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''I'm just fine ... I don't need some doctor or FAA bureaucrat to tell me I can't fly any more.'' Sound like anyone you know? Sound like you? Yours may be the next NTSB accident report Rick Durden talks about in The Pilot's Lounge.

Walking out of the doctor's office, holding the piece of paper on which the duly authorized Aviation Medical Examiner attested that, as of a few moments ago, I met the minimum standards to hold an airman medical certificate, I breathed a sigh of relief and headed out to the Pilot's Lounge at the virtual airport. As do many pilots I know, I get nervous at the prospect of taking my annual flight physical. I want to continue to pass it and thus continue to fly. I've also counseled enough pilots who have had difficulties in passing the medical exam, so I live in dread of the time when the doctor says that he can't issue and he's going to have to send my file to Oklahoma City for further action by the aeromedical people.

But today was not that day, and I walked into the Lounge in excellent spirits. Seeing Old Hack, who has to be older than God by a half-dozen years and is still passing flight physicals, buoyed my spirits even further. I figure if that curmudgeon with his boatload of vices and bad habits can still pass a medical, there's hope for the likes of me.

Hack was in good form: I had heard him insulting people before I even made it to the room. Of course, after he learned that I'd just passed my medical, he turned to Sandy, our resident Citabria expert and air-freight pilot and announced, "Ah, it appears Rick has again managed to bribe his way to medical certification." Sandy just rolled her eyes in response, so Hack turned his attention to me. "What did it take this time, a case of Scotch? A rare painting? Considering your outward appearance, you probably had to buy the guy an airplane. It's no wonder you haven't got a Bonanza or a 210 -- you've had to spend all your money bribing doctors all these years."

Before I could say anything, Hack turned back to Sandy and said, "Of course you heard about the conclusion of Rick's last physical? As Rick was getting dressed he said to the doctor, 'Well, Doc, how do I stand?'"

Before Hack could finish, Sandy jumped in and said, "And the doctor answered, 'That's what puzzles me.' You've got to come up with some newer jokes, Hack."

Accident Report

Before the wittiness achieved any level of quality, Sandy picked up a several-page document and handed it to me. "The NTSB Factual Report and the Probable Cause finally came out on that guy we knew who crashed in the Musketeer about two years ago," she said. "You remember, the engine lost power during the climbout and he did that oddball sort-of turn instead of landing in the big field off the end of the runway."

I remembered the accident well. A pilot with whom we were acquainted had died in the crash and one or two of the passengers were hurt. The group of us here at the Lounge had spent several afternoons trying to figure out what might have happened. He had a fair amount of altitude when things went south and the airplane started to sink and there were good places to land ahead. But he just sort of seemed to dither and made a turn that seemed to start and stop, rolling into and out of a moderate bank. Witnesses say the nose stayed high and the engine was running, but that he then stalled the airplane well above the ground. So high, in fact, that the nose had dropped through by the time he finally hit the ground.

We in the Lounge had hypothesized fuel contamination, a broken throttle cable or ignition-wire problems, but we never put our collective fingers on anything that made sense. Not having been privy to the investigation, we were all very interested in what the NTSB found.

Sandy said, "It's going to surprise you and you aren't going to like it at all. Back in the '50s, Lenny Bruce said no one is shocked anymore, but when I read this, I was shocked."

I took the report from her and sat down in one of the big, tattered recliners and began to read.

Sandy wasn't kidding ... I was stunned.

Broken Steed ...

The engine turned out to have been in terrible shape. I had no idea how poorly my acquaintance, I'll call him "Brad," had maintained his airplane. The engine was about 200 hours past TBO. That, in itself, is no big deal; a well-kept engine can go past TBO in perfect health. However, here the ignition harness was pretty well shot, so several plugs were not getting any significant electrical input. On top of that, the plugs were badly fouled and none of them had a gap that was within published tolerances. The cylinders had no choke left, so as the engine got warm, especially on takeoff, it would steadily lose compression and put out less and less power.

The witnesses had described a very long takeoff roll and slow climb that eventually degraded into a descent. According to the report, as the problems with the engine were made worse by heat, the power dropped off to where the airplane could no longer climb, and then wouldn't hold altitude. The turn was described as very erratic and nose high, with the wings "rocking back and forth". Eventually the airplane stalled. Both of Brad's hands were broken, as were both of the handles of the control yoke. The rod connecting the yoke, through the instrument panel, to the stabilator actuating cables was bent at the panel at a location that was consistent with full nose up stabilator at impact. It looked to me like Brad just kept pulling on the yoke as the power dropped off.

... Broken Body

What floored me was that the report stated that Brad was in the terminal stages of a disease for which he had been receiving treatment for about three years. It was eating him up and the treatments had served to only slow its progress. He was taking a regime of drugs prescribed to try and arrest the disease as well as kill the excruciating pain it had to have caused Brad. Of the seven meds he was taking, five were on the FAA's list of drugs that may not be taken by person who is going to fly an airplane. Any one of the five, if reported to the FAA, would have resulted in Brad's medical certificate being lifted, or his AME would have refused to issue.

The NTSB investigation found that Brad had been taking all five drugs for nearly two years. He had taken his airman's medical exam in the last six months and had reported nothing about any of his visits to the doctors who were treating him for his disease, the disease itself, or any of the medications he had been prescribed.

The many side effects of the various medications Brad was taking included drowsiness, confusion, slowness to react to stimuli and difficulty in judging time and distance.

What began to trouble me as I neared the end of the report was that Brad may be more common than we know. As the average age of pilots moves upwards this may become a less-rare situation. I wondered, in Brad's situation, would I make the same decision, to lie on my medical application and hope I don't get caught, and to continue flying? I asked Sandy and Hack about it, and we had a long talk. I'll try and recount the gist of our conversation.

It's Just The Sniffles

On one level, we think of the times we've flown with a serious head cold, perhaps knowing that we could not have passed the medical exam for our class of certificate on that day, but we pressed on anyway. Maybe we did so because we consider ourselves pretty tough, and we aren't going to let something as seemingly minor as a head cold or sinus infection or "what's going 'round" keep us from flying. And every once in a while we read the accident report of the guy who was flying along on a gorgeous day and entered into one of those descending spirals that accelerate and tighten up until the airplane either breaks up or hits the ground. And we read that the guy had a major-league head cold that the line boy described as hacking and slobbering and sniffling. And then we read the reports of the medical folks who describe the effects of an altitude change of only a few thousand feet on infected sinuses and plugged Eustachian tubes and how it can cause total physiological upset and inability to walk, much less control an airplane.

But that kind of accident is truly rare, so we press on and sometimes fly when we are under the weather.

And we get older.

And our friends have heart attacks and tell us, on one hand, that the FAA has become much more enlightened in terms of issuing a medical after a heart attack. However, it's expensive as all get out to get the medical tests needed, plus your Aviation Medical Examiner can't issue the medical certificate. He or she has to send all the stuff to Oklahoma City where it disappears into the unseen maw of the aeromedical crowd and usually, eventually, it spits out a medical certificate.

And, over those late night beers and martinis, you have heard fellow pilots say that when they can no longer pass a medical that they've found a rural airstrip where they can keep their airplane and go right on flying and to hell with the FAA and regulations. And maybe you know one or two who are doing precisely that.

For most of us it is a fact of life that at some point our bodies or minds will deteriorate to the point that we are not medically qualified to hold a certificate. If history is a guide, most of us will gracefully accept the inevitable. There are, however, a certain percentage of us who will rationalize that process and essential say, "Screw the government, it can't tell me I can't fly" and keep doing so, either by lying on the medical application or not even bothering to take any more medicals. It's interesting that many of those are pretty rabid "law and order" types who pontificate about civilization going to hell in a hand basket because people have no respect for laws. But, irony aside, their inability to face reality means they will go on flying and potentially kill themselves and others because they will not be able to handle an event they probably could have dealt with back when they were healthy.

Other Options

For some, the Sport Pilot regulations will provide a way to continue to fly. They will simply let their current medical lapse and not apply for another. So long as they can get a drivers license, they will comply with the letter of the law and, in more modest airplanes, can continue to enjoy the sky with a reasonable degree of safety. Others will chose to fly gliders or balloons, where medicals are not required, and they will fly safely for several more years.

Perhaps it's appropriate to interject here that if a pilot starts the medical application process -- that is, fills out and signs the application and gives it back to the receptionist -- there is no backing out. If the doctor says he or she cannot issue a medical certificate then the pilot is faced with what may be a tough situation. The paperwork goes to Oklahoma City and the FAA aeromedical folks will probably send a letter to the pilot asking for more information, usually medical test results, before they will issue a medical certificate. If the pilot is willing to spend the money to have the tests and sends in the results, the result is usually that the FAA will issue. If the tests show that the pilot's health is not adequate, the FAA will issue a denial. If the pilot decides that the tests are too expensive and doesn't take them, and therefore does not comply with the FAA's request for more information, the failure to comply functions as a denial. And, with a denial of a medical certificate, the FAA has said that the pilot cannot fly under the Sport Pilot regulations.

So what does a pilot do when the hand of age, disease or an injury makes it questionable whether he or she can pass that third class medical examination? We've learned in the last year that a certain number of pilots whose health was such that they qualified for social security disability also held FAA airman medical certificates. It appears that some of them did not mention the disability condition they had and/or the medications they were taking when they filled out the application for those medical certificates. In the back of our minds we know that it is illegal to lie on a medical certificate application. In fact, it's a felony. Yet, it's not one that is regularly prosecuted, so the recent spate of criminal actions caught a lot of people by surprise.

Honor Bound

The reality is that our system functions almost exclusively on trust -- on the honor system. When Congress set up the FAA through the Federal Aviation Act, it thankfully did not set it up with a plethora of cops who would monitor a pilot's every action. It set up a system where pilots and mechanics are on their honor with regard to virtually everything they do and say. Each of us is on our honor not to fly on one of those days that we are sick even though we hold a medical certificate. We are on our honor to actually have three takeoffs and landings in the preceding 90 days before we carry passengers. We are on our honor to be honest when we list the medications we are taking when we fill out the airman medical application. (While the FAA has the authority to go to all of our treating physicians and get our medical records, it does not do so as a regular practice -- it waits for something to give it reason to do so.) Because of this honor system, we have one of the most open and free aviation setups in the world.

The balance on the scale of this honor system is that if we violate it, if we take advantage of it and are caught, the FAA gets more than a little hot under the collar. It has the power to not only suspend a pilot or medical certificate for a transgression, it can also criminally prosecute; and it will do so. The actions against the pilots in California receiving disability checks brought that to our attention. The FAA has a fair amount of horsepower it can bring to bear on someone who violates the honor system. Some years ago another guy and I owned an Aztec. We sent the engines out for overhaul and got back junk. The logs with the engines were carefully filled out and signed off, and even said they'd been run two hours on a test stand. Yet the ignition system wasn't even all there. We found that the cylinders and pistons were only worth their value for scrap aluminum. The FAA got involved and went after the engine overhauler. To make a long story short, he was convicted of a felony and spent time in a federal penitentiary.

The Choice Is Yours

Such events are extremely rare. Real life for most of us means we have to decide for ourselves when it is time to not fly because of our health.

Over the years, I've flown with pilots who were on various medications because of health conditions. Of those pilots, some could pass a medical exam. Some could not, and knew it, so they hired me to sit in the right seat to make the flight legal. I had reached an understanding with each of them that simply said that they were going to do all of the flying, but that I was the pilot in command and would step in and take over if, in my judgment, the situation warranted. I've also found myself in airplanes with pilots who had no business flying because of health or medications, yet continued to do so because they were able to pass the medical exam.

I've read some studies where pilots were given measured amounts of alcohol and then flew instrument approaches in a simulator. What I saw when I flew with pilots who had some significant degree of medical impairment and what I read in those alcohol studies was quite similar. With a number of the pilots who could not hold a medical, I saw that their reactions were visibly slow. I watched them sit there and do nothing for a long time as a situation developed, usually incipient loss of directional control on landing rollout. When they did take action, it was appropriate in terms of control input, but not always for magnitude or duration of the input. In reacting to a swerve they applied control input to stop the swerve, but did not take out the input when the swerve was corrected. Often they induced a swerve in the opposite direction. Most of the time they would eventually damp things out, leading to a landing rollout that looked a bit like a drunken sailor; but on occasion, I had to take the airplane.

What struck me was that they were guys (and these were all men) who were simply aging and had decided to not apply for a medical or had lost their medical. They all recognized that they had had trouble handling the airplane. They each talked about it with me and would say something along the lines that they were glad they made the decision to stop flying solo. The ones who were on medications, often for pain, did not recognize that they had performed poorly. Not only were their reactions bad, they could not evaluate themselves. They were generally satisfied with their performance unless I had to take the airplane. In those circumstances they were often puzzled as to why I did so or, occasionally they were upset that I stepped in when they "had things under control." It matched the alcohol studies. The pilots not only did poorly, performing far below their normal levels, but they had no idea they were doing poorly and frequently thought they were actually doing better than they did when sober.

In a perfect world, each of us would recognize at precisely the right time when we should stop flying as pilot in command. Each of us would not wait to fail a medical. None of us would even consider omitting something from the application. None of us would fly when taking medications that are contraindicated by the FAA and none of us would put ourselves or others at risk by continuing to fly when our bodies or minds are no longer up to handling what we can expect to see on a flight.

Outdated Regs

The FAA has regulations regarding the appropriate physical and mental condition of pilots. Most are good, some are out of date, and I am aware that there is constant pressure to modernize the regs. Nevertheless, I am also aware that a certain percentage of pilots don't give a fig about what the regs are and are going to continue to fly so long as they can make it to the airplane. And a certain percentage of those are going to kill people.

A few pilots are going to recognize that such a thing is happening in a fellow pilot and are going to work up the courage to go to the FAA and start the process to have the pilot grounded. I suspect those folks will save a few lives while some friendships will be lost.

I don't have the answer to this situation. It is very personal among pilots and it is one we do not often discuss. I certainly don't want the FAA becoming any more of a traffic cop; my privacy is invaded enough as it is.

That means that we, as pilots, have to talk about the subject, to bring it into the open. If it shows up on aviation forums on the Internet, and is talked about in pilot lounges, restaurants and bars where pilots gather, it may mean that pilots will think about it. Pilots who give consideration to "what if" -- to what they would do in the event of something happening in the future -- tend to make pretty good decisions when the event does come about. So, let's talk about the subject. As a result, some pilots may go to their doctors and make sure that the medications they are taking are ones that allow them to fly (there may be acceptable meds that can be used to treat the same condition). Or, if they must take medications that prohibit flying, that they will not fly without another pilot in the airplane until such time as they don't have to take those meds any more. Or, they will take that deep breath and admit to themselves that it was a very good run, they had some wonderful times in the sky and it's time to quit while they and their loved ones are alive and can look back at the years of flying with happiness.

See you next month.

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GENEVA, (Agence France Presse) - Hundreds of women leave Armenia every year for the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Turkey to work as prostitutes via well-established recruitment networks, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) said here on Friday.

A new IOM study says lack of job opportunities at home is one of the main reasons why the women leave. But it said the high demand in destination countries, as well as
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Based on interviews with 59 Armenian women who had recently returned from the UAE and Turkey, the study found that 49 percent of the women said they had been working as prostitutes.

Just 17 percent said they suspected when they left Armenia that they would end up working in the sex industry, IOM said. Sixty-five percent of the women interviewed were under the age of 30.

"All those surveyed said they had travelled abroad -- two-thirds to Turkey and one third to the UAE -- in search of work," the IOM said.

"Over 60 percent said employment creation would be the most effective measure to reduce and prevent trafficking from Armenia," it added.

Recruitment tends to follow two patterns. In the first scenario, it begins with a neighbour, friend or acquaintance who acts as a local recruiter and has links with employers or pimps abroad.

In the second pattern, recruitment is done by middlemen such as foreign tour operators or people posing as employment agents able to secure jobs abroad.

The study also said that while the Armenian criminal code addresses a number of trafficking-related offences, there are shortcomings in both the legislation and the way it is applied.

"So far, there has been only one indictment and although the victims included minors, the traffickers received mild sentences," the IOM said.

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I did not hear the sudden massive crack as much as I felt its vibrations through my feet up my spine. The sky had darkened in the steamy afternoon, the wind spun up in a heartbeat and shrieked through our towering old maple. In a second, one of those graceful, towering limbs crashed down on our neighbor’s fence and into their yard.

I raced up the wood stairs to the upper landing to see what may have been damaged next door. My heart was tripping in my throat, they have grandchildren and dogs and I did not know whether the limb had landed on their house. The thought that someone could be hurt made me sick. From what I could tell out the window, it looked like the fence bore the brunt of the damage and the limb rested on the grass having missed the deck and addition.

Flurries of phone calls were the first order of business, then came examining options for resolution. What to do with our wise old friend who was now injured and perhaps trying to tell us something? She was the last of the Norway Maples in our neighborhood, over seventy years old. She was the reason we bought the house and her generous branches provided hours of shade and protection, not to mention the delight of two little boys who safely climbed her. She never let them fall.

“The Norways grow brittle as they age.” the arborist shared as we stood sheltered from the rain under the tree’s umbrella of glossy leaves. Lethal was the word that came to my mind. Her far reaching branches would be lethal if they continued to shred and split. I could sense the concern of the tree, she knew.

“They can’t bear all that weight out on the end of their branches, it is too much strain.” A second opinion from another arborist. I wrapped my arms around her as far as they would go when he left. I got it, I knew what felt like.

We made arrangements for her to be taken down. I spent as much time as I could those last few days, soaking in her shade and listening to her whisper through her leaves. How much she and I shared these last twenty five years, and how our lives mirrored each other this year. A tree’s energy will run back down to the roots as fall approaches, returning to their roots to rest for the winter. I heard my own call to sabbatical, to transfer my energy from the ends to my center, a call to prune back. I gazed at her branches reaching some seventy feet to the sky, and felt their weight. I too have felt like the weight of the world was at my edges and I would crack from my center if not relieved of the heaviness.

I placed my hand inside her injury and felt the splinters of wood so capable of tearing flesh and creating damage. I could see the blue of the sky through her shredded limb, the light dappling in different patterns. I felt like she was sharing a last lesson with me, my saturated brain could not grasp it though, so I took dozens of photographs to capture what she was trying to tell me in hopes that I could figure out later.

Sawdust fell like tiny tears as the sound of the chainsaw and wood chipper filled the morning air, it took hours to remove what had taken nature seventy years to grow. Walking through the inches of woods chips around the stump, breathing air thick with dust, all I could see were the harsh lines of the house no longer softened by curving arcs of branches laden with cooling leaves. It all looked so stark. I couldn’t sleep that night, I missed her tree whispers and the call of the birds tucking in for night. The absence of her voice was deafening.

Staring out the kitchen window at the stump, it hit me. The tree, Justin’s death, the destruction of our family tree, I could see the visual of how child death wrecks the landscape of our lives. I know his name is still on that neat tidy line branching from Doug and I, with his birth and death date. Sterile and flat. But living the reality is to have that great strong tree cut to the quick. And all of a sudden there is no protection, no safety, only deafening silence and an ache that for a presence that is unrelenting.  All that is left is the stump and its ghosts.

We avoided the backyard for a week, our eyes not used to the bright light and open space. But the broad expanse of blue sky now revealed overhead was hard to ignore, it was beautiful. We started to tear up established beds and walkways, letting go what once was and re-creating new gardens with elements of the past. The work of rebuilding gardens echos the rebuilding of lives after loss. Right now the yard is a mess, piles of dirt and gravel, and shade plants that are gasping in the hot sun. But I have a vision, I can see the yard next spring with the hardscape anchored in and the sweet new growth of green curling around arbors and filling in the barren spaces.

Studying the pictures I took of the tree’s wound, I see the play of light on her exposed inner life, and I see the patch of blue September sky. I see what happens when too much weight rests on even the strongest branch, it breaks and can do great damage as it falls, lashing out as it rushes down. I see how her shattered limb has allowed the light to shine through to places that have never seen light, her interior lit and glowing. And the tease of blue sky, the promise of release to a captive soul.

And so ends the seventh year without Justin. A year layered with exquisite joy and profound sorrow, sometimes in the same breath. This year has felt different, I am not sure if I am the tree, brittle with too much weight at the end of my branches, getting ready to break, or if I am the limb shattered and and peering in at my interior. I identify with the tree sending its energy back to its roots for winter’s reflection. Stillness, I desire stillness.

I look at the exposed roots of the stump and I see strength, I see us, myself, Doug, and Ryan. Rough, exposed, but whipcord strong if we stay close to the earth, if we stay focused and grounded. I see the same strength in Ryan’s bride. I pull my garden gloves on and greet the maple stump, she provides a welcoming place for a cup of coffee and garden plans, the eighth year begins.

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  1. Four days ago, I had cut down, a beautiful maple that my mom had dug up at my house in CT and transplanted here in MD. It had developed into a gorgeous shade tree, beautiful in shape. 4 years ago, during a winter ice storm, the main branch had broken off, torn down by the weight of the ice on every tiny branch. The tree never fully recovered and went into decline. This year, all the leaves were brown, curled and falling in July. It broke my heart to take it down but it broke my heart to see it decline. I am currently choosing the tree I shall plant in its place. But it is really hard to see the vacant space it had occupied for so long…
    Lovely piece.

    • Hello Deirdre, so hard to lose a tree that your mom had transplanted – that is no easy task to move a tree and coax it to grow. Trees are such keeper of memories. You did the right thing, it was suffering. And isn’t that empty space odd? We still do double-takes when we look out at the stump. With all the sun we have now, I am looking at more roses. All my climbers need to be moved and I want to plant some David Austin English roses that I have my eye on. Thank you for your kind words, I hope you have a beautiful Autumn, I am looking forward to cooler weather!

  2. How sad- I remember that gorgeous tree and attempting to climb it on a visit. How i love your writing though.

    • Thank you Laura! We miss her quite a lot, but the birds have returned to the feeders even without the tree, so we are hopeful that we can do new things with the yard. Wishing you a beautiful fall!

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Rated 5 out of 5 by from So soft. Doesn't feel like an outdoor rug. I can't get enough of this black and cream design. The green is muted and it looks very rich. So lovely and soft under foot on my covered back porch. It is thick enough to provide adequate cushioning for grandkids to play on a concrete floor. Looks so amazing you would think it is wool. Have looked for 3 years for just the right fit and though this rug is pricey, at 25% off, I couldn't be more pleased.
Date published: 2017-04-15
Rated 5 out of 5 by from Exceeded my expectations I wanted something unique for my new kitchen, by the door. I love it! It doesn't look like an outdoor rug. Have received many compliments. Ordered 2, so I will have a backup!
Date published: 2017-03-12
Rated 5 out of 5 by from Great size Perfect color, size for kitchen mat. We'll see how it holds up
Date published: 2017-01-15
Rated 5 out of 5 by from Great rug! Love the rug. We use it in our family room. It's durable enough for kids/pets and has a whimsical design. Bought it after buying a smaller version for an entry way by our garage.
Date published: 2017-01-13
Rated 5 out of 5 by from Love it I put this rug in my entry and love it. It is very well made, plush and attractive. I tried several rugs looking for just the right one and this was it. You can't go wrong with this rug.
Date published: 2016-12-27
Rated 5 out of 5 by from Durable and decorative! I highly recommend this rug. It gives such an appropriate pop of pattern anywhere it is placed...not too fussy. Wears like iron and spot cleans easily.
Date published: 2016-09-25
Rated 5 out of 5 by from EXCELLENT I just received my 2x3 red rug for my kitchen. I LOVE IT! It completes my kitchen decor. In fact, I'm ordering two more...(1) runner, and one more of the 2x3. Good quality rug with no rubber backing.
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Francisco González explained why the bank bought an additional 14.89% of Garanti from its partner, the Dogus Group, last week. “Turkey is a very important and very young country,” he said. This country has a population of over 75 million people and more than half the population is under 30 years of age, a factor that boost consumption and investment. Furthermore, he pointed out that “Garanti is the best bank in Turkey and one of the most technologically advanced banks in the world.”

Francisco González made these statements in an interview on the Herrera en la Onda radio program on Onda Cero, from the BBVA Campus, the new corporate headquarters the Group is building in Madrid.

The BBVA chairman believes Ciudad BBVA symbolizes the bank’s transformation into a “digital bank”. This digitization process aims, according to Francisco González, to provide “greater accessibility”; in other words, enabling customers to access the bank at any time, from anywhere and through any channel – the branch office, a tablet, a smartphone- and receive “a response to their needs in real time”. In short, “that is the digital bank we are building, one that is much more transparent, more agile, with immediate answers, all of which transfers power from the bank to the consumer.”

When asked about other current issues, such as lending reaching the real economy, the chairman & CEO of BBVA said, “There is no credit problem, but rather a demand problem.” Regarding the political future of Spain, Francisco González underlined that “finances must be kept in order,” given that “budget stability is a requirement to remain in Europe.”

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With respect to corruption, Francisco González said that “unacceptable mistakes were made” and he argued that it is necessary to rejuvenate the institutions that have made a decisive contribution to the country in the last few decades.


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International Tax Alert - October 2017

October 2017

Department of the Treasury Releases Report Recommending Changes to Eight Tax Regulations

On October 2, 2017, the Secretary of the Department of Treasury (“Treasury”) issued a second report to President Trump on identifying and reducing tax regulatory burdens as directed by President Trump’s Executive Order 13789, a directive that instructed the Secretary of Treasury, to review “all significant regulations” issued on or after January 1, 2016, that (i) impose an undue financial burden on U.S. taxpayers, (ii) add undue complexity to Federal tax laws, or (iii) exceed the statutory authority of the Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”). Notice 2017-38 was published in July 2017 identifying eight regulations for review in response to Executive Order 13789. The Report states that Treasury continues to analyze all recently issued significant regulations and is considering possible reforms of several recent regulations not identified in Notice 2017-38 including regulations under Section 871(m), relating to payments treated as U.S. source dividends, and the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act.
In addition, the Report states that Treasury and the IRS have initiated a comprehensive review, coordinated by the Treasury Regulatory Reform Task Force, of all tax regulations, regardless of when they were issued. This review will identify tax regulations that are unnecessary, create undue complexity, impose excessive burdens, or fail to provide clarity and useful guidance, and Treasury and the IRS will pursue reform or revocation of those regulations. As part of the process coordinated by the Treasury Regulatory Reform Task Force, the IRS Office of Chief Counsel has already identified over 200 regulations for potential revocation, most of which have been outstanding for many years. The Report states that Treasury and the IRS expect to begin the rulemaking process for revoking these regulations in the fourth quarter of 2017 and also seek to streamline rules where possible. Later reports and guidance will provide details on the regulations identified for possible action, the reasons that they may be revoked, and the manner in which revocation would occur.
Most importantly, the Report sets forth the Treasury Secretary’s recommendations on the eight regulations identified in Notice 2017-38. Treasury expects to issue additional reports on reducing tax regulatory burdens, including, as directed in the executive order, the status of Treasury’s actions recommended in the Report. An overview of the Report’s recommendations on three regulations that particularly impact international tax and cross border transactions are discussed below.

  1. Final and Temporary Regulations under Section 385 on the Treatment of Certain Interests in Corporations as Stock or Indebtedness[1]
These final and temporary regulations address the classification of related-party debt as debt or equity for U.S. Federal income tax purposes. The regulations are primarily comprised of (i) rules establishing minimum documentation requirements that ordinarily must be satisfied for purported debt obligations among related parties to be treated as debt for Federal tax purposes (the “Documentation Regulations”); and (ii) rules that treat as stock certain debt that is issued by a corporation to a controlling shareholder in a distribution or in another related-party transaction that achieves an economically similar result (the “Distribution Regulations”).[2] For a discussion of the final and temporary regulations under Section 385 see our October 2016 Tax Alert.
The Report states that Treasury and the IRS are considering a proposal to revoke the Documentation Regulations as issued and are actively considering the development of revised documentation rules that would be substantially simplified and streamlined in a manner that will lessen their burden on U.S. corporations, while requiring sufficient legal documentation and other information for tax administration purposes. In place of any revoked regulations, the Report states that Treasury and the IRS would develop and propose streamlined documentation rules, with a prospective effective date that would allow time for comments and compliance. Consideration is being given, in particular, to modifying significantly the requirement, contained in the Documentation Regulations, of a reasonable expectation of ability to pay indebtedness. The treatment of ordinary trade payables under the documentation regulations is also being reexamined. It is also expected that any proposed streamlined documentation rules would include certain technical, conforming changes to the definitional provisions of the Section 385 regulations.
The Distribution Regulations address inversions and takeovers of U.S. corporations by limiting the ability of corporations to generate additional interest deductions without new investment in the United States. Regarding the Distribution Regulations, the Report states that Treasury has consistently affirmed that legislative changes can most effectively address the distortions and base erosion caused by excessive earnings stripping, as well as the general tax incentives for U.S. companies to engage in inversions. In the view of Treasury, tax reform is expected to obviate the need for the Distribution Regulations and make it possible for these regulations to be revoked. Treasury believes that proposing to revoke the existing Distribution Regulations before the enactment of fundamental tax reform, could make existing problems worse. If legislation does not entirely eliminate the need for the Distribution Regulations, Treasury will reassess the Distribution Regulations and Treasury and the IRS may then propose more streamlined and targeted regulations.
  1. Final Regulations under Section 367 on the Treatment of Certain Transfers of Property to Foreign Corporations[3]
Section 367 of the Internal Revenue Code generally imposes immediate or future U.S. tax on transfers of property (tangible and intangible) to foreign corporations, subject to certain exceptions, including an exception for certain property transferred for use in the active conduct of a trade or business outside of the United States.  Final regulations under Section 367 eliminate the ability of taxpayers to transfer foreign goodwill and going concern value to a foreign corporation without immediate or future U.S. income tax. For a discussion of the final regulations under Section 367, see our December 2016 Tax Alert
The Report states that Treasury and the IRS have concluded that an exception to the current regulations may be justified by both the structure of the statute and its legislative history. Thus, to address taxpayers’ concerns about the breadth of the regulations, the Office of Tax Policy and IRS are actively working to develop a proposal that would expand the scope of the active trade or business exception described above to include relief for outbound transfers of foreign goodwill and going-concern value attributable to a foreign branch under circumstances with limited potential for abuse and administrative difficulties, including those involving valuation. The Report further states that Treasury and the IRS currently expect to propose regulations providing such an exception in the near term.
  1. Final Regulations under Section 987 on Income and Currency Gain or Loss with Respect to a Section 987 Qualified Business Unit[4]
These final regulations provide rules for: (i) translating income from branch operations conducted in a currency different from the branch owner’s functional currency into the owner’s functional currency; (ii) calculating foreign currency gain or loss with respect to the branch’s financial assets and liabilities; and (iii) recognizing such foreign currency gain or loss when the branch makes certain transfers of any property to its owner. Commenters argued that the transition rule in the final regulations imposes an undue financial burden because it disregards losses calculated for years prior to the transition but not previously recognized. Many taxpayers have also commented that the method prescribed by the final regulations for calculating foreign currency gain or loss is unduly complex and financially burdensome to apply, particularly where the final regulations differ from financial accounting rules. For a discussion of the final and temporary regulations under Section 987, see our December 2016 Tax Alert.
To address these difficulties, Treasury and the IRS published Notice 2017-57 that announced the intention to amend the regulations under Section 987 to defer the applicability date of the final regulations under Section 987, as well as certain provisions of the temporary regulations under Section 987 to taxable years beginning on or after two years after the first date of the first taxable year following December 7, 2016 (i.e., 2019 for calendar year taxpayers).
The Report states that Treasury and the IRS also intend to propose modifications to the final regulations to permit taxpayers to elect to adopt a simplified method of calculating Section 987 gain and loss and translating Section 987 income and loss, subject to certain limitations on the timing of recognition of Section 987 loss. Under one variation of a simplified methodology currently being considered, taxpayers would treat all assets and liabilities of a Section 987 qualified business unit (“QBU”) as marked items and translate all items of income and expense at the average exchange rate for the year. This methodology generally would result in determinations of amounts of Section 987 gain or loss that are consistent with amounts of translation gain or loss that would be determined under applicable financial accounting rules, as well as under the 1991 proposed Section 987 regulations.
The Report also provides that the IRS and the Office of Tax Policy are considering alternative loss recognition timing limitations that would apply to electing taxpayers. Under the base limitation under consideration, the electing taxpayer would be permitted to recognize net Section 987 losses only to the extent of net Section 987 gains recognized in prior or subsequent years. As a possible additional approach to limiting losses, the IRS and the Office of Tax Policy are also considering the administrability of a limitation under which the electing taxpayer would defer recognition of all Section 987 losses and gains until the earlier of (i) the year that the trade or business conducted by the Section 987 QBU ceases to be performed by any member of its controlled group or (ii) the year substantially all of the assets and activities of the QBU are transferred outside of the controlled group.
Finally, the Report states that the IRS and the Office of Tax Policy are considering alternatives to the transition rules in the final regulations. One alternative would be to allow taxpayers that elect to apply the loss limitations applicable to the simplified methodology discussed above to carry forward unrealized Section 987 gains and losses, measured as of the transition date with appropriate adjustments, and subject to such loss limitations. A second alternative under consideration would be to allow taxpayers adopting the final regulations to elect to translate all items on the QBU’s opening balance sheet on the transition date at the spot exchange rate, but not carry forward any unrealized Section 987 gains or losses.

BDO Insights

The Report’s recommendations on the three sets of regulations discussed above when effectuated should provide relief for taxpayers and alleviate certain compliance burdens that would otherwise apply. In particular, the Report’s recommendation on the Section 987 regulations could reduce complexity and simplify how the Section 987 regulations are applied. BDO can assist in reviewing how the Report’s recommendations can impact our clients.

For more information, please contact one of the following practice leaders:
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Joe Calianno
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[1] T.D. 9790; 81 F.R. 72858.
[2] In Notice 2017-36, Treasury and the IRS announced a delay in the application of the documentation requirements in the Section 385 regulations by 12 months to interests issued or deemed issued on or after January 1, 2019.
[3] T.D. 9803; 81 F.R. 91012.
[4] T.D. 9794; 81 F.R. 88806.


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Kopernik | Browar Amber

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Style: Euro Pale Lager

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.60%

Availability: Year-round

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4/5  rDev +26.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Half-liter bottle from Super Liquor (Placentia, CA), on to the beer:

Poured into a stange, this beer is shiny pale gold, the head is bubbly and foamy. The aroma is sweet with underlayers of hay and a mild bite of hops. Me likey the latter. To drink, no imported flavor to be found, but overall it's all good. It's a mild flavored lager, the pale malt is sweet and the end of the journey is of spicy hops. The finish is clean with the hops fading.

This is all one needs in a simple lager. Certainly better than Zywiec, and one that washed down my dinner well.

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3.73/5  rDev +17.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4.5

Kopernik is named after Copernicus, A famous Polish astronomer whom one of the first scientists to theorize that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe, and that the Earth is round and not flat.

This beer pours into a pils glass, nice and fast... racing carbonation, quick but impressive head that dissipates almost immediate.

The Color is of a pale gold hue, straw yellow... with sunset highlights. This beer Glows, when put to the light.

The taste is thin, and crisp, especially served chilled. Thin in body that is. A nice hop tweek, and a smooth, and resistance-less finish.

I really enjoyed this beer, its good to see Pilsners from outside Czech be so good too.

I really recomend this to Pils Lovers, and or for some one who wants to either get a taste of Polish/Astronomical History or wants to enjoy a nice beverage on a hot summers day.

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3.43/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

500ml bottle poured into a pint glass.

Pours slightly darker orange hued cloudy with 1 inch foam. Decent retention, but little lacing.

Smells light citrus, bot otherwise not much.

Clean lager taste, a tad on the sweet malty side with a very modest hop finish. Almost a malt liquor, but not nearly as heavy or offensive. Very light carbonation.

Overall, a drinkable lager. Sweeter and less crisp than typical, but still worthy.

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3.38/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.25

Poured from a brown 16.9 oz. bottle. Has a light golden color with a 1/2 inch head. Smell is of grains, malts, some sweetness. Taste is grains, light malts and hops, some hints of a metallic flavor. Feels medium bodied in the mouth and overall is a decent beer.

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3.88/5  rDev +22.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a bright pale orange with clarity so sharp, you can read through it. Fluffy billowing head of white foam rises up and leaves plenty of lacing sticking to the glass. Retention is pretty good, after 15 minutes or so, the head starts to break up into clumps and eventually a thin broken skim.

Lightly sweet, clean and bready barley malt, no off aromas, but fairly nondescript. Slightly perfumey noble hop, very vague however.

Sliced pears on toasted multigrain bread, notes of clover honey. Feels a little light and mild, but this is a euro lager, and that's to be expected. Clean with no off flavors. Crisp and dry in the finish with a little bit of initial malt sweetness, and mild residual sugars. Refreshing in early July. I liked Kopernik, and would drink it again.

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3.24/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

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3.25/5  rDev +2.5%

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3.5/5  rDev +10.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours a cloudy pale yellow with an inch of shiny white head, good retention and nice lacing to top it off. For a pilsener or Euro Lager it looks pretty nice. The aroma has some nice barley malt aroma to it also with cookie dough and a bit of citric hops to liven it up. The flavor here has a mellow hop character that is present throughout the drinking experience, a bit citric but well balanced with malts for a nice drink. There is, however, some plastic flavor to this and a bit of hops astringency despite the mellowness. The aroma is quite enjoyable but the taste is not quite up to par with it. Medium body with a somewhat creamy carbonation. Pretty decent beer, not really something I would import from Poland but something I could see being part of a session in a local scenario.

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2.46/5  rDev -22.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.25 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Tastes not too good, nothing interesting in the flavour, very poor lager, which doesn't deserve the name of Copernicus

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2.78/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

From a brown 500ml bottle with a blue label featuring a portrait of Copernicus, the famous Polish astronomer, at the top. The label claims this is a "Pils Beer".

Pours with standard Euro lager clarity, although the color is shifted over to the amber side of things. A small head is kicked up by the initial pour, but it fades to nothing quickly. The nose is malt-forward, with a bit of corn and DMS mixing into the sweet malt smells. There's just a hint of drying hops in the aroma. On the palate, there's a quick flash of hop bitterness and carbonation, followed by a longer malt phase marked by corny sweetness. The finish sticks a bit for a beer of such minor flavors. Mouthfeel is unremarkable in every way.

Overall, this is just your garden variety Euro macro lager, albeit perhaps a maltier than normal one. No way is it a pils like the label claims -- way too dark, malty and un-hoppy for that. Kopernik pils is nothing special but also nothing offensive. Bo-ring.

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2.44/5  rDev -23%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

500ml bottle.

It pours an almost hazy-looking bright light pale orange with a frothy white head that gives a bit of lacing.

The smell is of malt syrup and a hint of hops.

Taste is typical pale lager. Nowhere near a pils. It is malty with a hop flavor but not bitterness, really generic and plain.

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2/5  rDev -36.9%

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3.3/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Sampled this from a bottle into a sampling glass at a brewfest. Was surprised to see it pour darker than expected (since the label said 'Pils'), but the carbonation was apparent. The only negative was the non-existent head. The taste was surprisingly malty for a thin-body beer, which combined to make this an above average session beer. The big knock on this beer, which seems like it has a case of mistaken identity, is the lack of pronounced noble hops flavor...particular Saaz. A little too sweet for this style, and not enough of a floral bouquet.

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3.25/5  rDev +2.5%

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3/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A 500ml bottle (brown glass, pry-off crown cap) ran me $1.99 USD at a grocer in Brooklyn.

5.60% ABV.

APPEARANCE: Off-white ~5-6cm head. Clear pale copper body. Clean, with no visible yeast/lees within.

AROMA: Slightly funky, making me wonder if this is an old bottle. Lemon, some tartness, pilsner malt, slightly doughy yeast, creamed wheat, leavened bread.

Aromatic intensity is average.

TASTE & TEXTURE: Surprisingly balanced, actually. A soft pilsner malt backbone isn't what I expected, but it's there, playing against the slight crispness of the mouthfeel. Pale malts, 2-row barley, doughy yeast. A little bready, slightly grassy...it's not dialed in but there's sufficient flavour here to exceed my (low) expectations.

No off-flavours. Decent depth of flavour. Above average intensity and duration of flavour.

Smooth, wet, medium-bodied, refreshing. Could be softer, lighter, and creamier to good effect.

OVERALL: It's inoffensive budget fare that drinks easily and would pair well with pizza. A more than competent take on the generic European pale lager style/category that delivers in terms of high drinkability and neutral but favorable taste. I'd entertain the idea of a second purchase, even as an import. Its overcarbonation is its biggest flaw, but that's consistent with most budget beers in the category.

High C (3.00) / AVERAGE

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3.35/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

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2.11/5  rDev -33.4%
look: 3.25 | smell: 2.25 | taste: 1.75 | feel: 1.75 | overall: 2.5

It's a bigger ABV MHL.

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3/5  rDev -5.4%

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3.5/5  rDev +10.4%

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3.5/5  rDev +10.4%

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3.13/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Purchased from by "By the Bottle" in Vancouver, WA.

Poured from a standard 500ml brown bottle into a "pils" class.

The brew has a the classic pils look with a golden hue and a descent white head but it fades quickly. It is not a clear as some other pils.

Aroma is ok for this style Pils/Lager, but I like a touch more Saaz hops in my lagers.

Taste is fair but there is a bit of a metallic taste in their background. With each passing sip however it did fade.

This was first Polish Pils and it is not really worth a try and next time I'll stick with Poland's neighbor to the south!

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2.75/5  rDev -13.2%

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3/5  rDev -5.4%

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3.54/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

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3.47/5  rDev +9.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.75

Served in a pilsner glass.

A: Pours a golden honey color with a 1/2 inch white head that dissipates really fasts, leaving hardly any lacing.

S: Smells of yeast, wheat, honey, bananas, grains

T: Tastes fairly sweet, yeast, wheat, grains, bananas, honey, a bit syrupy, bit of hops at the end

M: A light bodied beer with good amounts of carbonation, kind of syrupy but still fairly good

O: Overall this is not too bad compared to the other Polish pale lagers I've had. Not too bad but a little bit funky. Not really too original, I would still opt for this over the mainstream american adjunct crap but still, doesn't say too much.

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Drifter Pale Ale | Widmer Brothers Brewing Company

Drifter Pale AleDrifter Pale Ale
965 Ratings
Drifter Pale AleDrifter Pale Ale

Brewed by:
Widmer Brothers Brewing Company
Oregon, United States

Style: American Pale Ale (APA)

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.70%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
availability: year-round
bitterness: 32 IBU
alcohol by volume: 5.7%
original gravity: 14.0° PLATO

Pale, Caramel 20L, Caravienne 20L, Caramel 80L, Carapils

Bittering: Alchemy
Aroma: Summit, Nelson Sauvin
Dry Hopped: Summit, Nelson Sauvin

Added by madtappers on 12-23-2008

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Photo of mothman
3.75/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured into Sam Adams Sensory Glass.

Pours about a 2 finger, slightly tanned head, decent retention with great lacing. Color is an amber copper. Pretty decent appearance.

Smell is similar to an IPA. Heavy floral and citrus smells. Taste is some-what hopped up as well. Not as much as the aroma. The taste is more of the pale ale category. Honey and citrus zest.

Mouthfeel is somewhat bitter, but smooth. Goes down pretty easy, but leaves a sticky aftertaste. Low carbonation.

Overall, I really enjoyed this pale ale. It smelt a lot like an IPA which was pleasant. I could definitely have another.

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Photo of TheManiacalOne
3.62/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

On-tap 7/10/09 at Doherty's East Ave Irish Pub in Pawtucket, RI, served in a US tumbler pint glass.

A: The beer is a light coppery brown color, with a thin off-white head that fades quickly and leaves a thin lace on the glass.

S: The aroma is of caramelized malts, hops and fruity citrus.

T: The taste starts with a strong fruity citrus sweetness that remains dominant the whole time. There's a decent hops presence that comes in but the sweetness continues with a caramel flavor in the background. The malt character is hearty but not too heavy. The after-taste is also sweet.

M: Crisp and smooth, medium body, medium carbonation, finish is slightly sticky.

D: Tasty, goes down ok, not too filling, mild kick, decent representation of style, the sweetness kind of over-powers everything else in the beer, but overall it's a fairly good beer that is worth drinking for a while.

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Photo of oberon
3.78/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I was a little aprehensive about buying this because I havent overly impressed with other Widmer products but this was pretty good I have to say.Poured into a standard pint a clear medium golden with a nice tight formed 1/2 finger white head that had good lasting power.Aromas of caramel/biscuit malt with a firm toastiness,a tinge of citric hop comes thru as well.Pretty balanced on the palate,a big sweetish caramel base with some dough up front that yields to a citrusy lightly piney finish.A real summer quaffing pale ale,it blow your mind but its pretty solid.

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Photo of Thorpe429
3.53/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Reviewed from notes.

Pours copper colored with a light white head and some sticky lacing. The nose is surprisingly quite bright with some fairly heavy citrus notes and a bit of caramel. The taste is similar with some hoppy citrus flavors coming through as well as a bit of pine. Some caramel and bread in the background. Not much bitterness in the mouthfeel; the hops are definitely more there in the flavor and aroma departments. Drinks fairly well and while not nearly my favorite, it's something that more and more is becoming the best option at a lot of places.

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3.5/5  rDev -6.7%

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3.58/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12 oz bottle into a pint glass.

Pours a clear copper, with a finger of bright-white head. This retains with a foamy ½ finger, leaving back a good bit of spotty froth that dots the sides of the glass. The aroma is an even mix of grass and spice in the nose, with an underlying mix of fresh leafiness, sweet fruit, and toasted grains.

The taste has a bitter and leafy feeling citric bitterness to it that spreads out into the mouth. This is buffered by notes of softer fruit and some grains, which lend this a sweeter character. The hops give this the most push though, coming through the finish with a dry pithiness that lingers. The mouthfeel is medium bodied, with a lively sharpness to the carbonation that dances around in the mouth. The feel smoothes out a bit as things lessen in the mouth, giving this an overall creamy crispness.

This was a decent APA from Widmer that drank very nicely for close to 6% ABV. I had no idea that they used Nelson Sauvin in this and I liked what it brought over; giving this a soft fruitiness that helped balanced the more aggressive aspects of those bittering hops. Nothing mind blowing here but this was crisp and flavorful enough to keep me happy.

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3.75/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

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3.6/5  rDev -4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Starts with a two-finger head, settles quickly, but leaves ample lace. The brew is solidly copper-amber in color and appears quite clear.

Strong pine aroma from the fresh hop. It's not harsh, but it has a distinct grapefruit element. I can't detect the malt base. It's very good, but unbalanced.

The flavor mirrors the aroma. Again, predominate hop covers up most of the malt. It leaves a long lasting aftertaste of citrusy bitterness. Relatively thin for the style. Certainly a pleasant, if hoppy, brew.

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4.04/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Picked this up as part of a mixed sixer, bottled 12/06/10.

Pours an effervescent amber/copper with a finger of cream colored head. Average head retention & lacing

S: Citrus hops, light breadyness, pineapple & lemon grass

T: Follows the nose, nice grapefruit snap, slight breadyness & some woody/herbal hops hiding in the background up front. Grapefruit, a touch of pineapple & grainy apricot as this warms. Finishes crisp with slight caramel sweetness & a kiss of grapefruit

MF: Light/medium bodied, lively but working for me carbonation level. Thins out a touch as this warms

Drinks very easy, wish I'd popped the top on this 3 or so weeks ago when I got this, although I may have found it too hoppy! Well done Widmer, will revisit this one again

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3.45/5  rDev -8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pours a clear, dark copper body with a thin, fine, white head.

Smell: Lightly grainy pale and caramel malt nose with a earthy, fruity, particularly citrusy hop scent.

Taste: Unassuming pale and caramel maltiness with a medium level of sweetness. Tiny tinge of grains. Earthy, citrusy hops imparting a taste of infused citrus peels, though the overall bitterness remains light. Drying finish with a mere hint of lingering bitterness.

Mouthfeel: Medium-bodied. Medium carbonation.

Drinkability: A decent, simple, but easily accessible American Pale Ale.

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4.04/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Another from my score out of the cooler at the Knickerbocker Hotel in Altoona! I do not know whether to invoke Clint Eastwood in "High Plains Drifter" or BMCS (SW) Gerard Wargo, my first LCPO in the USN, who routinely used to tell me, "Son, you have a high drift factor." I will go with the latter as the label has a nautical theme and drift or drift factor applies to a ship at anchor. A high drift or drift factor is not good and usually results in weighing anchor, getting underway to shift position and then resetting the anchor. Wargo was definitely NOT paying me a compliment!

From the bottle: "Brewers of Quality Beers".

I got a finger of tawny head from my pour, but it quickly dissipated. Color was a deep copper with NE-quality clarity. Nose smelled minty with a caramel/biscuit undertone, much like a Girl Scout Thin Mint. Mouthfeel was medium and the mintiness of the hops was immediately discernible on the tongue. It again begs the question of where does an APA leave off and an AIPA begin. As a self-avowed hophead, I have no problem with this sort of thing, but it surely was hoppy. Finish allowed the caramel/biscuit malts to get a chance to balance things out and they did so, nicely. A pretty good beer.

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3.95/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Rusty pumpkin with gem-like clarity, even after all 12 ounces were squeezed into the glass on a single smooth pour. The tight-bubbled crown of golden beige foam looks pretty damn good and is sticky enough to coat the glass with scattered sheets of lace that resemble spray-on snow.

The aroma is softly caramel malty and has an intriguing hoppiness. Summit adds an earthy citrusiness and Nelson Sauvin adds... something else. NS is a New Zealand variety of hop that is supposed to smell and taste like Sauvignon blanc grapes and gooseberries. Even though I can't identify either of those, the nose is APA enjoyable.

Drifter is a rock-solid American pale ale. There's just enough that's different about it that it's interesting as well, which never hurts. Drinking it at approximately four months of age makes me wish that I had cracked the crown closer to one month (assuming it was in my possession then). A sharper hop bite would make it even tastier.

The malt is a near equal mixture of pale and caramel (plus CaraVienne and Carapils), with very little of the toasted-earthy-nutty flavors that malts like Munich or Vienna tend to add. Summit may not be my favorite American hop, but it's citrusy enough to be in the second tier. Regarding the white grapiness... it's hard to say for sure. Balanced and drinkable? Yes and yes.

Due to a slight shortage of heftiness and a tendency to wander away on the back end, the mouthfeel falls a little short. Not seriously so, but a 'good' score can't be awarded in good conscience. A few more bubbles might have helped.

Widmer Drifter is good beer that is probably even better beer immediately after bottling. Of course that's true of pretty much all APAs. This is one of WBBC's better efforts and is an easy recommendation to anyone who enjoy a well-crafted pale ale.

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3.28/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

From 05/14/11 notes. Thanks to my brother Tom for giving me this. Poured from a 12 oz. bottle into a pint glass.

a - Pours a clear reddish amber color with one inch of tan head and moderate carbonation evident.

s - Smells of citrus hops, bready malts, grains, fruity malts, and tropical fruits.

t - Tastes of citrus hops, light fruity malts, and bready malts. A little less fruit than the nose; a slight step down.

m - Medium body and moderate carbonation.

o - Overall a little bland but easy to drink. A pretty average pale ale with some ncie fruit in the nose. Would give another shot.

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3.97/5  rDev +5.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

tons of yard work all week leads me to this one! served cold and into a pint glass

Poured a cloudy amber with no real head and no significant lacing. Smell was very grainy, almost like cereal. Grassy and earthy tomes as well. Taste followed suit nicely. Hoppy but not citrusy, more of a grainy, grassy type of taste. Very mellow and different. Nice carbonation and easy drinkability make this another good brew

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3.9/5  rDev +4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A: The pour is almost copper in color with a couple fingers of slightly off-white head.

S: A really nice citrus aroma to the beer. Plenty of grapefruit and perhaps some tangerine. A light floral quality to the hops with just a hint of pine and a solid malt backbone.

T: The flavor is similarly impressive. Nice grapefruit bite to it along with some piney notes. A solid, but not overwhelming, bitterness. Some bread/malt flavor in the background.

M: Medium in body with a moderate level of carbonation.

O: Really a fine pale ale, and one of the better offerings from Widmer.

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3/5  rDev -20%

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3.75/5  rDev 0%

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4/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I was in Jacksonville and tried the Drifter Pale Ale at Miller Ale House. A very good pale ale. Pours a copper colored body with an off-white head with good retention. Aromas are a bit atypical from what I'd expect from an APA, but I like them: I get a lot of pineapple and grapefruit notes from the hops with caramel maltiness playing a less pronounced role. These flavors define its taste as well, but the caramel malts are more prominent, making for a well-balanced beer. Well done, Widmer.

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3.5/5  rDev -6.7%

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3/5  rDev -20%

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4.05/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours a pale amber with a quarter of an inch of soft, foamy, white head that has decent retention. The nose has a citrusy, piny, resiny aroma. The taste is light and mildly malty but heavily hopped; there are notes of citrus, primarily grapefruit, as well as some very faint bread notes. The mouthfeel is light to medium bodied, smooth, and perfectly carbonated.

This is a well hopped, balanced, sessionable, enjoyable beer. In the APA category in my opinion it is among the most refreshing and drinkable.

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3.75/5  rDev 0%

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3/5  rDev -20%

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4/5  rDev +6.7%

Photo of imbibehour
3.41/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.25

Poured from the bottle into a nonic pint glass.

A real wonderful booming four finger light tan head is made, with super even bubbles all around. The head settles with a frothy and big bubbled retention cap, with lots of clingy lace chunks. Body is a crystal clear textbook amber copper color, real nice, but not much noticeable carbonation. Real good looking.

Very light toasted malts, faint sense of caramel. Some soft hop sense but very muted with maybe a touch of spruce/pine and citrus.

Palate is a little uneventful. Very light bodied almost wet with an almost soda gaseous feel. Palate comes with a light Marzen like malt quality and hints of sticky toffee. Most of the taste though is in the finish but it's quite weak. Slight toasty grain a bit, on the finish also.

Overall not awful but not getting that excited about this one.

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Drifter Pale Ale from Widmer Brothers Brewing Company
Beer rating: 3.75 out of 5 with 965 ratings
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