the port-a-pot was (urination, and the source of it, has become a common theme by now) he recommends going by some tree or between some trailers. Hey, I like this guy.

    Next, I get to do one of my best jokes of the trip. When another attendant approaches and is shooting the breeze about spring training, I say 'Have you ever been to Dunedin (the Blue Jays ST facility)?' He says no, but undeterred, I come back with, 'Well, you know what they say about Dunedin: when you're 'done eatin' it's time to start drinkin'!' He chuckles and quickly retreats. I laugh on the outside and cry on the inside.

    After that we crack some beers, crank the Grateful Dead out of the rig, and get a little Trac Ball and long toss going. GREAT times.

    Into the stadium:

    McKechnie is maybe the oldest (?) and least gentrified of all of the Grapefruit League fields, or so I've read online and experienced with the handful that I've been to. It looks like a minor league stadium. Ads line the outfield wall, families are all over the dang place, concessions are built into the inner wall. Beer prices are as much as, or more than Ed Smith, which is kind of a downer, but I was DD this night, and not buying, so no big deal. I did buy a 'jumbo dog' for $5 and it was fine.

    They have a speed pitch setup going that doesn't get too crowded, so that was fun. Full disclosure: I touched 65 on the JUGS. In my defense, I saw other, full grown, athletic looking adults rearing back and popping the mitt in the mid 50s. I'm not saying their device wasn't calibrated properly, but I have touched high 70s on similar, perhaps miscalibrated in the other direction, set-ups. Regardless, no Andrew McCutchen bobble head for me (you can win one by correctly predicting your speed on the third pitch. I was 1 mph off both times, $1 for three pitches).

    This is also known as one of the best stadiums for autographs, and I can see why. Next to each team's locker room (the High-A Marauders play here during minor league season) is a little ramp that all the players walk directly past several times for game. A few years ago I saw Ryan Howard giving out grafs like candy canes at Christmas time, and on this night we got JJ Hardy, Armando 'Perfect Game In My Book' Galarraga and Tommy Hunter to sign a Conway Street banner. The banner was procured at FanFest two years ago for a modest fee, and features Guthrie on one side and Jones on the other. Guthrie signed two years ago at ST and couldn't have been nicer about it. I'm gonna miss having him in orange and black.

    Sadly, we missed out on Adam Jones, again! He did the old 'gimme one sec and I'll be right back out' routine, but never came back. People say this guy is real fan friendly, but I haven't seen it. I'll continue to give him the benefit of the doubt, though. Honestly, I try to get grafs maybe once a year, and this is it. I don't see how people can go through this humiliating process at every game they go to.

    Oh yeah, the mascot, Pirate Parrot, came out in some inflatable suit and did some hilarious bit to that TubThumping song 'I Get Knocked Down' where he kept crawling around inside the suit and it looked like he was falling and standing back up in ludicrous positions. Classic.

    The game:

    Some guy named Bedard went six innings, striking out five, walking one and allowing only one earned run. Who is this kid? He looked pretty good. Why couldn't the Os have picked him up? It's funny, scanning the P'ratz roster I see a lot of familiar cats: Daniel Cabrera, Jake Fox, JoJo Reyes. Last year they had D-Lee and Garrett Atkins. I'd make some joke about them digging through our trash, except we both live in a landfill, so what would it mean really?

    Actually, I am pretty excited about Tommy Hunter. Not only did he sign after the game, which always improves a player's stock in my eyes, but he looked great on Monday: 6 ip, 1 h, 1 bb, 5 k, 0 r. It was against the Pirates, and I'm not foolish enough to tab him a 20-game winner. But I think he's going to be a solid No. 3 in the AL East, pitching 200 innings eventually, winning 12 games or so, and striking out 100 or more. I think we'd all take that.

    AJ had a big strikeout with the bases loaded. Maybe that's why he didn't sign. At one point, during pregame, when fans were requesting AJs presence, one of the basecoaches (maybe DeMarlo Hale) was like 'His bubble gum card isn't worth 5 cents!' First of all, bubble gum card??? Second of all, its not for $$$ DeMarlo, it's for the basement bar!

    I digress. Wieters 3-4 with a long RBI double. The kid can hit, what more can you say?

    Galarraga warmed up a lot in the pen. Got a lot of instruction from, I presume, Bill Castro, on mechanics and release points. Pretty interesting to see. Also, coaches Brady Anderson and Mike Bordick were milling all about. Anderson looks like he could still play. Bordick was dominating a postgame sandwich.

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Ugochukwu, Francoise (2011). Language and identity: the impact of Nigerian video films on diasporic communities. In: Language, Identity, and Intercultural Communication, A joint conference of the BAAL Intercultural Communication Special Interest Group and The Annual Bloomsbury Round Table, 9-10 June 2011, London, UK.

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Today, while 54% of Nigerian migrants live in the United States, a significant 10% are found in the United Kingdom, and the Nigerian Diaspora in Britain is probably the largest in Europe. Research carried out between January and March this year shows that meeting others either face-to-face or online through social networks, helps Nigerians keep in touch; this occupies 72.7% of the 2011 respondents for a significant portion of their free time. Part of this recreational time is equally spent together with other Nigerians or Africans viewing video films in Nigerian languages, massively preferred to foreign films. 87.2% of respondents clearly perceive language as part of their cultural heritage and identity, a legacy to be cherished and protected especially in diasporic situations, a vital tool to communicate with older relatives in Nigeria and keep in touch with one’s roots; this marked interest for language also reveals the premium placed on communication among long-term migrants. Those films might be accused of keeping Nigerians abroad in limbo, resisting acculturation and rooted in a ‘neither here nor there’ space, yet they have empowered them to reclaim their culture and history and present it to others. This paper, based on two sets of questionnaires and interviews dated 2009 and 2011, seeks to evaluate the impact of Nigerian video-films among diasporic communities in the UK and reasons behind the success of these films among resettled Nigerians, focusing on Igbo and Yoruba speakers. It investigates the potential importance of language in viewers’ motivations and practices, the role played by the cultural message of the language in identity-reinforcement within the Nigerian community, and the impact of these video-films on the revival of language and cultural practices among diasporic communities.

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Formatting of Quotations

Is there a way to format the quotations so it is clear they are distinct? I know in academic usage, if a quotation ends in quotation marks that indicates the passage has come to an end and the next quotation is from a different work...but not everyone knows this shorthand. Bullet points, maybe? --Willibrord 20:42, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

Including the "Liturgy of St Gregory the Great" on this link

I am stating this here, because I do not want to start an edit-war.

The Liturgy of St Gregory the Great was revised by St Gregory and those revisions are reflected in pre-schismatic usages. The Tridentine Mass is essentially a heavy revision of the Gregorian Liturgy, and Willibrord is fully aware of this, based on his previous edit wars. I would suggest that you could say that the Gregorian Mass forms the *basis* of the AWRV's "Liturgy of St Gregory the Great" (which is primarily-- and no one denies this-- an edited Tridentine Mass), but to imply that the two are one and the same is intellectually dishonest.

I am not saying that this is not a good or proper liturgy, as you may assume-- it's not perfect, but it is certainly better than the "Liturgy of St Tikhon". However, it is NOT the liturgy St Gregory authored, unless we wish to link the Sarum, Braga, and other variations of the Roman rite which have a better claim to authorship by St Gregory.--JosephSuaiden 18:34, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

All this because I linked a reference of the Liturgy of St. Gregory to the OrthodoxWiki entry about the Liturgy of St. Gregory? I fail to see the outrage.
My edit listed this saint's exact contribution to the Roman Mass, remarks it bears his name in his honor, then links to the OrthodoxWiki entry proving the fact: the Liturgy of St. Gregory (as I note on that Talk page, it is not called "The Liturgy of St. Gregory the Great"). The Mass he celebrated at Rome was heavily edited long before the Great Schism, perhaps nowhere moreso than in the Sarum Use. (Ironically, the Tridentine Mass actually arrested medieval, post-Schism development as found, e.g., in the Sarum Mass, and turned back toward pre-Schism Liturgy -- but all this is immaterial to the entry.) As this is not a private blog, frankly your opinion of the Mass referred to on another entry is immaterial.
I'm adding back the edits, simply because as this entry stands there is a non-word "ss" where "as" should be and an extra space where you deleted "erroneously." I also added a word about Gregorian chant. (I'm holding out hope perhaps there will be no edit war on the grounds the monks at Solemnes reconstructed Gregorian chant....) --Willibrord 19:33, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

You say "and turned back toward pre-Schism Liturgy". That is a Roman Catholic argument. However, factually it is incorrect, and Roman liturgical scholars have noted for centuries that the attempt to make the Liturgy "pre-schism" largely failed. It *did* standardize the liturgy. It did *not* restore it to a pre-schism usage.

BTW, the Sarum liturgy's usages can be traced back to the time of the schism, so you are incorrect.

You also added back the link, and I will update accordingly to reflect the reality, and I will leave your link as is while fixing the factual information.

Am I the only one who finds this entire discussion off-topic for this entry? --Willibrord 19:41, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

What is off topic is claiming St Gregory's authorship to a 20th century usage.--JosephSuaiden 19:48, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

...Which my edits to this entry didn't do. I simply said there's an Orthodox liturgy that bears his name, because he made a contribution to it. Then I linked the liturgy (where the entry I link states "1570," "Tridentine," etc.) Discussion of liturgical minutiae are off-topic to this entry. --Willibrord 19:58, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

Nice try. But you added the link. The reality is that St Gregory did not author this liturgy and so the link did not belong there. You are correct-- this discussion does not belong to a hagiography. So you should stop introducing mythology into it. It has no place in an encyclopedia.--JosephSuaiden 20:03, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

The facts are clear:
-I said there is a liturgy in Orthodoxy named in St. Gregory's honor;
-I listed the exact contribution he made to that liturgy;
-I added an internal link to the liturgy in question, which is good form on OrthodoxWiki.
I didn't say he authored the entire thing, that the liturgy has not been edited in any way since his day, etc. (Those are strawman arguments.) This entry is not a discussion of the liturgy at all; it's a discussion of his life. And these are facts. I think any admin will agree, now that you've undoubtedly gotten their attention. So, I'll set this entry right one last time and leave it to them to ajudicate, if they feel it necessary. (Deep sigh.) --Willibrord 20:42, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

Whether St Gregory should be ascribed authorship to the Presanctified Liturgy

I have also removed the word "erroneously" from the question of authorship of the Presanctified Liturgy. When confronted with a choice between "modern research" that makes a general (but unproven) assumption versus what the Church has continuously taught-- that St Gregory is the author of a particular liturgy-- we go by what the Church teaches, and can note that modern scholarship debates that claim. Ironically, we find ourselves in a reverse of the above predicament, where we are adding a Saint's name to a liturgy codified ten centuries after his death and fourteen after its introduction into the use of the Orthodox Church. --JosephSuaiden 18:44, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

There seems to be a confusing of "Tradition" and "traditions." The authorship of the Presanctified Liturgy and title given thereto are not Orthodox dogmas.
Nor is there much question St. Gregory the Great had little-to-nothing to do with the Presanctified Liturgy of the Eastern Church. The way his name got appended to this text is outlined in the indicated pages of Uspensky. One can also turn to The Year of Grace of the Lord, p. 132. Even the website of one Orthodox jurisdiction states, "The Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts is traditionally considered to be the work of the sixth-century pope, Saint Gregory of Rome. The present service, however, is obviously the inspired liturgical creation of Christian Byzantium." If anyone is interested in this argument, this link may also be interesting.
Not to pile on, but you have talked yourself into a twist: on the one hand, you insist on keeping his name appended to the Presanctified Liturgy, to which St. Gregory made no contribution whatever, but you refuse to hear the Church call the other text "the Liturgy of St. Gregory," although he made significant contributions to it. --Willibrord 19:33, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't aware the vicariate consulted St Gregory 14 centuries after his repose, but I am glad to see he is still working on new redactions! Kudos! I see that you wish to not read ANYTHING I said, which was based upon factual standards. In case you haven't noticed, I am trying to include your POV while remaining factual. By contrast, you are deleting POV's and ignoring fact.

The quote above says NOTHING about the authorship of the liturgy, save that traditionally St Gregory is considered its author. NOTHING supports the idea of it being 'erroneous' and you don't have a basis for the claim. --JosephSuaiden 19:45, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

The links provided demonstrate just that, if you read them. This saint, as far as can be told, made no contribution to the Byzantine Presanctified whatever. That is important, as it also deals with a part of his life (in this case, a false legend).--Willibrord 19:58, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

I believe you are calling black white and vice versa-- St Gregory did not author the liturgy you claim he did; and without proof he didn't write the Presanctified (though the Church has always taught he did) you claim he was not the author. --JosephSuaiden 20:04, August 23, 2008 (UTC)

I do not claim he is the "author" of the entire liturgy; for one thing, parts of it long predate him. I made a specific (and undeniable) statement about his contribution to the Roman Mass; and a specific (and undeniable) statement that it is named in his honor. The liturgy is not at question here, nor is anything I wrote controversial.--Willibrord 20:42, August 23, 2008 (UTC)
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I am an reader, contributor, editor, and sysop here at the OW. In case you are wondering, I would refer to myself as a non-Orthodox / Heterodox Christian. I have a very strong interest in Eastern Orthodoxy and its relationship to the historic Christian faith. I also edit pages at Wikipedia, but I prefer to work here.

If you would like to learn more about me you can visit my home page, However, I can't promise you will find lots of engaging information there. If you are more interested in my spiritual life you can read the About Joe page on my site.

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Using Photo Streams in iOS & OS X

Photo Streams are a great addition to iOS, but thus far seem to be an underused feature. With Photo Stream, you can easily share a collection of images with a select group of people, without having to go through the usual avenues of social networks. Instead, you create an instant gallery right out of the Photos app, select people to share it with, and that’s about it. If you feel like sharing it with a broader audience, you can even get a URL which allows anyone to view the images through the web.

If you’re unfamiliar with Photo Stream, here’s how to create a stream, add people to shared photo streams, add and remove images, and of course, how to delete them too. This process will be the same on any iOS device running a modern version of iOS, including iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad mini.

How to Create and Share Photo Streams from iPhone & iPad

  1. Open “Photos” app and enter camera roll or an album, then tap “Edit”
  2. Tap each picture you want to add to the shared stream, images will appear with a red checkmark on it, then tap “Share” followed by “Photo Stream”
  3. Add people to share the photo stream with, give the stream a name, tap “Next” and then “Post” to share the stream

If you start the creation process from the Photo Stream tab instead, the Next button will automatically be “Create”. That’s obviously easy enough, but you can also add more people to shared streams, add or remove pictures, and of course delete the stream entirely.

How to Add More People to Existing Shared Photo Streams

  • Open “Photos” app and tap the “Photo Stream” button
  • Tap the blue button next to the stream, then look under “Subscribers” and tap “Add People…”

How to Add or Remove Pictures to Existing Shared Photo Streams

  • From Photos app, again tap the Photo Stream button
  • Tap the Photo Stream to add pictures to, then tap “Edit”, followed by “Add” to browse through Camera Roll and select images to add to the shared stream, tap “Done” when finished

How to Delete a Photo Stream in iOS

  • From Photos, tap the blue > arrow button next to the photo stream name
  • Scroll to the bottom and tap the big red “Delete Photo Stream” button, confirm the deletion

Remember that once you have Photo Streams enabled, you can also access them in OS X through Finder, iPhoto, and even as a screen saver. Photo Streams are also available as a screen saver on Apple TV.

Using Photo Streams in iOS

You will find that the interface to use Photo Streams in iOS and OS X is slightly different depending on the version of software you are using, but ultimately the feature and it’s abilities remain the same, regardless of the version of iOS that is loaded on the iPhone or iPad.

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  1. Michael says:

    Can all subscribers add photos to the photo stream? Or can only the creator add/ remove photos?

  2. I love shared photostreams. It is an easy way to share selected pictures with the rest of my family.

  3. Liz says:

    I found this very easy to do in iPhoto on my mac. I am a tech savvy makeup and hair artist and would love to use this tip to easily provide access to my portfolio from my website (right now I use a plugin to my WordPress them, and it’s not very easy). BUT (1) CAN I REORDER THE PHOTOS? (2) WILL THE PHOTOSTREAM URL GO AWAY – I read on another site that you can’t re-order the photos because they only “last” for 30 days anyway.

    Thank you!

  4. Db says:

    How can I add subscribers on the iPad. Or later make a shared photo stream public (again on an iPad)? The screen accessed by the iPhone’s blue arrow is not on an iPad. My iOS is up to date.

    • Well, I’ve tried your case. I have iPad 3rd with 6.0.1. When you have list of your photostreams, just tap on top right button “Adjust”, on shared photostreams you’ll see X (crosses), than just tap into the picture (not on cross as by this you’ll delete your photostream). When you tap on picture a modify window with name and subscribers will appear.

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Friday, March 25, 2011

Cute Lunchbox Love Notes

I found these adorable printables on Tip Junkie I thought it might be fun to add some of these to our lunches and I may use them for my Hubby too.  When Lane started Kindergarten I put a family photo in his lunchbox on the first day of school, it was a fun way for me to let him know I loved him and missed him.  I'm such a baby when it comes to letting my boys out of my sight, so Lane had hardly been away from me when he went to school.  Of course HE didn't even give me a little backward glance or shed even one tear when I LEFT HIM with a STRANGER...aka his teacher.  Okay need to move on, obviously I have a obsession little issue with my kids.  Back to lunches now.

Since Lane is unable to eat school lunch, and we always pack a lunch for him. He is such a funny boy when it comes to his lunches...PB&J suit him just fine almost everyday.  That just sounds terrible to me, the same lunch everyday.  I try to mix it up a little.  One of the best ideas I've had was to get a copy of the schools lunch menu, I can copy some of the lunches pretty easily or just get ideas.  Lane LOVES for me to bring him a copy of the days hot lunch.  It is just a simple thing to make him feel like he fits into the lunchroom crowd.  I'm lucky he feels different when he does eat gluten it sure does make it easier for him to want to avoid it.

Our favorite packed lunches are:
  1. PB&J (on Udi's Gluten free bread)
  2. Tuna fish with mayo & relish on chips or crackers (BBQ chips are really good)
  3. Lunch meat, cheese, and Gluten free crackers (we roll it or cube it kind of like the lunchables idea)
  4. Leftover Pizza (when we have pizza I always make enough for him to take some to lunch the next day)
  5. Turkey sandwich (on Udi's Gluten free bread of course)
  6. Soup (we really like homemade chicken noodle soup)
I've tried leftovers in cute little boxes and he just isn't having it.  Now Levi is a completely different kid when it comes to his lunches...he's like me LOTS of variety.  I'm not sure how I'll manage when I have to make him lunches.  At least that isn't for a few more years...

What do you do to make you kids' lunches special?

Monday, March 7, 2011

Oh Soo Good Candy Carrots

Levi renamed these carrots, I just called them candied carrots.  But after trying one he said they were "Oh so good candy carrots!"  So I think I'll call them that.  Greg and I had eatten out a while ago and Greg had these.  He has been asking me to find a recipe for them.  All the recipes had different things in them so I just simplified them to make this one.

1 1b. baby carrots
1/4 c. butter
1/4 c. packed brown sugar
1/8 t. salt

I like using the smallest baby carrots they seem to be a  little sweeter, I cut them in half them put them in a sauce pan with about an inch of water when it starts to boil put lid on and simmer for 8-9 min.  Drain water off carrots and set them aside.  Using the same pan combine the rest of the ingredients.  Once the butter has melted put carrots back in pan and cook on medium heat until carrots are tender and sauce has thickened about 5 min.  It makes about 4-servings.  Hope you enjoy it as much as we did!   I didn't get photo before the boys devoured them.

Sunday, January 30, 2011

Crockpot Buffalo Chicken Lasagna

                                                      Photo from A Year of Slow Cooking

I found the BEST blog for crockpot cooking and as an added bonus she does it gluten-free.  I am a true fan of Stephanie over at A Year of Slow Cooking.  I love to use my crockpot for busy days.  What's better than coming home after being gone all day to have a wonderful home cooked dinner waiting for you?  The only downfall to crockpot cooking is being at home all day while it makes me really hungry!   For dinner yesterday we had Crockpot Buffalo Chicken Lasagna and the whole family said it is a keeper.  The first thing Greg said was I need a BIGGER crockpot, now that is a compliment if I ever heard one.  On a side note it is really good as leftovers...that's what I'm doing right now eating leftovers for lunch, so good.  I used to ask the question if everyone liked dinner and then I would make it again and they weren't happy about it.  So to avoid that confusion I now ask the question "would you want me to make this again?"  It has saved me more times than I would like to admit.  So now this goes into my list of dinner options...I love a good list!  Of course I did have to modify the recipe since I'm the only one that will eat peppers and Bleu cheese...thanks but I'll pass.  So this is how I made ours

uncooked traditional lasagna noodles (I used Tinkyada brand)
--4 cups cooked/shredded/frozen chicken

--jar of Prego pasta sauce
--1/4 cup Frank's buffalo wing sauce
----tub of ricotta cheese (15 oz)
--2 cups shredded cheese (mozzarella)
----1/4 cup of water (add at very end)

Mix the chicken, pasta sauce, and buffalo wing sauce in a bowl.  Put a little in the bottom of your crockpot, next layer noodles, ricotta, and shredded cheese, repeat until it's all gone I was able to get 3 layers.  Add the water to your pasta sauce jar and sloosh around, pour over the top of the lasagna.  Put lid on and cook on high for 4-5 hours or low for 8-9 hours.  Take lid off and let set for about 20 min.
I made some garlic bread out of Ener-G Foods light tapioca loaf by toasting the bread then adding some butter and a little garlic powder, we use McCormick, and then just pop it in the oven for about 5 min. at 350.
I was a little worried about it being too spicy but it wasn't.  Have you tried making Lasagna in the crockpot?

Sunday, January 9, 2011

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I LOVE!!  And no I'm not being paid to say so!  They have the best deals on lots of Gluten-free products, we buy anyway.  And to have it shipped for free to my front steps is even better.  I am signed up for their Subscribe & Save program.  Some of my favorites are.

Bob's Red Mill Gluten Free Quick Cooking Oats, 32-Ounce Bags (Pack of 4)here

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This is what I make our homemade Instant Oatmeal out of.  The cost is sooo much cheaper than the store bought, plus I know what the ingredients are.  And as an added bonus I can make lots of different flavors for Lane!

Ener-G Foods Light Tapioca Loaf, 8-Ounce Packages (Pack of 6) here

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This is the bread we eat most often.  It is not the best for sandwiches, that would be Udi's sandwich bread.  This is very good if it is toasted or as french toast.  But compared to Udi's at $5.49 a loaf and this is less than $2.00 a loaf delivered to our front door, this is what we eat most of the time.

Friday, January 7, 2011

Trade your unused stuff

I recently heard about a group of women that hold a monthly trade session.  How it works is everyone gets together once a month and hold a kind of trading session.  It's kind of like a donation/yard sale/swap meet event.  How we work the trades are determined by the group.  The group that I saw simply brought what they didn't want and anyone could take the stuff that the other people brought.  Any items not wanted, the hostess took and donated to a local charity.  I thought this sounded kind of neat.  The items ranged from clothing to household appliances to toys and anything else your household no longer has a use for.

Thursday, January 6, 2011

Well...our well stopped working!

In the middle of putting in a load of laundry yesterday the water turned off, and now 24 hours later we still don't have water.  Greg called the well guy and they are out there as we speak putting in a new pump.  So unfortunately I've had to put a delay on the kitchen, it's hard to clean a room with no water.  But I plan on starting it tomarrow, since we should have water in a few hours.

Monday, January 3, 2011

Gluten-Free Peanut Butter Playdough

Levi all of a sudden decided he wanted to play with playdough, I have luckily been able to avoid it since going Gluten-free but yesterday he saw our box of playdough stuff and repeatedly asked to play with it.  I really felt bad having to tell him no it's not gluten-free.  He kept asking for gluten-free playdough, so I though maybe I could find something I could make.  Then I saw this and thought I actually have all these things already, no going to the store to find outrageously priced gluten-free flours.  If you can't have nuts you can substitute sunbutter, you may have to adjust the powdered sugar, but it is super easy to play around with.  Have lots of fun!

Peanut Butter Playdough
- 1 cup peanut butter
- 1/2 cup honey
- 2 cups powdered sugar

Mix ingredients in a bowl and you’re done!

Store in an airtight container or plastic baggie with air sucked out of the bag.

(Quick tip: Spray your 1/2 cup with oil before measuring your honey and the honey will pour much easier.)

 Recipe found on Make and Takes


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Get that anti-Scruggs blogger! Get him!

During the long series of scandals that brought down former tort potentate Richard (“Dickie”) Scruggs, of tobacco-asbestos-Katrina-mass tort fame, no blogger achieved the status of “must” reading more consistently than David Rossmiller of Insurance Coverage Blog. Now Alan Lange of Mississippi site YallPolitics (and co-author of Kings of Tort, a book on the scandal) has posted a massive document dump of emails between the Scruggs camp and its public relations agency, as made public in later litigation (see also). It shows the principals:

* boasting of their success in manipulating major media outlets to inflict bad publicity on the targets of Scruggs’s suits;

* plotting ways of striking back against critics — in particular, Rossmiller — with tactics including going after him with legal process, as well as creating fake commenters and whole blogs to sow doubt about his reporting;

* wondering who they might pay to secure “Whistleblower of the Year” awards, or something similar, for their clients;

* apparently oblivious, just days before the fact, as to how the ceiling was going to cave in on them because of Judge Henry Lackey’s willingness to go to law enforcement to report a bribe attempt from the Scruggs camp.

The whole set of documents, along with Rossmiller’s summary and reaction, really must be seen to be believed. It will easily provide hours of eye-opening reading, both for those who followed the Scruggs affair in particular, and for everyone interested in how ambitious lawyers manipulate press coverage to their advantage — and how they can seek to use the law against their blogger critics. (& welcome readers from and Victoria Pynchon’s “On the Docket” column there).

  • Great that David is back. I have missed him.

  • Looks Inside the Litigation Industry Through Documents Coillected in Discovery – Tobacco Industry Documents and Some Scruggs Documents Collected and Posted On-line…

    The litigation industry is full of spin and efforts to create headlines that influence outcomes. Many of the stories make it to press without much context or detail. So, it’s interesting to see the inside documents behind the headlines. To……

  • How Plaintiffs Use PR: The Scruggs-Rendon Emails…

    I’ve written before that plaintiffs’ lawyers consider public relations to be an important weapon in their arsenal. But how, exactly, do they use it when they’re involved in a case? Recently, a collection of emails between the former S…

  • […] If Attorney General Jim Hood wanted to avoid the impression that he was thick with the Scruggs crowd, he probably shouldn’t have had them vet his response to the Wall Street Journal before he sent it off. [David Rossmiller, earlier] […]


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Wednesday, September 25, 2013

Week 3 Football Outsiders Rankings: Packers At No. 9

The writers at Football Outsiders have posted their Week 3 rankings, and the Green Bay Packers come in at number nine overall. That's respectable considering their defense has been awful.

Team Overall Rank Offense Rank Defense Rank Special Teams
Chicago 6 13 8 8
Green Bay 9 2 29 13
Detroit 16 9 15 30
Minnesota 24 25 19 21

One note; these rankings are not adjusted to reflect strength of schedule, which actually should hurt all four NFC North teams because collectively the division has only played two games against a team currently ranked in the Football Outsiders Top 10. The Bears beat the Bengals in Chicago, and the Packers lost in Cincinnati. Also, that does not include the 49ers, who are currently ranked number twenty-seven overall, right below the Browns.

Which team might be expected to improve as the season goes on? The Bears defense was the top rated unit in 2012 according to Football Outsiders, but the firing of Lovie Smith and the recent season ending injury to DT Henry Melton might keep them from moving up the rankings. The Packers defense can't get much worse, and it's more likely that they get better once all the starters return from their hamstring injuries. Detroit's rankings are basically the same as last year, and their defense might slip once they start playing against above average offenses (the only good one they've played so far has been Washington's). Unless RB Adrian Peterson turns back into Superman, I don't know how the Vikings can realistically expect to improve.

Currently the Packers's divisional record stands at 0-0. Once they start winning their divisional games, which will begin on October 6th when they host the Lions, they'll start moving up in the rankings and the standings. They've had two tough road losses so far this season, but those losses will matter little if they go 6-0 in the division. Get healthy, forget the past, and just win the games they expect to win.

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Jack Niemuth said...

After the Seahawks game last year, the Packers were also 1-2. So they've been here before. While the Bengals game was definitely frustrating, nobody should panic. It's still early


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The Allianz Arena is a football stadium in the north of Munich, Germany. The two professional Munich football clubs FC Bayern Munich and TSV 1860 München have played their home games at Allianz Arena since the start of the 2005–06 season. Both clubs had previously played their home games at the Munich Olympic Stadium since 1972, where FC Bayern Munich played all of their games and TSV 1860 München most of their games.

The large financial services provider, Allianz purchased the rights to name the stadium for 30 years. During the 2006 World Cup it was known as FIFA World Cup Stadium Munich.Near Allianz Arena , Frottmaning U-Bahn station , on U6 can be seen.

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Born to a wealthy and prominent family in Vigan, Ilocos Sur, Florentino began to write her first verses in Ilocano at a young age. Despite her potential, she was not allowed to receive a university education because of her gender. Florentino was instead tutored by her mother, and then a series of private teachers. An educated Ilocano priest taught her advanced Spanish and encouraged her to develop her voice in poetry.

Due to the feminist nature of her writings, Florentino was shunned by her husband and son, and so was forced to live alone in exile and separately from her family.

Florentino married a politician named Elias de los Reyes at the age of 14, and they had five children, including Isabelo de los Reyes, who would later become a Filipino writer, activist and senator. She died at the age of 35.

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In the hundreds of nail polishes that make up my collection I don’t have even one silver nail polish! (I did have one: Rimmel Your Majesty nail polish but I gave it to someone else – just wasn’t right). So when I had a voucher to spend at Farmers (a department store in NZ for those who don’t know!), I decided that a nice new bottle of Orly nail polish would be the best use of it, especially since Farmers are running a deal where if you buy a full size bottle of Orly nail polish you get a mini one free!

Orly Dazzle nail polish

Orly Dazzle nail polish

I chose Orly Dazzle nail polish – a silver foil nail polish. I’ve only ever tried one other Orly nail polish (Orly Meet Me Under the Mistletoe) and I really liked them, so I think it’s definitely time to increase my Orly collection!

Orly Dazzle is a proper silver foil nail polish, it actually looks like you have dipped your fingernails in molten silver – it’s just gorgeous! The first couple of coats seemed quite thin, so I started to worry that it wouldn’t be opaque on my nails, but after a 3rd coat Orly Dazzle miraculously became opaque, even and perfect! Unlike other silver nail polishes I have tried in the past, this isn’t at all dull – just very shiny, shimmery silver!

If you need a silver nail polish in your collection (and let’s face it who doesn’t!) make it Orly Dazzle nail polish!

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Turning a corner, so to speak

A little while ago I started thinking about a pair of socks I wanted to knit. This isn’t that unusual, except that it wasn’t a pair I’d seen out there before. I poked around on Ravelry and didn’t see the socks I wanted, so I decided to hunker down and do the math and figure them out myself. Admittedly, they weren’t too tricky or fancy, and that was kind of the appeal. After colourwork and lacework, what I really wanted was a sock that was easy to knit, but not boring. I knew exactly what yarn I wanted to use (I’d spotted it on my shopping spree), so when I saw it again I snapped it up and set about charting.

Malabrigo sock in colourway Boticelli Red – it's an incredibly deep and decadent colour.

I cast on last week, and I’m pretty pleased with how things are progressing.

This is actually my first cable project (so it still qualifies as a socks-as-learning-tool project), which added a little bit more daring to the design. I’m also knitting at a really tight gauge (about 11 stitches to an inch), which I’m hoping will make for a long-wearing sock.

What really pleases me about this project, though, is that for the first time, my ssks look just like my k2togs. Seriously. Maybe you don’t have this problem, but for me, my decreases rarely match. They’re close, absolutely, but they just aren’t quite equal. It always seemed that no matter what I did, my ssk had a floppy arm. There, I said it. It was imperfectly formed, and although I’m sure no one else noticed, I noticed, and I bugged me.  It turns out, though, that there’s a solution: Cat Bordhi devised a way to make “slim and trim ssks” (YouTube link) and you know what? It totally works. I will never ssk without a “hungry stitch” again if I can help it. Just look at this:

I thought the cables would be my favourite part of the socks, but you know, I think the ssks are jockeying their way forward. They’re so tidy. They’re so trim. They’re so indistinguishable from their k2tog brethren. I’m excited to get to the toes where their matchy-ness will really be on display. This is an incredibly nerdy thing to be excited about, but I just found out that, after months of thinking ‘there has to be a better way,’ it turns out there is. I am thrilled!

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Game Preview

Conference-leading Flyers head to Florida

Wednesday, 08.06.2014 / 4:47 AM

Brian Compton - NHL.com Deputy Managing Editor

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Conference-leading Flyers head to Florida
Philadelphia Flyers vs. Florida Panthers
FLYERS (37-14-5) at PANTHERS (24-24-7)

TV -- CSN-Philadelphia, Fox Sports-Florida

Last 10 -- Philadelphia 7-3-0; Florida 3-4-3.

Season series -- This is the third of four meetings between the teams. Florida avenged a 5-2 loss to Philadelphia on Nov. 13 when it cruised to a 5-0 victory on Dec. 20 at the Wells Fargo Center.

Big story -- Just one day after being acquired from the Toronto Maple Leafs, winger Kris Versteeg made his Flyers debut Tuesday night and helped his new club earn a 4-3 shootout victory at Tampa Bay. Versteeg, who was sent to Philadelphia on Monday in exchange for first- and third-round draft picks, had two shots on goal and three hits in 17:44.

"My heart was beating pretty quick out there," Versteeg told CSNPhilly.com. "I think once things settled down and the heart started beating a little slower, it just felt quite a bit better.

"They're a tough team to play against. They sit back quite a bit and you want them to come to you. We did a good job of being patient and really executing a game plan."

Team Scope:

Flyers -- It was a playoff-type atmosphere at the St. Pete Times Forum on Tuesday night, but that didn't prevent the Flyers from increasing their lead atop the Eastern Conference to five points over the Bolts. The game wasn't decided until Kimmo Timonen scored in the seventh round of the shootout as the Flyers improved to 18-6-3 on the road.

"We had some games that could have gone either way," Flyers goalie Brian Boucher said. "For confidence purposes, it's nice to get a win against them. Had we lost to them, would it have mattered? I don't know, but it's nice to get a win."

Panthers -- Florida enters Wednesday's action with some momentum as well after it earned a 3-2 victory against the San Jose Sharks on Sunday at the BankAtlantic Center. Jason Garrison snapped a tie with 2:01 left in the third period as the Panthers put an end to a five-game home losing streak.

"It definitely feels good," forward Chris Higgins said. "We've played a lot of one-goal games and it seems like we've been on the losing half in a lot of them -- at least it feels that way. But to come back, especially to score two big goals in the third definitely feels good. We definitely needed points."

Who's hot -- Flyers forward Claude Giroux had an assist Tuesday night, giving him 13 assists and 16 points over his last 13 games. … Higgins has two goals in his last four contests for Florida.
Injury report -- Ian Laperriere (post-concussion syndrome) is out for the Flyers. … Florida is missing Shawn Matthias (ankle), Byron Bitz (sports hernia) and Evgeny Dadonov (broken finger). Bryan McCabe (broken jaw, finger) and Dmitry Kulikov (ankle) are questionable.

Stat pack -- Philadelphia is 27-3-2 when scoring the game's first goal. … Panthers forward Cory Stillman is expected to play in his 1,000th NHL game Wednesday night.

Puck drop -- "I think this is a great opportunity. We're playing the best teams in the League and we're going to find out where we're at. It's a great challenge for us, and I'm looking forward to it. It should be a lot of fun." -- Panthers defenseman Mike Weaver
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Guitar virtuoso Carlos Santana knows the value of collaboration—and hits “Smooth” with Rob Thomas and “The Game of Love” with Michelle Branch, among others, prove it. Now the ten-time Grammy winner and three-time Latin Grammy winner is trying something new: an entire album of Spanish-language songs, Corazón (Heart), featuring star collaborators like Gloria Estefan and Juanes.

Corazón, a follow-up to 2012’s Shape Shifter, drops May 6, but you can hear a track, “Mal Bicho” featuring Argentinian band Los Fabulosos Cadillacs, exclusively at below. “Mal Bicho,” meaning “scoundrel” or “rascal,” is upbeat with ska and reggae influences—and showcases plenty of Santana’s passionate guitar riffs.

The other artists contributing to Corazón include an array of musicians from across the Latin world and hailing from several countries, from PitbullGloria Estefan and Colombia’s Juanes to Mexico’s Lila Downs, Argentina’s Diego Torres, the United States’ Romeo Santos, and Jamaica’s Ziggy Marley.

“Our goal is to change the energy of the world with this project,” Santana, 66, who was honored at the Kennedy Center last year, has said.

The rest of the album mixes pop, rock, salsa, hip-hop, R&B, and reggae influences. Check out Corazón‘s full track list:

1. “Saideira (Spanish Version)” feat. Samuel Rosa
2. “La Flaca” feat. Juanes
3. “Mal Bicho” feat. Los Fabulosos Cadillacs
4. “Oye 2014″ feat. Pitbull
5. “Iron Lion Zion” feat. Ziggy Marley & ChocQuibTown
6. “Una Noche En Nápoles” feat. Lila Downs, Niña Pastori & Soledad
7. “Besos De Lejos” feat. Gloria Estefan
8. “Margarita” feat. Romeo Santos
9. “Indy” feat. Miguel
10. “Feel It Coming Back” feat. Diego Torres
11. “Yo Soy La Luz” feat. Wayne Shorter & Cindy Blackman Santana
12. “I See Your Face”

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Looking for RN for yearly pap, check-up

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Does anyone have an OB/GYN RN that they love' I'm looking for someone in the Berkeley/Oakland area, or SF. I have looked on the website for past OB/GYN recommendations, but they are aimed at people interested in pregnancy-related issues, so recommendations are generally for doctors. I just want someone to do my annual pap, and I specifically want an RN (NOT an MD), and a woman. I would also like someone who does not mind writing prescriptions for other (minor) health problems, so that I don't have to see a specialist. Thanks in advance.

Recommendations received: Hi, My OB/GYN is Carolyn Hand in Pinole (510)724-6800. She is a Nurse Practitioner and I saw her all through my pregnancy for routine visits even though she couldn't deliver our baby. She is a really warm and sensitive person and I always feel very comfortable seeing her. I highly recommend her. anon
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