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I'm looking for information about my Third Great Grandfather. His name was John McKillop and he was born in Ireland in the 1830's. He died in Dalry, Scotland in 1888. A Daniel McKillop was Godfather to John's oldest son William. I'm not sure how Daniel is related. On Daniel's daughter's birth record, it shows that Daniel married his wife Matilda Blair in Larne in May 1852. My family was Catholic. John married an Elizabeth Jane Blair and his parents where James McKillop and Mary Mickluteen (not sure of spelling).

So where is the best place to look for information in Larne from the 1830-1850? Any information would help.

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Verlin Albrecht Bio - page 219-220

The Albrecht family moved around Europe before immigrating to the United States. Andrew Albrecht, born in Switzerland in 1847, came to Cavalier County, ND with his second wife, Frances Kaufman, born in Holland.

Andrew farmed at Marion, South Dakota, where their eldest son, Johann, remained.

Andrew owned several farms in the Alsen area. He would buy land with enough money to make the down payment until he was land poor. One of the farms was Albert Albrecht's and another is presently Lloyd Albrecht's. When Andrew died he left a quarter of land for each of his children. He donated land and money to build the Salem Mennonite Church at Alsen.

The had 11 children: Katie, born 1874; her quarter of land is presently the Verlin Albrecht farm.

Anna, born 1876, married Peter Senner fra the Starkweather area.

Frances, born 1878, married Peter Kliewer.

Peter, born 1880, married Regina Senner.

Maria, born 1882 and died in 1908. Henry, born in 1884. Joseph, born in 1886 and married Eva Spenst of Alsen, ND.

Albert, born 1889, married Mary Bimson.

Carolina (Carrie), born 1891 married Frank Hiebert. They lived in Alsen for many years and then moved to Walhalla, ND.

Jacob, born 1895, married Amelia (Molly) Rund.

Joe had a threshing crew and also played in a band at the local dances. It was at one of these dances that he met Eva, Jacob and Anna Spenst's oldest daughter.

Eva was born in 1900 and grew up in the area. She and Joe were married in 1925. They adopted two of Eva's sister's children: Charles, born Sept 11, 1923 and Jeanne, born Jan 11, 1926.

Their own boys are Verlin Milton Albrecht, born May 30, 1927; Harvey, born July 30, 1928; Robert Clinton, born Oct 26, 1931; Loren Edison, born April 23, 1935. They attended Moscow Township and Langdon schools.

Loren married Jane Stephen and had two boys. Loren worked in Kansas and Missouri and later came back to North Dakota. He was killed in a car accident in 1968.

Robert married Marion Herbel and they have eight children and live in the Alsen community.

Harvey married Caroline Begley, has four children and lives in Bismarck. Jeanne has four girls and lives in Kansas. Charles and his wife Dee settled in jackson, MN with their children. Joe farmed until he died in 1951. Eva and the boys continued to farm.

Eva remarried in 1964 to David Heinrichs of Crystal City, Manitoba and died March 12, 1981.

Verlin served in the Air Force fra 1942 to 1956 and he set a record for fixing brakes on an aircraft in record time. October 16, 1957 he married Altie Kays, born Jluy 12, 1937 to Edwin and Helen Kays at Sarles. Altie attended Glenila and Calvin schools.

They have five children: Kevin, born 1958, graduated fra Langdon HS in 1976 and attended SSS for two years. He married Ruth Squires 1980 in Minot and they live in Cheyenne, WY.

Jacqueline, born 1959 graduated fra Langdon HS and is owner of Needle Discoveries. She also raises Beefalo cattle.

Keith, born 1960, graduated fra Langdon HS in 1978. He married Linda Sturlaugson in 1984.

Jesse, born 1965 graduated fra Langdon HS in 1984.

Verlin and Altie have farmed on Joe and Eva's farm since they were married. They are Amway distributers and raise Beefalo cattle. --recorded 6/85

**Note: I am not related to the above persons.
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My husband is a DAKE; his mother, Hilda L. Dake told him that about 5 generations back, in the Dake family there was a Fanny SLY, who was Cherokee. Might be a connection. Have you contacted Maurice DAKE, the official Dake/Deake family genealogist at dakehomedot com. It is free and a wealth of his and other's information. His research is extensive and might be able to help.
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  • The hidden costs of Christmas shopping on the high street reveals petrol, car parking and impulse buys add a whopping £505.54 to the festive budget
  • 68 per cent of British mums are worried about the cost of Christmas this year
  • The average Christmas present budget is to be cut by £45.76 - 8 per cent reduction on 2011
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Gifts, twinkly trees, turkeys and a few tipples: there are some costs that mums expect when Christmas comes. However, it would seem that they're just the tip of the iceberg, as new research from leading online retailer[1] reveals millions of mums will rack up an additional £505.54[2] of hidden costs during their high street Christmas shopping sprees.

From filling-up the petrol tank to paying for car parking tickets, grabbing lunch and a trip to Santa's Grotto, Britain's mums are spending an average of £72.22 per shopping trip in hidden costs during the festive period. And with the majority of mums shopping 7 times during the joyous season, the cost of Christmas is getting very expensive indeed, before a present has even been bought.

The hidden costs of Christmas present shopping this season:
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TOTAL: £505.54

Gary Kibble, Brand Director at said "With pennies stretched this year, it's more important than ever for mums to keep track of where their hard-earned cash is being spent.  Additional extras can soon mount up without putting further strain on the gifting budget and with 32 days to go, the pressures of Christmas for the nation's mums is starting to be felt."

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The economic hardship, stretches in income and job risks have forced Brits to re-consider their spending patterns more than ever before - a major reason why over two thirds of the nation's mums (68 per cent) are worried about the expense of Christmas indulgence and are cutting back on Christmas present spending this year.

Infact, the research revealed how, on average, belts are expected to tighten by £45.76 - down from £592.74 (2011)[4] to £546.98 (predicted spend 2012).

With cutbacks planned, there's no surprise that 77 per cent of mums feel great pressure to get Christmas festivities right and ensure they're economising in the right areas.

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When quizzing Britain's mothers about who in the family would be the first to be left off the present list if push came to shove, it was surprising to see it's actually their partners (19 per cent) who'd be struck off in the first instance, behind uncles and aunties (12 per cent), their sisters (11 per cent) and cousins (10 per cent).

Interestingly, 96 per cent of mums said they wouldn't dream of leaving their in-laws off the list for fear of the arguments that could arise between them and their partners and the way they might be perceived as a result.

The same can be said for the kids. Despite reducing their overall Christmas present budget, the amount they spend on the kids is not expected to take the same drop. The research revealed that the average mother will spend £202.93 on the kids this year, only £1.54 short of what they said back in 2011 (£204.47) and £1.71 short on 2010 (£204.64).[5]

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True to a mother's nature of putting their family first, 98 per cent of the 2,000 mums surveyed by said they would be going without treats, new party clothes and beauty treatments this Christmas to ensure that everyone else received what they wanted.

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Gary Kibble, Brand Director at commented on the research findings, "The research has shown us that despite it being a financially difficult time, Mums are doing what they can to make sure their families have the best Christmas possible. At we want to help our customers make Christmas as magical as possible with the ease and convenience of shopping from home and avoidance of hidden extras."

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[1] Research carried out on behalf of by One Poll; November 2012.

[2] The average mum will spend £72.22 in hidden costs per shopping trip and expects to go shopping 7 times during the festive period. Therefore, calculations would indicate that each UK mum will spend on average £505.54 in hidden costs.

[3] Christmas donations refer to donations to charities, carol singers, festive performers and homeless people during the festive period.

[4] The same survey was run during the same timeframe in November 2011, where 2,000 British mums surveyed. The average cost that British mums expected to spend on their Christmas presents was £592.74.

[5] A similar survey was run during the same timeframe in November 2010, where 2,000 British mums surveyed. The average cost that British mums expected to spend on their children at Christmas in 2010 was £204.64.

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Extreme training in off-season football is not a rarity. In January 2011 thirteen University of Iowa football players were hospitalized with rhabdomyolysis from an off-season workout. In August 2001 Minnesota Viking Korey Stringer passed away from exertional heat stroke during training camp. And back in 1954 Coach “Bear” Bryant created the now legendary “Junction Boys” by putting them through a brutal ten-day preseason training. While traumatic injury and/or death may be part of the game in football, many believe the off-season training serves no purpose in increasing performance and is risking the lives of athletes.

texas a&m, texas aggies, bear bryant, junction boysBack in 1954 Texas A&M University brought on Paul “Bear” Bryant as the coach to replace Ray George. It would be the first of thirty-eight seasons Bryant spent with the Aggies. In order to whip his new team into shape he sent them off to Junction, Texas for a ten-day camp. Texas was in the middle of a six-year drought and on every day of the camp temperatures exceeded one hundred degrees. Practices ran in excess of twelve hours each day with no water break. While no one is quite sure how many men showed up for the camp, best guesses are it was just under a hundred. Somewhere between twenty-seven to thirty-five came out the other end – many quitting or leaving due to exhaustion. The men who completed the camp became known as “survivors” and where thereafter referred to as the “Junction Boys.”

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The Junction Boys syndrome’s true trait is intensity - too much, too fast, too long, and often-but-not-always too soon in a workout regimen - and is the thread that ties all known recent non-traumatic deaths in NCAA football.1

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I Disagree with Jeff Passan

I do not know if Ryan Braun took PEDs. The positive test indicated yes, but his victorious appeal said no. His name is in the books of Tony Bosch, but there's a plausible explanation for why it's there. I'm aware my skepticism of guilt puts me in the minority and I know that believing Braun juiced is a reasonable position. However, some of the arguments levied against Braun reveal a line of thinking that is just plain wrong. Jeff Passan dispenses these arguments like candy:

“I have nothing to hide,” he likes to say. This is funny. For somebody with nothing to hide, Ryan Braun is a fireproof safe inside of an armed vault behind a Scooby-Doo pull-a-book secret door. All he does is hide. When MLB asked him questions about his positive testosterone test more than a year and a half ago, he wouldn’t answer them, and now he’s all Mr. Fifth Amendment again as the league investigates players’ links to Tony Bosch, the alleged PED pied piper of the Biogenesis clinic near Miami.

What's troubling about Passan's article is it places the burden of proof on Braun when it rightfully belongs to MLB. Even worse is referencing constitutional rights as if they're a bad thing. I agree it ostensibly looks bad to say "I have nothing to hide" and subsequently refusing to answer questions, but that's also making a connection where none exists. Furthermore, saying you have nothing to hide does not mean you have something you're obligated to disclose.

Imagine you're pulled over by a police officer for going 42 in a 35 zone. The officer gets settled by your window and says "I suspect you have drugs in your trunk." Shocked the officer would draw this conclusion, you proclaim "My trunk is empty, I'm not hiding anything back there." The officer remains skeptical and responds "If that's so, why don't you pop it open and let me have a look?" Realizing you live in America, you refuse this unreasonable demand. In this scenario, you've told the officer you have nothing to hide, yet you did not allow him search your trunk. Are you wrong to refuse? Jeff Passan says yes, because if you say you have nothing to hide you're obligated to prove that's true, otherwise you're certainly hiding something.

Outside of the dangerous logic present in Passan's article, being an enthusiastic participant in the investigation is not in Braun's best interest. We know that players have used PEDs in the past and many are probably using them right now. If Braun holds a press conference where he opens his fireproof safe to the world it sets an unfavorable precedent for players that subsequently find themselves in a similar position. Perhaps this is baseless conjecture, but I believe that would make him a pariah. If he cooperates to Passan's liking, future players that don't do the same will be unfairly presumed guilty(er). And let's be real, nothing he says or does will convince the skeptics otherwise. At best he has absolutely nothing to gain.

Intelligent and reasonable people believe Braun cheated. This is a-okay with me. What's not is admonishing Braun for properly handling the situation. Not speaking to people who wish him harm is self preservation 101, not evidence of guilt.. He's allowed to say he has nothing to hide or say nothing at all, and doing (or not doing) so should not raise suspicion. As Stan Marsh once said "Oh, I'm sorry, I thought this was America!"

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I’d like to take a moment to thank whoever it was who decided that Boolean should not implement Comparable in JDK 1.4. It must have been tough avoiding the temptation to add the five lines to the JDK, especially since Byte, Character, Short, Long, Float, Double, and String all have a compareTo() method.

Not only does this masterstroke assist the relentless fight against JDK bloat, it also causes some particularly bizzare ClassCastExceptions, enhancing my reputation amongst those that treat Java programmers like animist witch doctors, and assuring my continued employment.

So, thankyou. Thankyou so much.

(Sadly, this feature has been removed in JDK 1.5. As a workaround, I suggest throwing ClassCastExceptions from a java.util.TimerTask.)

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The cost of war in Iraq so far:

I have to wonder if the US government could have justified running such a deficit to support on a less deadly solution to the danger of WMDs, introducing democracy to the Middle East, removing a dictator, or securing an oil supply. I don't think they could have.

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1968 Intermeccanica Italia

This 1968 Intermeccanica Italia had an engine fire and was apparently stored for many years. It was purchased in New York according to the dealer badge. Find it here on eBay in Scottsdale, Arizona. Special thanks to BaT reader Rick C. for this submission!

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Feb 8 at 2:47 PM
Bruce waller

Looking for handbrake. Window roll up mechanism etc for a Griffith 600 or italia

11/24/10 at 11:35 PM

This car sold for $13k.

11/4/10 at 1:09 PM
Al Santoro

As an aside, a very nicely resotred, though not original convertible sold a in August at RM in Montery for $140,000 plus buyer premium. Maybe the buyer knows what he is doing after all.

11/4/10 at 1:07 PM
Al Santoro

I have a partially restored 1971 Italia. I have wanted one since I was 15 and finally found it about 5 yeras ago. If anyone needs parts,I have some ; including 5 – 14 x 7.5 Cromodora Wheels used on 1971 and later models,Repro. 14″ Mag 500 with Pireeli Tires, Front & rear girling disks & calipers, radiator and others.

10/9/10 at 9:21 PM

Early Alfa Sprint GT bumpers were one piece and chromed. I think the three piece stainless bumpers came in with the GT Veloce or 1750GTV. The date of this car would be about the time Alfa switched styles.

10/9/10 at 6:43 PM

Not a pleasant-to-drive car (drove one 25 years ago, my diesel Chevette company car was more enjoyable), but striking. Nevertheless, great project if you like rare cars and enjoy the equivalent of burning gunnysacks full of of $100 bills.

Watch for rust and fire-weakened metal, most parts (including the windshield) are available at cost from Italia Reproductions, italiareproductions.com, and a pretty good collection of info can be found on intermeccanica.org.

10/9/10 at 6:26 PM
Billy de Hulst

@ Bob Bevis.

She said merci, but she had already called the auto club.

10/9/10 at 6:25 PM

Interesting comments. According to Paula Reisner (wife of the builder) there were only about a half dozen griffith 600’s built before the Omega project began. Most people that own these cars (Griffith, Torino, Italia or Omega), love them. The only problem is parts are very hard to find. If anyone has parts for one of these, please email me. I need them. Thanks.

10/9/10 at 1:07 PM
Ron Patterson

I have a ’69 Roadster under long term restoration. If anyone buys this car I have tons of information including most of the old Italia Club newsletters. Historically, the only part that was unobtanium was the windshield. That may now be available.

10/9/10 at 7:15 AM

from the primer job and bangs in the front, I wonder if it was just an engine fire, or, if it was a front-end bang-up (perhaps causing the fire?). could it be that this has a front-end pieced in from another car? seems unlikely as these are so rare but maybe…

really in comparison to some other rusty piles of cr@p that folks drool over around here as project candidates, this is imminently restorable IMO. because of the bitza engineering you’re likely to be able to source all the mechanical bits, and nothing I’ve seen ref’d above sounds expensive – not like a Lambo or Maser or Ferrari motor with hugely complicated and obscenely expensive engines where a single valve shim is going to cost you $1000 or something. tranny is still in it by the way. first challenge would be working out a definitive parts sourcing and interchangeability map, although I expect there’s books that can help there. the real challenge as always with these things would be the bespoke trim parts like trim, interior and logos etc. that can’t be stolen or refitted from Fiats and Fords.

that said you’re not going to find me buying this for over $10k.

10/9/10 at 12:31 AM

Yes,yes and then what?

10/8/10 at 7:08 PM
Don Kraycik

An extension of the (Jack) Griffith 600 series cars. Jack imported TVR cars and installed Ford V8 power trains. After a dock strike, in 1965 or 1966, stalled the importation of TVR cars, he turned to the Italians. Originals cars, with the 273 Chrysler engine, did not handle like sports cars, according to the car magazines, such as Car & Driver and Road & Track. There was much too much understeer. Rare? Yes. Desireable? Not so much.

10/8/10 at 7:03 PM

The dollar is so weak, the west coast largely bankrupt with a realistic +20% unemployment in CA, save your cash for the much better things about to flood the market, but get them before the massively depart for EU and the growing Russian market. This one is a waste of time.

10/8/10 at 3:14 PM
Jim Rosenthal

A friend’s shop in Laurel, MD, spent years “restoring” an Italia. They ended up essentially redesigning and updating the entire car, including new front and rear suspension, moving the engine back several inches, and other modifications “too numerous to count”. The final result was a good-handling and lovely car. It was certainly worth at least 20-30 % of the final bill, which was decidedly into six figures. That does not count the initial cost of acquisition. Essentially it was the answer to question no one had asked- and an answer no one was especially interested in hearing, either. The world’s best Italia, it seems, is still far inferior to the less-than-world’s-best anything else in comparable cars.

10/8/10 at 2:54 PM
Bruce Geiger

a total emotional buy – I got the buick rims too (holy Riviera!) So you are retired… had all of your shots… What are you going to pick for a restoration project. One thing is for sure – not gonna see another one at a stoplight.

10/8/10 at 2:36 PM

I don’t see how it could handle any worse than the ’70 Corvette I just sold. Since it has American running gear that would be the cheapest portion of the project.
The rest is “just” restoration. Yes, I find them to be be very attractive.

10/8/10 at 1:32 PM

love the college sticker on the back window (owner’s kid who emptied the resto pocketbooks, creating the state it’s in? one-time owner who got WAY over his head? just fun what-ifs).

proportions kinda remind me of a 1st gen viper.

10/8/10 at 1:28 PM

Would a 460 fit in one of these? Is it the same subframe as a Mustang? That would be something to scare the neighbors with.

10/8/10 at 11:49 AM
cruz dude

Boy, it’s a relief that it includes the original factory watering can and Tonka forklift! Those are a bear to find when they are missing…

10/8/10 at 11:47 AM

@abc, kind of reminds me of a Fiberfab Jamaica.

10/8/10 at 11:23 AM

I had 3 of these and wish I kept one. Agree with junkinthetrunk on most items. I think there were over 250 different suppliers for the cars! Sold my last one years ago at Barrett Jackson for about 50K.

10/8/10 at 10:56 AM

@Billy de Hulst – +1 on abc’s link comments
And thanks for the reverie…now back to work

10/8/10 at 10:55 AM

Haven’t seen one of these in a while! Judging from the cardboard and other debris outside of the garage, it looks like the owner took some time to clear off the junk that was probably stored on the car.

Is that some sort of ultra-rare Tonka Hyster forklift in the passenger’s side foot well?

10/8/10 at 10:49 AM

interesting story regarding these. At the 1968 Bridgehampton Can-Am, Stirling Moss showed up in one of these. As it was pretty unique back then, he was surrounded by people who wanted to know more about the car. He declared it one of the best handling road cars he ever driven. Later , more objective reports contradicted this claim so who knows what the motivation was.

At that time there was a dealer in Queens whom I visited and the price on these new at the time was about 5k if I remember correctly.

10/8/10 at 10:17 AM
Billy de Hulst

The gold with black top as shown on abc’s link is really fabulous. Yellow with black would be my colour.

I am happily tooling out of Monaco after dropping a hundred grand or so at Monte Carlo. Heading to an intimate little party in Nice. All the while being soothed by a shot of Mozart and the throb of the quad cam Ford that powers my Torino.

Ahead, a powder blue Maserati Quatroporte, angled at the side of the road, left rear tire shredded, its tall, beautifully female driver stands staring at the ugly bits of rubber. I pull over and stop………………………………………….

10/8/10 at 9:53 AM

The rear bumper is similar to an Alfa GTV but is completely different. The Alfas had a three-piece rear bumper and this one is obviously a single piece.

As far as being a mixed bag of parts, most Italian automakers bought from the same suppliers and you can find the same parts throughout the Italian market. Early Fiat 850 Spiders and the Lamborghini Miura share the same headlights and my GTV shares tail lights with the Iso Grifo. It can be challenging to restore a Fiat or Alfa when you have to compete with the big-budget Ferrari and Lambo restorations for parts.

10/8/10 at 9:42 AM

That’s 411 , not 41 .

10/8/10 at 9:40 AM

Like anycar , it you address the weaker spots (like here , a few suspension tweeks) they are fine.

That the motor is gone is no large concern , as 1968 is the weakest year in the drivetrain dept. with a J-code Ford 302 4V.

Previously , the first year 1966 , this body was called the Griffith GT (14 produced) . They uses a Chrysler 273 4V ‘Commando’ motor (one Chrylser 383 prototype was built).

Then in 1967 , the name was changed to Omega (and US importer was changed) – 3o something built . This version , although as with all years, the cars themselves were built/assembled in Italy. A deal (or they were contracted) was made with Holman-Moody of North Carolina. Some cars were fully assembled with motors in Italy. And some cars were sent to H-M , without motors to have them installed there. In both locations cars were built with both 289Hipo (271hp) motors & 289 4v “Challenger” (225hp) motors.

In late 1967 , the name was again changed to Torino , ( and all cars were fully built in Italy . H-M was no longer involved). As noted above the Ford 1968 model year 302 4V was used . At somepoint early with this incarnation, the name was again changed to “Italia”.

(1967 Omega – Torino: 97 built)

When the supply of 302’s ran out , Intermecannica (the manufacturer of all versions) used an available mid sized V-8 (always a 4V version) of the Ford motor family from the year they were being purchased:

1969 – 351 Windsor 4V
1970 -351 windsor 4V
early 1971 – 351 windsor 4V
very late 1971 thru 1973 – 351 Cleveland 4V (not alot of cars produced in comparision to the earlier motored versions).

2 – Ford 428 cars powered Italia’s were built (one positively for a new version called the “IMX , only one prototype of these was built. I believe one other standard Italia might have been built for a private customer.

Open cars (“spyder” , were only produced from 1968 on.

4i1 – Italia’s were produced between 1968 & 1973 in both coupe and spyder versions.

10/8/10 at 9:30 AM

Very funny, BAT. Passing off one of your Whatisit? features as an actual car for sale.

10/8/10 at 9:17 AM

Check out the inboard drum brakes and dry sump in the engine compartment!

10/8/10 at 9:05 AM

These are gorgeous when done up, kind of a poorish man’s Miura.

10/8/10 at 8:49 AM
Rick campbell

I live in Mesa Az. very close to this car if any one would like me to take a closer look. Provided the owner is amiable. Go through bat for my email.

10/8/10 at 8:43 AM
Ron Patterson

Front radiator to rear axle is Ford Mustang. Ford rims. Earlier ones came with 289/302 – later with 351. One of the most beautiful Italian cars ever made in my prejudiced opinion. Highly raked windshield – rapier feminine front end. Big bad strong rear end. Light and fast but with antiquated suspension. Girling discs all around. Mercedes window switches, fiat suspension, Alfa visors, etc. etc. Ask me how I know. :-(

10/8/10 at 7:13 AM

Just noticed the Torino script in the nose, or rather what’s left of it. That would indicate this is a very early car, since Ford quickly enforced their trademark. Supposedly these were similar to Griffith but with Ford running gear.

10/8/10 at 7:09 AM

I thought these used Chevrolet powertrains… I’ve seen a few roadsters and one I believe sold for nearly $75k a few years back but it was in concours condition (red with black and tan “Daytona” style seats that probably cost as much as this project to make).

Some of these had Borrani wire wheels but these wheels do look like the correct alloys if my memory is correct. The wires looked great on the roadster, though, and really gave the car a more exotic look.

There is a lot of work ahead and, given the current price at over $10k with reserve not met, not sure it’s worth it. At least mechanical bits are cheap, but the body looks rough and having a New York history doesn’t bode well for rust. That said, it’s an interesting and rare car and I hope somebody has more lust than logic and saves her.

10/8/10 at 7:08 AM

@Bob, Opel and their affiliates provided a lot of parts for the Intermeccanicas.

I wonder if a small block LT1 would fit in there like the Indras used?

10/8/10 at 7:08 AM

Anyone with knowledge of the marque?

Pretty poor description on the ebay listing. If I ever sell a car on ebay, I’ll make sure to strew detritus about the car. I think a toilet plunger or ammo clip in the footwell would be interesting.

No mention of a motor. When the fire occured, did they try to put it out by pummeling the car with various objects? Not to many smooth spots on that car.

10/8/10 at 7:01 AM

To me, this resembles a high school auto shop project that went bad.

10/8/10 at 6:57 AM

Not for that faint of heart or pocketbook,thats for sure.

10/8/10 at 6:54 AM
Christian Swanson

That’s a lot of work when you consider what you would end up with. And yet… somebody’s bidding.

10/8/10 at 6:36 AM

Interesting car. Interesting mix of styling themes as well. It almost looks like a C3 Corvette from some angles.

10/8/10 at 6:28 AM

Yikes thats alot of cash for that thing. I feel sorry for the high bidder

10/8/10 at 6:25 AM

I’m brave enough to take this on, but fortunately poor enough to keep me from doing so. I actually like the parts bin engineering. Much like many of my favorite Brit cars. I also like that the speedo doesn’t even register below 20 mph.

10/8/10 at 6:18 AM

I had one of these coupes back in the late 80s to mid-ninties. It looked just like this one, except it was called the Intermeccanica Omega. Had a Ford 302 and AT. Nice car, but the roofline is a little awkward. The roadsters look better.

10/8/10 at 5:24 AM

mechanic friend had one he restored and sorted.awesome Cobra like power,so-so-handling and killer looks.Black it was in E-type Jag league as a magnet.Ford 351,top-loader,4.10s were very strong combo.

10/8/10 at 3:28 AM

And possibly a Lancia Fulvia coupe rear screen ?

10/8/10 at 3:13 AM

Wow, that is a lot of work. Are those Buick rims?

10/8/10 at 1:18 AM

Italian bitza (this and bitza that) with dubious front suspension geometry and even more dubious build quality. A CA dealer friend of mine had one pass through his showroom back in the 80’s and he said that at speed it scared him more than a big block ‘Vette with shot suspension.

California Classics sold a very clean and original one in late ’07 for $37k so it’s gonna be a brave man or a fool that buys this one to restore!

10/8/10 at 12:41 AM
john fongers

Always believed these were made as roadsters only.
Do I want one – no, too much of a driving parts bin, rear bumper looks like Alfa GTV, tail lights from an R8 Renault and front indicators from an Innocenti Mini.
Needs an American Ford V8 if I remember correctly.
The rear reminds me strongly of an Alfa GTV
Wheels Ford Mustang anyone?


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Christian foster parents case.
09-03-2011, 12:56 AM,
Christian foster parents case.
I read this article last week, and wondered if anyone has any thoughts.

A Christian couple opposed to homosexuality have lost a battle over their right to become foster carers.

Eunice and Owen Johns, 62 and 65, from Derby, said the city council did not want them to look after children because of their traditional views.

The pair, who are Pentecostal Christians, say they were "doomed not to be approved".

The High Court ruled that laws protecting people from sexual discrimination should take precedence.

The Pentecostal Christian couple had applied to Derby City Council to be respite carers.

They withdrew their application after a social worker expressed concerns when they said they could not tell a child a homosexual lifestyle was acceptable.

At the High Court, they asked judges to rule that their faith should not be a bar to them becoming carers, and the law should protect their Christian values.
Moral opinions

But Lord Justice Munby and Mr Justice Beatson ruled that laws protecting people from discrimination because of their sexual orientation "should take precedence" over the right not to be discriminated against on religious grounds.

They said that if children were placed with carers who objected to homosexuality and same-sex relationships, "there may well be a conflict with the local authority's duty to 'safeguard and promote the welfare' of looked-after children".

The case is likely to be seen as a landmark decision, as senior judges ruled so decisively against any idea that attitudes might be justified purely because they were Christian in origin.

The court discriminated between kinds of Christianity, saying that Christians in general might well make good foster parents, while people with traditionalist Christian views like Mr and Mrs Johns might well not.

Such views, said the judges, might conflict with the welfare of children.

Significantly, the court said that while there was a right not to face discrimination on the basis on either religion or sexual orientation, equality of sexual orientation took precedence.

This was the most decisive ruling against the idea of Christian values underpinning English law since judges ruled last year that to protect views simply because they were religious would be irrational, divisive and arbitrary.

Today the message was that courts would interpret the law in cases like the Johns' according to secular and not religious values.

They rejected suggestions that the case involved "a threat to religious liberty", adding: "No one is asserting that Christians - or, for that matter, Jews or Muslims - are not fit and proper persons to foster or adopt. No-one is contending for a blanket ban."

Speaking outside the court in London, Mrs Johns said: "All we wanted was to offer a loving home to a child in need. We have a good track record as foster parents.

"We have been excluded because we have moral opinions based on our faith and we feel sidelined because we are Christians with normal, mainstream, Christian views on sexual ethics.

"We are prepared to love and accept any child. All we were not willing to do was to tell a small child that the practice of homosexuality was a good thing."

The couple, who cared for about 15 children in the 1990s, have called for a public inquiry into the matter.

Derby City Council has welcomed the court's ruling.

A spokesman said the authority "valued diversity and promoted equality" and "encouraged and supported children in a non judgmental way, regardless of their sexual orientation or preference".

He added: "The court confirmed that the local authority is properly entitled to consider a prospective foster carer's views on sexuality when considering their application to become a foster parent and in fact, failure to do so would potentially leave it in breach of its own guidance as well as the National Minimum Standards."

Ben Summerskill, chief executive of Stonewall, the [censored], gay and bisexual charity, said: "Thankfully, Mr and Mrs Johns' out-dated views aren't just out of step with the majority of people in modern Britain, but those of many Christians too.

"If you wish to be involved in the delivery of a public service, you should be prepared to provide it fairly to anyone."

But the Christian Legal Centre reacted to the ruling with dismay and warned that "fostering by Christians is now in doubt".

The organisation said the judgment "sends out the clear message that orthodox Christian ethical beliefs are potentially harmful to children and that Christian parents with mainstream Christian views are not suitable to be considered as potential foster parents".
"The true Christian is a warrior making his way through the regiments of the invisible enemy to his heavenly homeland." - St Herman of Alaska.
09-03-2011, 07:41 PM,
This report follows another recent instance in the west country where Christian owners of a hotel were convicted of unfair discrimination when they refused accommodation to a couple because it was contrary to their faith. The couple were either unmarried or single-sex, I cannot recall which. But either way it is another example of the deplorable lowering of the moral standards in this country in order to give credence to politically correct notions which are clearly contrary to Christian principles.

With the Christian community becoming more marginalised and smaller in numbers we can only try to make our position well known and, above all, pray that God will support us and bring about a change of heart in the authorities.
With love and prayers,
10-03-2011, 07:39 AM,
My first career after leaving University was working with disturbed children. I was therefore often involved in assessing foster parents. As a general principle, I would not consider people suitable as foster parents who express any strong prejudices which may negatively impact on the children who may be in their (temporary) care. Would we accept people as foster parents who proclaim that âJews are Christ-killersâ or âBlack people are less than humanâ? Disapproving of something â be it homosexual behaviour, unmarried mothers, or couples âliving in sinâ â is one thing. Promoting prejudice is another. I donât have sufficient knowledge of the case mentioned to evaluate it in detail. But I would hope that it involved more than simply holding that some behaviour is not acceptable to people holding certain religious beliefs. Children being placed in foster care are usually very fragile and vulnerable: they need unconditional love, not messages implying condemnation or rejection of anyone.

As for the bed and breakfast: while I am happy to allow businesses to exclude whoever they like, if we say that they can exclude one category (for example, same sex couples), why canât they put out signs such as used to be seen at some establishments in Great Britain many years ago: âNo Irish, No Blacks, No Dogsâ? Or âNo Christiansâ? Or âNo Jewsâ? The principle underlying anti-discrimination law is that public businesses (as opposed to private households) receive public benefits (for example, the ability to claim certain expenses as tax deductions). Why should those who are excluded by the businesses be required to pay taxes and rates to support the businesses who refuse to deal with them? I am quite happy for my local supermarket to refuse to serve Orthodox Priests. But I then want my council rates and income tax reduced because I would otherwise be paying to provide benefits to a business that refuses to deal with me.

In my private home I claim the right (which I can do under Australian equal opportunity law) to discriminate to my heartâs content. I can advertise for a âfemale, Oriental Orthodox, heterosexual, married, blonde, blue-eyed, Anglo-Celtic, able-bodied housekeeper between 25 and 30 years of ageâ. But my private employment of a housekeeper attracts no State support. I might note that my 76 year old, English, grey-haired, brown-eyed housekeeper (who is happily married) would take great exception to me publishing such an advertisement!

I have two concerns about these issues. First, why should Christians be promoting discrimination at all? Recall who was the first âevangelistâ in the Lordâs ministry. If you donât know the answer, Iâm happy to post it. And reflect on the question: âWho is my neighbour?â

Second, the churches continue to promote an image of being obsessed with sex. Are we equally eager to denounce and exclude hypocrites and liars and those who defraud widows and orphans? Those who ignore the plight of starving children? Men who, living in a wholly monogamous heterosexual marriage, regularly violently assault their wives? If so, where are the churches doing so? A quick reading of the Gospels provides a clear indication of our Lordâs moral priorities. Perhaps someone can provide a quick count of how often he referred to sexual sin as opposed to other forms of sin. It seems to me he much more often denounced religious hypocrisy than any other form of immorality.

Fr Gregory
11-03-2011, 01:36 PM,
Dear Father Gregory,

I cannot comment upon Daniel's story, but I quite understand the point you make in relation to the hotelier story. However, the business was advertised as a Christian establishment, not just 'an hotel', so surely it is not unreasonable to expect visitors to adhere to Christian principles. When they did not they were asked to leave.

Your observation of the Christian ideal of being non-judgemental is also understandable. But can you reconcile this with Jesus' activity in the temple? The temple was clearly a building consecrated to the worship of God, and this would be well understood by the population, yet they desecrated it by using it for trade. He reacted to this with anger and threw the traders out. Surely this is a parallel with the hotel case, and an example of justifiable judgementalism?
With love and prayers,
13-03-2011, 02:30 AM,
Assuming that âthe business was advertised as a Christian establishmentâ, I really have no idea what that means. For example, Orthodox? Roman Catholic? Anglican? Putting that aside, should the owners therefore be permitted to exclude Jews? Buddhists? Atheists? Should another such business be entitled to declare itself to be a âwhite establishmentâ and exclude people with black skins? If people wish to receive guests in their own home they can discriminate to whatever degree makes them happy. If they want to operate a public business they should not be able to do so.

There is nothing in any of the reports I have read to suggest that the would-be guests were excluded for unacceptable behaviour. They were excluded because of their sexuality not for sexual activity. Obviously, any business has a right to impose standards of behaviour on customers; discrimination against a person is different to enforcement of such standards.

And it was in relation to behaviour that the Lord threw the traders out of the Temple. He did not exclude them for being, say, left-handed, but for engaging in conduct that he regarded as wrong. You might, however, note that the Temple authorities did not regard such behaviour as wrong. Trade was an essential part of Temple worship â for example, the buying of lambs for sacrifice. The Temple could not have functioned without the income from such commerce, and it was not considered âdesecrationâ. It is most probable that the Lordâs action was directed not at the trade itself, but as dishonesty and exploitation in the trade (see, for example, Mark 12:40 and Luke 20:47). We often romantically imagine the Temple as a quiet house of prayer and contemplation: the Court of the Gentiles, where this event almost certainly took place, was a location specifically established for the purpose of purchasing sacrificial animals and a place where Jewish pilgrims could exchange their foreign coinage for the appropriate local currency.

Fr Gregory
29-03-2011, 03:19 PM,
ah, I was hoping this wouldn't come to a discussion about the B&B, as I consider the cases polar opposites.

The case of the hotelier that would not accept a openly homosexual couple to their establishment is awful. I do not see how someone who professes themself a Christian could show such ignorance. Do they not know about the good Samaritan? or the many tales of people inviting strangers and foreigners into their houses? Surely they feared some suspirious actions from these people from abroad? But in their grace they invited them in.

Surely to not offer a home to someone based on their lifestyle is to judge them, and not to give them credit based on their own merits. I know we cannot see homosexual acts as acceptable, but it does not mean we have the right to criticise. We need to remember that such distinguised Orthodox thinkers as Fr. Seraphim Rose struggled with this sin. So who are we to banish people from our establishments because they struggle with sins of their own.

As for the case of the foster parents. I have also read recently that this decision was based on them being asked a hypothetical question along the lines of "if the child asked if homosexuality was acceptable, what would you say?" and they answered by saying it is against God's way. based on this, they were considered unfit to be foster parents, regardless of their record of being great foster parents.

I wonder if they would ask the same to a Muslim or Orthodox Jewish family, knowing what their faith states, and if they would come to the same judgement. Maybe this case shows the lack of acceptence of "undiluted" Christian belief, and an expectance of Christians to be less rigid and steadfast, by the standards of Secular society.
"The true Christian is a warrior making his way through the regiments of the invisible enemy to his heavenly homeland." - St Herman of Alaska.

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Niemann Exits

The Orioles might have caught a break as Rays’ starter Jeff
Niemann just left the game after being struck in the right shoulder with a liner
from Miguel Tejada. He exited with one out in the second inning of Thursday’s finale.

The Rays anounced it was a
precautionary move and the right-handed Niemann is list as day-to-day with a contusion. Either way, Andy
Sonnanstine is in now instead. A former starter, Sonnanstine is a part of Tampa
Ba’s bullpen. He doesn’t have the same stuff as Niemann, but is pretty crafty.

Niemann threw 12 pitches on the night and retired the first four Orioles in order

Maybe you meant the title as some kind of a joke, but the gleeful “O’s force Rays to the pen” snark after Niemann is hit in the shoulder by a rocket comes off as really classless.

I’m sorry if I offended you. I forget how it’s hard to get across a joke on Twitter or a blog. Having covered the Rays and knowing Niemann personally, if I thought he was seriously injured I would never have made that crack. However, it hit him in the other shoulder and it looks to be more of a precautionary matter. Either way, I apologize and changed the title.

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October 25, 2004

Hope for Democracy in Iran (Emadeddin Baghi, October 25, 2004, Washington Post)

Many people in the West believe that the deadlock in Iran's domestic politics blocks any hope for societal reform. But from my viewpoint here in Iran, there is hope. Let me tell you why.

Society itself, not the government, creates change. And there are deep transformations occurring in Iran. Out of sight of much of the world, Iran is inching its way toward democracy.

The length of higher education in the country has been extended, absorbing the flow of job-seeking youths. This has hastened the transformation of thought and expectation in every corner of the country.

In military colleges, talk of human rights was, until very recently, totally unacceptable. Now courses on human rights have become part of the curriculum.

A 20 percent increase in the divorce rate is regrettable and worrisome, but it is also a sign that traditional marriage is changing as women gain equality. Other figures confirm this. Approximately 60 percent of university students are women, 12 percent of publishing house directors are women and 22 percent of the members of the Professional Association of Journalists are women.

In recent years some 8,000 nongovernmental organizations have been established throughout the country.

it would be helpful, post-election, for the President to start love-bombing the Iranian people--give a big speech noting that both sides have made mistakes, our coup, their hostage-taking, etc., but linking us to the democratic aspirations of the Iranian people as Reagan linked America to those of Eastern Europeans. Go over the mullahs heads.

Posted by Orrin Judd at October 25, 2004 11:52 PM

If the figures in Emadeddin Baghi's article are correct, combined with what I've read about Iran's business community, it would seem that Iran already has a modern society, and that the Iranian people are just waiting for modern politics to arrive.

They could use some modern building codes and methods, however, given their earthquake-prone region.

Posted by: Michael Herdegen at October 26, 2004 3:57 AM

Our coup was not a mistake. But if you feel it's important to pretend otherwise about it, then OK.

Posted by: h-man at October 26, 2004 6:45 AM

Delayed the inevitable for a wasted 30 years.

Posted by: oj at October 26, 2004 7:23 AM

In thirty years we might be expected to apologize for the Iraqi "coup" of 2003. Dr. Mossadeq chose to side with the communists and proceeded to steal British property. Iranians should apologize for that impertinence, but like I said, I'm a nice guy so if it will diffuse the tensions I'm willing to support an apology.

Posted by: h-man at October 26, 2004 8:36 AM

British property? It was Persia's oil. If the Brits couldn't defend it there was no reason for us to do so for them.

Posted by: oj at October 26, 2004 8:42 AM

"If the Brits couldn't defend it there was no reason for us to do so for them"

Tony Blair could have said 50 years later "if the yanks can't defend their office buildings, there's on reason for us to help them do so."

Oil in the ground, undiscovered, is worth less than oil discovered and being pumped out. The difference is what was stolen.

Posted by: h-man at October 26, 2004 10:07 AM

Yes, President Bush told Tony Blair not to send troops if it would hurt him at home.

Posted by: oj at October 26, 2004 11:57 AM

Color me skeptical: The Iranians claim to be Persians and not Arabs, but they seem to share the Arab perchant of talking big, swaggering big, but having submillimeter balls when it comes to actually taking back their freedoms and autonomy. Liberating Iraq was the right thing to do, but we certainly should have been more skeptical when we were told we would be welcomed with open arms. Made us too complacent and underestimated the post-war job.

Posted by: Ptah at October 26, 2004 2:49 PM

Tell it to the Shah.

Posted by: oj at October 26, 2004 3:51 PM