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    I have implemented a scenario using Spring Integration 2.0.1 that utilizes a queue channel backed by a persistent message store, using the Spring provided JdbcMessageStore implementation with an Oracle database.

    Below is an overview of my implementation:
    1) JMS event driven adapter consuming from a WebLogic JMS queue, delivering the message onto a direct channel.
    2) Content based router (xpath router) that will route to one of two possible direct channels (A or B).
    3) Xpath splitter consuming from channel A, splits the single message into multiple and sends each message onto the database persisted queue channel.
    For the purpose of describing the problem, the alternate path on the B channel is not relevant.
    4) Consumer will read messages from the queue channel and perform necessary action.

    Below is the relevant part of the application context:
    <bean id="dataSource" class="org.springframework.jndi.JndiObjectFactoryBean">
            <property name="jndiTemplate" ref="jndiTemplate"/>
            <property name="jndiName" value="${}"/>
            <property name="expectedType" value="javax.sql.DataSource"/>
        <bean id="oracleLobHandler" class=""/>
        <int-jdbc:message-store id="messageStore" region="${}" data-source="dataSource" lob-handler="oracleLobHandler"/>
        <int:channel id="downStreamChannel">
            <int:queue message-store="messageStore"/>
    During performance testing where a single message is broken down into over 2000 individual messages that will be persisted on the queue channel, I have noticed a gradual increase in time taken to perform the database insert. After digging into the code through the debugger, I extracted the following call stack:
    org.springframework.jms.listener.DefaultMessageListenerContainer#0-1@9, prio=5, in group 'Pooled Threads', status: 'RUNNING'
    	  at org.springframework.integration.jdbc.JdbcMessageStore.	(
    	  at org.springframework.integration.core.MessagingTemplate.doSend(
    	  at org.springframework.integration.core.MessagingTemplate.send(
    	  at org.springframework.integration.handler.AbstractReplyProducingMessageHandler.sendMessage(
    	  at org.springframework.integration.handler.AbstractReplyProducingMessageHandler.sendReplyMessage(
    	  at org.springframework.integration.handler.AbstractReplyProducingMessageHandler.produceReply(
    	  at org.springframework.integration.handler.AbstractReplyProducingMessageHandler.handleResult(
    	  at org.springframework.integration.handler.AbstractReplyProducingMessageHandler.handleMessageInternal(
    	  at org.springframework.integration.handler.AbstractMessageHandler.handleMessage(
    	  at org.springframework.integration.monitor.SimpleMessageHandlerMetrics.handleMessage(
    	  at org.springframework.jms.listener.DefaultMessageListenerContainer$
    Stepping through the call stack I was able to identify that the increasing lag was in the addMessageToGroup call in the JdbcMessageStore.
    	public MessageGroup addMessageToGroup(Object groupId, Message<?> message) {
    		final long createdDate = System.currentTimeMillis();
    		final String messageId = getKey(message.getHeaders().getId());
    		final String groupKey = getKey(groupId);
    		final byte[] messageBytes = serializer.convert(message);
    		jdbcTemplate.update(getQuery(CREATE_MESSAGE_IN_GROUP), new PreparedStatementSetter() {
    			public void setValues(PreparedStatement ps) throws SQLException {
    				logger.debug("Inserting message with id key=" + messageId + " and created date=" + createdDate);
    				ps.setString(1, messageId);
    				ps.setString(2, region);
    				ps.setTimestamp(3, new Timestamp(createdDate));
    				ps.setString(4, groupKey);
    				lobHandler.getLobCreator().setBlobAsBytes(ps, 5, messageBytes);
    		return getMessageGroup(groupId);
    The reason for the lag as highlighted above is that after every insert, the full set of persisted messages is fetched and returned. As over 2000 inserts are performed in sequence, the amount of data coming back and being processed increases each iteration, thus causing the whole process to gradually slow down. On average, it resulted in individual inserts being processed at around 345 milliseconds per request. Reviewing the usages of the addMessageToGroup method, I am guessing this was done for use by correlating handlers, however in other cases like the MessageGroupQueue handler it is an unnecessary step that affects performance.

    I've also noticed that the same approach is taken with the removeMessageFromGroup method.

    Can someone please elaborate on the reasoning for this design decision and whether it would be better to perform the fetch only when required?

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    Can you please upgrade to 2.2.M2. I understand that you may not officially rely on the milestone build but there were some significant improvements doen to the JdbcMessageStore to address the exact issue you are describing. And another user has already validated it so it would be nice to get another validation from you.
    Please let us know.


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I would like to replace the stock lock screen with the cyanogenmod lockscreen widget, due to the fast feel/performance and customization options. What is the best way to do this?
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Mmm, seems to work. Not exactly what I was looking for but no sliding, 2 button presses instead. One day there'll be one button press that takes you straight to pattern, I'll just keep believing that

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Hello all.

I got one of these when best buy dumped them, in the rose gold. Any way to replace the band? It would seem you can just put the clasp on a new band, but don't know if there is a source for bands.

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The "band" is an integrated housing for the speaker, microphone, and camera. The band is not user replaceable, but with anything in life, with enough ingenuity, anything is possible. I would certainly NOT encourage removing it just to change the color. Give it some time and it may grow on you, for the great price you paid. In a couple of months, you will start seeing skins coming out to cover the band with all kinds of colors and designs, like they have now for the case and clasp.
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You could just return it and pick one up online from AT&T for 199.99 in the color of your choice. It's only 50 more dollars and cheaper and easier than replacing the band. I've seen replacement bands on ebay and they were over 100 bucks. AT&T you have to buy online but you can choose pick up in store option and get it immediately. I just got mine that way today.
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Someone here posted bands links on eBay and I remember it was over $150 for the set. Not worth it.

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Maybe if your watch goes faulty in a few months time you get a replacement samsung will replace it with the new gear two good idea me thinks.
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Hey there, I'm using Omar's rom, I'd love to use cute emoji on my smartphone, but unfortunately the font doesn't seem installed? I've already installed the "Emoji for English words" dictionary. Whenever I use Swype's beta emoji keyboard, there are lots of blanks, missing all the cute smiley faces.
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I thought I'd try and make some icons for the GTX theme. Here are some samples:

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Updated the pack with 12 more icons (July 15)
65 icons now included in the zip:

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i agree it looks good to me as well
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Awesome, would love to have at least the original icons replaced with something like this.
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I'll try and get some more done then, so You can try it out on the phone, thanx for the encouraging words! Might take a little time, after all, it's vacation time :)
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Could somebody try these on their phone? I currently don't have the GTX theme installed, so I wonder how they look "live".

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here you go. looks really cool. waiting for complete set

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Super idea

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Thanx for the screenshot! Looks not bad :)

What icons should I try and get done first? I don't have time to make like hundreds right now, so which ones are most important to start off with?

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    MGTS, are you still up for showing me some rides around Harrogate? I've been off for a couple of weeks, but back in the saddle now.Let us know what you think, and if anyone else is interested..nothing too long or too strenious..

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    This week's ride is about 15 miles, some hills (well, it *is* Baildon/Guiseley) with some new stuff thrown in at the start and finish - finally got the Buck Wood new bit sorted, plus a new (to some) descent from the Old Glen House; the limbo trees have been cut down too, so that makes that bit easier.Decapitation Bridge - Buck Wood - Suspension Special - pooh, what's that smell - Spring Wood - Guiseley - Golf Course descent - Baildon Moor - Shipley Glen etc7pm Shoulder of Mutton (not the Malt Shovel as previously stated), Otley Road, Baildon.

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    Michael - I will be out for a pootle around this eve'. If you live or can get to Bilton area you're welcome to join me. Some bridleway & some quiet road, nothing strenuous. Email me if interested or phone if you have the contact list (don't really want to put my number up here).

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    Tim, where abouts are you setting off from, and what sort of time are you starting?

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    Michael - Setting off from home, could meet you at car park at the end of the cycle path down Bilton Lane. Could make it any time really but preferably not much after 7pm so we don't have to bother with lights.

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    how long you looking to ride for? time/miles??

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    Probably around hour & a half, mileage depends on you really, I'm just out for a pootle just to keep the legs going so I'm quite happy to ride at your pace. The riding is pretty easy so maybe 15 miles but we can see how it goes, there are plenty of options to shorten or lengthen.

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    is this where the car park is?,457750& st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srfI'l l see if I can clear it with the wife.....

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    Yep, that's it

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    ok, will try and see you there at 19:00...

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    OK I'll be there @ 7pm. Can you post up if you can't make it? I'll check the thread before I set off

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    yeah should be able to.I usually get home about 6:15 ish...

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    i will have a look.looks like a skip in the back of the car at the moment.

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    Tim, yes I will be comming, just got changed, and about to start loading up the car.see you there

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    Hi guys I'll be out tomorrow :-)

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    Tim, good ride last night, thanks very much, really enjoyed it.

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    No problem Michael

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    In answer to the question on the other thread I'm bringing the cake tonight (assuming I don't forget to put it in the car).

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05-30-2006, 07:37 PM

Just found this site and wanted to hear your opinions on it.
I think it's a scary prospect but would like to hear other views.

I am aware this forum is very international and wanted to hear a view that's not from biased internal media.
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05-30-2006, 07:53 PM
As long as I don\'t die due to it, or feel any discomfort during my life because of it, I dont give a shit. But it is bad for civilization as a whole. Oh and the animals and plants too probably.

05-30-2006, 08:00 PM
Some say it's not as bad as everyone says it is, but then some PMS over it. I really don't care about it

05-30-2006, 08:03 PM
It disappoints me to know that anything humanity touches, it inevitably destroys.

But, by the time global warming kicks in i'll probably be dead so whatever.

Litha Riddle
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I thought I'd ask people due to all the debates in parliament about it. I wanted a realistic world opinion.

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05-30-2006, 11:46 PM
It disappoints me to know that anything humanity touches, it inevitably destroys.

But, by the time global warming kicks in i'll probably be dead so whatever.

Actually, if you manage to live the next fifty years, chances are your life will be able to be pro-longed for a very long period of time. That is, it's speculated that by fifty years down the road, stem cell research or nano technology or whatever will be able to add quite a few more decades on to your life. So you might actually live to see its effects. I'm for governments trying to do more about it now, because, it'll be detrimental to me a few years down the line...And, it's pretty stupid.

05-31-2006, 12:02 AM
Speaking as an American, there has only been 1 president that attempted to enforce fuel standards and tried to improve vehicles fuel mileage. Nobody liked Carter for it and it once the fuel shortage was over we went back to are evil ways. Bush the retard that he is makes comments about hybrids being weak or some such rott a few years back. Obviously he doesn't understand the problem. One of his advisors should simplify it for him.

Some experts believe that global warming is causing the increase in power and frequency of the hurricanes here as well. I don't know about weather changes in other countries. Other experts also have said its a natural world occurence that the planet cycles through or something like that.

I just think if somehting is going to be done about global warming it's going to require mass riots, murder, picketing, fire bombing of car industries. maybe a car buying strike as well to hopefully make car companies modify their gas guzzlers. And yes i was joking about the murder:)

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If it's a natural occurence or due too excess polution would you take that gamble.
I myself am 25 so I'm less likely to be in the worst but I would like a decent world to give to my nephew and niece.
In my house you leave it as you find it and think that should apply to the earth aswell (in one piece). There are so many possible ways of living without irreversibly damaging the enviroment.
A good example is Hydro/Bio-mass cars. I know they are expensive to run, but if the worlds leaders gave as much funding to them as they does getting oil we would have bloody air cars by now.
How much cash did US/UK spend going to war for oil and gas, that could have been spent on research. Both UK/US have enough oil/gas to be frugul while research is carried out. Also if public transport was better then people would be able to cope without a car. If they cant there is car sharing, bio-mass fuel and even vegatable fat.
The worlds leaders are running out of excuses for damaging our world and are now panicking. I just hope by the time they figure out that global warming is trouble it can be reversed.
As for signs of effects in UK; there have been an increase in floods, decrease in fish stocks/wild birds etc, and an increase in land erosion. Also the weather is starting to get more extreme; hotter summers, snow/hail in spring, -0 in winter and rougher seas, more sea mammals appearing inland (the whale in the thames).


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But the blind says he was in one of the biggest bands of the 90s. I wouldn't describe is band as that - her's yes but not his!!!
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    I'd say it is doubtful given that it is a brand new model, and most dealerships don't have any inventory yet. I found a grand total of 2 listed in my metro area (Kansas City).

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    I actually got one - $1,300 under stick price. I wasn't planning to buy one until insisted price was accepted :-)
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    Could you please let me know where you bought and the details. Thanks
  • I don't see anyone posting the price they paid.
    Here is what i got, for 2013 ES300h with Navigation, Leather, Heated Seats, Parking Assist, Navigation, Rear SunShade etc for $43K (Excluding Tax, title, tag etc).. Is this a good price?, shall i pull the trigger?.
  • what is the MSRP on your config. for which they have quoted you $43k.
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    MSRP $44,427. Paid $40,427, and also was able to obtain Lexus all-weather mats (worth ca. $200) free of cost. That is, the negotiated price was ca. $4200 below the MSRP, translating to a discount of approx. 9.4%.
  • What features does it have? Does it have Leather, Navigation, Rear Sun shade, BSM and Parking assist?
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    Yes, it does have the features you mentioned above and some more, i.e., leather (which is part of Luxury Pkg), Display Audio, Wood Heated Steering Wheel, Rain sensing wipers with deicer, Blind Spot Monitor w/Rear Cross Traffic Alert, HID Headlamps, Power Rear Sunshade, Intuitive Parking Assist, Trunk Mat, Cargo Net & Wheel Locks.
  • Which state is this? also the final price you mentioned is excluding tax and other dealer fees or including? Thats a good price you got ,regardless.
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    State is NJ. The purchase price given above was before tax, etc. The final cost after tax, etc was just shy of $44,000.
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    2013 ES300h w/ leather luxury package, navigation, back up camera, parking sensors, rear sun shade, rain sense wiper, HID lamps, blind spot, intuitive park assist, mats & applique, wood steering wheel and shifter MSRP 46,320:

    Lease 46mo 10k mile per year, $650/mo including SD CA 8% sales tax w/ only $1500 down, and $5000 negative equity on my trade. Already got the trade appraised at Carmax and 2 other places and Lexus was the highest offer on the trade.
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    Are you seeking opinions or have you already done this deal? If you haven't done the deal, I would recommend not doing it - that's way too much negative equity to roll into a new lease. If you have already done this deal, enjoy the car, although it will cost you around 78 cents a mile if you complete the lease as stated.

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    No I haven't yet. I was trying to figure out if that was a normal range of price to pay for a loaded es300 hybrid when you take out the negative equity.

    I'm still not sure how a lease works with negative cost cap reduction.

    To me it seems if they are advertising a lease for 369 a month without tax with 3900 due at signing and I am only putting 1500 down and rolling negative then it is around where it should be but who knows. Does anyone know for every thousand dollars change how much it would increase a lease on a car like this?

    Is there a one to one relationship with buying a car with higher MSRP then the advertised lease special and negative cost cap? Ie if the lease they advertise is for an MSRP of 39900 and the car I pick out is 46300 how does that change things?
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    You need to educate yourself on how leases work and how they are calculated. I think there is a section on Edmunds that can help you out. Never accept a nationally advertised lease as a figure locked in concrete - there is usually some profit built in to help dealers make more money. Selling price is one of the main factors used to calculate the lease monthly payment - smart shoppers negotiate the lowest selling price possible. For each $1000 the selling price is decreased or increased, a 36 month lease payment will change approximately $28 a month. Negative equity is added directly to the selling price. Therefore, if you add $5000 negative equity to a lease, you would be paying about $140 per month just to cover the cost of trading in your old leased vehicle. Your post history indicates that you don't keep cars long - you would be much better served by entering into a much shorter lease term (24 months) or conventionally finance for no more than 36 months. But before you do anything, educate yourself on how to buy or lease a car - dealers love customers who are confused - they make a lot of money on them.

    Hope this helps,

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    Hi Bill,

    Thanks for your response to my questions about leasing a vehicle. I usually keep cars only if I'm 100% satisfied with them - in the case of my current vehicle, I thought I was buying a Lexus, when in fact I got something more along the lines of a Toyota Corolla with some fancy trim on the inside. When I bought it the dealership pulled the wool over my eyes by giving me the quick 1 freeway exit test drive, and I should have drove it a much longer distance before making a buying decision. The Ct200h is a very attractive hybrid but it is very uncomfortable to drive for long distances due to the vibrations and noise which the dealership service department told me is "Normal for the ct200". It's a 4 year lease and I still have 3 more years to go on it.... It's probably a horrible idea for me to jump ship from this car, but I guess I weigh in heavily the fact that I'm paying $535 a month for a vehicle that feels like a $299 prius C to me. I know it's not quite as bad, but that's the closest analogy I could come up with.

    Anyway, you're probably right a 24 month lease would be much better for me. I will have to weigh the payment vs future risk factor in and see if it would work out for me.

    BTW, I realize MSRP is the best thing to negotiate with the dealer. But, in a lease, can't they make it back in other ways such as jacking up the money factor or changing the residual, or are those fixed by the manufacturer and unable to be changed based on my credit score (I qualify for tier1+ rates from LFS).

    Are there any "penalty rates" when you roll in negative equity do they increase the money factor because it's more of a risk to the lender to loan more then the msrp of the vehicle?

    Lastly, are there many dealers out there that are confident enough in their product that they will let me take it for a demo drive for a few hours (or maybe even a day to commute to work and back) so I can see if I really want it so I don't make the same mistake again?
  • gmanusmcgmanusmc SoCalPosts: 450
    Some dealers will attempt to jack up the money factor - the good ones don't. With your credit, you qualify for LFS best rate and you should demand it. The lease expert on Edmunds (screen name Carman), found in the various lease questions forums, can provide the latest money factors, residual percentages and incentives available. There should be no money factor penalties for negative equity other than you are paying interest on the rolled in amount. Keys to leasing: lease a vehicle with high residual value, negotiate lowest possible selling price, get the lowest possible money factor. Of course, when a trade in vehicle is involved, the whole thing gets tricky depending on the value of the trade in and how much is owed on it. As far as test drive, I guess you should find a dealer who will allow you to test drive the vehicle to the point you are satisfied that you can make an informed judgment that the vehicle will do what you want it to do after you take possession.

    Bill G
  • What's the actual milage on an ES-300H? Tha stated milage is 40/40 but is that achievable?

  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWPosts: 1,771
    My three week old one with over 500 miles on the last two fill-ups is averaging just over 41 mpg.
    2015 Lexus RC350 F-Sport, 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring, 2013 Audi A4 Premium Plus (son's got it)
  • 500 miles between fill-ups is very good. Is the mileage highway, local or mixed?
  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWPosts: 1,771
    My mpg is based on mixed driving, close to 50/50.
    2015 Lexus RC350 F-Sport, 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring, 2013 Audi A4 Premium Plus (son's got it)
  • carnaughtcarnaught Desert SWPosts: 1,771
    edited March 2014

    Last tankful mpg was a touch under 44 mpg. Very pleased.

    2015 Lexus RC350 F-Sport, 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring, 2013 Audi A4 Premium Plus (son's got it)
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    44 is a nice number when you head to the pump!

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  • bob289bob289 Posts: 14
    edited August 2014

    Im not sure where to post this and this seems like the correct place. I just picked up an 2014 Lexus ES 300h for 50,500.00 OTD. It came with the luxury package, rear sun shade, radar cruz, rain sensing wipers, HID, blind spot monitor, intuitive parking assist, pre collision sys heated stearing wheel, and illuminated door still. Basically almost everything but the ultra lux package. Did i get a good price? On a side note I think they got me on the 8 yr 120k extended warranty, prepaid maintenance, and the clear bra cover on the front of the car for additional 7k. So total 57kish.

  • ag1991ag1991 Posts: 1
    edited September 2014

    At the beginning of last month I bought a New 2014 Lexus ES300h Starfire Pearl (White) Exterior with Parchment (Tan/Beige) Interior in Missouri.

    Features/packages include:
    * Premium Package
    * Lexus Display Audi/Backup Camera Package
    * Intuitive Parking Assist
    * Blind Spot Monitor with Cross Traffic Alert
    * Heated Wood and Leather Trimmed Steering Wheel
    * Alloy Wheel Locks
    * Key Gloves
    * Cargo Net
    * Carpeted Trunk Mat
    * All Weather Mats
    * Rear Bumper Applique

    MSRP $44,477
    Paid $39,601 +$199 Dealer Fee = $39,800
    I did the 0.9% APR for 60 months

    How did I do?

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    Sounds like you did pretty good :)

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  • Ag1991 - sounds like you got a great deal. Did yours come with Navigation? Is that inclusive or TTL fee? I'm in the market for an ES300H with Nav. Anyone in Texas know of a good place to buy one?
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  • FroyFroy Posts: 3
    I had the same problem with my 2000 Cadillac Catera Sport. Does you cadi have no horsepower when you are stopped and try to peel out of the intersection and have no juice? Also once you turn it off and turn it on it runs normal again? If you answer yes to these questions then in about 6 months you will need a new transmission. I though it was the stupid computer again but its not. Good luck!
  • FroyFroy Posts: 3
    I have the same problem with my 2000 Catera Sport. I really wanna drive this car off the cliff because of the stupid computer problems. My radio does not work and trunk release I gotta put in drive to open it! Wonderful german technology! May I ask you how much it cost you to put the relay board? Thanks a lot!
  • FroyFroy Posts: 3
    I just recently replace my radiator and a couple days ago the upper hose came off. I thought no big deal so I put a clamp back on and I was able to drive the car home however there was no heat. The next day I put the Dex Cool antifreeze and notice the milkshake in my antifreeze reservoir. There is no antifreeze in the oil and my transmission is brand spankin new. The headgaskets I recently replaced 6 months ago. Any advice anyone? My guess is the oil cooler? Has anyone done this job before? Please help????

    Please note my car has 355,000 kilometers and this car was a great car FOR ME until 300,000 kilometers with no major repairs. I still have the original timing belt or I am assuming it is chain because it hasnt broken yet. I guess I am one of the few lucky ones!
  • I'm not sure how much it was. I will check my records once I get home from vacation. At first they said it would be covered by the extended warrantee, so I paid nothing when I picked up the car...then it turned out it wasn't covered. I think it was around $200.
  • I love my 99 catera sport aside from the usual fixable problems I am veryyyy happy with my silver baby
  • merckxmerckx Posts: 565
    It's a real pleasure to hear of someone else who is enjoying their Catera. My wife was so distrustful of our 2001 that last June I bought her a 2008 Buick Lucerne. I've kept the Catera as a weekend car,as it is worth very little on the usee car market...I keep waiting for something else to happen to it,but it's been fine for a while now....Only up to 52,000 miles.
    It is a little irksome that the collant level sensor went bad...i just haven't bothered to get the panel warning light to shut off;I understand the only fix is to replace the overflow tank.
  • It is about a 10 minute fix. Get a new overflow tank, ( as the sensor is in the btm. of the tank. remove all hoses and un plug the wires from under the tank, replace the unit re connect the hoses and it is all set to go. Buy the new tank from ebay or from the Cad. Dlr. in Chicago and the price is lower. check ebay first..... best not to use a used one as the sensor may be bad again... Good luck. By the way I have had the everyday things go wrong with our Catera, but I have been able to do the repairs myself. Water tank, heater valve and the cps ( sensor). the shop would have charged me bout 1200.00 for all three repairs, but only cost was parts about or under 100.00 as I recall.. " GET ER DONE. LOVE OUR CATERA. LEE...........
  • It is about a 10 minute fix. Get a new overflow tank, ( as the sensor is in the btm. of the tank. remove all hoses and un-plug the wires from under the tank, replace the unit re connect the hoses and it is all set to go. Buy the new tank from ebay or from the Cad. Dlr. in Chicago and the price is lower. check ebay first..... best not to use a used one as the sensor may be bad again... Good luck. By the way I have had the everyday things go wrong with our Catera, but I have been able to do the repairs myself. Water tank, heater valve and the cps ( sensor). the shop would have charged me bout 1200.00 for all three repairs, but only cost was parts about or under 100.00 as I recall.. " GET ER DONE." LOVE OUR CATERA. LEE...........
  • fehufehu Posts: 7
    well so far I know the battery is good and will hold a charge until I try and try to start it and eventually it runs down. The car turns over but won't start. Put carb leaner in the intake and nothing and then into the spark cylinders and still no start. It's almost like the computer is telling it not to start for some reason.
    I have a lot of oil on the engine from a valve cover gasket leak not sure it that is an issue?
    Starter is working because it turns over and the ingnition obviously. End of my ropes and cadi dealers down here want your first born to fix them just can't afford it.
    Any ideas????
  • ssklsskl Posts: 45
    I suggest to first of all to see if there is spark to any one cyl.. You can do that easily by twisting the easiest to get at plug wire at that plug location and pulling wire off plug carefully with pliers. Then set that plug wire end at about 1/2 inch from a surface of metal (to ground) to cause an arc that an observer can see while starting is attempted, If it arcs after several cycles you will know that the cyls. are most likely getting spark and the problem might be a lack of fuel supply.
    Try this first and we'll go from there.
    By the way carb cleaner is not meant to be used as a fuel to start with, I don't like any starting fluid, gas is good enough. You can blow the top off your intake with any fuel shot into the intake. The fuel injectors must be the only supplier of fuel.
  • gngurugnguru Posts: 108
    Read my post #801. Since carb cleaner in intake did not fire it (probably not a fuel problem) I would try replacing the CKP (crankshaft position sensor). If you can wait a couple of days for the part, the cheapest place to get it is GMPartsDirect on line (about $50 + or - a few $$). About 45-60 minutes labor. If that doesn't fix it repost. Good luck.
  • Hello Everyone, I am glad to hear that some people still enjoy their Cateras, I do enjoy my 1999 even though since I bought it over a year ago I spent almost twice the price I paid for it to repair its various and SUDDEN problems, which some were repaired and some I've learned to live with :) Anyway, since this car made me broke I am trying to avoid going to the dealer anyway possible so I am back to ask if you can help me with two questions:
    1. The dashboard light fuse keep blowing, I replace it and about 15min later it goes (only when the light is on) nothing else seems to be affected by this, all the warning lights and signals work fine and are not affected. I tried to see if the AC/CD/Fans/heater being on/off makes any difference but it does not. the fuse is 10amp, I tried with 25amp and it also went. Not sure if this is related but I had the passenger side window replaced about 2 months ago (not at Cadillac dealer), about a week later the dashboard fuse started going. I know this is open for many possibilities but if someone had similar problem or any ideas please share.
    2. Where can I find replacement arms for the rear window sun shade? the hinges at the top were broken since I bought the car, I tried different types of glue with no luck. and I tried to get replacements at salvage yards and ebay but could not find them their either. not sure if they are called something else. Thanks for any help. :)
  • ummmm We have had Cateras since 2002, and are on our second one. We love our Catera, but must confess that I have never seen a "rear window shade on either one, I will have to check again...???????????? Lee BRB

    ( just checked and can not find it.........)
  • ArtXArtX Posts: 3
    I buy 3 yrs ago catera `97, I like this car for comfort ride, but....only for comfort ride, nothing more, and nothing special more. A lot problems with electric, lights inside sometimes work, sometimes no, nobody knows why. And big problem with rust on forward doors, left and right( I saw few other cateras with rust in this same places) This Car is comfortable mistake. After this winter I will try sell this car, and I wanna buy BMW 525 /530 from 1997-99 I know this is better choice like catera. ;) :shades:
  • az_hvyaz_hvy Posts: 30
    I have a 98 and no sunshades in mine ether Maybe previous owner had them installed As far as the dashboard fuse no clue sorry cant help
  • ssklsskl Posts: 45
    Please tell me exactly where the rust is in the door area so I can prevent it on my mint '96.
    My son watched some Cateras being built in the Opel plant in southern Germany when he went to college there. Funny, they used them for police cars since they were built so good for the Germans.
    I suspect after hearing all the electrical probs with them that the export ones included some intentional fopaughs (electrical mysteries) during assembly.
    Our 635 BMW was trouble free but wasn't as good on gas as the Mercedes Benz 300e, and insurance was much higher. I am an (unusual car) nut, mostly odd ones
    I only traded my Reatta for this Catera because it was so sharp looking, missing on one cyl. and apart now to fix and no regrets yet. Dave
  • Thanks alot guys, seems like I am going to have to go to the dealer after all; just for the dashboard lights fuse problem, for now I can live without the sunshade. By the way it was factory installed in mine, according to the manual the shades are an option, seems like a rare one that's why no replacement parts available.
  • Did you ever get a response as to what caused the no heat condition and how to fix it? I too have no heat out of the passenger side. It makes the passenger uncomfortable on cold days.
  • it is the oil cooler for sure I just replaced mine and now it works fine. the trick is the oil cooler is between the head gaskets. not a hard fix but just a little time consuming. I got an oil cooler out of a junk yard for $80 dollars and they pulled it out for me. after you fix it you will have to flush the old coolant out a few times to make sure it is completly clean. also i replaced the dex cool with the blue stuff...
  • Never got a response to this problem. Please keep in touch, please post if you hear anything and I will do the same. I can't believe no one else has or had this problem.
  • Ok I bought the part its called a Module M/Function part number is 90494163...Can anyone tell me where this goes on the car? The Cadillac parts counter said it had no info on where this part was to go which seems weird...Any help would br great! Thanks!! :sick:
  • hello fellow cateras.just have an issue with my 97 catera.the leveling light is on and i checked the fuse and noticed that it was popped so i changed the fuse and popped soon as i put the fuse in.anyone have any ideas on what the problem is?
  • Like everyone else here i have had many a problem with my catera, :lemon: , but im in college and don't have the money to get most of them fixed, so they have all piled up to now. The biggest problem is that sometimes after turning the car on and off 4 or 5 times in a short time span it will not start (crank but not fire up), but after a jump its fine. After a few months of this the battery will go dead and i have to replace it. Then recently i went to try to start the car and it woulden't even try to turn over, no clicking, no noise, nothing. All the lights work and nothing looks dim but no crank, much like one of the earlyer posts on the forum, #858 by gnguru. I had this battery tested and its fine and the alternator was tested last time i got a battery, so 6 months ago, and it checked out. gnguru's problem was fixed with a starter, but i wanted some more feedback before i started buying parts and having them installed. Any advice??
  • I 'd have to go with the starter problem. that is the way they go " sometime' Try to pick one up from Ebay or from a bone yard. Lee
    By the way are you from Alabama"
    I am from Daphne.............
  • ssklsskl Posts: 45
    A good mystery is why I bought a Catera. Your problem has a good puzzle to solve which I like.
    Might be the starter but I'm wondering why the engine would start only when jumped when the starter would turn the engine. A clue from that might be that the starter armature is grounding out due to worn armature bearings and takes most of the lone battery current not allowing engine to fire up but the jump provides enough current to fire the engine.
    The other possibility is a poor connection at the starter, should hear a click even though starter is bad which indicates a bad solenoid or relay.
    Try leaving lights on and try to start to see if lights die when starter is engaged, if they do die then most likely the starter is bad, if they don't die then that means starter is not connected, the current flow is broken, then likely it's not the starter. .
  • dave53dave53 Posts: 2
    The trannie has sliped from drive to nutral at slow speed, 15-20 mph twice now.
    We have conserns since we found out about it's interference engine after we drove it home" as is"
    The wife loves the car, except the drivers side seat heater is inoperative.
    Any ideas about this symtom and how to deal with it.
    We have had the car 5 days, It has 88,000 miles
    Thank you
  • fehufehu Posts: 7
    Are you sure it's slipping into nuetral or just slipping from one gear to the next?
    Catera's have a sealed transmission so no way to put fluid into them. But if you go to one of the lube shops and can get them to agree to it they can inject some fluid into the trani for a temporary fix. But you have a leak somewhere evidently so it's probably a gasket. Catera's are known for the gaskets wearing out quickly. Mine only has 47K miles and I have two bad gaskets to fix already.
    Just some thoughts on the situation as my last catera had a trani problem.
  • fehufehu Posts: 7
    The best thing to do is to check as much as you can before buying parts. It can get expensive. Is the battery dead again? A couple of things you can check are as follows. Check if the engine is getting spark. If the engine isn't getting any spark and will turn over but not start it's the Crank shaft sensor. Can get one at auto zone for around 72 bucks. pull off the spark plug assembly and check one of the chambers to see if it is getting spark.
    You can also check the fuel pump by spraying a small amount of carb cleaner (NOT starter fluid) into the intake. If the car starts when you do that then it's most likely the fuel pump. but if you are not getting it to start AND not getting spark it's most likely the crank sensor.
    This sensor can fool you by starting sometimes and then just going completely out. Hope this helps only tips I have right now. Good luck
    Hope these tips help you out.
  • i just bought a 2001 catera and i love the car but i have a couple of questions. has anyone had the light that illuminates that speedometer go out? mine did as soon as i got it home....... and my passenger side heater only blows cold air??? does the car have two thermostats? anyone have the heater problem?
  • drascodrasco Posts: 1
    Have the transmission serviced at a transmission shop. Make sure they install a new transmission oil filter, and have them take apart the old one to see if it's full of old friction material. You may need to have the trans rebuilt. If there's not a lot of junk in the transmission pan or the filter, then have the low band readjusted. It's the band in the rear part of the trans. There's a screw in plug on the right side of the trans pan where you put the fluid in. You check it with the car running in park. Oil should just be dribbling out. That's considered full. Good luck!
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Nissan Quest Entertainment Systems

Looking into buying a used Quest SE 2004 or newer. One option that is a must is a DVD. If I find one without DVD is it difficult to add DVD? I know with the moon roof and everything probably only a specific size will fit???

  • Since the Quest forum was shutdown, it seems that Claires wants us to create a new discussion group for each issue. This is odd, as I've not seen this on other forums, such as the Subaru forum, it is.

    Has anyone notice that their Bose radio (SE owners) seems to go in and out of 'stereo' mode for no reason? I know that if radio reception is interrupted this will happen, but, it happens with CD's as well. It's really odd to be listening to music and it go to 'mono' and back. This doesn't happen often, but, has caught our attention a few times.

    2004 Quest SE
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 1,190
    Hi, famof3kids,

    Not odd at all, and I'm not staging a coup over here in Vans & Minivans :-) These changes are taking place in all of our Forums, and have already happened in the Forester, Baja and Tribeca topics over in Subaru. The idea is to help members find the topics they're looking for more easily. To that end, I've changed the name of this topic to Nissan Quest: Audio System Questions.

    Need help getting around? - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • tjshantjshan Posts: 28
    Well, since we are starting a new thread for audio questions...

    I recently got a set of the wireless headphones for our 06 SE which by the way does NOT have a DVD player...they work fine...which was a nice surprise. Now I would like to find a way to tap into the audio system to connect the kids portable DVD player audio...any idea where and what the DVD acc plug under the seat looks like , I assume all the cars were wired for DVD, just not installed.

    BTW, if anyone needs an extra DVD me.

  • What? All Nissan Quest SE come standard with the DVD player. I think it was moved to the dash on the '07, maybe the '06, but on the '04 it was under the passenger seat. It has RCA video/audio inputs, which we use for video games and mp3 player.

  • tjshantjshan Posts: 28
    Sorry, My mistake...we have an 06 3.5SL with Spec Ed DVD player. IT sure would be nice to find the AV inputs though to pipe the portable DVD or laptop into the audio.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    Check under the front passenger seat for the connections. I had an aftermarket unit installed and this is where it is located.
  • dtownfb....what year and what model is your Quest van? Did your Quest only come with a single CD player? It's also possible the shop that installed it also installed an aftermarket interface module to make your system work.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    2004 Quest S with single CD. it was an aftermarket installation by a company that the dealer uses for it's electronics. they most likely did install the interface aftermarket. This is probably very common.
  • tjshantjshan Posts: 28
    I found the plug under the seat, has about 8 inputs. anyone have a wiring schematic to ID which ones are the audio?
  • Does anyone know where to buy a Nissan compatible DVD remote for a reasonable price? We drive an 04 Quest and unfortunately our remote was recently lost.

  • guestguest Posts: 770

    We have one from an '06..i would imagine it would work...give me an offer and its yours

  • Tom,

    Did you receive my email the other day?

  • vil99vil99 Posts: 4
    My radio/CD/clock display goes blank now that cold weather is here. '99 Villager Sport, 47k, w/ rear seat radio controls & 6 CD changer. When the interior warms up real hot then it comes on again. Any answer besides replacing the whole unit? TIA! Larry
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 44,938
    It's a known problem involving a bad solder joint on a control panel; I've been lucky that mine hasn't gone out on my '99 Quest.

    Try an Advanced (text) Search for Quest radio display in Vans for posts like this one:

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  • We lost the remote for our 2001 Quest with the factory installed autovision VCR unit. Does anyone have one they'd love to part with? Or know of where I could go to get one?

  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    Yoou may have luck with an universal remote from Walmart (or Target, Radio Shack, K-Mart, Boscov's, etc.). Cost you about $7-$8.
  • I just bought an '04 Quest with the DVD and I'm wondering how the kids can listen to the movie in the back and we can listen to the radio in the front. Is that possible? If so, how? Any advice is appreciated!
  • I have a 2005 Nissan Quest 3.5S and want to install Offmarket DVD/Mp3 Player. Are there any good models out there that can fit into the current CD player slot in the console? Or will the DVD player have to be installed somewhere else? I am looking for the LCD screen to be attached to the ceiling.

  • Most will fit in the storage bin under the pass. seat. You will have to lift the seat out for more room. I think that is where the factory one is. You can use a fm transmitter to broadcast the signal thru the radio. I wish we could tap into the radio for the audio signal. I bought 2 leather wrapped monitors with the adjustable post that fit where the orininal headrest are.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    To add on to what harveje posted, any audio/video store should be able to help you. I had my DVD unit added by the dealer after purchase. They sent it to a audio/video store. The unit is under the passenger seat facing the driver and easily accessed by the driver or passenger. I have the over head monitor. i Like this unit because the people in the third seat can also view it. The monitor does not interfere with rear vision.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    I believe the only way you can do it is to have the kids use wireless headphones. you can pick them up at any store like Radio Shack, Best buy, etc.
  • That is correct. Push the 'headphone' button on the console. When you do this, the rear speakers will mute, and you can listen to CD/Radio/Sat on the front speakers.

    04 Quest SE
  • freefanefreefane Posts: 1
    I had 2004 nissan quest se model and what I understand the se come with pre-wire for the video system, and I try to find the plug but no luck. can you send me some pictures where and what it look like.. Thanks very much.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    Can't show you a picture but look under the passenger seat.
  • bnsfcondrbnsfcondr Posts: 5
    We just bought an 04 Quest with the factory DVD installed, but it did not have the headphones with it. Does anyone know if I can purchase any wireless IR headphones to use with this system? I have found numerous listings on Ebay for other manufacturers, but didn't know if they would work for a Nissan.
  • ernie144ernie144 Posts: 5
    Have an 04 Quest, and 4-5 times I've started the car on a cold day, and the radio makes no sound. The display works, volume numbers go up/down with the dial, cd will "play", but no sound comes out. Being a computer guy, I "rebooted" the car, and sound comes out. Anybody else had this problem? I haven't seen this issue on the recall list, and I know it's so intermittent that I shouldn't bother taking it to the dealer
  • plashenickplashenick Posts: 164
    This was one of the earliest problems with the 04 with the Clariion Radio. There is a problem with the built-in AMP. The dealer should have had this as a TSB/ Recall. Look in the Quest 2004 blag and you will find it
  • citron1911citron1911 Posts: 1
    hey- just picked up an 04 se, w/out factory dvd. I'd like to add the factory dvd system, did you ever find out if the wiring is there to add it on?
  • cirrusscirruss Posts: 87
    Yes, this was a problem on some of the 04 Quest. I don't know if they ever got a TSB for this, but my dealer just took my word for it and replaced it. By the way, it took us 2 new radios before getting one that worked fine. The fix is to replace the CD player unit itself. The amplifier is inside the CD player.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    I'm pretty sure they will work with your system. I think they are short range and pick up a certain signal transmitted by a DVD. Try e-mailing the seller on EBay before buying the headphones.
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Toyota Prius Tire/Wheel Questions

  • I own a 2011 Prius with 195/65/15 on factory rims.  The tires are bald and I can swap with a 2010 Matrix with 205/55/16 on steel wheels and new tires
    - I will be losing my factory Prius rims so I want to make sure this will work?
  • capriracercapriracer Somewhere in the USPosts: 818
    IF you mean "fit", then yes, they'll fit.

    If you mean "get better wear", then you haven't told us enough information.

    Tire wear is very highly dependent on the tire - and there is a rating on the sidewall that gives you an idea of how well a tire wears. It's called the UTQG rating. Google it and you find out what it means and where to look for it.

    So if you only want to get better tires, changing tire size isn't he way to go. Select tires with a higher UTQG rating - and you can get them in your current size. Just be aware that you will be sacrificing fuel economy to get that better wear.
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    I can't understand the Tire Rack recommendation because my Energy Savers say M + S on the side walls. M + S ratings mean Mud-Snow or All Weather.

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I know there is a thread about taking a PG year...but I have almsot never seen anything (on any lacrosse boards) about the option of a gap year.

I was more of a hockey player in my pre-college days, so I took two years off after high school, before entering college to play Junior hockey. These are two years I would never trade for anything. In my mind, it allowed me to be more mature both physically and mentally for college. In addition, it was probably the most fun I ever had. This is the norm for college hockey, but not something that occurs very often for lacrosse from what I can tell (outside of canadians playing junior box).

The way I see it, here are the pros and cons to a "gap" year:
- Year to mature physically - more prepared to compete with older college players your freshman year, and will be older your senior year as well.
- Year to mature mentally/emotionally - better able to handle the stresses of attending college, better outlook on what you want in life/career/etc. upon entering college rather than a clueless 18 year old
- Essentially makes you a year younger recruiting wise; if you tell a coach you are taking a gap year, he is recruiting you for the year after yours. This is beneficial for players who are maybe late bloomers or didn't start getting seen until later in their HS careers.
- Could potentially open up the possibility of scholarship dollars

- Risk falling out of habit with school work (happend a bit to me, but I got back in to it quickly
- Potentially no place to play organized lacrosse other than training on your own
- Coaches may not be interested in this risk associated with this

This is very likely an incomplete list...I'd love to hear what other people have to weigh in on the topic or if they have any experience with it (either lacrosse related or not). If so, do you think it was beneficial or detrimental to your future self? Could you see other benefits/harms to someone looking to play college lacrosse?


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Discussion in 'MacBook Air' started by Sony123, Feb 27, 2013.

  1. macrumors newbie

    Apr 14, 2012
    Hi :)

    I am going to buy Macbook Air, I want it for school and photoshop lightroom especialy.
    Problem is, that I want windows for some especially aplications for school projects,... Thats mean, I will instal in bootcamp win 7 with about 40gb.

    I deciding between 2011 or 2012 base models. I can save about 150.
    I thinking, that a get rather 2011 model with 256gb.

    What do you thing ? :) Thanks and sorry for my english :)
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    Mar 7, 2007
    With BC Win7 and Lightroom, that space is going to go very quickly.

    I'd recommend an external drive for the Lightroom catalog if you're going to get an Air.
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    thread starter macrumors newbie

    Apr 14, 2012
    Yes i have external disc.

    I dont know what model I may buy.
    2011 base used model its for 750€
    2012 base used model is for 900-1000€
    2012 with 8gb RAM is for 1150€.

    What you think?
  4. macrumors 65816

    Oct 26, 2009
    Down the rabbit hole
    I don't think I'd consider less than 256GB of space if you plan to install a Windoze partition also.
  5. macrumors member

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    get 256gb and max out ram 8GB. 2011 or 2012 model doesnt matter. its a good machine and youll never go wrog with either.

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Discussion in 'PowerPC Macs' started by pfisher, Sep 23, 2010.

  1. macrumors member

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    I have a question regarding having two IDE hard drives installed on a PowerPC G4 tower. I have two Seagate 80 gig drives which I would like to have one as the primary and the other as the secondary drive. What should be the jumpers set to on both drives? Keep in mind, the CD ROM drive is IDE too. Do I set all the drives to Cable Select?

    The other problem is this, the one IDE drive I want to add, I believe is formatted for NTFS. The second drive has documents and files on it. I cannot wipe the second drive or install anything over it.

    With this problem, after I launched Disk Utility, as it is scanning to find HD's, it returns with an error message.

    The goal is to install OS 10.3.9 on this replaced IDE 80 gig drive.

    Any suggestions?
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    Formatting of the drives will make no difference, as Disk Utility will report both physical drives and the volumes on them. Worst case scenario with the NTFS drive is that it won't report any volumes, but the drive should still show up fine.

    These drives are both on the same bus? I set all my drives to CS (Cable Select) and let the firmware map them, OpenFirmware being a lot smarter than your typical PC BIOS. I've never had an issue with that setup, even with mixed devices on the chain (DVD-RW + hard drive, for instance).

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Post Number:#1  Postby Scott » 06 Jan 2010, 22:16

Please use this thread to discuss the January book of the month, The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon. Please read the book before reading this thread because this thread will contain spoilers.

What do you think of the book? Would you recommend it?

I enjoyed reading the book very much. I definitely recommend it.

It is not very long which is a plus for me. The more time I put into reading a book, the more I expect to get out of it.

I think the narration method is very interesting, enjoyable and well-done. I think having the autistic child narrate a story completely changes the tone and potential of the story. In some cases it is humorous, which is particularly comical since the author does not intend to be funny and claims to be incapable of making jokes. Also, I think the book causes the reader to think philosophically about the nature of consciousness and perception. For instance, consider the way Chris realizes and understands certain things as being common sense that most people do not and how most people notice other things like humor or how to take a train that seem complicated to Chris. It makes one realize how subjective so many things actually are.

I wonder how accurate the author's depiction of the high-functioning autistic mind is. I would love to read some comments and reviews of the book by psychologists and other relevant scientists especially those who have specifically studied autism.

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Post Number:#2  Postby Gannon » 08 Jan 2010, 03:14

This is an extremely short book. I actually finished it in one sitting. I did enjoy reading it, however I was a bit disappointed with the ending. I think the whole appeal of the book is that it is narrated by a young boy with autism. It is interesting reading how he approaches and deals with the problems that he faces throughout the book. Some parts of the book, particularly when he is working his way through a problem have the feel of a text book. The ending was not as bad as it was boring. It was a nice happy ending for everybody, however I think (and I will probably cop flak from my fellow readers here) a tragic ending would have suited the book much better.

I did enjoy the book and would recommend it simply because the autistic aspect of the book makes it a very interesting read.
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Post Number:#3  Postby N » 09 Jan 2010, 22:38

I agree with Gannon. It's great cause of the POV, but a tragic ending would have been a lot better. I was totally expecting one.

Interesting storyline. Who would have the father killed the dog?! And the mom was still alive! Didn't see those coming. Really cool book.
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Post Number:#4  Postby Pinkpaper » 10 Jan 2010, 07:27

This is my review which I ended up giving it 3/5. I also didnt see his mum still being alive or his dad killing the dog coming.

Abit of a page turner this one, the plot is not so much about the dead dog but the challenges Christopher has to face as a result of the following events. Challenges such as being in new public places and talking to people he doesnt know.

My brother has Aspergers and I often tell people that its like living in a alternative reality for him and I think this book showed this well.

There were also other points in the book which showed how well the author had gotten into the head of someone with Aspergers which other people may not pick up unless they knew someone with the condition for example when Christopher talks to his neighbour about his rat. The author was also not patronising.

An enjoyable read
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Post Number:#5  Postby jdoug » 15 Jan 2010, 12:29

I read this book last year and completely loved it.
You get completely wrapped up in the narrator's autism.
I found the father character for the most part unlikeable for what he has done regarding the dog and his ex-wife.

I recommend reading Born on a blue day by Daniel Tammet as a follow up.
It's a non fiction book where the author takes you into the world of his own autism and provides a lot insight into having the disease.
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Post Number:#6  Postby Moe » 19 Jan 2010, 16:49

I read this book so long ago I don't remember anything other than I liked it. I read another book that is similar but I think it was a much better book. It is called H by Elizabeth Shepard. The entire book is written in letters, from the main character, his mother, his psychiatrist and a camp counselor. It is a very short book and it is absolutely compelling. You can't put it down.

Here's the blurb:

H is for Elliot. Elliot is twelve-year-old Benjamin Sherman's best friend. To the counselors at the camp where he is spending his first summer, Benjamin is a "freaky kid" who shuns his peers and is strangely - and perhaps dangerously - attached to Elliot, his stuffed letter H. To his mother, Benjamin is an object of anxiety and pity. To his father, he's bizarre and embarrassing. To his psychiatrist, he is a case study in mental illness. This audacious and utterly unsentimental novel gives us a moving and sometimes shocking intimacy with a child whose disorder may be a kind of fragile genius. H is compelling, disturbing, and truthful in a single breath.
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Post Number:#7  Postby GwastenMica » 24 Jan 2010, 02:13

I read this book over the course of a day because I didn't want to put it down! I enjoyed feeling attached to this young man whose thought patterns were so different than mine. I did skim over much of his math descriptions. On the other hand I enjoyed his diagrams.

I thought it interesting that jdoug was unsympathetic to the father, when I felt the opposite. My heart bled for this man who had devoted his life to his son and was so totally shut out for a "lie." Granted, the killing of the dog was reason for Christopher to be afraid, but it wasn't what upset him, can I use the word emotionally? But, Father knew he had blown it when he told the original lie about the mother and then didn't know how to turn it around.

I must say I worked in the office of a pediatric neurologist who studied autism 20 years ago. Reading this book, I was amazed by the progress that has been made into understanding and meeting the needs of those afflicted.

Thanks for the suggestions on further reads along this line. I may look into those.

I recommended my daughter look into this book for her independent reading project for this semester in English. It would give her a great deal of fodder for project work!
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Post Number:#8  Postby foreverjuly » 28 Jan 2010, 23:18

I think people in this thread have made some great points about the narration, writing style, and the boy's character, which is really easy to relate to and understand even though his thought-process might seem so different.

My favorite aspect of this book was the morality that he employed throughout the book. Lies are terrible, horrible things that he can't understand, and even fiction is a lie because it's all made up, but then he delivers a white lie to the police officer in the station and is somehow ok with that. It makes for a very fine line that I found fascinating.

Does anyone else have any quirks that might be similar to his abhorrence for 4 cars of a certain color in a row or having his food touch?
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Post Number:#9  Postby sms84 » 31 Jan 2010, 15:24

I just finished this book a couple of days ago, and I overall I was very pleased.

Haddon's choice to write in the first person narrative of Chris was really intriguing. The disconnect it created- between Chris' mind and the events happening before him- was a large part of what made the read so interesting for me. I was very pleased that Haddon avoided making Chris a victim in any way. Certainly, he faces challenges, but never did I feel like the book was intentionally trying to evoke pity.

I agree with what some other people have said- I feel like a more definite conclusion could only have helped the book. The letter finding was a definite attention holder, and punctuating that with a stronger dose of reality could have really developed Chris even more as a character.

As it stands, I feel the characters of Mr. & Mrs. Shears could have been fleshed out more. I felt like we got more of a third person description of the latter than we actually heard or saw her. Actually, a lot of the supporting characters kind of suffered at the expense of the narrator. I felt that the mother acclimated entirely too quickly to having her child re-enter her life, and I think Mr. Shears came off really one note (if he felt a connection to and loved Chris' mother, why did he berate her constantly about her child?). The most formed secondary person is Chris' father, but even some of his action feels forced.

Overall I was satisfied, however. I'd give it a B.
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Post Number:#10  Postby Bookgeek » 11 Feb 2010, 12:54

I was diagnosed in 2005 with schitzo affective disorder, which is of course different than autism, but both share a common denominator in that they are cases of mental illness. Needless to say, I was eager to see how the author would handle this topic. It was a challenge that I felt he handled especially well.

For instance, Chris's tying in mood with certain colors (yellow, red and brown) was realistic. Before I got on medication to help clear up my thinking, I had similar delusions with colors. To me, this aspect of Chris's character lent a sense of credibility to the work. Also, speaking solely for myself, I know that I am comparable to Chris in that I can go off on tangents that make little or no sense to anyone else, using a sort of jaded logic that often fails to take the bigger picture into consideration. And lastly, the author did a great job in showing Chris's anxieties without making a mockery of him, humanizing Chris in such a way that I believe most would empathize with him.

I do, however, tend to agree with some of the other posters in regards to the ending. A tragedy, I believe, would have done something more for the piece. I think that was the book's biggest fault. Had it a sad ending with a touch of irony, I would give it an A. As it is, I give it a B+. The plot was well construed, and I NEVER would have guessed that it was Chris's father who had killed Wellington. I was a bit worried that the novel might read in an episodic nature in a few places, taking the reader down unnecessary rabbit trails, but you sort of had to expect a bit of that with an autistic first person narration. All in all, a very enjoyable read and I would highly recommend it to anyone!
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Post Number:#11  Postby BrittLovesBooks » 16 Feb 2010, 00:27

I am new to the forum, but this book, in my opinion, was great! I am a book seller and only got half way through the book before someone bought it from me :( I totally forgot the name and then came across this forum. Just ordered it on amazon :)

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Post Number:#12  Postby cheerio » 21 Feb 2010, 20:53

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Post Number:#13  Postby morebooks4me » 23 Apr 2010, 14:19

I also agree that the ending was pretty boring. But I really loved the rest of the book.

I loved his perspectives on the train and I was so happy when he escaped the police officer. I was terrified when he was on the train tracks. I thought for sure he would be hit.

I also am curious what an experts opinion would be on whether or not this is an accurate depiction of how an autistic mind works. Sometimes the mathmatical equations and diagrams were a bit tedious and I started skipping them at the end. But I think they were somewhat necessary to get the point across.
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Post Number:#14  Postby SueB » 25 Apr 2010, 13:06

As a mother of a child with Autism and it being Aspergers as the charachter is in the book I thought it was very well written and I found myself seeing my son in a lot of things.
The plot and the way it was told was very typically autistic........I loved this book.

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Post Number:#15  Postby yannibookworm » 09 Jun 2010, 12:52

My cousin introduced me to this book but never had the chance to start it.
With all your comments, I will start this book the soonest.

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