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Saturday, July 29, 2006

New or not new? That is the question

I've written about the decison to buy a new conversion or new construction unit versus a re-sale in the past.

Lately it seems all the entry level buyers have been choosing new conversions. There is a glut of these units for sure and you will pay a premium to be the first owner. So here is a few things that you need to think about if you go this route in Chicago...

Does the unit offer outdoor space, parking and in unit laundry? In unit laundry is almost a 99% sure thing for most new conversions on the North Side. But parking and outdoor space is rare. Many times you can find an older unit with parking and outdoor space for about the same price as a new conversion without these features. Otherwise, you will have to adjust down your needs for a new unit.

How close is the new conversion to the "L"? This is huge. These developments will sell.

Who is the developer? Will they be around to fix problems with the building?

Is the new development priced at the top of the market? It is very hard to negotiate price of a new development. This is for many good and legitimate reasons on the developers part. However, the flash of a brand new unit may not outweigh the fact you are buying at the top.
Re-sale units may be more negotiable and reasonable considering market conditions.

Entry level resale units can be boring! The finishes may be average and evryone has the same thing.. not only in your building, but in others too. You have the opportunity to customize a re-sale unit and benefit fromadding value when you sell.

Thursday, July 27, 2006

Albany Park Chamber of Commerce

I'll be attending an after work event for the Albany Park Chamber of Commerce this evening at Merles Coffee Shop located at the Brown Line Francisco stop.

It's important to participate in Chamber events due to their direct impact on the quality of life and property values of each neighborhood. For instance, Crain's mentioned that Albany Park did not explode due to lack of retail in a recent story about neigborhoods that "have not hit like advertised". But, there is quite a bit of retail in and around Albany Park that provides the essentials. However, hip and trendy places, stores, bars and restaurants that attract new residents from outside are few.

So, the Chamber addresses these and other concerns. As a member of the business community, and a person who has invested in and sold condos to clients in Albany Park, I am as concerned as anyone. I'll be asking questions of some of the longer standing business community members. And I hope to ad some insight, energy and participate in solutions to pressing matters.

Number one on my list is really cleaning up the neighborhood. I feel for too long, trash in the neighborhood has been a larger issue than in many "hot" areas. I refuse to accept that we should have a greater trash problem for any reason. Lawerence and Kedzie need a sweep and business owners should take responsibility for the front of their stores and their parking areas.

Albany Park is situated on the Brown Line, has awesome parks and is near terrific public and private universities. It is adjacent to Ravenswood Manor and Lincoln Square is close. It should be a winner and look like a winner. Events like tonight help with this progress.

Wednesday, July 26, 2006

The Jerk at Work?

Off topic and I am a bit of an elitist when it comes to the Redeye paper but... if you don't think there is a jerk at work then it must be you.

Tuesday, July 25, 2006

Developer Insanity?

Show of hands... how many of you have presented an offer to an agent close to list on an nearly sold out building... only to have the developer NEVER get back to you?
This just happened to my clients in a Hyde Park deal I brokered for them. Mind you, the selling agent and I had discussed the offer before hand, had a good relationship, and we were very close to list price with no contingencies.

My clients and I were told we should have a signed contract back over the weekend... then Monday came... Tuesday... Friday! I spoke with the agent every day and was assured by him the deal would get done. It was urgent due to the fact my clients are relocating and had only one month to find a home.

Well the developer never communicated to us... leaving his agent and I out to dry. I had a back up place lined up for my clients... we wrote on that condo over the weekend, still giving the other developer a chance. Even though it was a week later!

Long story short... you have to prepared for the unknown. My clients ended up with a new construction place nicer than the one they offered on first. And we got a great deal. I worked behind the scenes as soon as I did not get a clear response to our offer.

A case of developer insanity? Who can afford to walk away from a solid offer from qualified buyers?

State of the Market

The Chicago Tribune's Mary Umberger writes a sharp real estate column. But this week, she also featured a huge Real Estate section cover story that provided a sort of "state of the market" address.

The key points made for sellers?
-Price your unit right or plan on sitting for a long time. You must be at the tipping point (just under the last real comps sales) to sell fast.
-Do the basics... paint, clean, repair, de-clutter... put on a happy face.
-People are getting desparate and offering incentives because they are shocked their condo is not selling... even when we don't know if incentives work or not. And there is no market analysis that proves they do. This is a trump card I reserve to push a close deal over the top for my clients.

If these things are done, and Realtor like me can help assure that they are manuvered correctly, a strong marketing plan by your practioner should make it happen.

Of course, there is a ton of properties on the market... so be realistic. Buyers are taking their time and are not throwing offers around. But don't believe me... just put your place on the market over-priced.

Condo Board Issues: For Sale Signs

Okay, I've had one of those weeks (already) where I've had to go Buddhist to keep calm. Meditation, mantra, meditation... Understand, my week starts over the weekend and goes to the next weekend... my life is one long work week.

Anyway, an interesting and annoying issue came up. When listing a condo in a 37 unit building this season, I put up a for sale sign on a fence in front of the building. The rules and by-laws of the condo association state an owner may put up one sign of reasonable size etc, etc... This is very typical in Chicago. As the season went on, and my unit dragged in this market, several other signs were placed on the fence as well. This happends from time to time as well in Chicago.

Later, I received an email, then a phone call, from another real estate agent selling a unit in the building. She suggested we all take down the signs and put up a "multi property flyer" for people to take. I told her to take a hike (in so many words). What is this... a Realtor voluntarily taking down a for-sale sign? What is this world coming to? Besides, my client has not indicated I take down the sign... and I'd be crazy to do it anyway.

So, time went on. Suddenly, there was a notice this Sunday taped to the front door of the property. The property manager indicated that it was decided at an association meeting the signs looked tacky (okay, I'm offended already) and all must be taken down to be fair...FAIR? Is this kindergarten? However, my clients were not notified directly and I was the only one to leave my sign up.

So, I arrive this evening at the condo to do a showing... some unscrupulous character took my sign down. I have no idea where it is. Notice no exclamation marks in this statement... I'm taking very deep breaths to stay calm.

Here is the issue at hand; was the rule changed properly? Can the board vote to change this rule about sales signs? And if so, did they follow proper procedure? Is the rule part of the by-laws? If so, it would take a significant owner vote to change and amend the by-laws.

And who stole my sign? It's private property and my clients had the right to put it up. Of course, I've called the building management and hope to get an answer... but I have to whine a little here.

Clients! "Read your rules and by-laws". This is a direct order from your Realtor. When buying a condo you need to read certain areas of the condo rules and by-laws and make sure they are compatible with your lifestyle. Dog owner? Want to lease the place in two years? Are the decks and balconies common areas or totally your responsibility?

This is not meant to scare you and most subjects are clear and simple. However, these rules can come in handy... and you should know where to look and how to interpret them. I'll help with that during the transaction process and after if needed.

But for now, this remains an open issue. My clients need an answer if the rule was changed properly. I mean, others were able to leave their signs up for past sales. What about the future, when one of these board members is selling their place? Will they get to put a sign up?
And where the hell is my sign?!

Wednesday, July 19, 2006

Financing your home just got easier

Okay, not really. But, here is an idea that makes economic sense and has been around for a long time.

Borrow money from friends, family, whoever. Sounds like a seriously bad road to go down. But I'm talking about a real loan from private lenders... charging interest.

Last Sunday's Tribune Real Estate section was really excellent in general and ran a story about this "alternative borrowing". It is a strategy I have used when finding ways to borrow for investment property. Sure, you can burn some bridges with family and friends... but not if you pay the the monthly.

A paperclip for a house on craigslist

Many of you may have followed the story about the Canadian guy who placed an ad to barter a red paper clip for something that would eventually lead to a house. That eventuality would take many trades of various objects, services and values...and ultimately come true.

Well, the guy was successful and he has traded up to a home in a small tourist town of Kipling, Saskatchewan. You can view a synopsis of the journey at various stories or read from Kyle MacDonald's blog (the Canadian guy who pulled this off).

I like this story for many reasons; blogging, real estate, craigslist, ideas, integrity and principles, drive and personality.

Let me explain. Kyle was able to find a creative way to get a home. The whole thing caught my eye due to the goal... a house. I've made the statement before how obsessive I am about real estate in general, so I really wanted this guy to get the house. As a writer, he has been a little short on cash but used his ability to blog with wit and smarts and recognize a community that may help him out. As a blogger myself (albeit, a relatively new one) I understand how committed this community is to communicating with each other.

Kyle blogged and posted on craigslist (click my link to craigslist in the side bar). Again, he understands the power of this online community of sellers, buyers, traders, and seekers of all things local. But interesting enough, his local craigslist post ended up globalizing his quest. People found him, he found people.

Blogs and craigslist have become real tools in real estate. I believe you can know someone through their blog and get a good feeling about how they conduct business. It is a terrific way for a real estate practioner to pass on up to date information, stay current by commenting on the market and to connect with current and future clients.

I also post all my listings on craigslist. This may be "below" some Realtors, but I find it necessary to reach the most real estate consumers. Some properties are just simply posted there and in no other place. I want mine right next to those because I know people are looking.

And that's just it. You have to be where people are looking.

Kyle also showed alot of personality and integrity. The media really caught on to the story and he had many chances to "trade" for lucrative sponsored opportunities. But he did not. Kyle's goal was always to make trades with people who actually needed, wanted, or could use the item he was trading. He said what he was going to do and stuck to it. And he had a great time doing it.

So, Kyle got a house to move in to... a place to write his first novel. But I really liked his story for the many layers and lessons about how things can be accomplished. This is not my best writing and I'm a bit cliche here, but I think his story is a good one for entrepreneurs. Basically, that's what I am as a real estate agent. You have to create a new business plan with each client, be committed to the goal, get creative, come up with ideas, solutions and options, be flexible, have a personality capable of dealing with various complications and change... and do what you said you would do while having fun doing it.

We get it Kyle. We get it.

Friday, July 14, 2006

The Cost of Where You Live

There have been a couple of stories over the past couple weeks that have brought out the public policy/planning nerd in me.

John McCarron, a local expert on city planning type stuff, pointed out in a Tribune column that transportation expenses may wipe out savings on housing in far flung locations.

Of course, this is nothing new at the Chicago Real Estate Local blog. I've made the case a few times for choosing proximity and lifestyle over huge pre-fabricated homes.

McCarron is right to point out rising gas prices have but a black eye on the sprawl of developement. I'm all for larger density planse with city centers and excellent public transportation.

But McCarron takes some strange shots at developers and real estate agents:

"There are good economic reasons why it should. If young families did the math, they might discover that buying a bargain-priced split-level on the suburban fringe isn't such a bargain after all, what with automotive expenses. Better to buy closer in, near a Metra line or a bus route, within walking distance of schools and stores.

Trouble is, that kind of math rarely gets done. Who's going to bring it up? Not the developers, who've got a sure thing buying farmland by the acre and selling it by the foot. Not the real estate agents and mortgage brokers, who want their fat commissions. They don't mention how many hours a week you'll be driving once you buy that dream four-bedroom in Minooka, Oswego or Pingree Grove.The people who turn farms into front lawns have a vested interest in shielding people from the reality of what stuff really costs. They don't want the folks who already live in the Minookas and the Oswegos, or those about to move in, to total up the cost of all the roads, sewers and schools that soon will be needed.

It's all legal, of course, this good old American way of hiding the cost/benefit reality. It's a business in which the main economic benefits are realized upfront by a savvy few, while the bulk of the costs are distributed over time to the unaware many. Sure, you can technically become one of the few by buying the stock of a corporate home-builder. But that's the hard way. Better you should buy raw farmland and wait for the home-builders to come calling."

John, give me a break! His sweeping generalizations and total lack of faith in the consumer take away from the real discussion: We do have a choice.

And according to McCarron (who's work, writing and appearances on Chicago Tonight I enjoy by the way) the housing consumer is too stupid to realize they live way out on the dark side of the moon. How did they get there... knocked out and blindfolded, only to be dropped in the yard of their dream home without knowing how much gas or time it took to drive out there?

Anyway, Crain's followed up the story with a later release citing the Center for Neighborhood Technology, a nonprofit research and advocacy group for urban communities. In what they call the Affordability Index, CNT combines transportation cost and housing cost to reach a ratio of annual household income spent on these two categories. Chicago ranks number 2 in affordability with many suburburban location registering a very high percentage in transportation and housing costs.

Of course, we would have to delve deep into quality of neighborhoods, household income (they site averages of $20-70K), workplace etc, etc... to make sense of this for ourselves.

At any rate, those seeking to move anywhere to own a single family home may want to adjust their thinking. Is it really worth the drive?

Thursday, July 13, 2006

My Greatest Mistake

A series of recent contract offers has revealed a flaw in my operating style.

Show of hands... who out there has no idea what to do once you find a place to buy? Most people are clueless. I was (I know, I know... still am about most things). However, it's second nature to me now. Buying and selling homes is my life. I'm not talking about any get rich quick investing scheme or all those snappy HGTV real estate shows. Plainly, I get people from A to B in a home transaction. That's my niche.

So why do I forget this is the unknown world to most. Tunnel vision my friends. I think everyone is as obsessed with real estate as me. Maybe they are, considering a recent study cited by Realtor Magazine suggested that 32% of time spent surfing the NET at work is spent surfing real estate. More than personals/dating sites! Real estate trumps sex!

My greatest mistake, then, is assuming the client knows more than they do. I love to teach, but sometimes I fear I'll patronize my clients. Additionally, I'm aggressive and find properties that my clients want to see. They are into the shopping phase, they are not into the details at first.

But when it's offer time, look out. These are smart people... doctors, nurses, attorneys, engineers. But, put a real estate contract in front of them, sans attorneys, and they do a spit take (if you do not know what a spit take is, call me and I'll demonstrate). Put me in an operating room and tell me to go at it and I'd do a spit take too.

Most have no idea how to even offer on a place. What do you do? What do you ask for? Consider the purchase process for a moment:

* Initial Consultation (Screen/Interview Buyers Agents) * Mortgage Preapproval * View Prospective Homes * Identify a Property * Present Purchase Contract To Listing Agent * Initial Earnest Money ($1,000 Made Out To Listing Office) * Negotiate Offer (Counteroffer, Price, Terms, Close Date) * Acceptance Of Offer by Seller (Agreement) * Final Signatures And Initials On Original Contract * Contact, Fax Documents To Attorneys, Lenders, Etc. * Contingency Periods Begin (Mortgage, Home Sale--Ususally 30 Days) * Attorney Period Begins (Usually 5-10 Business Days From Acceptance) * Acquire Budget And By-Laws (Condominium) * Professional Home Inspection * Attorney Approval on Contract (5-10 Business Days After Acceptance) * Balance of Earnest Money Due to Listing Office (5-10%) * Appraisal (Lender) * Loan Committment * Communicate With All Parties * Acquire Homeowners Insurance Policy * Interview With Condo/Co-Op Board (Usually In Highrise Buildings) * Await Closing * Transfer Utilities & Change Of Address * Schedule Movers * Estimate Of Funds Needed At Closing (Good Faith From Lender including $7.50 per $1,000 City Transfer Stamp to be paid by Buyer) * Final Walk Through Or Punch List (New Construction) * Closing * Celebrate! You're A Home Owner!!

This stuff has to be maneuvered and coordinated, assured, written, clarified, double checked. It's putting together a puzzle man. Also, you want good people on your side. How much time are you willing to invest in all this?

So, my greatest mistake is not having a drink with all new clients and going over this list! Then, it's up to you to trust my managing of the transaction. You'll sleep better if you do.

Tuesday, July 11, 2006

The Pushy Listing Agent

Most consider the pushy Realtor to be the someone who wants you to buy everything... now! This can be your buyer's agent or the selling agent at a home sale center. I can be pushy... when a real deal comes on the market, the stars line up, the other agent is not a jerk... etc, etc... I will push a little on that place because I know it will sell quickly. Often it does. You'll know this moment of pushiness from me. I will tell you it's coming.

However, your LISTING agent is rarely considered pushy. That is because we walk a very sensitive line between upsetting the seller and losing a listing that we know we can sell. We compromise on price... but then push to make the client top dollar. The truth hurts, and the best Realtors dish it out on a regular basis. For this favor, the truth, many Realtors lose a listing and must live to sell another day.

I, on this day, resolve to be the pushy listing agent, dishing out the truth about market prices in a single bound. Sheilding myself from the backlash of clients and firing back with a laser beam of facts, market data, gut feeling and experience. It's the only way to go.

Sunday, July 09, 2006

News Flash... South Loop has a ton of Construction

I think I'm developing a reputation with my readers as the king of the understatement. Yes, the South Loop neighborhood has ALOT of construction. Don't take my word for it... just read the Chicago Tribune's expose on the South Loop from this Sunday's real estate section.

Stats of note:
"The South Loop outperformed other parts of downtown in 2005 new-construction residential sales and has increased its share of the downtown condo market to 44 percent, according to Appraisal Research Counselors, a Chicago firm that tracks residential sales."Huge activity is going on in the South Loop. It's the most active part of the city," said Gail Lissner, vice president of Appraisal Research. "The South Loop has had dramatic growth. In 2000, the area had 7,700 housing units. By the end of this year, it will have 13,600, almost double."

"Lissner said of the 6,200 units in the South Loop on the market now, two-thirds have been sold. "In the next couple of years, 6,100 more units are proposed."

My eye has been on the South Lopp for a few clients in the past year... from the under $300K with a parking spot for one and up to $400K for another.

It's seriously hard to believe how many high rise units that are proposed, under construction and completed (and the number of units already for sale). That is, until you think about the proximity to the central business and financial districts. And, that centralization can sprawl along the lakefront too I suppose. So far, it has been mainly residential development that has dominated the landscape, as pointed out in the Tribune article. Retail has had a tough time due to the density of people and their cars. It seems even though people are buying in the South Loop, they are taking their cars with them.

But that's boutique retail that has been slow to develop and thrive... it took awhile, but their is a ton of major retail stores that will now anchor the Roosevelt and Canal area. This should be plenty of stores and more for the new wave of South Loopers and welcome to the old wave. It's far enough off the lakefront as to not disturb the cityscape, but close enough to walk to (bring your folding cart and a backpack for your stuff on the way back).

Let's face it... the only thing that has slowed this gold mine by the lake front (and museums) is clean up of old industrial warehouses and displacement of the "have nots". Nothing exclusive to the South Loop, and every desirable location of the city seems to eventually have its day of gentrification vs. displacement and affordibility. I mean, look at Uptown... its still a 50/50 proposition there. Near the lake and transportation... some beautiful enclaves. But crime, elements of poverty and social ills still lace the landscape.

Saturday, July 08, 2006

Old Irving Park

Quick hit II...

I sent clients out today to Old Irving Park for new construction/new conversions near the Metra Union Pacific Northwest Line.

Great area if you need to commute to the burbs for work or just want a nice tree lined block to live on. BIG places for under $400K.

More on this later!

Furniture Sale this weekend at Z Gallerie

Quick hit... Z Gallerie on North Avenue is having a weekend long "scratch and dent sale". The prices there are reasonable and alot of my friends shop there (I haven't purchased there as of yet).

Started at 10AM today and 10AM tomorrow (call ahead).

Heather at Z Gallerie has me on their list to call for these sales... pretty cool. I try to meet as many furniture dealers as I can... they do the shopping for you. Big sale coming up and you'll be the first to know.

Thursday, July 06, 2006

The World is Flat

Postings have been a little skimpy lately... but guess what? I've been doing real estate stuff.

According to author/scholar/New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, the world is flat... that is the globe is synergy of commerce, competition and communication. It seems there is no longer far off lands around the globe, but just a new level playing field. Friedman asks the question; has this flattening come too fast for politcal systems, cultures and traditions to adjust?

This term, "the world is flat", has been used in a recent Tribune column by leading financial analysts to describe the global investment community... the global economy seems to be in lock step and there is less that diversification and hedging can protect us from. If you invest, you are along for the ride.

So a colleague the other day over holiday celebrations suggested that this real estate market is flat... "the world is flat" he said. This can mean many things to describe what is going on these days. Although desirable properties in good locations sell well when priced right, the flattening comes into place when a seller can no longer expect leaps and bounds of appreciation form year to year.

It also means that over zealous buyers and investors can not turn and "flip" their properties in a short time for large profit margins. Gloom and doom for some, normal to most.

But there is another interpretation of the flattening real estate market in Chicago. One that is more in step with Thomas Friedman's revolutionary term"the word is flat". To be a Realtor in Chicago for the coming ages, one has to know more neighborhoods, possess technology skills in marketing and responsiveness, and change their model of business to the consumer of information.

So, politcal systems may not deal with the flattening of the world, but can your Realtor deal with the revolutionary flattening of the Chicago Real estate market?

BTW, things have been crazy coming out of this last Independence Day long weekend. No flatness in my office!

Sunday, July 02, 2006

Mortgage: Forclosures up in several Chicago neighborhoods

Hope everyone had a teriffic Sunday... the weather turned out good and you're probably enjoying the long weekend... sadly, I've been catching up today (did manage a morning read of the paper and a run however).

So, while scanning the news, I caught this story by Crain's concerning rising forclosure rates around the City (you may have to register for the free trial to get this story). This was covered by the Tribune not too long ago, by ABC nationally, and has been on the radar screen of cautious "do-gooders" for quite some time.

Well, the do-gooders may have been right. It seems folks either did not understand the implications of complex and creative mortgages or just did not have the fiscal fortitude to hack it. Throw in your usual dose of unfortunate events and ... Whammo! Forclosure are up in some neighborhoods.

But before a national emergency is declared, there are a couple numbers to look at.
-Sub-prime mortgage foreclosures are down.
-Prime rate mortgage forclosures are up.
-The net increase of forclosures in Chicago is 1%.

This from the story:
"In Chicago, foreclosures on prime-rate mortgages — home loans for borrowers who qualify for market interest rates rather than the higher rates paid by those with spotty credit — increased 43% in 2005, the survey shows.

More alarmingly, the NTIC analysis found a 93% increase in foreclosures on prime-rate mortgages that had been issued less than two years before. Some 82% of those problem mortgages were ARMs or loans with scheduled payment increases, known as balloons."

So, it looks like the ARMs and baloons are having an affect. The ABC story (I believe it was on Nightline) featured those unscrupulous characters that buy forclosure homes at auction, or swoop up a home from a person in default... before the process hits forclosure.
Just when I thought this game was getting too crowded it seems there will be more homes available for purchase. (If you would like to buy a home this way, give me a call... it's a tough game but doable. Also, I know some folks who do purchases for investors).

ABC also stated that forclosures are down in historic terms, lower than the 1970s... the last big spike nationally. So, know your mortgage product (ARMs can be good, people), buy less house and move up as you build your finances over time.


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12-01-2007, 06:26 AM
There was a line drawing of a dick in the encyclopedia. Shirley and I looked it up under "Anatomy" and it showed one hanging off a male's body. We were studying that in eighth grade. There were pages of plastic layering the different systems down on the bones. Shirley was a grade ahead of me in school and my bestest, bestest friend. She had the most amazing ideas, and we always had plenty to do whenever she was around. Sometimes I felt like Shirley was so sophisticated, and I was just a dork.

Shirley started with the skeleton page, then set down the circulatory system, then the muscles, the nerves, and finally the skin. The penis lay there on the page, all lifeless and flat, and I couldn't for the life of me figure out how it was supposed to fill up with blood, expand till it was nice and firm, then go inside my cooter to make a baby.

At least that's what Shirley told me was s'posed to happen. I laid back in the bed with Shirley. We made sure the doors were closed and my step-brother Manny was out of the house playing ball down the road. She pulled down her panties, and we both giggled. I looked at her bare cooter.

"I'm gonna touch it, okay?" I said.

She giggled. "Okay, I'm ready."

"Where do you think the dick goes?" I asked her.

She spread her legs real wide. "Here," she said, and poked her finger inside the folds of skin.

"Where's the pee come out? Around here, right" I poked my finger about where I thought her pee came out.

"No, here, I think." Shirley redirected my finger.

"I wanna watch you pee." I said.

"I don't have to go right now."

"Well, I do." I jumped off the bed. "C'mon!"

She pulled her pants up and we went into the bathroom. "You can't giggle too loud," I said, "or Mama's gonna come in here to see what we're up to."

I pulled down my pants and sat on the toilet. Shirley crouched in front of me to watch. I spread my legs wider, but I just sat there. I couldn't pee with her right there watching.

"Hurry up!" she urged.

"I'm trying."

I was trying, but what if I misshot and sprayed her right in the face? She was my best friend. What was she going to think if I peed on her?

I closed my eyes so I could concentrate, and I felt something brush across my skin. Down there. "Hey!" I yelled, bolting backwards and almost fell sideways into the hole in the toilet seat.

Shirley pulled her hand away.

"What're you doing?"

"Just touching it."

"I'm trying to pee here!"

"I know."

"Well, I don't wanna pee on your hand."

We heard footprints coming down the hall towards the bathroom.

"Shhhh!" I glared at Shirley.

"Ladies." Mama said, "What are you doing?"

"Nothing, Mama." I said sweetly. Shirley held her hand covering her mouth, but I could still hear her giggle.

I gave her a look.

In my nicest I'm-not-doing-anything-wrong voice, I said, "Mama, it's too hot.. Is it okay if Shirley and I take a bath in cold water?"

Mama opened the door. She had that "what are you two up to" look on her face. Shirley stood up real fast. I squeezed my knees together and bent forward to get toilet paper.

"Well, don't make a mess. Keep all the water inside the tub."

"Can we use bubbles?"

"That's fine." She closed the door. "And keep all of the water inside the tub."

"We will," I assured her.

I looked at Shirley and hopped off the pot. "Okay, then. Let's take a bath. Last one in is a rotten egg!"

I rushed to turn on the water. I wanted it cool, but not too cold. Shirley was peeling off her clothes and tossing them on the floor behind me. I had my pants halfway off, so I kicked off my flip-flops and dropped my pants on top of them. I pulled off my shirt.

We scrambled into the tub about the same time.

"Where's the bubbles?"

I opened a bottle and poured a capful under the faucet. Mama said one capful was enough. I gave the bottle a little extra squirt for good measure. Then we got in the water and sat there naked, looking at each other, listening to the water run, waiting for the tub to fill. Shirley looked different than me naked. Her titties were kind of pointed where mine were boring. Her pussy was fleshy, where mine was flat. Neither of us looked as developed as other girls at our school. I felt frumpy and backward. I wondered what some of those other girls looked like undressed. For some reason, thinking about that made me feel funny inside.

"It's too cold," Shirley complained. "Let's warm it up."

"Okay, but not too hot."

Shirley grabbed the shower head. We had one of those adjustable nozzles. "Have you ever used this to spray your cooter?" She asked me.

I shook my head. Frankly I'd never thought of such a thing.

She stood on tip-toe to take the shower head away from the wall. I didn't even know it came off the wall!

"Don't break anything." I said.

"Don't worry. I've done this before."

"We better close the curtain. You heard what Mama said."

I pulled the orange and white shower curtain closed.

Shirley flipped the lever on the faucet to make the water shoot out of the shower head. "Make the water a little bit warmer."

I did. She tested it on her wrist. "Okay," she said, "open your legs."

I held my legs open, but the water had filled up almost to my knees, so the water from the shower head just sprayed on my legs.

"Move up and sit with your back against the wall. On the edge of the tub."

I got up and perched on the white porcelain.

"Spread your legs."

I opened my legs and Shirley directed the spray of water right on my cooter. The water was slightly warm. She twisted the dial on the shower head a little bit and the water pulsed against my pussy. Suddenly, it felt like my pussy was the most important thing on my body. It felt nasty!

I covered myself with my hand, blocking the spray. "God, Shirley. Where'd you learn that?"

"I watched my sister in the shower one time. She didn't know I was watching. She held the spray there, and kinda closed her eyes. I didn't know if she was washing herself or what."

Shirley's sister, Wendy, babysat sometimes. I tried to imagine her naked, holding this up to her cooter in the shower.

"Do it again." I told Shirley, moving my hand.

We took turns, sitting next to each other, the shower curtain closed, spraying each other's bare pussies.

The tub started to overflow with water, so we had to stop that game. We turned the water off. There weren't too many bubbles.

I wanted to see Shirley's cooter up close. It was a little puffy. More puffy and pinker than mine. Suddenly I felt all dirty and wicked.

"Can I touch you there?" I whispered.

"Go ahead."

I put my hand on the bald pussy and rubbed, not daring to venture inside the crack. Her pussy was so smooth and covered with fine blonde hairs.

"Where'd you say the dick goes?"

She stood up and leaned forward. She peered down past her belly button. "It goes right here." She inserted her forefinger inside where one of the folds opened up. There was an opening there, but it didn't look like much. I didn't remember feeling anything like that down there before. But then I didn't do much but wipe it off after peeing. I'd never really thought about it. I opened my legs. I poked my finger down where she was poking hers. Oh, it felt good!

"Wow!" I murmured.

Shirley sat down with her knees flat on the bottom of the tub and her knees wide and kept rubbing herself. "I like it right here," she said, rubbing a tiny button that was right out front. I watched her open her legs wider and flick her finger across the fold that was there.

I rubbed my own button. It felt like there were sparklers going off inside.

"I think I'm gonna pee." I said, after a minute.

"Go ahead."

I stood up to go sit on the toilet.

"No, silly, just pee right here," she said, "I wanna watch."

"That's sick!"

But Shirley held my legs and leaned in to look at my cooter. I felt her breath.
I felt so wicked. I wanted to do it...but... I couldn't just stand there and piss on my friend.

Could I?

"Do you really want me to do it right here?"

She put her finger inside of my crack and started rubbing that bump.

"I'm gonna pee." I whispered. "I'm really gonna."

She kept rubbing, watching my face.

Where did she come up with this stuff?

I felt the little slip of pee start to come out and once it started, there was nothing I could do to stop it. I watched the yellow stream come out and start to squirt everywhere. All over her hand, all down my thighs, into the bathwater.

Some of the bubbles sizzled and disappeared.

I couldn't believe how wonderful it felt. Just to stand up and pee like a boy, to not care where the pee went, to just let it spray down, all over the tub. Even to just pee on her hand. God.

"Rub me some more." I told her. I didn't need to pee anymore, but I kinda felt like I did. I felt like I wanted to pee some more. Rub me some more.

Shirley rubbed my cooter for a minute, then she stood in the tub and whispered in my ear. "Jennie, I wanna tell you something."

"You can't tell anyone, 'kay?"

"I won't."

"You promise?" She had a solemn look on her face.

"I promise."

"I mean it. You can't tell anyone. No matter what."

"I promise, Shirley. Cross my heart and hope to die."

She swallowed. What she wanted to tell me must be pretty important.
"What is it?" I urged. "It can't be that big a deal."

"One time a boy wanted to lick me there."

Omigod. I couldn't believe it. "Lick you? How? Whaddya mean?"

"He wanted to put his mouth on me and lick my cooter. Can you believe it?"

She had a dark, serious look on her face. I knew she was telling the truth.

"Did he do it?"

"Omigod, no. Of course not." She giggled, and put her hand down to cover herself. "But I think I would let you. Do you wanna try?"

"I don't know."

I suddenly felt very embarrassed and started to sink all the way underneath the water. Then I remembered I just peed there.

I got out of the tub and pulled the plug. There was a gurgle as the water started to spin down the drain.

"We better go."

I grabbed a towel and started to dry off. I made sure to cover my cooter.

Suddenly I didn't want her looking at me there anymore.

"Hey, you're not mad are you?" she said.

"Well, why aren't you talking?"

"Do you wanna go jump rope?" I asked her. Last time she was here, I almost skipped doubles. I thought maybe we could try that again. Or play Trouble. We both liked board games. "We could go play Trouble."

"Okay." She said, pulling her clothes on.

Truth is, I didn't know what to say. I didn't have a clue of what I was supposed to say. Shirley thought about letting me lick her down there.

Later that night, after Mama sent me to bed, I laid with my hand against that button she showed me, and I rubbed it a little, but not enough to feel too good, and I thought about what she'd said. To tell the truth, I couldn't get the thought out of my head. Some boy wanted to put his mouth down there? Whatever for?

12-01-2007, 08:14 AM
Thanks for the addition

12-01-2007, 09:19 AM
Really hot story thanks for bringing it here.

12-01-2007, 05:18 PM
Definately. Great story :)

12-05-2007, 01:31 PM
Wow! If that story is not about a real experience, then fyre is one great writer.

01-17-2008, 03:34 AM
Two weeks later I went over to Shirley's to spend the night. Her mom and dad were going out to see a movie, so her big sister, Wendy, the one who sprayed herself with water down there , was the only other person home. What that really meant was that she would disappear into her room and talk on the phone while we hung out in Shirley's room.

Shirley and I got into our pajamas and climbed into her bed with a big bag of potato chips. We started watching Lizzie McGuire. After awhile, Shirley scooted way under the covers and lifted her nightgown up. She wasn't wearing panties.

"Wanna play that rubbing game again?" she asked.

I edged down under the covers with her. Earlier, I had wondered if we would play that game again. Part of me was scared that she wouldn't want to play that way again and part of me was scared that she would. I wanted to look at her pussy again. I know I had one, but I couldn't really get a look at what it looked like. I wanted to study how it was put together. I wanted to do it while I could have the lights on. But then I was worried that someone was going to find out and we'd be in big trouble.

"Do me first," she begged.

I put my hand on her pussy and started to stroke the skin. I petted the skin below her belly button like I was petting the cat.

"Who was the boy?"

"What boy?"

"You know, the boy who wanted to... to... you know."

She was quiet. I stopped stroking her skin and just touched the fold where one lip slightly overlapped the other. The skin was so- so smooth. She opened her legs wider, and pulled the covers down, sitting up a bit so she could watch my fingers.

"Go inside the crack, Jennie." She whispered, desperate and breathless. "Rub on that little button. Put your finger inside."

I moved to get between her legs. I was kneeling, and bent forward and laid my belly on the bed so I could see. I spread the lips apart the way she had in the bathtub and studied the different folds of skin and that bulge of a button. I put out two fingers and stroked that bulge.

She laid back and looked at the ceiling. "Keep doing that," she said, quietly.

I wondered how many times she rubbed herself right there. I kept rubbing Shirley's pussy until a sticky wetness started leaking out.

"You're not peeing on me, are you?" I pulled my hand away and smelled the wetness.

"No," she giggled. "Keep rubbing there."

It smelled a little like pee, but not too much. I tasted my finger. The juice was salty, but sweet. Maybe it would be nice to put my mouth there.

I started to rub her some more. What if I put my mouth there?

Ever since that day in the bathtub, I played the rubbing game by myself at night and that one time when I took a bath in the afternoon. I even got the nozzle down from the wall and sprayed my cooter real good for a minute, but it felt kinda funny to do it all by myself. I liked doing it while Shirley was there, so she could spray me and I could spray her, and I could imagine how it felt like for her. I liked looking at her cooter, especially when she pinched the lips of her pussy and spread it real wide and I could see that strange little hole. Where the dick goes. I wanted to try pushing my finger inside.
I was right down there between her legs again and I couldn't resist. I licked my finger and started to slide it down towards that hole. I rubbed past that place where the pee comes out and she squirmed.

"Try sticking it inside. Where the dick goes."

I licked my finger again. It smelled pungent, like pickles and peach jelly, watered down. I pushed my finger towards that opening. That hole where the dick goes. I wanted to feel inside that hole.

My finger slipped in. It was a little slimy. Smooth. Inviting. Shirley pushed her hips forward against my hand, pushing the finger in a little deeper.

"Careful. I don't wanna scratch you."

"It doesn't hurt," Shirley said. "Do it some more."

I couldn't believe it. She started rocking her bottom so that my finger stroked in and out. The hole closed tight around my finger.

How big is a dick?

I thought about my finger being a little dick for Shirley and I wondered about her rocking back and forth. "Keep rubbing it, Jennie," she said. She put her own hand down over mine and guided my finger a little deeper. She pushed my hand. "Do it faster," she directed.

I kept stroking in and out. I could feel a nice ridge towards the back of the hole, but I liked the tight squeeze of the skin as my finger slurped in and out. She put her own hand down on her cooter and started rubbing that little bump. That one that she said she liked to rub. I watched her finger and it seemed like the bump got a little harder and stood a little taller as her finger swirled across it.

My face was right up next to her cooter and I could smell her. I don't know how to describe it. It was like she was getting hotter and moister and the closer I got, the better it smelled.

I wanted to put my mouth on her.

I decided to try it. I stuck out my tongue and leaned forward.

"Jennie, what are you doing?"

I pulled back, feeling clumsy and careless. I stopped moving my finger around in her hole.

"Nothing," I said.

Suddenly I felt stupid. What'd I have to do that for?

I sat up and snatched my hand away from her warm sweet pussy. I was a bad, bad nasty girl.

Shirley sat up and grabbed my hand. "No, keep rubbing me." She put her finger back on my bump and slid my hand so that my finger went inside her pussy hole.

I felt confused. Did she still want me to lick it? Or was that too weird?

I went back to the rubbing game. When a song played on the TV, I started stroking with the beat of the music.

"Yes, yes." she said. "That feels real good."

She started arching her back a little and closed her eyes. I liked watching her, then I closed my eyes and really concentrated on stroking that pussy hole the way she said she liked it. Suddenly, she bucked a little on the bed and I opened one eye. Her hair was kinda damp and sweaty.

"I like that!" she said. "You want me to do it to you?"

I smelled my hand. I tasted the wetness. It tasted good!

I felt funny smelling her cooter. I felt awkward not knowing how to ask her how it felt to rub inside that hole. "Your pussy smells good. I mean, when you get all wet like that." I put my hand out to her nose.

"I know," she said. "That's why I wasn't really sure what I wanted to do when that boy said he wanted to lick it."

"What boy?"

She got quiet.

"What boy?" I asked again.

"I don't want to tell you."

"Why not?"

"Because you know him."

"Omigod. No way." I knew the boy who wanted to lick Shirley's cooter? No way. Then I started thinking that maybe he had a pretty good idea. Who would tell Shirley that he wanted to lick her cooter? I couldn't believe I was even wondering about such a thing.

"It's Manny." She said flatly.

"No way!" I pushed her back on the bed. She fell back against the pillow. "No way!"

I pulled my knees together in front of me and smoothed my nightgown down over my legs. Manny, my step-brother. All of a sudden, I felt like an idiot. Foolish and naive. Clumsy and boyish. I clamped my legs together.

I couldn't believe it. How did he come up with such a thing? Why would he want to do that to her? Manny was almost my brother.

I reached for the bag of chips and the remote control. I turned the television a little louder and started crunching on salt and potatoes. I smacked my lips.

How come he didn't ask to do that to me? Would I let him if he did?

Shirley sat on the bed next to me without saying a word. The rubbing game was over. We sat there and both of us tried pretending it never happened.
Before too much longer, she took her pillow and knocked me on the head. I jumped up and grabbed my pillow and slammed it on her. I knew she was still my bestest, bestest friend. She had to be. She was the only one I knew who would let me touch her cooter.

After Shirley turned off the light, I laid there in the bed next to her and thought about how her pussy felt. I wondered if my hole was as deep as hers. I started to reach down to test it, but I didn't want to wake her up. Her lips were more swollen than mine and she seemed to like rubbing that bump a lot.

I tried rubbing mine, but it felt sharp when I did, a little like shocking myself with static electricity. It felt good, but intense. I wanted to try it some more. I waited in the dark, trying to go to sleep, trying not to think about that secret, special place between my legs that I wanted to feel some more. I wanted to rub on that bump and feel the smoothness on the outside of my bald cooter lips. But I didn't want Shirley to know that's what I wanted to do. So I lay there without moving, hoping I wouldn't wake her up.

That's when I got it in my head that I would make Manny show me his dick.
I wondered. Her hole was tight. How could a man stick a big thick dick inside? I mean even if it was as big as my daddy's thumb...well, it just seemed like that would fit tight. Real tight.

01-17-2008, 04:03 AM
I really like the way you wrote these first two parts Frye. Thanks for sharing this story. Did part three move to another category or are we waiting with much anticipation?

02-20-2008, 04:45 PM
Yes more please

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By Christopher Feddersen
Siem Reap
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Siem Reap, Cambodia is the home of Angkor Wat and the Angkor temple complex, perhaps mankind’s greatest and most awe-inspiring temples. Rising up between rice fields and amidst jungles, these emblems of Cambodia’s rich and glorious history could take weeks or months to experience fully. Located in northwestern Cambodia, this charming and rapidly growing city also offers visitors a look at modern Cambodian life as Siem Reap has become a bustling transportation hub for the country.

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Visiting the Angkor ruins is the primary focus of any first time visitor’s trip to Siem Reap. The complex is a sprawling area of dozens of temples that requires transportation to reach and to explore. Most visitors find it easiest to hire a local tuk tuk driver for the day, which combined with entrance fees are a bargain compared to other UNESCO World Heritage sites. Plan on a full day for the visit and be prepared to return to your hotel to rest and relax at midday when the sun and humidity can be brutally hot and the light for photos is equally harsh. In one day, you will only be able to see a portion of the temple complex so consider taking multiple days to see the temples that you’re most interested in.

The Angkor temples were built over hundreds of years beginning in the 9th century spanning the height of the Khmer Empire which encompassed not only present day Cambodia but also parts of Laos, Myanmar, Thailand and Vietnam. It was the political capital of this Hindu kingdom but also served as its spiritual center. The complex is as much a city as it is a collection of temples. Canals and reservoirs constructed in and around the temples operate today just as they did a thousand years ago. The architecture, for all of the influences it absorbed from its neighbors, is unique to the Khmer civilization and in no more obvious way than in the gargantuan scale of the buildings here.

Visitors are struck by the fact that the temples continue to be in operation and are visited by monks and pilgrims daily. This also means that visitors can enter and scale the temples provided they are doing so with proper care and respect. Given the size of these temples, most visitors come away from Siem Reap prizing the time that they spent navigating steep staircases or narrow passageways deep in the Angkor temples. Temples that are considered a ‘must see’ include Angkor Wat, Angkor Thom, Bayon Temple, Banteay Sri, Ta Prohm, Banteay Kdei and the Elephant Terrace.

Activities in Siem Reap that are popular in tandem with visiting the Angkor complex are balloon rides over Angkor Wat, elephant rides among the temples and taking advantage of the many spas that have cropped up to cater to dusty-footed tourists.

The Cambodia Landmine Museum in Siem Reap is interesting not only as a ghastly reminder of the extreme weaponry of the Khmer Rouge era, but of the story of the museum’s founding. The museum was begun by a former child soldier pressed into war by the Khmer Rouge who later became a de-miner for the UN and continued to remove mines on his own. It was only in 2007 that the museum has been given a proper building to house its chilling artifacts in.

Another peculiar characteristic of tourism in Cambodia has become visits to military shooting ranges. This activity comes with plenty of risk, but for gung-ho Rambo-type tourists it can prove irresistible to fire off an AK-47 or lob a live grenade. Ranges can be found around Siem Reap. Caution and safety are up to you and this is absolutely not for children.

Angkor National Museum, which holds the best collection of artifacts outside of the Angor Wat complex, are on display at the Angkor National Museum. The museum offers tourists video displays, narrations and detailed descriptions that should answer some of the questions you had exploring the complex on foot.

Kampong Phluk and Tonle Sap Lake are a short drive from Siem Reap city center. The community of Kampong Phluk is a stilted fishing village which captures the lifestyle of thousands of Cambodians who rely on the wondrous body of water, Tonle Sap. During the rainy season, Tonle Sap Lake swallows much of the country of Cambodia and teems with the Mekong’s most bizarre creatures including enormous fresh water stingrays and thousand-pound carp.

Wat Thmei is a dignified memorial to the victims of the Khmer Rouge. The Wat includes glass cases holding the remains of thousands of victims of the killing fields in the Siem Reap area, but the main feature of the Wat is its monks’ devotion to care for orphans.

Prek Toal Bird Sanctuary is visited by endangered birds from all around Asia. It is nestled on the shores of Tonle Sap Lake. Live a birders dream seeing more birds in a glance than you would see in a year at home. Exotic plants, other animals and the beautiful lake are also wonderful. A boat ride is part of the trip to the sanctuary which can usually be arranged through your hotel.

Visiting Siem Reap will impress you not only for the unforgettable experience of walking within its temples but also for witnessing Cambodia’s rebirth as a nation with energy and vitality and a warm friendliness toward visitors. To plan your visit to Siem Reap, Cambodia click the links above.
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Just 15 minutes from Siem Reap Airport, Le Meridien Angkor is a stunning example of modern luxuries amid ancient architectural marvels. While staying at the hotel, you will be in close proximity to the much celebrated Temples of Angkor Wat and flourishing jungles of unsurpassed beauty.  Check in time is 2 p.m. which allows you plenty of time to drop off your luggage and do some shopping or explore the capital city where colonial and Chinese-style architecture harmoniously co-exist.

When selecting your room, you will have the option of one king or two twin beds. All of the rooms provide modern conveniences, delightfully designed with and neutral colors splashed with jewel tones. Among the standard offerings you will find an in-room electronic safe, tea and coffee maker with refreshments, comfortable sofa and bathrobe and slippers. Smoke free rooms are available upon request and check out is 12 Noon.

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Fusion of traditional and contemporary  Ethiopia is a melting pot of cultures and traditions. The traditional dance scene in Ethiopia speaks of this fact laud and clear. Every dance movement carries with it a piece of the specific mindset of the community which created it. Nevertheless, Ethiopia’s traditional dance scene is also the least studied and investigated. Yet, in recent times, some innovative dance crews are coming up with a unique style which is also important to preserve traditional dances by fusing it with contemporary moves, explores Meheret-Selassie Mokonnen.

Nambi IV, The Present Past, is a dance piece choreographed by Ugandan dancer Lilian Maxmillian Nabaggala. The dance performed by her along with two other contemporary dancers takes the audience back to ancient times to reflect up on potent African queens.  Last week the three dancers graced Alliance Ethio-Françaises’ stage with royal outfits and noble moves.

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Vice-President of the European Commission Maroš Šefčovič,
Distinguished guests,
Fellow Members of Parliament,
Ladies and Gentlemen,

Let me cordially welcome you to the Lithuanian Parliament. I am happy and privileged to have an opportunity to address you.

Today, we begin the first event in the framework of the parliamentary dimension of the first Lithuanian Presidency of the Council of the EU – the Meeting of the Chairpersons of COSAC.

Taking this opportunity, I would like to sincerely congratulate the delegation of the Croatian Parliament which is participating in the Meeting of the Chairpersons of COSAC as a fully-fledged national Parliament of the EU for the first time. Welcome to the circle of friends and colleagues.

Both the Lithuanian Parliament and the whole Lithuania have been waiting for this moment very long. And finally, the moment has come 23 years later after the restoration of independence and after nine years of our membership of the EU.

Several years ago, in my capacity as Chair of the Seimas Committee on European Affairs, I was actively engaged in the meetings and activities of COSAC; therefore, I was looking forward to our meeting in the Lithuanian Parliament.

Distinguished Members of Parliaments, Ladies and Gentlemen,

The Seimas of the Republic of Lithuania is ready to make every effort to ensure that we jointly define guidelines for a better, stronger and more united common future in open parliamentary debates.

You, more than anybody else, realise how much work can and needs to be done by the national Parliaments of the EU and the European Parliament to achieve this.

We must join our coherent and persistent efforts to find ways to create more jobs, promote economic growth, ensure financial resistance, increase competitiveness in Europe, create the internal market for energy, services and digital economy, and restore public trust in the European project.
I had an opportunity to briefly discuss these relevant issues with Othmar Karas, Vice-President of the European Parliament, at our meeting several days ago. I believe we shared the same views.
The elections to the European Parliament will be held in May next year. Our activities and initiatives will have a direct influence on the choice of the European citizens on whether or not to go to the elections. This is our common responsibility.

This is the reason why the Seimas of the Republic of Lithuania, having taken the helm of the inter-parliamentary cooperation in the EU for the first time, chose an active and ambitious programme of the Presidency.

We will host nine parliamentary dimension events and 11 additional events related to the Presidency. Next year, we will host the Conference of Speakers of the EU Parliaments and the preparatory meeting of the Secretaries General.
This is an ambitious plan. But we believe it will be successful. It will enable us to show the advantages of EU membership here in Lithuania and to raise the profile of Lithuania around Europe and the world.

Among the events of the parliamentary dimension, let me underline the two that I believe are the most important. The first is the inter-parliamentary conference established under Article 13 of the Fiscal Compact. It will be held on 16-18 October 2013. For the sake of clarity, we propose to call it the Inter-Parliamentary Conference on Economic and Financial Governance of the European Union. The Seimas of the Republic of Lithuania is preparing for the inaugural meeting of this conference very seriously.

The second important meeting is the jubilee L COSAC Meeting to be held on 27–29 October 2013. You will discuss the agenda of this meeting in detail today.

The abovementioned meetings will be held in the historic Hall of the Act of the 11 March of the Seimas, where the restoration of the independent Lithuania and the liberation from the Soviet occupation was solemnly declared by the Supreme Council of the Republic of Lithuania which expressed the will of the nation on 11 March 1990.

In preparation for the Presidency events, together with the Lithuanian Institute of History, we have prepared an exhibition of unique historical documents witnessing long-standing ties between Lithuania and other European countries. The exhibition is available in the Exhibition Gallery of Building 1 of the Seimas. You can also find the original copy of the Act of 11 March 1990 among the exhibited items. I invite you to take the opportunity to visit the exhibition.

In conclusion, I hope that your discussions will be productive and you have a nice stay in Lithuania. We hope to see you in Vilnius again.

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We Enter In

We enter in, young and old, foolish and wise, short and tall, rich and poor.  Our voices are hushed, the excitement passing unimpeded in the silence that fills this place.  The expectation and longing can be felt, we've waited so long for this day to come.  The sweet sounds of the chimes counts down the moments at last, and then a breath, two breaths, and the first strains of a heavenly chorus are heard.  Who can resist joining in? The joy is infectious, contagious, the moment of victory is here at last!

Enter the King, radiant and resplendent, dressed in his finest garments.  Carried by the angels, accompanied by the heavenly host, He enters in and ascends His throne. The music stops as His great voice speaks, calling us to unity, to repent, to forgive.  Then angels pick up the hymn once again singing Glory to God in the Highest!  Now, a voice speaks, reminding us of all that God has done for us throughout all of history, reminding us of all the sacrifices and struggles that were made on our behalf so that we might join with Him this day.  We are blessed, and we know that we are blessed.  We are humbled and gratitude fills our hearts.

In our gratitude, we select our bridal gifts, each giving as we are able. We place these gifts before the throne.  We sing as we collect these gifts, singing of our gratitude, singing of our joy at the invitation to such a heavenly event.  We know that they are not even close to worthy of the One to whom they are given but we have nothing better to offer and it is our love for Him that makes the gifts acceptable.  There, at the foot of His table, the gifts are gathered.  Then, the Bride arrives. Her purity and beauty are unmatched.  Our excitement grows, for we know the Wedding Feast is not far from now. We sing to the King as the wedding feast is prepared and then we celebrate together this wondrous banquet where all are fed and all are given drink and there is perfect unity in this place.  The Bridegroom and Bride are at last united, joy is perfected, and peace settles like a dove over all that are present. When all have been fed, we are sent forth into the world to carry invitations to others who were not at the feast this day, to call them into unity with the God who loves them.

This is the Mass.  This is the beauty and the perfection of the Mass.  This is why I go, as often as I can.  For only in the Mass can I taste Heaven, even if it is only for a short time.  It is only in the Mass that I can receive my bridegroom, Christ Jesus, and enter into that perfect union for at least a little while.  Nowhere else offers me this. If my eyes do not see it, it is only because my sins have blinded me. If my ears do not hear it, it is only because my sins have deafened me.  However, my heart knows it, and my soul craves it. I, for my part, will be there.  Will you?

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With a knack for pleasing the crowd due to his toe tapping beats, Steve Hiroyuki Aoki is widely believed to be one of the top DJs in the United States. Known popularly by his stage name, Kid Millionaire, Steve Aoki is not only a brilliant record producer, but he is also a brilliant electro house musician. The singer's latest shows will surely be loaded with smashing music, a great atmosphere and lots of fun, so you better not miss them. Get a move on and get your Steve Aoki tickets only from us, as we give you value for your money!

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Steve Aoki was born on the 30th of November, 1977 in Miami, Florida, United States, although he spent most of his childhood in Newport Beach, California, going to the Newport Harbor High School and graduating from there in the year 1995. He then went to college in Santa Barbara, namely, in the University of California. He managed to graduate from there with two Bachelors degrees. While studying in university, Aoki began to experiment in the field of music, running concerts underground and creating do it yourself records.

Soon after Steve Aoki hit his twenties, he started his own recording company, which was titled Dim Mak Records and was launched in the year 1996. The name of his label was based on Bruce Lee, who had been his inspiration since he was a child. In the same time period, he worked with several bands, such as The Fire Next Time, Esperanza, This Machine Kills, with which he issued a record as well, and many more. His recording company worked with several artists as well, releasing music by electro house musicians like the Mystery Jets, Whitney, Scanners, Klaxons, Mustard Pimp, the Bloody Beetroots, MSTRKRFT and various more as well.

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On the 10th of November, 2009, Steve Aoki did a remix for a song titled Forever, by Drake. The track features Eminem, Lil Wayne, Kanye West along with Drake. It went on to become a massive hit, making it to the top of the charts in the Hype Machine in December of the same year. Over the years, Aoki has managed to gain a large amount of support from listeners through relentless touring and exciting performances. He has presented huge shows at venues all over the United States, in places such as the University of Michigan and numerous others as well.

Steve Aoki issued a track titled I'm in the House in March of the year 2010. This was a collaborative effort with, the popular singer of the Black Eyed Peas. The number became a huge success, charting at the twenty ninth place at the UK Singles Chart within seven days of its release. Aoki has won countless awards and honors for his work, including Best DJ of the Year, Best Mix Album of the Year, Best Party Rocker DJ and Best Set of the Season. His musical genres include electro house and electronic music.

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Steve Aoki Announces Kolony Tour

EDM producer and DJ Steve Aoki has announced the dates for his extensive North American tour in 2018. It is a promotional tour for his new music record Steve Aoki Presents Kolony. The trek includes a total of 21 dates, with the first show taking place in Washington DC on February 10. Among the notable cities on the itinerary are Los Angeles, Seattle, Dallas and San Francisco. Joining him on the road as special guest will be Desiigner.

Steve Aoki Presents Kolony is the fourth studio record by Steve Aoki. It was released through Liberator Music in July of 2017.

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